The ScreencastTeam meetings are scheduled for every two weeks. Meetings are held at #ubuntu-meeting, irc.freenode.net. They are open for everyone interested and/or participating in the ScreencastTeam.
When: 24 September 2007
Where: #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net
Chaired By: AlanPope
Agenda for this meeting
- Action points from last meeting
- Current status
- Month Of Screencasts 2007 progress
- Next meeting schedule
- Consider a meeting to assist Aus members attendance
We are behind in the MoS2007 project
- Popey blames it all on himself and his family...
- So the MoS will become two months so that no 11 - 30 can be released when they are ready
- Andrew Gee, iGadget are unable to contribute in the near future
- Possibility of the use of mebeam.com, or other voip service to host meetings instead of irc
- Was mentioned that Ubuntu-UK team uses asterisk, SIP
- Translations of screencasts into other languages
- Noted that subtitles in screencasts only appear for 2 seconds
- Mentioned OGG's support of multiple audio tracks, but having to "remaster" the ogg every time another language track is recorded will bloat the ogg file
Possibility of putting screencasts for each app on the ubuntu DVD. Suggestion of accessing them in Help>Videos menu in any application
- Possibility of using Festival (Text to speech) for the screencasts raised
- Noted that 1024x768 is fine for non-MoS screencasts, but higher resolution is needed for MoS screencasts
- Side note: What resolution is used for the MoS screencasts anyway?
- Next meeting to aid Australian Member's attendance (yay, that's me!).
- Next meeting to occur on the weekend of Oct 13 2007
- 4am UTC time proposed as a joke
Side note: 4am UTC = 2pm AEST
20:00:27 < popey> Bong! 20:00:33 < popey> Screencast Team meeting starts 20:00:50 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Meeting20070924 20:00:57 < popey> short agenda for today :) 20:01:04 < popey> anyone here for the meeting? 20:01:18 < spd106> I'm here again 20:01:36 -!- bryce_ [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:01:48 < popey> yay 20:01:58 * iGadget here :) 20:02:05 < popey> * Action points from last meeting 20:02:12 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Meeting20070910 20:02:45 < popey> hmm, most of that will become part of the next item, so will just jump to it 20:02:53 < popey> * Current status 20:02:59 < popey> We are behind again :( 20:03:06 < popey> I blame 3 things:- 20:03:16 < popey> 1. Having two children whose birthdays are in september 20:03:21 < popey> 2. Having a week holiday 20:03:28 < popey> 3. Me being lazy ;) 20:03:59 < popey> So it looks like I won't be able to make 20 more screencasts before the end of the month to take us from the last one (10) to the 30th 20:04:20 < popey> So I suggest that instead I will carry on making them, numbering them 11-30 but releasing them when they're ready 20:04:33 < popey> Which means the month of screencasts lasts for about 2 months 20:04:56 < popey> which is of course disappointing 20:05:00 < popey> but it was a mad plan anyway 20:05:22 < popey> I would rather continue to make high quality screencasts than churn out 20 small ones of low quality 20:05:30 < popey> how does that sound? 20:05:30 < spd106> I agree 20:05:47 < popey> should I put an announcement on the site? 20:06:00 < popey> we have already had people asking in comments about when the next ones will be out, where they are, what has happened.. 20:06:24 < popey> I have one that I made today that I will upload tomorrow, I propose uloading then posting a comment afterwards detailing the revised plan 20:06:41 < iGadget> sounds like a plan 20:06:45 < popey> we have also lost Andrew Gee which is a resource less for making screencasts 20:06:47 < popey> which doesn't help 20:07:09 * iGadget coughs 20:07:12 -!- hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-0fc3ba3afaa5395c] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:07:13 < popey> Ok, I will publish this next one "Updates & Upgrades" tomorrow and put an announcement in 20:07:33 < popey> yeah, I also need to upload some of the queue that built up 20:07:41 < iGadget> Alan, there's a chance I'll have to step down as well :( 20:07:47 < popey> oh dear 20:07:58 < iGadget> Allthough I haven't contributed that much yet 20:08:03 < popey> heh :) 20:08:19 < popey> Hey, I'm happy to get any contributions at all, no pressure on anyone 20:08:33 < popey> It's not like the screencasts are going to delay the release of Ubuntu :) 20:08:37 < popey> (not this release anyway ;) 20:08:53 < popey> I am pragmatic if nothing else 20:09:08 < popey> I need to also look at revising the plan now I am back from holiday 20:09:26 < popey> I shall mail the list with the plan I had and see if we can get a discussion going on what screencasts people want 20:09:31 < popey> or maybe ask on the site? 20:09:43 < iGadget> Perhaps both? 20:09:45 < popey> Post a message asking for requests as comments? 20:09:47 < popey> yeah, good idea 20:10:01 < spd106> Are we going to use 7.10 for all screencasts? 20:10:08 < popey> good question 20:10:10 < popey> yes and no 20:10:20 < popey> the updates & upgrades one I did today uses dapper, edgy, feisty and gutsy :) 20:10:33 < popey> for the most part 7.10 would seem like a good target 20:10:42 < spd106> It's just the background in Gutsy changed recently 20:10:45 < popey> as it will soon be released, so it means the screencasts are "relavent" 20:10:51 < popey> yeah, i noticed that today :) 20:10:56 < popey> these things will happen 20:11:02 < iGadget> it's an improvement, though 20:11:13 < popey> on all screencasts that feature gutsy I do try to mention that its based on a development release 20:11:18 -!- bryce_ [email@example.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:11:38 < popey> And I don't expect gutsy to change _that_ much between now and oct 19th 20:11:40 < popey> 18th 20:11:52 < popey> a few cosmetic things isn't a major deal 20:12:03 < iGadget> maybe it's a bit far off, but should we focus on moving to 8.04 as soon as it's usable, since it'll be an LTS? 20:12:11 < popey> heheh 20:12:20 < popey> it won't be usable until the end of the year :) 20:12:27 < popey> at least 20:12:30 < iGadget> okay, too far off then ;) 20:12:54 < popey> in my experience the delta between one release and the next is actually pretty small 20:13:09 < popey> if you compare dapper and gutsy there's quite a difference, but compare edgy and feisty and the difference is much less 20:13:18 < popey> there are changes of course, and we should be aware of them 20:13:21 < spd106> It's not like we'll be using KDE 4 20:13:24 < popey> but I don't think we should fret about it too much 20:13:26 < popey> no, indeed 20:13:38 < popey> ok, that's current status 20:13:45 < iGadget> what about (I'm brainstorming here)... 'scripting' the screencasts so they can be redone easily in another version? 20:13:55 < popey> they are _kinda_ scripted 20:13:57 -!- bryce_ [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:14:02 < popey> but not too much 20:14:08 < popey> you mean a storyboard type thing? 20:14:22 < iGadget> no, I mean an automated kind of thing 20:14:27 < popey> oh 20:14:28 < iGadget> I don't know if it's possible 20:14:34 < popey> me neither 20:14:43 < iGadget> would it be worth investigating? 20:14:48 < popey> worth a thought, yes 20:15:18 < popey> sorry, i was thinking then :) 20:15:28 < popey> will note that and we could have a chat on the list about it 20:15:28 < iGadget> np, I'm a slow reader ;) 20:15:34 < popey> g o o d 20:15:56 < popey> any questions/comments about the curent status? 20:16:23 < popey> * Month Of Screencasts 2007 progress 20:16:36 < popey> 10 of 30 complete, to be 11 of 30 tomorrow 20:16:44 < popey> more ideas needed - as mentioned 20:17:13 < popey> will mail the list and canvas opinion on the site 20:17:28 < popey> blimey, that's it 20:17:38 < popey> fastest meeting ever 20:17:48 < popey> any further questions, comments or points you guys want to talk about 20:17:49 < iGadget> geez... and it's my first :) 20:17:50 < popey> we have some time 20:18:27 < popey> ok 20:18:35 * iGadget thinks 20:18:51 < spd106> Where's the MoS schedule again? I've lost it 20:19:15 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MonthOfScreencasts 20:19:29 < spd106> Oh yeah 20:19:33 < popey> :) 20:19:51 < popey> i should be uploading two tomorrow 20:19:59 < popey> assuming I get a nice quiet house to work in :S 20:20:16 < popey> (which is a big issue here - screaming babies in the background of a screencast don't sound good) :) 20:20:44 -!- Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:20:55 < popey> Matthew Rossi asked if we could have a meeting that was at a time when he could attend - he is in Aus 20:21:03 < popey> so he ideally wanted one on a weekend 20:21:11 < iGadget> just a suggestion about meeting on IRC... you guys know mebeam.com? 20:21:32 < popey> I didn't, but I do now 20:22:01 < popey> thing about irc is that it has a very low barrier to entry 20:22:13 < popey> many of the web conferencing systems require flash, a webcam, a mic etc 20:22:19 < iGadget> true, if you're a good typist ;) 20:22:19 < spd106> Do you need a camera? 20:22:27 < popey> looks like it 20:22:31 < iGadget> for mebeam.com, you do yes 20:22:56 < spd106> That'll be tricky then 20:23:11 < popey> it reduces the potential people who could join I guess? 20:23:26 < popey> given every other team meets on irc.. 20:23:27 < iGadget> okay, perhaps that's too much then. But what about audio converencing? 20:23:35 < popey> iGadget: interesting point 20:23:44 < popey> the Ubuntu-UK loco team are looking at using asterisk 20:23:51 < popey> to do call conferencing via SIP or something 20:24:02 < iGadget> I figure most people involved in screencasts would have a mic... ;) 20:24:03 < popey> needs a mic and a reasonable net connection 20:24:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Mez 20:24:07 < popey> heh :) 20:24:20 < popey> the problem with all the video/audio conferences is logging though 20:24:27 < popey> i can easily copy/paste this log into the wiki, job done 20:24:35 < iGadget> true, true 20:24:35 < popey> with the audio/video ones someone has to transcribe it 20:24:44 < Daviey> SIP: ^ anybody wanna help test? 20:24:49 < popey> heh :) 20:25:07 < popey> I will test with you another time yes Daviey :) 20:25:18 < popey> for those that don't know, Daviey is the expert on Asterisk around here 20:25:22 < popey> and voip in general 20:25:27 < iGadget> cool 20:25:30 < Daviey> 'expert' hmm :P 20:25:40 * iGadget should get his audio setup working first ;) 20:25:54 < spd106> What about a SIP screencast Davey? 20:26:00 < popey> heh 20:26:03 < iGadget> hehe :) 20:26:08 < popey> we have that scheduled actually 20:26:16 < Daviey> Isn't there already an ekiga screencast? 20:26:17 < popey> one all about voip 20:26:22 < popey> not one of ours no Daviey 20:26:32 < popey> i was thinking something more general, not necessarily just ekiga 20:26:32 < iGadget> ekiga would be nice... since it's already shipping with ubuntu 20:26:37 < popey> agreed 20:26:44 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MonthOfScreencasts 20:26:47 < iGadget> (never got it working, though) 20:26:49 < popey> ^ look at the bottom of that page :) 20:26:54 < iGadget> okay, will do 20:26:59 < popey> "ekiga" :) 20:27:08 < popey> just needs someone to make it :) 20:27:11 * iGadget should check the page more often 20:27:19 < popey> you could subscribe to it :) 20:27:21 < Daviey> Well i'm not sure how much you could cover.. Would either need to be reallly high level - or pretty lowlevel (technical and ~20mins) 20:28:00 < popey> 30 mins isn't unreasonable 20:28:06 < popey> i made a 40 min one today :) 20:28:13 < Daviey> eager beaver 20:28:24 < popey> anyway, can I just get the next meeting date out of the way 20:28:33 < popey> I propose the weekend of the 13th october 20:28:40 < popey> to allow the aussies to join in 20:28:50 < popey> thats over 2 weeks away 20:29:03 < popey> but with our slim agenda I don't think that's an issue? 20:29:09 < iGadget> I have one proposal about subtitles, if we're done with the SIP thing :) 20:29:21 < popey> go ahead 20:29:42 < iGadget> there are a lot of subs now that are on screen for less than 2 secs now 20:29:46 < iGadget> thats _really_ fast 20:30:01 < popey> hmm, I talk too fast? 20:30:01 < iGadget> most people I checked can't read that fast 20:30:05 < iGadget> maybe 20:30:09 < spd106> yep 20:30:19 < iGadget> but what I usually do is merge two subs together 20:30:33 < iGadget> in most cases, that's enough 20:30:36 < spd106> It's either short time or they take up too much screen space 20:30:45 < iGadget> indeed, that does occur 20:30:49 < popey> so it would be better if I talk slower, say less? 20:30:59 < popey> leave big gaps :) 20:30:59 -!- lbm [email@example.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:31:00 < iGadget> especially in languages that need 'more space' :) 20:31:03 < popey> heh 20:31:13 < popey> like Deutsch? 20:31:18 < Daviey> Did you guys find a solution to multi-audio track? 20:31:21 < iGadget> like nederlands ;) 20:31:24 < popey> ahhh 20:31:32 < iGadget> deutsch probably as well 20:31:33 < popey> Daviey: ogg does support multiple audio tracks 20:31:47 < popey> but the problem is we would have to keep remastering every time someone made a new audio track 20:31:49 < popey> and re-encode 20:32:00 < popey> and they would bloat up with multiple languages on board 20:32:04 < iGadget> it would be very sweet if we could figure out a way to do that smoothly 20:32:07 < popey> likely easier to keep them separate 20:32:18 < iGadget> mmmkay... true 20:32:25 < popey> ok iGadget and spd106 I will endeavour to speak slower 20:32:31 < popey> and leave some pauses for text 20:32:34 < popey> sorry about that 20:32:44 < iGadget> no prob, we all live and learn ;) 20:32:50 < popey> indeed 20:32:56 < spd106> The applications screencast was particularly bad 20:32:57 < popey> this is exactly why we have these meetings :) 20:33:09 < popey> because there is a lot in it done very quickly? 20:33:09 < iGadget> precisely :) 20:33:21 < spd106> yes, too much really 20:33:25 < popey> ok 20:33:37 < popey> I will bear that in mind for future screencasts 20:33:53 < popey> one problem I worry about is that if I go to slow it might get boring 20:33:54 < spd106> It was still very good 20:33:57 < popey> people might nod off 20:34:02 < popey> it's okay spd106 I can take it ;) 20:34:46 < iGadget> Well it's quite easy to see - if you're making english subtitles which are on screen less that 2 seconds, that's suspicious 20:34:56 < popey> haha 20:35:00 < iGadget> usually that's too fast 20:35:02 < popey> like small print on a tv advert 20:35:16 < iGadget> ghehe... something like that ;) 20:35:19 < popey> "Warning, the value of your house may go down as well as up,..." 20:35:38 < popey> ok, point taken, will fix that in future ones 20:35:44 < iGadget> * toll free number, only connection charges apply ($10,-) 20:35:46 < popey> lucky we're only 1/3rd the way through then :) 20:35:49 < popey> :) 20:36:07 < spd106> Did you get the flash streaming working? 20:36:14 -!- Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36:28 < popey> the subtitles in the flash streaming? 20:36:31 < spd106> yes 20:36:34 < popey> no, not yet 20:36:47 < popey> but I haven't spent much time on that 20:36:54 < spd106> ok 20:36:56 < popey> will do though 20:37:20 < spd106> Don't spend too much on that, it can be sorted out later 20:37:26 < popey> sure 20:37:34 < popey> I spent too long on it the week before holiday 20:37:46 < popey> will concentrate on making the screencasts for now 20:37:49 < iGadget> so... what about the long term - how are we going to keep track on screencasts that are no longer acurate and need to be updated? 20:38:01 < popey> well iGadget that's a very good point# 20:38:10 < popey> the one I made today in effect replaces one I made a year ago 20:38:22 < popey> and the installing one supplements the installation one I did a year ago too 20:38:34 < spd106> deja vu 20:38:41 < popey> I guess I could put a note on the old ones "obsolete - please see this screencast" with a link to the newer ones 20:38:57 < iGadget> perhaps it would be a good idea to mention which ubuntu versions are affected by the screencast? 20:38:58 < popey> the ones this year are more comprehensive though 20:39:05 < iGadget> in the screencast itself? 20:39:05 < popey> i try to tag them on the site 20:39:25 < popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/43 <- only gutsy ones 20:39:33 < spd106> Tag them with Ubuntu release or just the date? 20:39:41 < iGadget> maybe both :) 20:39:46 < popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/35 only dapper 20:39:55 < iGadget> there might be screencasts which can last for ages 20:40:01 < iGadget> like the one about free software 20:40:05 < popey> yeah 20:40:30 < iGadget> other ones can become obsolete in the next version, there's no way to be sure in advance I guess 20:40:35 < popey> indeed 20:40:44 < spd106> New ones every six months 20:40:44 < popey> although to be fair the ones about dapper are still accurate 20:40:50 < popey> dapper is a current supported release 20:40:53 -!- fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:41:11 < popey> there is a wider plan here 20:41:17 < popey> don't know if I explained previously did I? 20:41:26 < popey> to put screencasts directly in ubuntu 20:41:37 < spd106> On the DVD? 20:41:48 < popey> not sure yet, probably online, streamed 20:41:57 < popey> so you can go to Help --> Videos in any app 20:42:01 < iGadget> sweet! 20:42:06 < popey> and get a window come up with a selection of videos 20:42:18 < popey> that would need some major management 20:42:27 < iGadget> that would surely beat the crap out of MS online support 20:42:30 < popey> and all the stuff we are learning about during MoS can feed into this 20:42:38 < popey> so the feedback I get from you guys is great 20:42:48 < popey> it's still an early plan 20:43:01 < iGadget> but... that will require massive amounts of work 20:43:06 < popey> yup :) 20:43:11 < iGadget> do we have enough manpower to do this? 20:43:13 < popey> they would be short videos 20:43:23 < popey> seconds or minutes long 20:43:32 < spd106> It's more online integration too 20:43:34 < popey> showing how to do specific tasks 20:43:36 -!- airjump [n=MZ@p508AC547.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:43:39 < popey> yeah, needs a lot of work 20:43:42 < iGadget> which... can be combined to create entire screencasts? 20:43:45 -!- asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:43:54 < popey> yeah, watch them all back to back 20:43:55 < popey> :) 20:44:08 < iGadget> a 'lego' sort of screencast-building? nice :) 20:44:23 < popey> yeah, I like the building blocks analogy 20:44:31 < popey> they could be tagged and rated 20:44:36 < spd106> Going back to the scripting thought... would festival be any use? 20:44:47 < popey> festival the text to speech thing? 20:44:54 < spd106> yeah 20:44:57 < popey> useful for? 20:45:06 < spd106> automating screencast 20:45:14 < popey> I don't know. how do you mean? 20:45:21 < iGadget> my idea about scripting was about the visual part only, but if festival is good? 20:45:33 < iGadget> I haven't played with it yet 20:45:39 < spd106> It cuts the work down a little 20:46:01 < iGadget> yes, but if it cuts down the quality too much, I'm not sure if it's an improvement... 20:46:23 < iGadget> the audiotrack is key to getting the user involved IMHO 20:46:28 < popey> you mean, get festival to "read" the script? 20:46:35 < spd106> Yes 20:46:37 < popey> ahhh 20:46:53 < popey> is festival any good? :) 20:47:04 < popey> i haven't tried it for some time 20:47:07 < spd106> No idea, just read about it recently 20:47:20 < popey> to be honest the audio part is not that time consuming 20:47:22 < iGadget> do you know radiohead's 'OK computer'? ;) 20:47:31 < popey> its prep, recording the video and editing it that takes the time 20:47:39 < popey> the audio takes about as long as the video is in length 20:47:49 < popey> if I make a 40 min video the audio takes 40 mins to make (roughly) 20:48:04 < popey> but it takes 2+hours to make a 30 min video 20:48:31 < iGadget> so I guess we'd gain much more time in getting the video part smoothed out.. right? 20:49:25 < popey> yeah, and that's not easy 20:49:45 < popey> some of it is planning - figuring out what I am going to video.. 20:49:47 < iGadget> besides of automated scripting making re-recording a lot easier, could it help save time in the initial recording process? 20:49:48 < popey> some of it is videoing 20:49:59 < popey> i doubt it would help much to be honest 20:50:12 < popey> one day I will create the "how to make a screencast, screencast" that people keep asking me for 20:50:44 < spd106> You could then run a competition for the final screencast 20:50:48 < iGadget> well, if you really want users to assist you, I suppose that one has a top priority... 20:51:08 < popey> iGadget: i have written it up on the wiki :) 20:51:15 < popey> I am not sure this is the thing that stops people 20:51:19 < popey> people know how to create them 20:51:26 < iGadget> eh... 20:51:41 < popey> I am not sure that "knowing how to create a screencast" is what stops people making them 20:51:50 < popey> they know how to make them, but they don't have the time to do it? 20:51:55 < iGadget> I don't, but I'm just plain lazy besides having way to little time, so nevermind me ;) 20:51:58 < popey> it's quicker/easier to make a wiki page then a screencast 20:52:07 < popey> exactly :) 20:52:15 < popey> nothing wrong with that, that's just the problem we have 20:52:22 < popey> people don't have time to commit to something like this 20:52:28 < spd106> Would you accept lower res screencasts? 20:52:41 < spd106> 1024x768 is all I have 20:52:43 < popey> which I why I am glad that I can get on and make them and you guys can transcribe/translate them 20:52:57 < iGadget> I thought 1024x768 was okay? 20:52:58 < popey> for non-mos2007, yes, definately 20:53:06 < popey> we already have some at 1024x768 20:53:16 < iGadget> eh... what's mos2007? 20:53:23 < popey> Month Of Screencast 2007 20:53:24 < popey> :) 20:53:31 * iGadget bangs himself on the head 20:53:36 < iGadget> darn... stupid :) 20:53:42 < iGadget> sorry 20:53:42 < popey> i.e. if it's "just" a screencast, not specifically for MoS, then yes, 1024x768 is great 20:53:45 < popey> np 20:53:50 < popey> silly acronym 20:54:08 < popey> the only reason is that I specifically wanted 30 high quality, high res ones 20:54:24 < spd106> That's what I thought 20:54:29 < popey> if you see the front page of the site there are 3 that are 1024x768 :) 20:54:39 -!- asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:40 -!- asac_ is now known as asac 20:54:49 -!- mayeco [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 20:54:52 < popey> what's important is consistent quality 20:55:03 < iGadget> but... If we are going to start with this building-block thing, then we should agree on one res only, right? 20:55:13 < popey> oh that's not coming for a while :) 20:55:25 < popey> i wouldn't start thinking too seriously about that until about November :) 20:55:39 < popey> (after UDS Boston) :) 20:55:45 < iGadget> okay... so what about smoothing the creation process, would that be doable? 20:56:02 < iGadget> working with the istanbul team for example? 20:56:33 < iGadget> I mean, making the creating process much simpler and less time consuming? 20:56:50 < popey> yeah, I had a meeting with jono about this.. he had some ideas about this subject 20:56:58 < popey> he suggested a screencasting application 20:57:08 < iGadget> ghehe... his Next Big Thing after Jokosher? :D 20:57:11 < popey> one that gave you a window inside which you have a nested session or something 20:57:13 < popey> heh 20:57:18 < popey> and recorded it 20:57:22 < jono> iGadget: oi! :) 20:57:26 < popey> there are already tools that can do this but they are non free 20:57:34 < iGadget> jono! :D 20:57:42 < popey> and anyway I don't think this would shave massive amounts off the time 20:57:48 < popey> it would make it easier, thats for sure 20:58:04 < popey> we're running out of time 20:58:04 < iGadget> one sec, brb 20:58:16 < popey> I will bring all these things up on the list for further discussion 20:58:25 < popey> so we can get the ideas fleshed out 20:58:47 < spd106> Have we agreed on the next meeting time? 20:59:04 * iGadget back 20:59:58 < iGadget> okay... I for one would surely love to contribute more, but the current process is just way to much work for me, sorry :( 21:00:18 < iGadget> and with contribute I mean creating screencasts, redubbing them etc. 21:01:05 * iGadget thinks perhaps he should just quit his dayjob... 21:01:12 < iGadget> loads of time :) 21:01:51 < popey> spd106: I will figure out a time and mail the list 21:02:00 < popey> need to find out what time Aus is awake :) 21:02:14 < popey> heh, thats what I did iGadget :) 21:02:34 < iGadget> geez... so who's paying your bills now? :) 21:02:50 < iGadget> canonical? :D 21:02:57 < popey> heh 21:03:01 < popey> I am on "holiday" 21:03:15 < popey> spending time at home with the family, and when they stop bothering me, I make screencasts :) 21:03:23 < iGadget> gheheh 21:03:26 < iGadget> I know the feeling 21:03:44 < popey> ok, so I will paste a summary of this to the wiki 21:03:45 * iGadget just tucked in his gf, babbling in her sleep again ;) 21:03:49 < popey> :) 21:03:58 < popey> and mail the list with the subjects we have talked about 21:04:05 < iGadget> great 21:04:11 < popey> and update the site with a status update 21:04:17 < popey> thanks for the input guys, much appreciated 21:04:28 < iGadget> np, thanks for listening ;) 21:04:30 < popey> next meeting likely to be oct 13th/14th 21:04:54 < spd106> ok 21:04:57 < iGadget> that's a weekend, good choice 21:05:08 < popey> oh, good :) 21:05:15 < popey> you might not say that when you see the time ;) 21:05:18 < popey> 4am! 21:05:21 < popey> (just kidding) 21:05:28 < iGadget> ;) 21:05:35 < popey> right, cheers chaps, wifey calls :)