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   2 [18:00:15] <_marx_> Hey everyone! who all's here?
   3 [18:00:20] <BugeyeD> o/
   4 [18:00:24] <internalkernel> o/
   5 [18:00:27] <olympus> o/
   6 [18:00:35] <_marx_> this makes mootbot record attendance
   7 [18:01:09] <alinuxfan> i am here :-)
   8 [18:01:16] <_marx_> any one that speaks during the meeting gets recorded as attending by mootbot though
   9 [18:01:34] <JFo> o/
  10 [18:01:54] <_marx_> dang I'm missing action items from the last meeting :\
  11 [18:02:22] <_marx_> [topci] Advocacy reports
  12 [18:02:23] <internalkernel> _marx_: I'll PM them
  13 [18:02:32] <_marx_> [topic] Advocacy reports
  14 [18:03:13] <akgraner> opps sorry I was late
  15 [18:03:14] <_marx_> anything to report on advocacy?
  16 [18:03:37] <internalkernel> I did a presentation regarding general network security in Hendersonville yesterday...
  17 [18:03:43] <JFo> naughty naughty akgraner :)
  18 [18:03:47] <internalkernel> to a large MS group... lol...
  19 [18:03:59] <_marx_> I've got a long time suse user using ubuntu on her laptop that's like not real advocacy
  20 [18:04:13] <internalkernel> distro switching is...
  21 [18:04:23] <celem_> celem
  22 [18:04:40] <akgraner> where's the link to the agenda
  23 [18:04:44] <internalkernel> I wore an ubuntu shirt yesterday too...
  24 [18:04:47] <_marx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/Meeting/Agenda
  25 [18:04:48] <internalkernel> :)
  26 [18:05:39] <_marx_> also handed out a LiveCD at the Ubuntu Hour in Winston
  27 [18:06:51] <_marx_> anything upcoming on advocacy?
  28 [18:07:19] <internalkernel> Lug meeting in NC on the 6th
  29 [18:07:28] <internalkernel> at Firestorm
  30 [18:07:31] <akgraner> Ubucon at SELF
  31 [18:07:47] <internalkernel> JFo sings our praises constantly...
  32 [18:07:53] <JFo> heh
  33 [18:08:25] <akgraner> I need to turn the planning of Ubucon at SELF over to the NC and SC teams
  34 [18:08:40] <akgraner> and find out who wants to staff the Ubuntu Booth
  35 [18:08:48] <_marx_> hum action items need to get on the next agenda; mental note to self
  36 [18:09:36] <alinuxfan> advocacy, installed 9.10 on one of my wife's co-worker'c computer :D
  37 [18:09:47] * BugeyeD put ubuntu on 3 laptops for windows users to dual-boot into
  38 [18:09:54] <akgraner> well there is still some time want me to dr the agenda with that this week?
  39 [18:09:56] <internalkernel> smashed a mac book...
  40 [18:10:46] <_marx_> akgraner: dr?
  41 [18:10:59] <_marx_> internalkernel: not sure that counts :)
  42 [18:11:10] <internalkernel> I screamed ubuntu as I did it...
  43 [18:11:14] <BugeyeD> ha
  44 [18:11:19] <akgraner> as in fix the action items for SELF
  45 [18:11:21] <internalkernel> It was like the scene out of Office Space
  46 [18:11:25] <_marx_> [topic] projects
  47 [18:11:31] <akgraner> you know "dr something up"
  48 [18:11:40] <BugeyeD> drudge report?
  49 [18:11:41] <_marx_> ah cool
  50 [18:11:51] <BugeyeD> drug rehab?
  51 [18:12:29] <olympus> to sleep perchance to dr?
  52 [18:13:06] <_marx_> [action] add ubucon at self to agenda akgraner
  53 [18:13:16] <BugeyeD> projects - i've been talking to an it manager (not mine) about replacing some vmware with ubuntu/kvm in their lab
  54 [18:13:20] <_marx_> cool akgraner
  55 [18:13:23] <akgraner> cool
  56 [18:13:53] <BugeyeD> or maybe that's advocacy, not sure
  57 [18:14:12] <_marx_> BugeyeD: cross over item
  58 [18:14:16] <BugeyeD> could turn into a big project for him, but that might be a different thing
  59 [18:14:55] <akgraner> I was forwarded an email last week about a project concerning National Guard
  60 [18:15:13] <akgraner> it may take me a minute to type out all the details so bare with me
  61 [18:16:12] <akgraner> There is a group in MN that takes old computers
  62 [18:16:14] <_marx_> what to yall think about the rural tour?
  63 [18:16:20] <akgraner> puts ubuntu on them
  64 [18:16:29] <akgraner> and gets them to the soldiers family
  65 [18:16:47] <akgraner> it is based on the Yellow Ribbon Campaign
  66 [18:17:01] <akgraner> and the Federal Electronics Challenge
  67 [18:17:29] <akgraner> Since Canonial is aware that we are wanting to work with getting Ubuntu on the Bases
  68 [18:17:46] <akgraner> and the person who sent the email is wanting to grow their project
  69 [18:18:03] <akgraner> they thought we could take a look at trying something like that in our loco
  70 [18:18:35] <BugeyeD> _marx_: i'm interested in talking about that
  71 [18:18:43] <alinuxfan> that is an awesome idea akgraner
  72 [18:18:46] <BugeyeD> akgraner: i'm interested in doing this.
  73 [18:19:04] <alinuxfan> i have been wantin to do that for a while...i was basing mine of Helios's Komputers4Kids in Austin
  74 [18:19:06] <akgraner> so I'll get all the info and get it to the list then
  75 [18:19:14] <BugeyeD> akgraner: i already have a small stack of older computers available. what's the minimum requirement for this type of deployement, though?
  76 [18:19:41] <akgraner> just that they can connect to the internet
  77 [18:19:44] <akgraner> send emails
  78 [18:19:49] <BugeyeD> alinuxfan: i subscribe to helios' feed, and have pumped some help his way. very good person/mission.
  79 [18:19:53] <akgraner> and do like a skype call or something
  80 [18:20:09] <BugeyeD> skype will probably be the hardest part, as it requires actual cpu.
  81 [18:20:18] <akgraner> or empathy
  82 [18:20:23] <akgraner> or yahoo
  83 [18:20:24] <_marx_> [action] akgraner so I'll get all the info and get it to the list then on MN team effort to get old machines to National Guard families
  84 [18:20:25] <BugeyeD> email not so much. web is getting bad with all the crummy flash.
  85 [18:20:50] <akgraner> just so they can stay in touch with the soldiers that are deployed
  86 [18:20:52] <BugeyeD> i'm thinking voip. if you're talking text, no problems.
  87 [18:21:36] <alinuxfan> voip isnt that reliable downrange...it is more emails than anything
  88 [18:21:42] <alinuxfan> (just my experience)
  89 [18:21:50] <akgraner> I will snip the email so I don't blast the guy from MN personal info all over the list, but I'll get it to everyone
  90 [18:22:00] <_marx_> alinuxfan: bandwidth issues?
  91 [18:22:13] <BugeyeD> alinuxfan: not surprising; streaming needs relatively stable packet flow. satellites, well, you know.
  92 [18:22:57] <_marx_> BugeyeD: thoughts on rural tour...
  93 [18:23:26] <alinuxfan> yes, bandwidth
  94 [18:23:29] <BugeyeD> how does the team get the word out for something like that?
  95 [18:23:41] <alinuxfan> bunches of people using the same satellites
  96 [18:23:52] <alinuxfan> and half are trying to myspace or facebook
  97 [18:24:19] <_marx_> BugeyeD: decide on what to demo; book a place; flyers; web2.0 pr
  98 [18:25:03] <akgraner> I like the rural tour idea
  99 [18:25:03] <BugeyeD> i guess it's the same as in our normal cities; nobody knows the best way to get the word out to those who might be most interested
 100 [18:25:21] <BugeyeD> i really like the rural idea, and the "bring your thumbdrive we'll put linux on it" is awesome
 101 [18:25:24] <_marx_> BugeyeD: recall that i think it was opensuse demo at the last SELF
 102 [18:25:38] <BugeyeD> _marx_: ?
 103 [18:25:53] <olympus> BugeyeD: I'd like to work on that.
 104 [18:25:54] <_marx_> it was something like edubuntu
 105 [18:26:45] <_marx_> [idea] mailing list thread on developing a demo for rural area show
 106 [18:27:16] <olympus> _marx_: That would be tailor made for a Teacher conference or work day in the schools
 107 [18:27:27] <BugeyeD> do we have an ubuntu remix similar to puppy?
 108 [18:27:38] <_marx_> olympus: getting in, do you have an "in"
 109 [18:27:48] <akgraner> I know where I live I am planning on an ad in the paper, then having a few demo machines, then just answer questions and burn CD's as they need them
 110 [18:28:04] <olympus> I have a couple of contacts in the Asheville/Hendersonville area
 111 [18:28:39] <internalkernel> BugeyeD: easy enough to make if we don't
 112 [18:28:55] <_marx_> any one want to start the mailing list action on this?
 113 [18:29:55] <_marx_> dang too many military and ex-military here ;-)
 114 [18:30:05] <BugeyeD> sir, yes sir!
 115 [18:30:21] <BugeyeD> if nobody else does, i can start a thread
 116 [18:30:37] <internalkernel> If we need a remix of an Ubuntu LiveCD, I can throw one together...
 117 [18:30:38] <_marx_> ah, that's so navy!
 118 [18:31:07] <BugeyeD> internalkernel: i'd like to be in on that, to learn how it's done if nothing else.
 119 [18:31:27] <_marx_> [action] BugeyeD start action on rural tour with mailing list post
 120 [18:31:29] <BugeyeD> but puppy really excels in being tiny and fast and working with a multitude of different old/new computers
 121 [18:32:08] <_marx_> y'all ready for topic change?
 122 [18:32:15] <BugeyeD> sir, yes sir!
 123 [18:32:16] <internalkernel> BugeyeD: true true... but just PM me some time I can email you a bunch of stuff regarding the how to remix...
 124 [18:32:24] <BugeyeD> internalkernel: np
 125 [18:32:31] <internalkernel> I did it for another project Im working on...
 126 [18:32:38] <internalkernel> _marx_: Im ready for a new topic
 127 [18:33:16] <_marx_> [topic] Team Approval
 128 [18:33:41] <_marx_> maybe this should be down the agenda...
 129 [18:34:16] <BugeyeD> i approve of the team. next topic.
 130 [18:34:23] <internalkernel> I concur
 131 [18:34:29] <internalkernel> team hereby approved
 132 [18:34:33] <_marx_> wiki clean up; making the application wiki page; governance stuff is all I see to do
 133 [18:34:49] <internalkernel> yeah yeah, we should have nominations
 134 [18:34:57] <internalkernel> beside bueller
 135 [18:34:58] <akgraner> I suggest we keep putting items on the approval wiki with pictures from event
 136 [18:35:14] <_marx_> oh add "smart aleck" position for BugeyeD I forgot that one :)
 137 [18:35:16] <internalkernel> good call, where is the approval wiki?
 138 [18:35:22] <akgraner> then at some time we ask someone from the LoCo Council to look over it for us
 139 [18:35:31] <internalkernel> ok, but I want "constantly sarcastic"
 140 [18:35:42] <_marx_> approval wike hasn't been created yet that I know of
 141 [18:35:42] <internalkernel> or "never takes anything seriously"
 142 [18:35:50] <internalkernel> wait, my girl has that one...
 143 [18:35:55] <akgraner> I thought I did
 144 [18:36:06] <internalkernel> Im waiting for a link...
 145 [18:36:08] <internalkernel> :)
 146 [18:36:10] <akgraner> I'll look after the meeting
 147 [18:36:31] <BugeyeD> akgraner: so for the approval process, you're suggesting a bunch of "see, look what we did!" kinds of things?
 148 [18:36:44] <BugeyeD> not that i disagree, just asking.
 149 [18:36:59] <_marx_> action items with completion details
 150 [18:37:01] <akgraner> yep, and what our future plans are via the roadmap
 151 [18:37:06] <internalkernel> I think it's more like having a roadmap, and then showing how we accomplished our roadmap
 152 [18:37:35] <internalkernel> so all these events and advocacy type things should get linked or inserted into the roadmap/wiki
 153 [18:37:38] <BugeyeD> could be both trying to say the same thing, but i like internalkernel's wording better
 154 [18:37:46] <akgraner> internalkernel, yes but you have to have future goals as well
 155 [18:37:50] <_marx_> and for me roadmap doesn't work as a term
 156 [18:38:01] <_marx_> terminalogy, just my brain
 157 [18:38:08] <akgraner> _marx_, that's a community term
 158 [18:38:09] <internalkernel> ok, what should we call it...
 159 [18:38:33] <internalkernel> how bout "future stuff we're supposed to do but haven't yet"
 160 [18:38:52] <_marx_> again just my brain a blueprint makes more sense to me
 161 [18:39:01] <JFo> blueprints we have
 162 [18:39:08] <JFo> this is a roadmap
 163 [18:39:18] <JFo> it is a way to reach a destination
 164 [18:39:23] <_marx_> ah, ic
 165 [18:39:25] <akgraner> you can link the roadmap to the blueprint
 166 [18:39:25] <olympus> footsteps
 167 [18:39:26] <internalkernel> or a way to get lost
 168 [18:39:30] <akgraner> and I can make one if you want
 169 [18:39:39] <JFo> internalkernel, not if you define it properly
 170 [18:39:53] <internalkernel> you have not met my wife
 171 [18:40:07] <BugeyeD> internalkernel: you beat me to it!
 172 [18:40:14] <internalkernel> lmao!
 173 [18:40:34] <akgraner> _marx_, I can take the roadmap and create a blueprint
 174 [18:40:44] <akgraner> and they can work together if you want
 175 [18:41:50] <akgraner> _marx_, I love blueprints so it's not a hard think to make work if you all want to
 176 [18:42:05] <BugeyeD> what's a blueprint?
 177 [18:42:22] <BugeyeD> i've seen the term used, but am unsure what it means in ubuntuism
 178 [18:42:27] <akgraner> BugeyeD, it's a way to keep track of a project in Launchpad
 179 [18:42:41] <BugeyeD> like a status page?
 180 [18:43:02] <akgraner> one sec let me find the one for UW
 181 [18:43:12] <BugeyeD> i can look it up, we don't need to tie up the meeting with this
 182 [18:43:26] <internalkernel> I think a blueprint is like an immediate action, while a roadmap is like a bunch of blueprints...
 183 [18:43:43] <akgraner> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-ubuntu-women-project
 184 [18:43:47] <_marx_> semantics I need to learn
 185 [18:44:02] <BugeyeD> me too
 186 [18:44:11] <_marx_> i won't make me learning semantics a action item
 187 [18:44:31] <akgraner> so basically a roadmap it you long term goals
 188 [18:44:42] <akgraner> a Blueprint you set for each cycle
 189 [18:44:48] <internalkernel> I swear someone just said that
 190 [18:44:51] <internalkernel> :)
 191 [18:44:55] <internalkernel> ok where are we at?
 192 [18:45:02] <alinuxfan> i am in Sanford
 193 [18:45:10] <_marx_> [topic] Governance and Leadership
 194 [18:45:13] <internalkernel> lol, thanks...
 195 [18:45:19] <alinuxfan> internalkernel, yw
 196 [18:45:37] <internalkernel> I nominate BugeyeD for something...
 197 [18:45:58] <internalkernel> and _marx_ for chairing some more...
 198 [18:46:17] <internalkernel> and akgraner for wiki and documenation
 199 [18:46:20] <internalkernel> :/
 200 [18:46:24] <akgraner> :-P uh no
 201 [18:46:49] <_marx_> biggest thing I see is the wiki
 202 [18:47:04] <_marx_> we have three peeps that can op here
 203 [18:47:26] <_marx_> two on the mailing list admin list
 204 [18:47:27] <BugeyeD> i'm decent with wiki markup (moinmoin) but i'm not sure i want to own it
 205 [18:47:41] <internalkernel> the wiki needs to be a team effort
 206 [18:47:42] <BugeyeD> i can definitely be a resource if deemed helpful
 207 [18:48:04] <internalkernel> I don't mind helping with cleaning stuff up...
 208 [18:48:21] <_marx_> [idea] BugeyeD helps w/wiki
 209 [18:48:35] <internalkernel> I think the idea behind the governance was to create a more coherent team structure...
 210 [18:48:38] <_marx_> [idea] internalkernel helps w/wiki
 211 [18:49:26] <_marx_> internalkernel: with responsibilities?
 212 [18:49:34] <internalkernel> does anyone else feel like we need to define how things get handled a little better?
 213 [18:49:47] <internalkernel> responsibilities is part of it, but that's not all of it
 214 [18:49:59] <internalkernel> It is a team effort, so its not about leadership or council
 215 [18:50:05] <internalkernel> its really about organization
 216 [18:50:09] * _marx_ looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/council
 217 [18:50:11] <internalkernel> and effective channeling of effort
 218 [18:50:36] <akgraner> here's the areas we have
 219 [18:50:39] <internalkernel> like earlier you said - we have three peeps that can op - but I have no idea who that is...
 220 [18:50:47] <akgraner> IRC, Forums, mailing list
 221 [18:50:53] <internalkernel> this is what Im referring to when I say we need to define these things
 222 [18:51:12] <internalkernel> so it's clear to everyone, especially the newcomer who installed ubuntu last week and wants to get involved
 223 [18:51:17] <_marx_> okay I've been doing most of team lead and moderator since late '08 and early '09
 224 [18:51:28] <internalkernel> right, I think you got that covered...
 225 [18:51:43] <akgraner> who is the forums person?
 226 [18:51:47] <internalkernel> maybe we can define a backup for you, in case life happens... and
 227 [18:52:00] <internalkernel> we need define roles for forums moderation, wiki, etc
 228 [18:52:09] * _marx_ is old as dirt
 229 [18:53:06] <internalkernel> So, we need people to step up... Documentation, Moderation ( _marx_ ), Advocacy, and Team Lead
 230 [18:53:12] <akgraner> internalkernel, how do you see the team structure?
 231 [18:53:23] <internalkernel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/council
 232 [18:53:32] <internalkernel> I made that page... that's how I see it...
 233 [18:53:36] <akgraner> k
 234 [18:53:55] <internalkernel> so let's talk about it... and Im totally open to adjusting it regarding what's best
 235 [18:53:58] <BugeyeD> forums person? what forums?
 236 [18:54:02] <internalkernel> lmao
 237 [18:54:10] <internalkernel> don't get around much, do ya
 238 [18:54:16] <_marx_> ditto lmao!
 239 [18:54:29] <internalkernel> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=278
 240 [18:54:55] * BugeyeD enjoys being laughed AT. sometimes.
 241 [18:55:02] <BugeyeD> no kidding - i had no idea we had a forum!
 242 [18:55:13] <internalkernel> this is really about eleviating pressure from the chair, because there's a tendency for everyone to look to _marx_ in order to get this or that done
 243 [18:55:28] <BugeyeD> i like expecting _marx_ to do everything
 244 [18:55:34] <BugeyeD> well, the hard stuff at least
 245 [18:55:36] <internalkernel> or it somehow magically gets accomplished when no one is looking ( akgraner )
 246 [18:56:02] <internalkernel> so, I'm just saying... we should define this a little better... coherent team structure will help with team approval as well
 247 [18:56:19] <internalkernel> jus' sayin...
 248 [18:56:19] * _marx_ nods at internalkernel
 249 [18:56:44] <internalkernel> this doesn tneed to happen on this meeting... full well expect this to be digested by the loco for a bit
 250 [18:57:29] <internalkernel> do we have consensus?
 251 [18:57:36] <internalkernel> BugeyeD now knows about the forums...
 252 [18:57:42] <olympus> I'm curious regarding the Forums and would like more info
 253 [18:57:55] <internalkernel> There's no terminal version of the Forums BugeyeD, so I figured you may have missed it
 254 [18:58:06] <BugeyeD> internalkernel: that's exactly it, i'm sure
 255 [18:58:11] <internalkernel> :)
 256 [18:58:13] <BugeyeD> i even edit the wiki in terminail
 257 [18:58:18] <BugeyeD> er, terminal
 258 [18:58:23] <internalkernel> olympus: what exactly
 259 [18:58:52] <olympus> internalkernel: what is expected of a "forums" person?
 260 [18:59:02] * _marx_ is comfortable w/team lead and handing off moderator occasionnaly
 261 [18:59:03] <BugeyeD> i think we're talking about a moderator for the forum
 262 [18:59:22] <internalkernel> forums falls under moderation, along with mailing list
 263 [18:59:27] <_marx_> BugeyeD: forum owner as well I believe
 264 [18:59:29] <internalkernel> and other general duties
 265 [18:59:32] <olympus> Ah, ic
 266 [18:59:53] * BugeyeD could probably do most of those, though akgraner seems to be way better suited to advocacy
 267 [19:00:03] <_marx_> I "own" this channel by rights of -F flag to chanserv
 268 [19:00:05] <internalkernel> considering my work schedule coming up, I expect my time to be limited come spring... I think Team Lead would be a position I could handle...
 269 [19:00:16] <_marx_> or +F
 270 [19:00:29] <internalkernel> I agree, akgraner is great at advocacy
 271 [19:00:51] <internalkernel> _marx_: has been handling chairing, no reason to change that...
 272 [19:01:07] <internalkernel> BUT! we do need a wiki person... :(
 273 [19:01:18] <_marx_> internalkernel: when is "spring"
 274 [19:01:21] <internalkernel> someone who is willing to organize that mess...
 275 [19:01:34] <internalkernel> March 1st to April 15th - I am out of town...
 276 [19:01:38] <akgraner> the calendar thing is kicking my butt
 277 [19:01:45] <internalkernel> I come home for about 3 days and then leave until June
 278 [19:01:56] <akgraner> and it isn't easy to update stuff
 279 [19:02:01] <BugeyeD> if nobody else is willing, i'll take a crack at the wiki. not sure about the calendar, though.
 280 [19:02:04] <akgraner> upcoming meeting still is a dec meeting
 281 [19:02:26] <internalkernel> I have no problem helping edit and adjust wikis - I'm not the person to organize that mess though
 282 [19:03:13] <_marx_> internalkernel: you see irc as part of moderation?
 283 [19:03:15] <internalkernel> while Im out of town, I can still be involved but my time and resources will be much more limited
 284 [19:03:34] <internalkernel> I don't know _marx_
 285 [19:03:49] <internalkernel> at first I did, but moderation in here has never been an issue
 286 [19:04:00] <internalkernel> so probably not... maybe we can merge those two postions...
 287 [19:04:04] <internalkernel> chair - and moderation
 288 [19:04:10] <internalkernel> ?
 289 [19:04:51] <BugeyeD> moderators typically keep things on-topic. but this is a community-type channel, not an official productX channel.
 290 [19:05:18] <BugeyeD> i don't think that's an issue here either
 291 [19:05:50] <_marx_> date
 292 [19:05:53] <BugeyeD> if anything, i've heard some folks who joined the channel and were afraid to talk. still not sure why,.
 293 [19:06:12] <_marx_> yeah i've seen that too BugeyeD
 294 [19:06:18] <internalkernel> yeah...
 295 [19:06:21] <internalkernel> lol
 296 [19:06:29] <akgraner> How about we move the discussion of governance to the mailing list
 297 [19:06:43] <akgraner> so people who may not be on IRC can weight in
 298 [19:06:51] <_marx_> second akgraner
 299 [19:07:02] <olympus> akgraner: good idea
 300 [19:07:07] <_marx_> internalkernel: can i make that an action item for you?
 301 [19:07:08] <internalkernel> +1
 302 [19:07:14] <BugeyeD> +1
 303 [19:07:16] <internalkernel> what exxactly?
 304 [19:07:19] <alinuxfan> i would be willing to do something on the forum...havent ever done anything with wikis so I wouldnt be much help there
 305 [19:07:40] <akgraner> so maybe we need more structure maybe not
 306 [19:07:47] <_marx_> moving this discussion to the mailing list to keep non irc'ers informed?
 307 [19:08:04] <akgraner> let's let the mailing list and forum people weigh in and see where it goes from there?
 308 [19:08:07] <internalkernel> yes, I'll make a posting for that
 309 [19:08:18] <internalkernel> and email the mailing list
 310 [19:08:32] <akgraner> _marx_, internalkernel has the action item
 311 [19:08:32] <internalkernel> I'm still working on getting the sticky edited from our last leader
 312 [19:08:36] <BugeyeD> i vote for it to go out irc, email, and in the forum.
 313 [19:08:49] <internalkernel> yes, agreed
 314 [19:08:54] <akgraner> alinuxfan, once internalkernel sends to mailing list can you post it in the NC forum area
 315 [19:09:10] <alinuxfan> yes ma'am
 316 [19:09:11] <_marx_> [action] internalkernel continue governance discussion on team mailing list
 317 [19:09:32] <akgraner> _marx_, alinuxfan has action to send to forum
 318 [19:10:32] <_marx_> [action] alinuxfan forum post on governance
 319 [19:11:21] <_marx_> BugeyeD: will you settle for "unofficial smart aleck"?
 320 [19:11:58] <BugeyeD> you don't have to call me anything.
 321 [19:12:01] <akgraner> _marx_, I think that should official
 322 [19:12:04] <BugeyeD> i can be a smartarse without a title. :)
 323 [19:12:05] <_marx_> [topic] next meeting chair and new business
 324 [19:12:51] * _marx_ has booked FootHills Brewery for a release party
 325 [19:13:06] <BugeyeD> woo!
 326 [19:13:14] <BugeyeD> great food
 327 [19:13:26] <internalkernel> sweet, sounds like another road trip...
 328 [19:13:29] <_marx_> the private room so noise level is lower
 329 [19:13:35] <internalkernel> wait that's April 30th right?
 330 [19:13:36] <BugeyeD> upstairs or down?
 331 [19:13:50] <_marx_> internalkernel: 29th
 332 [19:13:50] <alinuxfan> what city is foothills brewery?
 333 [19:13:56] <_marx_> BugeyeD: downstairs
 334 [19:13:58] <BugeyeD> winston-salem
 335 [19:13:59] <internalkernel> yeah, I'll be in Ft. Lauderdale...
 336 [19:14:01] <akgraner> _marx_, can you send the details to the list I'll add them to the release party wiki
 337 [19:14:18] <alinuxfan> cool, i can make W-S...Asheville is a *bit* far
 338 [19:14:18] <_marx_> akgraner: will do
 339 [19:14:23] <BugeyeD> internalkernel: so you could have your own release party at the candy store!
 340 [19:14:34] <internalkernel> lol... I'll have a whole convention center...
 341 [19:14:37] <internalkernel> :)
 342 [19:14:49] <internalkernel> I wonder if I could boot all the machines off thumb drives...
 343 [19:15:05] <internalkernel> I should have about 75 to 80 computers on that show...
 344 [19:15:11] <internalkernel> it's a small one
 345 [19:15:14] <BugeyeD> boot one off thumbdrive, setup dhcp/tftp and boot the rest over the network
 346 [19:15:21] <_marx_> good to have celem_ and olympus with us tonight
 347 [19:15:28] <internalkernel> lmao! actually they are all set for PXE as it is
 348 [19:15:46] <akgraner> oh I have some new business
 349 [19:15:55] <BugeyeD> celem_ is from brevard, right? and how about olympus?
 350 [19:15:58] <olympus> _marx_ : glad to be here
 351 [19:16:11] <olympus> from Fletcher, a Brevard suburd
 352 [19:16:18] <_marx_> go ahead akgraner
 353 [19:16:33] <akgraner> how many of you all know women who use Ubuntu
 354 [19:16:38] <_marx_> lmao at olympus!
 355 [19:16:58] <akgraner> ? anyone?
 356 [19:17:07] <internalkernel> my girl does
 357 [19:17:14] <internalkernel> because I said though...
 358 [19:17:16] <BugeyeD> akgraner: someone i've known awhile uses ubuntu, and has installed it on her parent's pc - just found out today, didn't even know she had a computer :)
 359 [19:17:18] <internalkernel> :)
 360 [19:17:19] <_marx_> just the one, and she's a long time suse user
 361 [19:17:39] <BugeyeD> oh yeah, i know that one too :)
 362 [19:17:43] <alinuxfan> my wife, but only 'cause I manage the systems
 363 [19:17:49] <olympus> trying to convince my wife! no luck yet
 364 [19:17:58] <internalkernel> I smashed her macbook...
 365 [19:17:59] <akgraner> ok so there is an International Women's Day Competition
 366 [19:17:59] <_marx_> olympus: ditto
 367 [19:18:00] <internalkernel> :)
 368 [19:18:00] <akgraner> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1969
 369 [19:18:25] <akgraner> that the Ubuntu Women Project is running
 370 [19:18:46] <akgraner> can you all please pass that along to women or girls you know who are using ubuntu
 371 [19:19:54] <_marx_> akgraner: noted
 372 [19:20:06] <olympus> akgraner: will do
 373 [19:20:27] <internalkernel> only because you're so nice..
 374 [19:20:29] <alinuxfan> akgraner, will do
 375 [19:20:38] <akgraner> thank you - there is less than 2% of female Users in FLOSS
 376 [19:20:51] <_marx_> BugeyeD: toadflax eh :)
 377 [19:20:59] <akgraner> the percentage is a but higher in the Ubuntu Community about 4%
 378 [19:21:04] <akgraner> but still way to low
 379 [19:22:09] <alinuxfan> akgraner, that is about the percentage I saw at Trilug's meeting last week
 380 [19:22:19] <_marx_> akgraner: i suspect flawed stats
 381 [19:23:06] <akgraner> _marx_, nope those are pretty good stats
 382 [19:23:41] <akgraner> so we as a community need to see how to encourage women to get involved in Open source and Ubuntu should they choose
 383 [19:24:10] <akgraner> so distros's the % of women is lower than that
 384 [19:24:16] <_marx_> could be part of rural tour as well
 385 [19:24:21] <akgraner> yep
 386 [19:24:41] <akgraner> but I would suggest going to the Ubuntu Women Website and reading it a bit
 387 [19:24:51] <_marx_> our state is a good mix of rural and urban areas
 388 [19:25:01] <akgraner> about the do's and don'ts to encouraging etc
 389 [19:25:46] <_marx_> evangelism 101
 390 [19:25:48] <akgraner> being outnumbered like that is often an intimidating place to be
 391 [19:26:07] <_marx_> extrapolated
 392 [19:26:20] <BugeyeD> probably wouldn't do very well for a bunch of guys to go on a tour advertising that they are looking for women to convert ...
 393 [19:26:33] <akgraner> so any who - please try to pass the contest along
 394 [19:26:41] <olympus> BugeyeD: lmao at that thought
 395 [19:26:56] <akgraner> BugeyeD, nah please don't go out and say "We Need Women"
 396 [19:27:29] <_marx_> aye, i often forget the age diff
 397 [19:28:35] <akgraner> BugeyeD, :-)
 398 [19:28:37] <_marx_> hormones and all, that sort of thing
 399 [19:28:57] <BugeyeD> i bet it'd be a huge help to have a female on the tour.
 400 [19:29:08] <_marx_> BugeyeD: +2
 401 [19:29:57] * _marx_ to chair next meeting
 402 [19:30:08] <_marx_> #endmeeting
 403 Meeting ended.