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   1 === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: QA Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 25 Jun 22:00 UTC: Platform Team | 26 Jun 10:00 UTC: MOTU School Session - Apport retraces | 26 Jun 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 01 Jul 15:00 UTC:  Server Team | 02 Jul 17:00 UTC: QA Team
   2 [17:58]  * pedro_ waves
   3 [17:58] <ara> :-)
   4 [17:58] <ara> hey
   5 [17:58] <pedro_> hi heno, ara
   6 [17:58] <heno> hey ara, pedro_ :)
   7 [17:58] <pedro_> ehhe
   8 [17:59] <heno> bdmurray, sbeattie ping?
   9 [17:59] <davmor2> evening everybody :)
  10 [17:59] <bdmurray> Hello all
  11 [18:00] <sbeattie> Hey
  12 [18:00] <heno> I've pinged cgregan
  13 [18:00] <heno> let's give him a minute
  14 [18:02] <Flare183> There his is
  15 [18:02] <pedro_> oops split
  16 [18:02] <Flare183> pedro_: yeap
  17 [18:02] <ara> oops
  18 [18:02] <Flare183> he*
  19 [18:02] <heno> ok, we can start
  20 [18:02] <heno> #startmeeting
  21 [18:03] <pedro_> no bot?
  22 [18:03]  * davmor2 hit's bot with big hammer
  23 [18:03] <heno> [TOPIC]: Outstanding items from last meeting.
  24 [18:03] <heno> always a good agenda item - but we should also start keeping a list :)
  25 [18:04]  * stgraber waves
  26 [18:05] <Flare183> another netsplit
  27 [18:05] <heno> "In a few minutes I'm going to be rebooting one of our main us hubs. This will mean some splitting, but things should come back together rather quickly. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!" -- apparently
  28 [18:05] <ogra> it was announced
  29 [18:06] <heno> let's take 5 minutes to read the log from the last meeting in the meantime
  30 [18:10] <davmor2> yay bot is back and everyone else too :)
  31 [18:11] <heno> ok, cool
  32 [18:11] <heno> let's try to continue
  33 [18:11] <heno> #startmeeting
  34 [18:12] <nickellery> @schedule Vancouver
  35 [18:12] <ubottu> nickellery: Schedule for America/Vancouver: Current meeting: QA Team | 25 Jun 15:00: Platform Team | 26 Jun 03:00: MOTU School Session - Apport retraces | 26 Jun 06:00: Desktop Team | 01 Jul 08:00:  Server Team | 02 Jul 10:00: QA Team
  36 [18:12] <heno> not quite :)
  37 [18:12]  * pedro_ kicks the bot
  38 [18:12] <heno> #startmeeting
  39 [18:12] <heno> ...
  40 [18:12] <stgraber> the meeting bot isn't here
  41 [18:12] <heno> topic: Outstanding items from last meeting
  42 [18:13] <heno> meh :(
  43 [18:13] <heno> I don't see any major outstanding issues
  44 [18:14] <davmor2> see pedro_ that's what happens when you kick the bot :)
  45 [18:14] <heno> mgunes has posted in the forums about SRU testing
  46 [18:14] <pedro_> davmor2: haha, see it works better than your hammer :-P
  47 [18:14] <heno> topic: New starter Ara Pulido
  48 [18:14] <heno> everyone welcome ara
  49 [18:14] <davmor2> welcome Ara
  50 [18:14]  * cgregan waves to Ara
  51 [18:15] <pedro_> welcome ara!
  52 [18:15]  * pedro_ hugs ara
  53 [18:15] <heno> who will be working on desktop test automation
  54 [18:15] <ara> thanks
  55 [18:15] <stgraber> welcome ara
  56 [18:15] <sbeattie> welcome ara! \o/
  57 [18:16] <heno> I'm sure we'l see interesting testing projects evolving in the next few weeks and months
  58 [18:16] <heno> We are focusing on LTSP scripting this time
  59 [18:17] <ara> LDTP?
  60 [18:17]  * ogra listens up
  61 [18:17] <stgraber> s/LTSP/LDTP/ imho
  62 [18:17] <heno> contributions are also very welcome once we have a few basics in place
  63 [18:17] <ogra> :)
  64 [18:17] <davmor2> I was beginning to wonder :)
  65 [18:17] <stgraber> even if having more coders for LTSP would be interesting too :)
  66 [18:17] <heno> ara, stgraber: just testing :)
  67 [18:17] <ogra> yea :)
  68 [18:17] <ara> haha
  69 [18:18] <heno> btw, stgraber is our local LTSP expert along with ogra
  70 [18:18] <heno> moving on
  71 [18:18] <heno> topic: 8.04.1 status
  72 [18:18] <heno> according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~sbeattie/sru_todo.html we are down to 21 targets now
  73 [18:19] <heno> only one appears to be hw-specific, which is good
  74 [18:19] <sbeattie> nss and nspr are actually false positives, I believe.
  75 [18:19] <heno> ok
  76 [18:19] <davmor2> heno: wubi is getting some love too so hopefully that should work better for .1
  77 [18:19] <ara> when is the point release?
  78 [18:20] <pedro_> middle of july?
  79 [18:20] <heno> sbeattie: you want to give a 2-line update from your POV?
  80 [18:20] <sbeattie> davmor2: yeah, thanks for Wubi testing!
  81 [18:20] <heno> I think we are aiming for early July
  82 [18:21] <davmor2> sbeattie: It's what I do :)
  83 [18:21] <sbeattie> Summary: SRU validation seems to be going along pretty well, made good progress with SRU Bug Hud day yesterday.
  84 [18:21] <sbeattie> Thanks to all who participated!
  85 [18:21] <pedro_> ara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
  86 [18:21] <heno> I don't think we have committed to a date, but before the sprint AFAIU
  87 [18:21] <sbeattie> July 3rd was the last date I heard.
  88 [18:21] <heno> right
  89 [18:21] <sbeattie> Which is coming up fast.
  90 [18:22] <heno> that's the target
  91 [18:22] <pedro_> we have a different one on the QA Schedule btw
  92 [18:22] <heno> we'll see how that goes
  93 [18:22] <sbeattie> right.
  94 [18:22] <heno> oh?
  95 [18:22] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/IntrepidSchedule <- points to be July 10th
  96 [18:22] <heno> As the QA team we should have a clear view on whether it's ready
  97 [18:23] <davmor2> it ain't ready ;)
  98 [18:23] <sbeattie> pedro_: ah, yeah, the alpha2 and 8.04.1 switching weeks with other has not been reflected there.
  99 [18:23] <heno> and if we feel elements are not we should advocate a) a delay or b) they some updates are left out
 100 [18:23] <davmor2> I think the 10th will be more realistic
 101 [18:23] <bdmurray> cjwatson swapped alpha 2 and 8.04.1 on the 18th
 102 [18:24] <bdmurray> I'll subscribe to main release schedule and update the QA team one as necessary
 103 [18:24] <heno> it would of course be good if the process were not blocked on us at that point ;)
 104 [18:24] <davmor2> I won't be here blame sbeattie ;)
 105 [18:24] <heno> thanks sbeattie for the summary
 106 [18:25] <heno> next
 107 [18:25] <heno> topic: Evaluation and Future of Hug Days
 108 [18:25] <heno> the activity seems to have slowed down a bit the past few weeks
 109 [18:25] <sbeattie> summer lull?
 110 [18:25] <pedro_> sbeattie: seems so
 111 [18:26] <heno> which I think is mainly due to it being summer
 112 [18:26] <heno> so I suggest we scale back to one day for now
 113 [18:26] <heno> when should we aim to resume 2? just after the bug jam or Septemberish?
 114 [18:27] <ara> bug jam?
 115 [18:27] <bdmurray> I think after the global bug jam would be good
 116 [18:27] <heno> Feature Freeze is Aug 28th
 117 [18:28] <davmor2> After feature freeze is good less major changes
 118 [18:28] <heno> ara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam
 119 [18:28] <pedro_> yup that's a good date
 120 [18:28] <ara> ta
 121 [18:28] <heno> pedro_: which? bj or ff?
 122 [18:28] <stgraber> after FF sounds good
 123 [18:29] <pedro_> heno: after FF
 124 [18:30] <heno> ok let's aim for after FF - with the option of picking it up after the BJ if there is a surge in interest
 125 [18:30] <heno> any other topics today?
 126 [18:30] <bdmurray> which day for the one a week bug day?
 127 [18:30] <pedro_> not from me
 128 [18:31] <heno> I would prefer Thursdays
 129 [18:31] <ara> can anyone point me to the wiki page where bug days have their schedule?
 130 [18:31] <heno> as I have a ton of meetings on tuesdays
 131 [18:31] <heno> but I'm not fussed
 132 [18:32] <pedro_> yeah i tend to be a bit swamped the first days of the week (lot of bugmail to read)
 133 [18:32] <pedro_> Thursdays are also good for me
 134 [18:32] <bdmurray> Thursday is fine with me
 135 [18:32] <sbeattie> works for me.
 136 [18:32] <heno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay is the main bug day page, but it has no schedule
 137 [18:33] <cgregan> Between 12 and 3 I am booked solid, but other than that
 138 [18:33] <heno> it has tended to be every tues and thurs
 139 [18:33] <cgregan> EST
 140 [18:33] <davmor2> the wiki has been updated for mobile-builder
 141 [18:33] <heno> it has the next day listed though
 142 [18:34] <heno> but is out of date :)
 143 [18:34] <pedro_> do you think it would be a good idea to start asking for help on setting up the hug day page at the bugsquad list or in the bugcontrol one?
 144 [18:34] <pedro_> for having more participation from the community
 145 [18:34] <heno> so a QA team meeting page type schedule would be good on that page
 146 [18:35] <pedro_> otherwise some of them didn't even noticed that there's a hug day
 147 [18:35] <ara> yes, that would be helpful
 148 [18:35] <bdmurray> I've asked in the past, I think the last sprint, and no one was interested
 149 [18:35] <heno> should we just ask a few individuals directly?
 150 [18:35] <cgregan> davmor2: :-)
 151 [18:36] <davmor2> cgregan: KVM build mean 1 line to build :)
 152 [18:36] <pedro_> heno: yep that would work better, we have a few core members that we can ask for help
 153 [18:36] <davmor2> add the ppa to the repos and then add the app:)
 154 [18:37] <heno> pedro_: will you take an action to try that?
 155 [18:37] <pedro_> heno: sure, i'll do it
 156 [18:37] <heno> ok great
 157 [18:37] <heno> any further topics?
 158 [18:38] <bdmurray> I've been working on the wiki a fair bit and my .moin_aliases file is quite long now.  Would anyone be interested in sharing these somehow?
 159 [18:38] <heno> bdmurray: what does that do exactly?
 160 [18:39] <bdmurray> a moin_aliases file is just shortcuts to wiki pages
 161 [18:39]  * heno should probably know having helped set up the Ubuntu wiki
 162 [18:39] <sbeattie> that'd be useful.
 163 [18:39] <bdmurray> so you can use editmoin debug-usplash
 164 [18:39] <heno> ok
 165 [18:39] <bdmurray> and it'll expand to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUsplash
 166 [18:39] <ara> that is helpful :-)
 167 [18:40] <sbeattie> bdmurray: though perhaps you're the biggest/sole user of ~/.moin_aliases, apparentl7.
 168 [18:40] <heno> should we set up a bzr branch?
 169 [18:40] <davmor2> bdmurray: I didn't get chance to play with any images in the end :(
 170 [18:40] <bdmurray> It seems silly for one file but the best idea at the same time
 171 [18:41] <sbeattie> well, should we have a bzr branch for generally useful qa things?
 172 [18:41] <sbeattie> (not sure what else should go in that yet)
 173 [18:41] <bdmurray> leann and I set one up for canonical specific things, however a general bugsquad one might be good too
 174 [18:42] <heno> that could include the vim bug day script too
 175 [18:42] <bdmurray> Throwing in the bugs mailing list scripts might be good too
 176 [18:42] <davmor2> sbeattie: it could include the script for dl-ing the isos
 177 [18:42] <davmor2> too
 178 [18:42] <heno> and greasemonkey scripts perhaps
 179 [18:42] <sbeattie> davmor2: excellent suggestion!
 180 [18:42] <ara> cool, that would save a lot of time to new starters ;-)
 181 [18:42] <heno> oh, lots of good ideas :)
 182 [18:42] <bdmurray> the greasemonkey scripts are a separate project, which I really think is best
 183 [18:43] <bdmurray> As thought might want to be used by other launchpad projects
 184 [18:43] <heno> bdmurray: can you organise this?
 185 [18:43] <ara> i can imagine myself trying to do something and after a couple of hours someone saying "but we already have a script for that"
 186 [18:43] <ara> :D
 187 [18:43] <bdmurray> heno: sure
 188 [18:43] <davmor2> ara: we did say just ask ;)
 189 [18:43] <heno> perhaps we should also set up an ubuntu-qa LP team again so devs can find us
 190 [18:44] <sbeattie> Oh, as an aside, I should mention laserjock/Jordan Mantha and I have set up an sru-tools project: https://launchpad.net/sru-tools
 191 [18:44] <heno> I was in a motu sru meeting where several people claimed that Ubuntu QA did not exist because we were not in LP :)
 192 [18:44] <sbeattie> heno: agreed, or rename canonical-qa LP team
 193 [18:45] <heno> sbeattie: canonical-qa has a separate function
 194 [18:45] <heno> relating to bugs escalated from support etc
 195 [18:45] <davmor2> heno: there you go the second tier to iso testers :)
 196 [18:45] <sbeattie> heno: Oh! Makes sense. And now I understand the bugs I get being subscribed to that team. :-)
 197 [18:46] <bdmurray> lol
 198 [18:46] <heno> should we make it hierarchical or just an umbrella team?
 199 [18:46] <pedro_> haha
 200 [18:46] <heno> heh
 201 [18:46] <pedro_> an umbrella is ok
 202 [18:46] <heno> so people in bug control and testing are members - bugsquad too?
 203 [18:47] <pedro_> yup, they're part of the ubuntu-qa ;-)
 204 [18:47] <bdmurray> Hrm, bug control would be every developer then
 205 [18:47] <heno> hm, so perhaps only bugsquad?
 206 [18:47] <ara> i am not in any of those teams yet
 207 [18:47] <bdmurray> heno: what is the point of the team again?
 208 [18:48] <heno> bdmurray: to raise our visibility as a QA team in he dev community and host common tools like that bzr branch
 209 [18:49] <persia> I'd suggest including bugcontrol won't hurt.  It might be nice if more developers were reminded that they are also QA.
 210 [18:49] <davmor2> ara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Isoscript
 211 [18:49] <davmor2> for the dl script :)
 212 [18:50] <ara> :-) thanks davmor2
 213 [18:51] <sbeattie> Perhaps related, are there other things we should be doing to raise our visibility and encourage more community participation?
 214 [18:51] <heno> will this cause lots of spam if people start assigning/subscribing bugs to ubuntu-qa?
 215 [18:51] <heno> which will happen
 216 [18:51] <persia> Only if there isn't also an ubuntu-qa mailing list.
 217 [18:52] <heno> which we don't really want to flood with bugmail
 218 [18:52] <persia> For Ubuntu Universe Sponsors we created a mailing list, with optional subscription.  Those members who like bugmail subscribe, and those that consider it spam don't.
 219 [18:52] <persia> Could be ubuntu-qa-bugs...
 220 [18:52] <bdmurray> persia: is than an lp mailing list or not?
 221 [18:53] <persia> bdmurray: For UUS, it's an ubuntuwire list (UUS predates LP MLs)
 222 [18:53] <heno> though that makes it seem like we _want_ people assigning/subscribing bugs to ubuntu-qa :)
 223 [18:53] <heno> and we haven't defined the purpose of that yet
 224 [18:54] <persia> It will happen anyway (currently happens for MOTU), but can be discouraged.  Active people will learn, and the rest will go away.
 225 [18:55] <heno> cgregan: you've set up a bunch of LP teams recently; could you look into possible structures for this and their implications?
 226 [18:55] <heno> then we can consider a few options at the next meeting (and whether we need this at all)
 227 [18:56] <cgregan> heno: sure
 228 [18:56] <heno> thanks
 229 [18:56] <persia> I think it has PR value, even if it's essentially useless for coordination.
 230 [18:56] <heno> could well be
 231 [18:56] <heno> #endmeeting
 232 [18:56] <heno> thanks everyone
 233 [18:57] <pedro_> thanks!
 234 [18:57] <sbeattie> thanks!
 235 [18:57] <ara> thanks!
 236 [18:57] <davmor2> thanks back :)
 237 [18:57] <stgraber> thanks!