Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-us-nc [18:01:34] <JFo> chocolate ice [18:01:54] <JFo> o/ [18:02:15] <internalkernel> everyone knows where the agenda is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/Meeting/Agenda [18:02:26] <internalkernel> and I guess we need to do role again, right/ [18:02:29] <internalkernel> right? [18:02:34] <JFo> sure [18:02:36] <akgraner> yep so it's in the log [18:02:38] <JFo> for atendance [18:02:44] <_marx_> it helps w/mootbot [18:02:49] <akgraner> o/ [18:02:52] <JFo> o/ [18:02:56] <internalkernel> o/ [18:03:02] <zaivala> ? [18:03:25] <JFo> think of it as waving [18:03:31] * mhall119 is just observing [18:03:39] <zaivala> new here... role? you mean roll call? [18:03:49] <internalkernel> yes, like saying hi... [18:03:49] <_marx_> zaivala: yes [18:03:52] <Bill> o/ [18:03:54] <zaivala> k [18:03:57] <zaivala> well hi [18:04:00] <JFo> heh [18:04:28] <internalkernel> bear with me, since this is my first time playing this chair thing... feel free to correct me as needed. [18:05:03] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Advocacy - month in review [18:05:09] <zaivala> what does /o mean? [18:05:19] <zaivala> k i'll silence [18:05:37] <JFo> so what happened this month in advocacy [18:05:45] <JFo> anyone have a great story? [18:05:50] <_marx_> zaivala: irc speak for a wave [18:05:56] <zaivala> k [18:06:02] <mhall119> or a hand raised [18:06:03] <internalkernel> _marx_: posted this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/TeamReports/09/December [18:06:08] <mhall119> o = head [18:06:12] <internalkernel> which details what we did for the month [18:06:17] <mhall119> / = arm raised [18:06:19] <internalkernel> mainly ubuntu hour... [18:06:24] <JFo> ah right congrats _marx_ [18:06:32] <zaivala> <--n00b [18:06:34] <JFo> that was a fun time [18:06:36] <JFo> :) [18:06:40] <internalkernel> in winston-salem, we get street cred for driving so far though! [18:06:43] <_marx_> i've got a thinkpad a31 working install for a suse user but it has problems connecting at her house [18:06:48] <JFo> internalkernel, true :) [18:07:11] <tatertot> o/ [18:07:14] <JFo> this her first time with Ubuntu _marx_ ? [18:07:37] <_marx_> JFo: yes, not first time on linux though [18:07:41] <JFo> ah cool [18:07:43] <internalkernel> Does that presentation at Firestorm in Dec count as adovcacy? [18:07:46] <JFo> hope she enjoys it [18:07:52] <JFo> internalkernel, sure [18:07:55] <internalkernel> it was technically a LUG... [18:08:04] <_marx_> hi John_n_NC [18:08:08] <JFo> well, you were running Ubuntu, yes? [18:08:12] <internalkernel> true true [18:08:18] <JFo> there you go :) [18:08:27] <internalkernel> then I'll add that to the team reports wiki after the meeting... [18:08:31] <JFo> heh [18:08:36] <JFo> sounds good [18:08:38] <zaivala> internalkernel, I'm the guy protesting Firestorm meeting is too early [18:08:42] <_marx_> internalkernel: for Jan '10 [18:08:50] <JFo> zaivala, when are you available? [18:09:02] <JFo> we are usually there till 4PM or so [18:09:13] <internalkernel> have been at the last few meetings... [18:09:16] <internalkernel> 12pm to 4pm [18:09:27] <internalkernel> Nov. Dec. and Jan 9th is planned [18:09:27] <zaivala> I could make 2pm with difficulty, 3 pm easily, but noon is no go [18:09:37] <JFo> ah, there you go, we are there then [18:09:40] <akgraner> Jan 9th I thought was just an Ubuntu Hour [18:09:43] <JFo> just drop in [18:09:59] <internalkernel> it is... [18:10:07] <zaivala> ah, didn't know it ran that long [18:10:17] <internalkernel> but, I will probably be there longer... [18:10:19] <JFo> no problem [18:10:24] <JFo> I can't be :) [18:10:29] <JFo> not this Saturday [18:10:33] <tatertot> I made some wallpapers for gnome look and made an ubuntu hour logo and put it on http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org ( ordered a bunch of cd's from a custom shop and am figuring out where to put these currently ) [18:10:36] <internalkernel> I am meeting someone I recently met, who happened to be running Ubu [18:10:43] <dick> I can [18:10:49] <internalkernel> tatertot: sweet! [18:10:56] <dick> nope, I can't be there this saturday, drat [18:11:00] <tatertot> does that count as advocacy [18:11:02] <JFo> I mean I'll be there, but I can't stay long [18:11:09] <JFo> tatertot, sure does [18:11:12] <internalkernel> tatertot: yes absolutely [18:11:36] <internalkernel> tatertot: would you like to update the team reports wiki with that as well? [18:11:38] <tatertot> internalkernel updated the forum with how to get in touch with the channel too [18:11:45] <JFo> any other items of advocacy anyone wants to share? [18:11:48] <JFo> cool tatertot :) [18:11:50] <akgraner> tatertot, yep [18:11:58] <tatertot> i added them to the completed projects page [18:12:01] <tatertot> is that the same thing [18:12:15] <akgraner> We can add it to January [18:12:15] <internalkernel> close enough, we should probably link one to the other anyways [18:12:30] <JFo> yeah [18:12:34] <akgraner> the team reports need to go in by the 22 [18:12:46] <internalkernel> good, so last call for anymore advocacy... [18:12:54] <akgraner> yes [18:13:01] <_marx_> akgraner: last sunday each month so date varies [18:13:29] <JFo> I think we are good to move on internalkernel [18:13:32] <akgraner> no [18:13:34] <JFo> :) [18:13:39] <akgraner> :-) [18:13:44] <akgraner> sorry hit enter to soon [18:13:45] <internalkernel> we should cover upcoming advocacy first... [18:13:51] <akgraner> so upcoming [18:13:52] * _marx_ was thinking monthly reports [18:14:04] <akgraner> SCaLE 8x, SELF, ALF, OLF [18:14:08] <JFo> yeah [18:14:18] <JFo> we have dates for any of those yet? [18:14:29] <JFo> or did we already cover that in an earlier meeting? [18:14:36] <JFo> I vaguely recall... [18:14:40] <_marx_> ongoing Hour in Winston, this will be every month though [18:14:57] * JFo can almost hear akgraner typing [18:15:01] <JFo> :P [18:15:11] <internalkernel> I have a presentation in Hendersonville with Bob who was at the last few LUGs... regarding home network security (basic principles). I will of course advocate the inherint safety of Ubuntu [18:15:33] <JFo> cool [18:15:34] <akgraner> ok just looked up team reports has to be ready by the first Sunday of the following month [18:15:37] * mhall119 will be at SCaLE 8x [18:15:42] <internalkernel> and perhaps the next one will be on "Making the tranistion to Ubuntu" :D [18:15:54] <JFo> you recording those internalkernel? [18:16:00] <JFo> or just chatting? [18:16:01] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting [18:16:03] <dick> internalkernal: is that presentation an open one? [18:16:08] <internalkernel> recording? [18:16:12] <JFo> heh [18:16:16] <internalkernel> yes as far as I know it is... [18:16:40] <dick> internalkernal: Time and place? [18:16:41] <_marx_> internalkernel: public place or his home? [18:16:47] <JFo> you know... videotaping... without the tape ;) [18:17:06] * JFo stops [18:17:22] <internalkernel> public place, it's a general computer user's group - many are windows users... and regular meeting. I'll post time and place when I know [18:17:31] <JFo> cool [18:17:34] <dick> tnx [18:17:48] <_marx_> good, i'll forward to some folks i know in h'ville [18:17:59] <internalkernel> that would be cool... [18:18:03] <internalkernel> thanks [18:18:11] <internalkernel> moving on? anything else? [18:18:12] <akgraner> so we should def get in touch with the South East LoCo teams for a booth at SELF [18:18:20] <JFo> yeah [18:18:22] <akgraner> since it will be in South Carolina [18:18:26] <_marx_> +1 [18:18:31] <internalkernel> good point... +1 also [18:18:51] <JFo> at a minimum, GA, NC, SC, FL [18:19:00] <internalkernel> that should go on the agenda [18:19:02] <akgraner> and TN [18:19:06] <JFo> yep [18:19:10] <JFo> maybe VA [18:19:21] <_marx_> oh, Foothills Brewery is booked for 10.04 release party [18:19:27] <JFo> excellent [18:19:54] <_marx_> that's upcoming anyway [18:20:03] <internalkernel> who would like that action item? [18:20:13] <akgraner> awesome - a lot of opportunity this year [18:20:31] <internalkernel> bueller? bueller... [18:20:47] <akgraner> I'll add the SELF stuff [18:21:04] <internalkernel> lol, I was about to default myself to it - thank you amber [18:21:07] <JFo> you know almost all the parties anyway :) [18:21:25] <mhall119> are there dates for SELF 2010 yet? [18:21:30] <internalkernel> [ACTION] Amber to organize the agenda for the booth at SELF [18:21:32] <akgraner> yes [18:21:38] <tatertot> june 12-13 [18:21:53] <akgraner> mhall119, http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/ [18:21:58] <mhall119> thanks [18:22:19] <akgraner> also sponsorship has opened up as well and call for Papers [18:22:32] <internalkernel> yes, call for papers is still on my to do list... [18:23:04] <JFo> sponsorship for what akgraner [18:23:05] <akgraner> so if anyone on the team would like to do something for the Ubucon let me know [18:23:07] <internalkernel> _marx_: you are participating in ubuntu user days right? [18:23:10] <internalkernel> that [18:23:11] <akgraner> SELF [18:23:13] <JFo> akgraner, done [18:23:15] <internalkernel> 's more advocacy [18:23:22] <akgraner> so SELF will have an Ubucon [18:23:25] <JFo> yup [18:23:42] <JFo> :) [18:23:42] <akgraner> and we are working on the agenda now [18:23:44] <_marx_> yes [18:23:45] <internalkernel> ok, we need to keep moving... [18:24:05] <internalkernel> last chance for advocacy... [18:24:12] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Contacts in major metropolitan areas [18:24:23] <internalkernel> so, this is a little confusing to me... [18:24:24] <JFo> not sure what that means [18:24:27] <internalkernel> lol [18:24:27] <JFo> me too [18:24:29] <JFo> :) [18:24:47] <JFo> I left it in, but I didn't have time to ask about it [18:24:51] <_marx_> my thought here was having someone listed on the team wiki page for each major metro area [18:24:57] <JFo> ah, I see [18:25:01] <_marx_> or persons [18:25:25] <_marx_> willing to help a new user f2f [18:25:36] <internalkernel> I like that idea, however all contact is going to funnel through mailing list / irc anyways [18:25:53] <internalkernel> but, it would be nice to see the people that are active in each area... since that is usually the first question [18:26:17] <internalkernel> so _marx_ would you like that as an action item? [18:26:22] <akgraner> I think we have Charlotte, Winston, Asheville and Raleigh [18:26:37] <internalkernel> to coordinate creating that portion of the wiki... or does some one else want it? [18:27:01] * _marx_ can do that wiki work but need to confirm contacts [18:27:14] <internalkernel> I think we can post to the mailing list and figure out who is in what area and maybe link to their ubuntu/wiki page [18:27:16] <akgraner> on and Fayetteville [18:27:24] <JFo> and Wilmington [18:27:35] <JFo> good call internalkernel [18:27:48] <akgraner> _marx_, yep confirmation on those contacts [18:27:53] <akgraner> good idea [18:27:57] <internalkernel> so action agreed? [18:28:02] <_marx_> yeah [18:28:03] <JFo> yep [18:28:17] <internalkernel> [ACTION] marx to coordinate contacts in major metro areas and update wiki [18:28:40] <internalkernel> Next item? anything else? [18:29:04] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Status of LoCo Approval - current status & action items? [18:29:50] <internalkernel> anything new here? [18:30:03] <internalkernel> we have the wiki which is a good indicator of our involvement... [18:30:11] <_marx_> team reports are part of that and i think i have it all set up [18:30:27] <_marx_> except for making a new report each month [18:30:34] <internalkernel> another point I would add is individual involvement - participation in the community from our members [18:30:48] <_marx_> if the report page is created it will be picked up [18:30:49] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Becoming%20an%20Approved%20Team [18:31:10] <John_n_NC> Participate how? [18:31:12] <internalkernel> well, I think making a new report each month should be addressed under organizing governance [18:31:27] <_marx_> k [18:31:30] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto [18:31:44] <internalkernel> well, everyone has the oppurtunity to get involved in the ubuntu community through various teams and projects [18:31:59] <internalkernel> For instance, I decided I wanted to become an ubuntu member... [18:32:12] <internalkernel> so I find projects to get involved with, and ways to advocate [18:32:14] <JFo> we also need more Ubuntu members [18:32:25] <internalkernel> I think it would be helpful if we had more people in our loco doing similar things [18:32:29] <akgraner> the how to for Team reports in on the link I post earlier [18:33:15] <akgraner> here is the guidelines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting [18:33:24] <internalkernel> like _marx_ I think you are a good candidate for membership... [18:33:27] <tatertot> what are similar things internalkernel [18:33:35] <tatertot> what would be good projects to get involved with [18:33:46] <internalkernel> bug squad for instance... [18:34:20] <JFo> 5-a-day [18:34:24] <internalkernel> I came across the: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual [18:34:30] <akgraner> http://www.ubuntu.com/community [18:34:32] <internalkernel> tatertot: they need help with artwork and things [18:34:49] <akgraner> the link I posted are community areas where you can get involved in [18:34:53] <tatertot> i actually spent most of the weekend making a theme [18:35:01] <internalkernel> perfect - thank you akgraner [18:35:02] <tatertot> for lucid, trying to finalize it [18:35:12] <akgraner> also the You-In-Ubuntu Blog is dedicated to points of entry into the community as well [18:35:21] <internalkernel> I think if we can show individual participation as well as LoCo participation that will help [18:35:36] <akgraner> internalkernel, yes it does [18:36:13] <internalkernel> we all have great resources here in IRC to help people get started [18:36:13] <akgraner> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [18:36:30] <akgraner> I am working on a welcome letter [18:36:34] <internalkernel> so how can we coordinate this as an action item? [18:36:41] <internalkernel> welcome letter/ [18:36:41] <akgraner> to welcome new members when they join the team [18:36:49] <internalkernel> great! [18:36:52] <akgraner> just have to verfiy all the links [18:36:54] <akgraner> :-) [18:37:15] <JFo> that should have been in advocacy too akgraner :P [18:37:20] <JFo> heh [18:37:22] <internalkernel> totally... [18:37:26] <akgraner> then I will get it out to both the mailing list (one time) and then it will go to the new people as they join [18:37:34] <_marx_> just sayin'... [18:37:40] <tatertot> akgraner, offtopic , but are you going to send those wiki links you had for me? [18:37:55] <internalkernel> how can this become an action item? creating a wiki page to link off the main page, regarding how to participate - and encourage it there? [18:38:05] <akgraner> yep [18:38:20] <_marx_> a join page perhaps [18:38:39] <JFo> we could update the text regularly to indicate projects we have going on [18:38:40] <internalkernel> right, that has akgraner welcome letter and links on how to participate [18:38:44] <JFo> to make it relevant [18:38:47] <JFo> and timely [18:38:49] <internalkernel> ohhh good I like that [18:39:02] <internalkernel> and involve members to update it with their projects [18:39:08] <JFo> get people involved faster [18:39:09] <JFo> yeah [18:39:15] <akgraner> sure.. [18:39:31] <internalkernel> [IDEA] create a wiki page to help people get involved in the greater ubuntu community [18:39:47] <internalkernel> any takers? [18:39:57] <internalkernel> action item, just hanging out there... [18:40:00] <tatertot> < no clue to how to wiki [18:40:01] <_marx_> well how to get involved w/NC team faster [18:40:03] <internalkernel> waiting for some one... [18:40:25] <John_n_NC> no clue how to get involved here [18:40:32] <akgraner> internalkernel, wait.. there is pages already we jusy need to link to them [18:40:36] <_marx_> see [18:40:40] <akgraner> why recreated the wheel [18:40:58] <internalkernel> see I had no idea... [18:41:00] <JFo> John_n_NC, there are any number of ways you can get involved [18:41:03] <akgraner> I can do that.. [18:41:08] <akgraner> same info as the letter [18:41:09] <_marx_> stay tune John_n_NC [18:41:17] <JFo> simply telling your friends about ubuntu is involvement [18:41:32] <internalkernel> [ACTION] akgraner to organize wiki pages to help members get involved in the Ubuntu community [18:41:38] <JFo> it doesn't have to be big action items [18:41:44] <JFo> there can be many small ones [18:41:58] <_marx_> +1 JFo [18:42:22] <dick> ? +1 [18:42:27] <JFo> we need to make sure that is on the letter too [18:42:42] <internalkernel> so, we have individual involvement and team reports for LoCo approval? what else? [18:42:43] <_marx_> dick: +1 means i agree [18:43:08] <JFo> our involvement in conferences [18:43:15] <dick> _marx_: thanks [18:43:17] <JFo> our support of Ubucons [18:43:17] <internalkernel> right, all the advocacy [18:43:29] <_marx_> release parties and global jam days [18:43:32] <JFo> yep [18:43:36] <JFo> Ubuntu Hours [18:43:43] <internalkernel> I think the last action item covered the "Update status of the restructuring of the team's wiki pages" [18:43:47] <internalkernel> or at least part of it [18:43:50] <JFo> yeah [18:43:57] <JFo> so we need to standardize [18:44:12] <JFo> and make sure they make sense and are easy to find info in [18:44:19] <_marx_> except there needs to be navigation at the top of the main page [18:44:34] <_marx_> contact info is currently at the bottom [18:44:49] <JFo> we can accomplish that with links [18:45:01] <_marx_> correct [18:45:08] <akgraner> ok so the wiki pages I posted earlier.. have a ton of information on getting involved [18:45:15] <internalkernel> yes [18:45:26] <JFo> great pages too [18:45:32] <tatertot> akgraner, should we add the links you are going to send me to the wiki [18:45:44] <tatertot> get started section or something? what it is to be ubuntu [18:45:50] <akgraner> yep that is what I was going to do.. [18:45:56] <JFo> sounds good [18:46:02] <tatertot> good deal [18:46:08] <internalkernel> great should we move on to governance? [18:46:28] <internalkernel> this one is going to be big, don't mean to be pushy but we do have a large agenda... [18:46:30] <_marx_> let's do my pizza is on the way [18:46:37] <JFo> yeah [18:46:38] <internalkernel> right on! [18:46:40] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Governance and leadership - Rules of the Channel, Meeting Guidelines, Governance Requirements [18:46:41] <tatertot> +1 [18:46:47] <JFo> heh [18:47:12] <internalkernel> so, not sure who added this portion to the agenda... [18:47:19] <JFo> me [18:47:24] <tatertot> rules of the channel? [18:47:25] <internalkernel> but it does seem like something everyone who is getting involved should know [18:47:33] <JFo> yep [18:47:51] <internalkernel> so how can we make this info readily available to anyone who joins or finds there way here? [18:47:52] * mhall119 hopes this isn't going to involve logging vs. non-logging [18:47:58] <JFo> tatertot, how to act basically [18:48:00] <internalkernel> you are so logged [18:48:00] <tatertot> whenever this is sorted out as to what the rules are, internalkernel should add to sticky in forum [18:48:03] <JFo> mhall119, that time has passed [18:48:08] <JFo> this channel will be logged :) [18:48:09] <internalkernel> tatertot: good idea [18:48:17] <internalkernel> big brother is always watching [18:48:22] <JFo> heh [18:48:28] <mhall119> that was for akgraner's benefit [18:48:29] <akgraner> when will it be logger? _marx_ do you know [18:48:29] <JFo> we use Google O_o [18:48:37] <akgraner> mhall119, :-) [18:48:57] * _marx_ sent email re locobot haven't heard back [18:49:10] <JFo> rules of the channel should be acceptable behavior while in here [18:49:21] <akgraner> ok so as soon as it happens we need to post that in the topic [18:49:21] <tatertot> such as [18:49:23] <JFo> that was what we need to outline based on the Ubuntu CoC [18:49:28] <_marx_> currently only mootbot makes public logs and only during meetings [18:49:29] <internalkernel> right, follow the ubuntu conduct code [18:49:46] <internalkernel> akgraner: link? [18:49:49] <internalkernel> :) [18:49:53] <internalkernel> you were so quick with the others [18:49:59] <JFo> so, it needs to be clear that behavior outside those standards will not be tolerated and will b e moderated out [18:50:02] <akgraner> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [18:50:29] <JFo> mutual respect, etc. [18:50:37] <tatertot> what about on topic/ off topic; if we are not in a meeting, but it doesn't directly have to do with the loco should we avoid it [18:50:37] <internalkernel> we should have a standard wiki detailing the basics here - and include that in the welcome letter... [18:50:41] <akgraner> yep [18:50:53] <JFo> right internalkernel [18:50:59] <JFo> linking to the C o C [18:51:05] <internalkernel> Ill take that - unless someone else wants it? [18:51:05] <_marx_> imo NC talk is acceptable [18:51:18] <_marx_> is it snowing there yet etc... [18:51:21] <internalkernel> this channel is always offtopic - the topic is off topic [18:51:34] <JFo> I think that is fine as long as there is no abuse [18:51:38] <akgraner> yes, socializing is how LoCo teams build the team [18:51:38] <_marx_> that sort of thing is team building [18:51:41] <mhall119> -fl is offtopic most of the time, it's a social channel [18:51:46] <JFo> personal insults, etc. [18:51:46] <tatertot> so the rules are basically exactly as the CoC [18:51:58] <dick> I wonder if that "Welcome Letter" will get so big it won't get read? [18:51:58] <internalkernel> right - it's simple... be a human being. [18:52:06] <internalkernel> lol... [18:52:06] <JFo> right [18:52:08] <internalkernel> it might [18:52:11] <John_n_NC> CoC = code of conduct? [18:52:12] <akgraner> dick it's will be links [18:52:17] <JFo> John_n_NC, yes sir [18:52:18] <tatertot> John_n_NC, yes sir [18:52:20] <akgraner> it even [18:52:22] <JFo> :) [18:52:22] <tatertot> lol [18:52:24] <internalkernel> JFo: will have to edit it, akgraner can be kinda... long winded. [18:52:28] <JFo> lol [18:52:45] <akgraner> :-) [18:52:45] <JFo> she'll read it to me several times :P [18:52:50] <JFo> heh [18:53:27] <internalkernel> [ACTION] internalkernel to create a code of conduct for the LoCo wiki, link to welcome page [18:53:27] <JFo> I think we should also define offtopic discussions that are never welcome [18:53:35] <JFo> so that there is no question what is taboo [18:53:43] <akgraner> on the IRCC has that [18:53:52] <JFo> yep, we should link to that [18:53:59] <internalkernel> ok... taking notes. [18:54:23] <akgraner> I'll find their wiki [18:54:27] <JFo> k [18:54:34] <internalkernel> great, happy with that? moving on? [18:54:43] <akgraner> internalkernel, you don't have to create it [18:54:48] <JFo> Meeting guidelines I left vague [18:54:51] <akgraner> it already exists [18:55:04] <tatertot> hold on a sec [18:55:10] <tatertot> what offtopic is never welcome [18:55:11] <akgraner> CoC is the same for every team [18:55:20] <internalkernel> yes, the CoC does - and I didn't mean to imply I was going to make a new one - just reiterate what is considered acceptable behavior in the channels and lists... [18:55:27] <JFo> tatertot, there are certain subjects that should not be discussed [18:55:33] <JFo> that is what I mean [18:55:35] <internalkernel> and mostly link to Ubuntu's CoC [18:55:47] <tatertot> i know that, i was wondering if we are listing them or using common sense [18:55:57] <internalkernel> both [18:56:00] <tatertot> because you said you wanted to define [18:56:12] <JFo> well, there are a few that may need to be defined [18:56:18] <JFo> unless they already are somewhere [18:56:21] <internalkernel> it'll be common sense based and a few that need to be said... [18:56:25] <akgraner> let me see what I can find [18:56:35] <akgraner> and then we can deal with things as they happen [18:56:35] <JFo> in which case a link to them should suffice [18:56:39] <JFo> right [18:56:45] <JFo> hence the moderation [18:56:49] <JFo> :) [18:56:52] <_marx_> JFo: one example of what you have in mind? [18:57:02] <JFo> let's see what we find first [18:57:03] <internalkernel> there has to be an awareness regarding what may be considered offensive language for other people... [18:57:08] <JFo> right [18:57:21] <_marx_> agreed [18:57:31] <JFo> _marx_, conversations of a sexual nature should be avoided for example [18:57:35] <internalkernel> just because we think it's cool, doesn't mean that it's not backwards in Australia or Uganga... or whatever... [18:57:38] <JFo> right [18:57:56] <internalkernel> Im going with politics... and probably religion to be safe... [18:58:04] <akgraner> I'll link to UW for some of those things [18:58:06] <_marx_> JFo: seems common sense to me but... [18:58:10] <JFo> it may be [18:58:15] <JFo> but to some it may not be [18:58:16] <internalkernel> maybe not for everyone [18:58:18] <internalkernel> right [18:58:21] <akgraner> they have some great resources [18:58:25] <JFo> ecellent [18:58:26] <akgraner> or rather we [18:58:35] <tatertot> sounds good then, just normal stuff [18:58:42] <JFo> right, in most cases [18:58:45] <internalkernel> like I always say... never underestimate humanitys inherent ability to be dumb... [18:58:58] <JFo> but remember, people from many countries and cultures have access here [18:59:01] <dick> common sense...oxymoron? [18:59:08] <JFo> internalkernel, truer words never spoken [18:59:12] <internalkernel> lol [18:59:27] <JFo> dick, in some cases, yes [18:59:32] <JFo> ok... [18:59:38] <JFo> shall we talk about Governance [18:59:40] <JFo> ? [18:59:42] <internalkernel> sweet, we're cracking an hour... [18:59:42] <tatertot> meeting guidelines then? [18:59:43] <internalkernel> yes [19:00:10] <internalkernel> moving on? [19:00:16] <_marx_> y [19:00:17] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Governance and leadership - Proposal for Team Leadership [19:00:18] <JFo> sounds good [19:00:31] <JFo> I think a group of leaders is best [19:00:36] <JFo> like a committee [19:00:36] <internalkernel> so we discussed this last night, today and I tossed it up on the agenda... [19:00:39] <JFo> right [19:00:44] <internalkernel> I'm going for 3 leaders max [19:00:48] <_marx_> me to [19:00:52] <JFo> I think that is good [19:00:55] <internalkernel> that way there's always a tie breaker in the case of a vote [19:00:58] <internalkernel> and its not to many [19:01:15] <JFo> I'd also propose having an alternate in case the 3 are unavailable for some reason [19:01:29] <_marx_> right now we have three ops on this irc channel [19:01:30] <internalkernel> not a bad idea... like an ultimate backup [19:01:31] <JFo> which may simply consist of the team contact [19:01:39] <JFo> right [19:01:47] <internalkernel> like the speaker of the house... [19:01:49] <internalkernel> :) [19:01:52] <JFo> heh, yeah [19:01:56] <_marx_> two admins for the mailing list [19:02:04] <JFo> yep [19:02:12] <internalkernel> ok, for times sake I think we can define roles another time... [19:02:13] <JFo> split up the load so there is no pressure [19:02:17] <JFo> right [19:02:20] <_marx_> well three counting the canonical person [19:02:27] <internalkernel> heh [19:02:36] <akgraner> why a canonical person? [19:02:41] <akgraner> oh nm [19:02:49] <JFo> hah, I just got that too :) [19:02:52] <internalkernel> lmao [19:02:53] <JFo> <-slow [19:02:59] <_marx_> akgraner: apparently a default when creating a mailing list [19:03:13] <internalkernel> so, how do we decide who these three are> [19:03:14] <internalkernel> ? [19:03:21] <JFo> think there needs to be a vote [19:03:38] <internalkernel> well before that I think we should ask... who wants it? [19:03:45] <JFo> those who want to be included in the vote create a wiki page if they don't have one already [19:03:46] <internalkernel> and who wants to nominate others... [19:03:54] <akgraner> so does the team nominate people or self nomination? [19:03:59] <JFo> and put themselves up for consideration [19:04:03] <tatertot> _marx_, akgraner JFo internalkernel are my nonimations [19:04:03] <internalkernel> I think we should do both... [19:04:05] <JFo> self, I think [19:04:24] <tatertot> need people who are active and know what they are doing [19:04:26] <JFo> tatertot, lol [19:04:32] <_marx_> i'm kinda selfed in already [19:04:35] <internalkernel> see I'd nominate akgraner _marx_ JFo in a second - but I don't know if any of them want that... [19:04:40] <tatertot> you 4 are basically running the meeting so... [19:04:50] <JFo> I don't think I can be [19:04:55] <internalkernel> right see... [19:05:10] <JFo> which brings up an interesting point about ops _marx_ [19:05:17] <JFo> may need to choose another one [19:05:20] <internalkernel> so, this needs to be set on the agenda for next meeting... [19:05:24] <tatertot> is it preemptive to have 3 leaders because the size of the group [19:05:25] <JFo> we can discuss that later though [19:05:27] <_marx_> JFo: you are one [19:05:29] <internalkernel> a vote to determine who the leaders will be... [19:05:31] <JFo> I know [19:05:40] <tatertot> maybe just delegate more work out and see how it goes [19:05:53] <akgraner> tatertot, no its just * a lot* of work for one person [19:06:01] <JFo> a whole lot [19:06:11] <internalkernel> and we don't want to hit another sitaution where that one person gets overwhelmed and bounces... [19:06:16] <tatertot> that's what im saying, if we just delegate better than the 1 person at the top wont have all of that pressure [19:06:21] <JFo> plus it is unfair to tell one person they have to always be here for stuff [19:06:38] <JFo> it has to pass the 'Bus Test' [19:06:49] <internalkernel> right... I have a 2 year old pulling at my chair... [19:06:53] <internalkernel> I'd love to go play with her [19:07:11] <JFo> if that one leader get's hit by a bug. God forbid, what happens to the team [19:07:13] <internalkernel> but Im here... and this is what we want to avoid... we should be able to support each other in this [19:07:13] <JFo> ? [19:07:19] <JFo> internalkernel, correct [19:07:25] <internalkernel> well, I don't think a bug would hurt much [19:07:26] <tatertot> k [19:07:31] <JFo> we need flexibility [19:07:36] <JFo> err bus [19:07:39] <internalkernel> unless it was REALLY big - like a Florida bug for instance [19:07:46] <JFo> /kick internalkernel [19:07:48] <JFo> :) [19:07:50] <tatertot> i hate lovebugs [19:07:51] <internalkernel> lol [19:08:04] <internalkernel> or like herbie the bug... [19:08:07] <_marx_> lol [19:08:09] <internalkernel> anyways... I digress [19:08:15] <JFo> the conversation has taken a turn [19:08:17] <JFo> :) [19:08:17] <internalkernel> so - how shall we organize the nominations [19:08:21] <internalkernel> ??? [19:08:34] <internalkernel> next meeting, or do we want to create a wiki... [19:08:36] <JFo> I think we need to lay this out for the Loco members to decide [19:08:40] <_marx_> what are the positions? [19:08:45] <JFo> we can't just make all of the decisions [19:08:50] <JFo> they have to weigh in [19:08:54] <internalkernel> maybe create a wiki, with the nominees on it [19:08:57] <JFo> and vote when that comes up [19:08:58] <internalkernel> and then vote in the next meeting [19:09:02] <akgraner> We need to send stuff to the mailing list [19:09:06] <JFo> this may take some extra time [19:09:08] <tatertot> 3 heads, 1 backup contact, or like pres, vice pres chief of staff etc [19:09:08] <internalkernel> right right... [19:09:09] <JFo> riht akgraner [19:09:13] <akgraner> tell people what we are doing [19:09:16] <internalkernel> tatertot: yes [19:09:20] <JFo> right [19:09:26] <internalkernel> _marx_: positions are somewhat detaied on the agenda [19:09:35] <JFo> let's make sure it is what they want too [19:09:36] <internalkernel> we need to edit and revise those [19:09:39] <akgraner> post something to the forums as well [19:09:43] <JFo> yep [19:10:02] <JFo> and maybe at the next meeting, set a date in the future for election [19:10:05] <akgraner> no just NC LoCo Leaders [19:10:14] <internalkernel> ok... so action item... create a leadership nomination wiki, post to the forums, and mailing list asking to edit and update [19:10:36] <JFo> set a reasonable timeframe for people to nominate [19:10:43] <JFo> then have a date for the vote [19:10:57] <tatertot> who is eligible for nominations as well [19:10:57] <internalkernel> that way we can determine positions, responsibilities, etc... and a date to vote [19:10:57] <akgraner> yes, but I would suggest whomever is going to so that take a look at how the other teams have done theirs [19:10:58] <JFo> so no confusion. [19:11:06] <JFo> akgraner, I agree [19:11:07] <tatertot> just because someone gets nominated doesnt mean they want it [19:11:16] <JFo> tatertot, true [19:11:23] <internalkernel> tatertot: true like JFo... :P [19:11:24] <tatertot> so self nomination [19:11:28] <JFo> internalkernel, :P [19:11:32] <akgraner> so we can contact them and ask them [19:11:40] <JFo> tatertot, I think that is fair [19:11:48] <JFo> akgraner, +1 [19:11:50] <tatertot> +1 from me on that action item [19:11:54] * JFo is a yes man [19:11:58] <internalkernel> lol [19:12:00] <JFo> :) [19:12:21] <internalkernel> I'll take that as an action item - if no one else wants it... [19:12:33] <internalkernel> I will also greatly appreciate help... and will kinda expect it... [19:12:35] <akgraner> I can help you if you want.. [19:12:36] * _marx_ lost paying for that pizza [19:12:39] <JFo> internalkernel, lol [19:12:48] <internalkernel> this is more than what one person should decide on for the team [19:12:54] <JFo> right [19:13:03] <internalkernel> ok good... so... action decided, anyone else want to help? [19:13:06] <JFo> but draft the proposal then as k for input [19:13:08] <tatertot> once i figure out how to wiki stuff i will help a lot more with that [19:13:20] <JFo> tatertot, help is always welcome [19:13:36] <akgraner> so we get it put together then ask the mailing list to comment on it [19:13:40] <JFo> right [19:13:45] <internalkernel> [ACTION] akgraner and internalkernel to create a nominations wiki, with guidelines for team leadership, and time frame to vote - post to forums and mailing list as well [19:13:50] <_marx_> sounds good [19:14:17] <tatertot> new project ideas? [19:14:17] <JFo> in the meantime we can start the framework of the governance [19:14:27] <internalkernel> sweet, we can decide details in the next meeting... once the wiki is up it will be freely editable and all that [19:14:31] <JFo> yep [19:14:36] <internalkernel> JFo: yes exactly [19:14:48] <internalkernel> this is something that should naturally take a month or two... [19:14:56] <JFo> yep [19:15:06] <internalkernel> ok, move on? [19:15:06] <_marx_> yeah i think so too [19:15:33] <akgraner> internalkernel, it will take a while to get it all put together [19:15:37] <internalkernel> we are satisified... yes? [19:15:43] <internalkernel> akgraner: yes, I expect so... [19:15:46] <JFo> yep [19:15:55] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Current Projects [19:16:14] <internalkernel> so this has outreach to rural areas? [19:16:16] <JFo> some of this was covered in advocacy [19:16:18] <JFo> yeah [19:16:23] <internalkernel> is this like a food stamps program? [19:16:26] <internalkernel> :P [19:16:32] <JFo> some of this is ubucon and speaker at conferences [19:16:40] <tatertot> mine are currently where to put the cd's and making the theme [19:17:24] <JFo> I'm building a monster of a desktop machine [19:17:33] <internalkernel> now that I am looking at the agenda we got most of this wrapped into the advocacy [19:17:37] <JFo> naming it Collosus [19:18:13] <internalkernel> so is there anythign else under current projects? [19:18:40] <JFo> not that I can think of [19:18:40] <tatertot> wiki work i guess is the biggy for current projects, and getting ubuntu hour rolling [19:18:48] <akgraner> I can't think of anything I haven't talked about [19:18:54] <JFo> Wiki team, good call tatertot [19:18:56] <_marx_> me either [19:19:03] <JFo> do we want to have a wiki project? [19:19:18] <JFo> wiki revitalization [19:19:18] <JFo> ? [19:19:18] <_marx_> a wiki team yes [19:19:24] <tatertot> +1 from me, it's really confusing [19:19:35] <internalkernel> yes I think (and I forgot to address this when _marx_ brought it up) that should be one of the points of governance under leadership [19:19:47] <JFo> what if we put the Governance voting under projects [19:19:47] <tatertot> i normally go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/asdfdsa to find what i want [19:20:08] <JFo> and the Conferences [19:20:10] <internalkernel> someone to handle coordinating that and organizing... and to also be a point contact for new changes... [19:20:15] <JFo> since each of them is a project [19:20:26] <JFo> tatertot, I know what you mean [19:20:32] <akgraner> so what I was thinking was to look at some of the approved teams [19:20:32] <JFo> right internalkernel [19:20:38] <JFo> akgraner, good idea [19:20:46] <akgraner> and read the LoCo Council recommendations [19:20:47] <tatertot> make a wiki sitemap? [19:20:50] <internalkernel> so who is the wiki master??? [19:20:52] <tatertot> broke down into sections [19:20:53] <_marx_> I really have to go yall, wife's birthday is today [19:21:01] <tatertot> later _marx_ [19:21:05] <JFo> k, _marx_ see ya [19:21:06] <internalkernel> _marx_: no worries, this is almost over... [19:21:07] <akgraner> _marx_, tell her Happy B-day from the team [19:21:16] <_marx_> i will [19:21:19] <internalkernel> yes, wifey gets a happy bday... [19:21:28] <_marx_> she's been very understanding [19:21:32] <tatertot> feliz cumpleanos [19:22:10] <JFo> I think reading the Loco Council recommendations sounds like a great start [19:22:19] <internalkernel> link? [19:23:19] <akgraner> one sec [19:23:22] <internalkernel> ok... so what did we decide besides we need a wiki master? [19:23:39] <akgraner> on wait I posted the LoCo Link earlier [19:23:48] <internalkernel> and that postiion will be one of the leadership responsibilities [19:24:06] <internalkernel> because that is a huge project and is probably deserving of a team [19:24:52] <akgraner> one of the leadership team should prob do that [19:25:07] <akgraner> along with people on the team who want to help [19:25:10] <internalkernel> yes I agree... [19:25:24] <internalkernel> so we should add this to the agenda for next meeting... [19:25:37] <internalkernel> wiki organization: so we can devote some time to that... [19:25:55] <tatertot> definitely [19:26:19] <internalkernel> so is that enough for now... [19:26:24] <JFo> I think so [19:26:27] <tatertot> i think that is everything [19:26:33] <tatertot> on the agenda at least [19:26:34] <internalkernel> sweet! [19:26:36] <internalkernel> [TOPIC] Next Meeting - Tuesday, January 19th, 7pm EST [19:26:46] <internalkernel> any issues with that time... [19:26:52] <internalkernel> everyone got it? [19:26:53] <JFo> no idea yet [19:26:59] <akgraner> I can send a doodle poll to the list [19:27:10] <JFo> sounds good [19:27:11] <tatertot> i would love for it to be later but i understand why it isnt [19:27:12] <internalkernel> akgraner: what? [19:27:39] <internalkernel> Im fine with it being later... [19:27:44] <JFo> I'll also be stepping back from the team a bit as my new role carries with it some responsibility wrt the loco team [19:27:46] <internalkernel> but it's cutting into my couch time at that point [19:28:10] <internalkernel> JFo: its understood... [19:28:24] <internalkernel> we'll see if we can get holstein to hop in... [19:28:24] <akgraner> oh sorry.. it's a poll where you just click boxes for day and time [19:28:32] <akgraner> 2 mins left [19:28:43] <internalkernel> ok send it off... [19:28:51] <internalkernel> do we need to decide on it now? [19:28:51] <akgraner> http://www.doodle.com/ [19:29:10] <tatertot> my poll will be for 4am, or 10pm [19:29:12] <JFo> sinBot, time [19:29:12] <sinBot> 8:29pm Tuesday (EST) - Time in Raleigh, North Carolina [19:29:24] <tatertot> both will never happen though [19:29:30] <internalkernel> ok, does anyone want to chair the next meeting? [19:29:39] <internalkernel> otherwise we are wrapped! [19:29:49] <JFo> good deal [19:29:51] <tatertot> how do you chair [19:29:59] <akgraner> does anyone who hasn't had a chance to chair want to? [19:30:01] <internalkernel> you do what I just did... [19:30:20] <JFo> don't forget to end it [19:30:20] <tatertot> i think i will hold off on that then [19:30:31] <internalkernel> ok, then... [19:30:35] <internalkernel> #endmeeting Meeting ended.