{{{ [06:18:48 PM] oh well I guess we can start to go over the bylaws [06:19:01 PM] where do you want to start [06:19:14 PM] n8k99 have you ever seen bylaws for any organization before? [06:19:23 PM] i have seen some [06:19:48 PM] IANAL [06:20:00 PM] cool at least you have familiarity... I have helped draft a few in the past.... [06:20:13 PM] Alright Lets start at the top.... [06:20:22 PM] Art I Sec 1 [06:20:34 PM] big problem there [06:20:41 PM] yeah ? [06:20:45 PM] kiding [06:20:53 PM] jeeze [06:21:15 PM] I had a thought that maybe Ubuntu should come first? [06:21:34 PM] or is it good the way it is? [06:21:58 PM] * n8k99 thinking [06:24:01 PM] how's that look? [06:24:30 PM] without the hyphen maybe?? [06:24:45 PM] ok [06:25:01 PM] OK lets look at sec 2 [06:25:13 PM] i think that one is fine [06:25:27 PM] I tried my best to pick the major duties of a LoCo... [06:25:43 PM] although to revist Sec 1- [06:25:59 PM] yeah what else [06:26:01 PM] maybe we should abbreviate NYLoCo [06:26:17 PM] thats goog [06:26:21 PM] *good [06:27:32 PM] remind as we go through to catch them [06:27:44 PM] just use find and replace [06:27:48 PM] under edit [06:28:50 PM] Oh well... Sec 2 now?? [06:30:03 PM] only a minor change removed 'the' from networking [06:30:59 PM] does marketing fit there??? or can qualify that under networking? [06:32:20 PM] maybe thats the encourage part ?? [06:33:12 PM] Well Sec 3 then? [06:33:43 PM] ok [06:34:22 PM] that one- um [06:34:31 PM] no idea what those really mean [06:35:07 PM] um 201a is the section of New York law that defines a Non-Profit.... [06:35:13 PM] the language seems fine to me, otherwise [06:35:45 PM] um 501c* is the section of the federal code that defines a Non Profit.... [06:36:02 PM] 501c3 is for schools and educational establishments.... [06:36:13 PM] consulted teh wife, sec 3 passes [06:36:27 PM] 501c4 is for community groups like Neighborhood groups [06:36:48 PM] 501c7 is for other groups of like minded individuals.... [06:36:50 PM] she no longer practices law [06:37:08 PM] at least that is what I have understood.... [06:37:27 PM] cool maybe you can have her give an opinion :) [06:37:44 PM] then Art II Sec 1 [06:37:44 PM] i will call her for items throughout [06:38:14 PM] * n8k99 wonders about enforcing (d) [06:38:43 PM] its a wide hoop but still [06:39:08 PM] well I think if you are in a LoCo as I understand it there should be something about that otherwise it would be like anyother group [06:39:28 PM] Yeah it may be a long shot... maybe different words? [06:39:56 PM] * n8k99 thinks [06:40:48 PM] it could hold i think [06:40:57 PM] it is part of defining our like mindedness [06:41:17 PM] Ok... satisfied with 1 then lets look at 2 [06:41:21 PM] yet allows for members who are only able to dual boot or use the Live CD [06:41:32 PM] thee is no sec 2 [06:41:47 PM] oh now there is [06:41:49 PM] there caught a typo [06:41:52 PM] :S [06:42:07 PM] this thing is crazy! [06:42:19 PM] what about it? [06:42:33 PM] the document changes while i'm reading it! ;-) [06:43:00 PM] I only changed the numbers [06:43:20 PM] i know [06:45:14 PM] no nono [06:45:41 PM] not that? [06:46:38 PM] no, if we use the ( Launchpad) after it, then we can use Launchpad instead of the url for teh rest of teh document [06:47:37 PM] is that to wordy now? [06:47:57 PM] no thats fine [06:48:16 PM] b and c understandable? [06:48:41 PM] yes [06:48:59 PM] cool 3 is next [06:49:28 PM] a standard clause... [06:50:43 PM] we'll have to define voting procedurees [06:50:52 PM] maybe elsewhere [06:50:55 PM] yeah they are in there [06:50:59 PM] ok [06:51:04 PM] no problems [06:51:11 PM] onto 4 [06:51:23 PM] a beast I crafted... [06:52:00 PM] a beaut [06:52:02 PM] i say [06:52:47 PM] I saw some say that no fees will be collected for events but costs will divied amongst the individuals.... I wanted something like that [06:52:57 PM] *bylaws [06:53:08 PM] yeah taht's a good way to phrase it [06:53:29 PM] cool... 5 then? [06:54:37 PM] although i think Launchpad should not be CamelCased [06:55:09 PM] yeah... looks better not cameled [06:55:30 PM] 5 good then ? [06:55:39 PM] yup [06:55:48 PM] Art III sec 1 then [06:56:07 PM] this one got messy on me [06:56:24 PM] to types of meetings with subtypes.... [06:56:49 PM] hence the inner title before each set [06:57:20 PM] unless the articles are seperated? [06:58:40 PM] yeah i see that [06:59:25 PM] seperate sections maybe? [07:00:02 PM] Seprerate aRticles [07:01:02 PM] we can cleanup as we continue later [07:03:12 PM] Ok questions with new Art III [07:04:41 PM] can teh quarterely meeting be decided upon the week before? [07:04:54 PM] I know I had quams with being very formal with a board of directors and instead chose the term Leader Board Leadership Board but not sure if it works completely [07:05:18 PM] that does teh job [07:05:26 PM] maybe it should be planned a month prior [07:05:48 PM] yes [07:06:25 PM] BrianG has joined [07:06:36 PM] do you think quarterly is too much for real life meeting? [07:06:40 PM] hey Brian [07:06:42 PM] akk [07:06:44 PM] here to help [07:06:45 PM] hi [07:07:31 PM] BrianG you owe us some money [07:07:40 PM] Brian we are on Article III feel free to read what has been done so far... [07:08:09 PM] ok. [07:08:12 PM] hehe [07:08:30 PM] send me the bill and i'll mail you the money [07:08:36 PM] ok [07:08:41 PM] n8k99 is quarterly to often? [07:08:58 PM] i thought we had discussed it being semiannually [07:09:21 PM] use that term or biannual ? [07:09:50 PM] semi if you mean every six-months [07:09:57 PM] biannual is every 2 yrs [07:10:11 PM] k I get that stuff mixed up.... [07:12:05 PM] Note I am not getting into how the state will be divied ;) [07:12:09 PM] that allows for us to hold it elsewhere in conjunction with a special event, if everyone agrees to it [07:12:41 PM] that sounds fine... [07:13:26 PM] I am leaving the regions for the Leadership to decide... :) [07:13:54 PM] Brian you caught up? [07:14:24 PM] yes [07:14:41 PM] like what you see so far? [07:14:52 PM] yeah [07:15:06 PM] good... [07:15:19 PM] we done with Art III sec 2 then? [07:15:35 PM] i am [07:15:46 PM] si [07:15:58 PM] sec 3 then? [07:16:38 PM] is the wiki referrenced later? [07:16:51 PM] isnot notification covered in the specific sections already? [07:17:12 PM] not where there are posted.... [07:17:19 PM] when they need to be is [07:17:25 PM] ah [07:18:06 PM] yeah it is mentioned in each section on Meetings I believe [07:18:07 PM] oh then we'll move sec 2 (d) into this one [07:18:44 PM] should add "In Person" to that [07:18:49 PM] does not work... irc is only a week before and in-person is a month before [07:19:26 PM] ? [07:20:16 PM] with singletons do they get a letter? [07:20:33 PM] singletons? [07:20:52 PM] Sec 1 now only has (a) no (b) (c) etc [07:21:00 PM] oh right [07:21:09 PM] no no letter [07:22:16 PM] looking better [07:22:57 PM] exactly [07:23:07 PM] sec 3 good then? [07:23:21 PM] si [07:23:30 PM] i like i like [07:23:32 PM] Sec 4 [07:24:22 PM] satisfied with that? [07:24:53 PM] * n8k99 wonders will the annual meeting also have the capacity for membership to attend via IRC? [07:25:30 PM] Specifically to vote on Art II Sec. 3 ? [07:25:46 PM] hmmmm.... the annaul may conincide with a In-Person [07:26:11 PM] generally it will be one of teh One Persons, i think is the aim [07:27:02 PM] yeah... I tried to craft something with walls that were not made of solid bricks ;) [07:27:18 PM] understood [07:27:33 PM] just trying to poke holes into those walls [07:27:36 PM] ;-0 [07:27:37 PM] Section 4 OK everyone? [07:27:42 PM] yes [07:27:44 PM] yes [07:28:05 PM] onto the Leadership Meetings [07:29:52 PM] Sec 1 good? [07:30:25 PM] ??? [07:30:29 PM] i think you should put #ubuntu-ny on Freenode [07:30:32 PM] back [07:31:03 PM] no, we already defined IRC Meeting as being #ubuntu-ny on Freenode [07:31:09 PM] ok [07:31:25 PM] * n8k99 has a wife who passed teh BAR in NY [07:31:53 PM] should meetings have the option? [07:32:25 PM] do in person meetings end up with minutes? [07:32:32 PM] the secretary is supposed to do the meetings [07:32:41 PM] er minutes [07:32:57 PM] sam010203 yharrow and i discussed this once [07:33:03 PM] should we make the leadership travel to meetings? [07:33:16 PM] that each event , there is a person who become the ad hoc reporter/secretary as you will [07:33:36 PM] and they post the minutes/reports on the wiki [07:33:42 PM] there is a secretary position defined.... [07:33:47 PM] yes i see that [07:34:45 PM] hmm do I have answer as to whether Leadership should expect to travel to their meetings? [07:35:19 PM] i'm not certain we can definitively determine that here and now [07:35:27 PM] agreed [07:35:51 PM] K... lets leave 1 as is... and move to 2 [07:35:54 PM] this is certainly an issue for our next meeting ( is that next week?) [07:36:02 PM] yeah.... [07:36:09 PM] Monday [07:36:27 PM] and BrianG would you be so cool as to mark that on the agena in the Wiki for next meeting? [07:36:37 PM] sure [07:36:42 PM] thanks a lot man [07:37:01 PM] I leave the month of the annual in question... cause I don't want to make the call myself [07:37:45 PM] i think that is the month that we started [07:38:05 PM] when was that? [07:38:12 PM] Feb I think [07:38:31 PM] yay traveling in crap weather [07:38:44 PM] or is it an excuse to go sking? :) [07:38:46 PM] woh hoo! [07:39:08 PM] yes, see that's why the meetings can take place out of state!!1 [07:39:14 PM] hmmm we could always use the month the bylaws are approved ;) [07:40:10 PM] March, that's when we started [07:40:31 PM] are rest of the sections in Art IV good? [07:40:44 PM] Feb was the Ubuncon [07:41:15 PM] My Month cool presents from everyone :) [07:41:41 PM] hmmm.... [07:41:49 PM] * n8k99 raises eyebrow [07:42:04 PM] what? [07:42:27 PM] brian? [07:42:37 PM] yes [07:42:50 PM] you satisfied with Art IV [07:42:52 PM] ? [07:42:54 PM] yes [07:43:03 PM] n8k99? [07:43:31 PM] all good [07:43:42 PM] Art V [07:44:00 PM] these are the special cases.... [07:44:24 PM] rougue member.... sudden opportunities.... [07:45:37 PM] any comments or suggestions??? [07:45:54 PM] should where be stated? [07:46:40 PM] ARticle V looks nice tome [07:46:48 PM] to me too [07:47:02 PM] good... then VI [07:47:05 PM] no i dont think where needs to be stated. [07:48:16 PM] * n8k99 thinks this should be Art III [07:48:36 PM] It can be moved [07:48:48 PM] your opion Brian [07:49:23 PM] agreed [07:50:21 PM] Moved [07:50:29 PM] * n8k99 eats dinner now [07:50:42 PM] brian still with us? [07:51:10 PM] barely ;) [07:51:56 PM] Now Art III 1 [07:52:01 PM] looks good? [07:52:16 PM] yes [07:52:27 PM] 2? [07:52:50 PM] what regions? [07:52:53 PM] I am setting out 9 regions at this point for New York [07:52:59 PM] 2b confuses me a little [07:53:35 PM] ok nvm [07:53:43 PM] Essentially it states there will a Leader per region for local communication purposes [07:53:43 PM] i understand it [07:53:54 PM] Can it be clearer [07:54:24 PM] no, it's clear. i just read it too fast [07:54:28 PM] that a bit better? [07:54:34 PM] or maybe it was in mid edit [07:54:36 PM] yes [07:54:49 PM] 2 good? [07:54:52 PM] yes [07:54:57 PM] 3 [07:55:04 PM] for 3 [07:55:07 PM] what about gifts? [07:55:28 PM] You think we should exclude them? [07:55:36 PM] i guess that dosen't matter really [07:56:12 PM] Reasonable expense may be mileage and lodging if they HAVE to attend [07:56:23 PM] yeah [07:56:36 PM] 4 then [07:56:41 PM] i guess 3 is fine by me [07:56:52 PM] 4 is ok [07:56:58 PM] 5 [07:57:16 PM] ok [07:58:11 PM] 6 [07:58:49 PM] the offices are pretty much boiler plate [07:59:11 PM] ok by me [07:59:28 PM] You understand why certain officers can hold only one office? [08:00:12 PM] checks and balances [08:00:13 PM] 7 then [08:00:16 PM] yeah [08:02:27 PM] 7 8 9 good? [08:02:33 PM] yup [08:02:55 PM] back to Art VII [08:03:57 PM] VP oversee commitee progress? [08:04:18 PM] liason with the Leadership? [08:04:32 PM] i dont understand :P [08:04:43 PM] (c) [08:04:59 PM] part of the VP duties is with commities [08:05:09 PM] oh ok [08:06:04 PM] make sense? [08:06:08 PM] yes [08:06:14 PM] VIII [08:07:04 PM] good? [08:07:07 PM] yup [08:07:11 PM] IX [08:07:20 PM] ok [08:07:52 PM] IX good ? [08:07:56 PM] yes [08:08:21 PM] cool... we're through the beast... anything I missed? [08:08:48 PM] not that i can tell, but i'm still pretty green [08:09:23 PM] OK.... then we are done till n8k99 gives his final looksee}}} {{{ [11:54:32 PM] currently reviewing the bylaws [11:54:50 PM] n8k99 was kind enough to help me connect to this [11:54:53 PM] :D [11:55:05 PM] that is good of him... [11:55:19 PM] How did the meeting go? [11:55:23 PM] I am still undecided as to the legal name for the organization [11:55:30 PM] I apologize for not being able to attend [11:55:31 PM] ok [11:55:46 PM] Can we just use Ubuntu NY Loco? [11:55:48 PM] great... transcript for the session is under the 503c project [11:56:03 PM] Needs to have no abreviations.... [11:56:14 PM] this is a legal document [11:56:37 PM] and I believe state needs to be there to make distinct that this is State and City [11:57:00 PM] I like that one [11:57:27 PM] so it would be Ubuntu New York State Local Community Team? [11:57:33 PM] or [11:57:44 PM] what n8k99 just did [11:58:02 PM] i see [11:58:09 PM] that works [11:58:27 PM] should it be of or for? [11:58:34 PM] i think that has more logical progression to it [11:58:49 PM] yes [11:58:54 PM] now that name is our legal name... we can DBA as a different name I believe [11:58:54 PM] i agree [11:59:05 PM] what is DBA? [11:59:12 PM] Doing Business As [11:59:18 PM] "Do Business As" [11:59:39 PM] n8k99 you would have to check with the wife on that though [11:59:49 PM] it a title, or license necessary to at least open a business banking account [11:59:53 PM] i will [12:00:31 AM] thats good yharrow [12:00:38 AM] um is this C++ syntax? [12:00:55 AM] :D [12:00:57 AM] thx [12:00:57 AM] the syntax is selectable....] [12:01:08 AM] edit... syntax [12:01:54 AM] yes. [12:02:02 AM] i made the wills shall, since its a legal document [12:02:02 AM] * n8k99 likes to tease [12:02:03 AM] :P [12:02:19 AM] fine [12:02:22 AM] did you find and replace? [12:02:30 AM] about to [12:02:35 AM] wanted to know what you thought [12:02:53 AM] edit find and replace [12:02:55 AM] it is a tense that has more bearing top the sentence [12:03:23 AM] done [12:03:35 AM] need to determine whether the board is the leadership, board of directors, Leaders Team or ... [12:03:50 AM] and stick to one... I waffled on that throughout [12:04:06 AM] i like Leadership [12:04:25 AM] we need to ensure it stays Leadership and Leaders then ;) [12:04:54 AM] where you at yharrow? [12:04:58 AM] right here [12:05:00 AM] thining [12:05:04 AM] thinking [12:05:12 AM] which article section .... [12:05:23 AM] art II [12:05:36 AM] ahhh... ask questions if you need [12:05:48 AM] wilkl do. Thanks : ) [12:06:14 AM] is it Art 2 Sec 1 d ? [12:07:01 AM] sec 3 will go back to sec 1 [12:07:50 AM] have a leaders code as well ;) [12:08:14 AM] not comofortable with Each member shall either use or support the Ubuntu Linux Operating System. [12:08:14 AM] ah i see then no need to do that thne [12:08:37 AM] how does using an OS effect eligibility [12:08:39 AM] lol [12:08:40 AM] Yeah but is that not the purpose of a LoCo [12:08:41 AM] and [12:08:44 AM] if you use and os [12:08:49 AM] but dont support it [12:08:52 AM] what good is it [12:09:12 AM] also [12:09:28 AM] i think that clause is what gives us Aa group of like-minded individuals [12:09:29 AM] by being the group the members are already supporting [12:09:36 AM] actually [12:09:36 AM] nm [12:09:39 AM] this is eligibility [12:09:46 AM] Is the purpose not for those who use and support Ubuntu... ? [12:10:02 AM] and thus coverage for 501c7 [12:10:04 AM] What is the purpose of a Loco [12:10:04 AM] if someone uses ubuntu but does not support ubuntu [12:10:12 AM] do we want him in th group? [12:10:34 AM] hopefully they will come to support it some day [12:11:06 AM] ah- i don't like that [12:11:27 AM] sexpress! [12:11:34 AM] LOL [12:11:42 AM] that is good... [12:11:48 AM] oh that's so much weaker than what was there [12:11:53 AM] lol [12:11:56 AM] i know [12:11:59 AM] hmmm [12:12:15 AM] ausimage had it right [12:12:32 AM] * n8k99 mumbles about tab not autocompleting names in here [12:12:43 AM] yeah... :( [12:12:54 AM] n8k99, if you use ubuntu but dont support it does that neccessarily mean you have our best interest inmind? [12:13:13 AM] Our goal is to make this an Ubuntu State [12:13:19 AM] hmm [12:13:28 AM] there will be plenty of chance to remove that case from the group [12:13:31 AM] whether you use or support you met that goal [12:14:05 AM] hows that? [12:14:05 AM] but the previous language included the kids who are totally into it but their parents or school does not allow them to do more than use the Live CD [12:14:16 AM] :) [12:14:35 AM] n8k99 is that ok? [12:14:45 AM] even more flexible now [12:14:51 AM] we will make a lawyer out of you yet [12:14:55 AM] cool :D [12:14:57 AM] nice word [12:15:01 AM] hows that verbage [12:15:08 AM] sweet [12:15:49 AM] sec 2 is cool then here? [12:16:03 AM] now you just need to stat hanging out with Luis Villa! [12:16:09 AM] whos he [12:16:11 AM] lol [12:16:26 AM] GNOME project guy, studying law at columbia now [12:16:46 AM] how do we prevent abuse of gobby [12:16:55 AM] like you are doing now! [12:16:57 AM] ;-) [12:17:09 AM] lmao [12:17:12 AM] sriously [12:17:13 AM] lol [12:17:19 AM] you really can't at this point I save a local copy when I am done... [12:17:26 AM] one person can come wipe it out [12:17:28 AM] and thats it [12:17:46 AM] yes, that is why you make a local copy when you are done. [12:17:54 AM] don't worry I save the doc to my hd [12:18:00 AM] im doing so now as well [12:18:48 AM] eidted art III sec 4 [12:19:13 AM] what's up with Art III Sec 4? [12:19:21 AM] is that superfluous? [12:19:25 AM] elected terms [12:19:31 AM] Just peace of mind [12:19:50 AM] k [12:20:00 AM] I see a few bylaws with similar wording.... [12:20:02 AM] huh? [12:20:28 AM] oh [12:20:38 AM] changed 2 year terms to 2 year elected terms [12:21:03 AM] thats fine.... my mind is going slightly fuzzy [12:21:29 AM] ok right- did not remember the previous- if you had pulled a term out of there or not [12:21:34 AM] yharrow I envision 9 regions [12:21:51 AM] yo whose yellow? [12:21:55 AM] there was already a kinda green [12:21:58 AM] im orange now [12:22:26 AM] orange yellow [12:22:27 AM] lol [12:22:37 AM] ubuntu brown :;) [12:22:41 AM] ick [12:22:43 AM] lol [12:23:07 AM] U bun tu brown does not sound very apettizing to me [12:23:12 AM] yharrow which month did this start? [12:23:15 AM] oh well [12:23:15 AM] march? [12:23:18 AM] hmm [12:23:23 AM] i have the date somewhere [12:23:25 AM] one sec [12:25:14 AM] waiting.... [12:25:37 AM] he must have got sucked into his desk :) [12:25:55 AM] fallen into a wormhole [12:26:05 AM] or the pile came crashing onto himself :) [12:26:16 AM] hehe [12:26:45 AM] maybe its written down on a tiny scrap of paper hidden beneath an aardvark [12:26:56 AM] n8k99 do think 9 is too few regions for new york? [12:27:43 AM] we can probably get away with it for now, but there needs to ba amechanism in place to change that [12:27:52 AM] later [12:27:58 AM] yeah amend the bylaws... :P [12:28:13 AM] well la dee da!~~ [12:28:29 AM] I just don't like large boards.... [12:28:38 AM] lmao [12:28:47 AM] no no you are right [12:28:58 AM] you survive ok yharrow? [12:29:24 AM] welcome back! [12:29:42 AM] ... to the land of the living :D [12:29:49 AM] hehe [12:31:42 AM] n8k99 has left [12:32:42 AM] lol [12:32:49 AM] where did n8 go [12:33:05 AM] not sure [12:33:14 AM] I am here... [12:36:52 AM] yharrow I thought it was februrary [12:37:12 AM] n8k99 that March [12:39:50 AM] BrianG has joined [12:42:03 AM] I was right YEAH [12:43:15 AM] the lauchpad account says 2-23-07 [12:56:36 AM] reading [12:57:34 AM] here I am to ... um ... um ... well you know ... heh ... heh ... [12:58:15 AM] you think 9 regions is suffiecient [12:58:31 AM] Yes. although I think we should experiment [12:58:37 AM] start off small [12:58:44 AM] There are right now 2 [12:58:49 AM] yeah that is why I wrote it that way [12:59:22 AM] sam can be president, me vice, and you secretary i gues [12:59:41 AM] that defeats the regional bit a little :S [12:59:49 AM] hm [12:59:51 AM] ya [12:59:55 AM] true [01:00:03 AM] someone from albany [01:00:35 AM] BrianG :) [01:00:42 AM] need something here on election [01:01:06 AM] its down under leadership meetings [01:01:18 AM] i'm not from albany :P [01:01:30 AM] saratoga [01:01:38 AM] near albany ?? [01:01:42 AM] yeah [01:01:48 AM] afterwe can put something by b of sec 4 and tell em to refer to it [01:03:25 AM] not bi? [01:03:36 AM] there is only one annuall meeting for elections... [01:03:39 AM] ok [01:03:41 AM] sorry [01:03:58 AM] hmm [01:04:06 AM] is the meeting specifically for elections? [01:04:34 AM] mostly but also policy direction [01:04:53 AM] is it considered oneo f the bianuual meetings? [01:04:57 AM] yeah [01:04:58 AM] one of* [01:05:03 AM] ok [01:05:05 AM] need to reword [01:05:26 AM] at the first bi-annual meeting? [01:05:29 AM] of the year [01:05:31 AM] or something [01:05:48 AM] Read Article V [01:06:38 AM] hows that? [01:06:42 AM] thats fine [01:06:47 AM] k [01:07:14 AM] better [01:07:28 AM] reelection means they might not be new [01:07:49 AM] superflous i think [01:08:42 AM] :D [01:08:54 AM] verbage [01:09:04 AM] yeah [01:10:40 AM] again I pulled a number out of the air... but that was when I was thinking quartetlu [01:10:45 AM] *quarterly [01:11:49 AM] Is that too harsh 2 absences? [01:12:16 AM] no [01:12:20 AM] it is harsh [01:12:20 AM] but [01:12:23 AM] good [01:12:25 AM] not unnecceessarily so [01:12:40 AM] Leaders must lead [01:12:43 AM] if they cannot [01:12:49 AM] it is survival of the ifttest [01:12:51 AM] :D [01:12:58 AM] that last one is for the bad apples [01:13:08 AM] ya [01:13:10 AM] like me [01:13:13 AM] cept im a pear [01:13:15 AM] lol [01:13:24 AM] actually, nm [01:13:27 AM] im not a fruit [01:13:28 AM] lol [01:14:13 AM] executive [01:14:36 AM] not really.... when there are nine [01:14:38 AM] ??? [01:15:44 AM] that better? [01:15:44 AM] scolling down [01:15:46 AM] ya [01:16:44 AM] Was not sure how is to word the positions... [01:16:56 AM] mostly boiler plate from other bylaws [01:17:09 AM] You are already acting as secretary :D [01:18:00 AM] yeah... I put in office sharing for everyone 'cept the pres... [01:18:01 AM] ithink for now there should be only 2 candidates for pres and vice pres cause of this whole dual leadership deal [01:18:19 AM] complications [01:18:19 AM] lol [01:18:46 AM] whoever does not win pres will win vp by default [01:18:54 AM] yeah... [01:19:04 AM] still in line with the bylaws [01:19:11 AM] since if there is only 1 candidate [01:19:19 AM] he/she wins by default [01:19:30 AM] besides putting up good bylaws protects the organization better than holding to it [01:19:37 AM] *tight [01:20:12 AM] should we put a clause about whent there is only one candidate or soemthing [01:20:43 AM] not really cause a member could put up a candidate at the meeting [01:20:49 AM] ok [01:20:51 AM] btw [01:20:58 AM] yeah [01:21:07 AM] we need to start creating an application for official memebership [01:21:10 AM] we are 2/3 there [01:22:04 AM] yeah... that is true [01:22:46 AM] Elections and Vacancies seem good to you? [01:24:03 AM] what if there are very few attendats [01:24:11 AM] attendants [01:24:14 AM] to the meeting [01:25:06 AM] whoever is at properly announced meeting is a quorom.... Article IV [01:25:53 AM] if only 3 bother to show for elections the elect the leaders ;) [01:26:00 AM] *they [01:26:18 AM] ok then : ) [01:26:33 AM] lers hope there are more though [01:26:53 AM] chagned it to election [01:26:58 AM] since the meeting is bi-annual [01:28:05 AM] oh I did leave the leaders meeting quarterly [01:29:39 AM] hmmm yharrow you know the election could be held on IRC too ?? [01:31:17 AM] how did you maek that red [01:31:20 AM] lol [01:31:30 AM] which? [01:31:41 AM] your text was red in chat [01:31:42 AM] nm [01:32:01 AM] so we can do the election in IRC then if not enough ppl show? [01:32:23 AM] well it could be IRC just to make it easier [01:32:48 AM] generally there is just one meeting and whoever is there is there [01:34:39 AM] where are you at in the doc?? [01:37:04 AM] yharrow? [01:40:49 AM] BrianG has left [01:42:58 AM] ya [01:43:00 AM] sorry [01:43:01 AM] k [01:43:50 AM] yup [01:44:05 AM] Leadership Meeting [01:44:08 AM] *s [01:44:10 AM] lets finish this article and continue next article a differnt time [01:44:16 AM] yeah [01:44:19 AM] i mean im still on sec 8 and 9 [01:44:24 AM] didnt get to iv yet [01:44:36 AM] fine 8 and 9 then [01:44:38 AM] also multi tasking here [01:44:39 AM] lol [01:44:43 AM] ok lets do this [01:45:15 AM] what does this mean organization's diverse membership [01:46:06 AM] thats speek for that the leaders will have africans, women, latinos etc if they are apart of our membership [01:47:21 AM] the leadership should reflect the membership [01:47:59 AM] did yharrow take diversity awareness training ?? [01:48:06 AM] :D [01:49:05 AM] nooo [01:49:06 AM] sorry [01:49:07 AM] :P [01:49:16 AM] he he [01:49:18 AM] i am so uneducated [01:49:19 AM] lol [01:49:28 AM] shame on me [01:49:45 AM] but [01:49:47 AM] im jewish [01:49:51 AM] so there one point for us [01:49:56 AM] theres* [01:49:57 AM] lol [01:50:17 AM] can nominate? [01:50:20 AM] :/ [01:50:23 AM] sounds iffy [01:50:24 AM] lol [01:50:37 AM] may nominate ? [01:50:44 AM] is eligible to [01:50:50 AM] good [01:52:41 AM] 8 better? [01:54:09 AM] yharrow? [01:55:40 AM] ok [01:55:41 AM] sorry [01:55:45 AM] multitasking [01:56:03 AM] just doing my best to focus you here... [01:56:03 AM] ok [01:56:06 AM] :D [01:56:12 AM] dealing with rellationship [01:56:15 AM] give me 5 mins [01:56:18 AM] ill be back [01:56:28 AM] k [02:03:54 AM] k [02:04:00 AM] 2 minutes longer than expected [02:04:01 AM] lol [02:04:10 AM] vacancies [02:04:53 AM] vacancies can be nominated? [02:05:06 AM] or ppl for to fill vacancies? [02:05:22 AM] We could change it to selected then [02:05:24 AM] we need a lawyer [02:05:25 AM] lol [02:05:57 AM] well the way it is worder [02:06:30 AM] says that the leadership submit their suggestions and the secretary collates them and then a meeting is called and one is chosen [02:07:53 AM] does that make sense? [02:08:11 AM] hmm [02:09:21 AM] it makes sense [02:09:31 AM] dont seee anything wrong with that section [02:09:42 AM] so [02:09:46 AM] cool then we are done tonight [02:09:48 AM] we will have a nominations meeting? [02:10:01 AM] yeah once the bylaws are approved [02:10:06 AM] cool : ) [02:10:24 AM] and we need to start planning for augus t :P [02:10:25 AM] I actually want to write something up to send to the list... to get more input [02:10:36 AM] ok [02:10:40 AM] sounds like a plan [02:10:49 AM] will ttyl :D thanks for taking your time to go over this with me [02:10:58 AM] yeah.... we'll have to see if I have the money to travel or not [02:11:13 AM] you are welcome... [02:11:16 AM] if you dont we will find a way to pay for you [02:11:19 AM] since you are the secretary [02:11:31 AM] for now anyways [02:11:32 AM] lol [02:11:35 AM] oh my too cool... [02:11:40 AM] acting secretary [02:11:41 AM] but i am sure you will be elected [02:11:45 AM] :P [02:11:46 AM] ok}}}