* Meeting 2010-11-02
  * Chair: Kees Cook
  * Present: Martin Pitt, Matt Zimmerman, Colin Watson, Mark Shuttleworth
  * Apologies: Scott James Remnant
  * Guests: Emmet Hikory

  * Action review
   * Colin to ensure that documentation on nature of extras.ubuntu.com archive makes it into process docs, and ensure that ARB legality checks are synchronised with those of ubuntu-archive. '''carry over'''
   * Matt to follow up with Brian on 174375 '''DONE'''

  * Dynamic "per package upload permissions" for Debian Developers
   * Supported in theory, formal proposal desired, since the details will be the hard part.

  * Micro release exception request for Chromium
   * Approved and documented.

  * Quarterly Brainstorm review
   * [ACTION] Matt to write up Quarterly Brainstorm review and send to TB mailing list.

  * TB meeting moved to 1500 UTC

  * Next chair: sabdfl

 * Meeting 2010-11-16
  * Chair: Martin Pitt
  * Present: Colin Watson, Kees Cook, Scott James Remnant
  * Guests: Scott Kitterman, Allison Randall, John Lenton, Eric Casteleijn

  * Action review
   * Colin to ensure that documentation on nature of extras.ubuntu.com archive makes it into process docs, and ensure that ARB legality checks are synchronised with those of ubuntu-archive. '''DONE'''
   * Matt to write up Quarterly Brainstorm review and send to TB mailing list. '''DONE'''

  * KDE micro version update exception
   * upstream policy draft: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Minor_Point_Release_Policy/Draft
   * Proposed policy: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy
   * Approved with 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained
   * Martin added this to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions

  * couchdb on lucid: backport 1.0
   * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-November/000563.html
   * UbuntuOne cloud servers got updated to couchdb 1.0 to handle the load and SSL
   * According to README and James Westby, the 0.10 -> 1.0 upgrade needs to be done manually for the system wide instance
   * Impact on per-user couchdbs to be clarified
   * API is said to not have changed "much", but any change will break existing couchdb applications, and thus needs to be clarified and evaluated
   * will cause problems with shared home directories and clients with mixed 1.0/0.1 packages
   * To be investigated by U1 team: introduce couchdb-1.0 package into lucid; what other packages need to be changed, what's the impact?
   * To be re-discussed at next meeting with more information on the wiki page

  * ARB exception proposal
   * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/MaverickExceptionsProposal
   * Public python libraries shouldn't be a matter for these packages
   * Private libraries could be kept in the app dir by setting sys.path
    * Can quickly templates be updated in lucid to automatically add the application dir to sys.path?
    * Non-quickly apps would have a requirement to set this up by themselves; is that practical?
   * .pyc files are not a must, so we could ship maverick packages without them
   * general opinion was that making an exception for desktop files only would be okay
   * Some discussion whether using a vendor prefix in /opt would make sense

  * Next chair: sabdfl (carried over)

 * Meeting 2010-11-30
  * Log: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20101130_0859.html
  * Chair: Matt Zimmerman
  * Other members present: Martin Pitt
  * Guests: Allison Randall, John Lenton, Eric Casteleijn, Rick Spencer, Stuart Langridge, Emmet Hikory

  * Action review
   * KDE microversion SRU docs - done
  * [[http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20101130_0859.html#3|couchdb lucid backport SRU - John Lenton]]
   * Continuation from the previous meeting
   * We enumerated options for the Ubuntu One team to restore lost functionality in Ubuntu 10.04 resulting from the CouchDB 1.0 server-side update. The options supported by the TB members present were:
    * option 1: parallel package couchdb 1.0, update desktopcouch to use it, and release via SRU exception
    * option 3: update couchdb to 1.0 in backports, superseding 0.1 in lucid
    * option 4: do nothing, focus on natty, move on
   * The U1 team will decide which option to pursue based on available resources and business considerations 
  * [[http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20101130_0859.html#5|ARB exception proposal - Allison Randal]]
   * Continuation from the previous meeting
   * Allison's proposal was supported by the TB members present:
    * Allow .desktop files to be installed outside /opt.
    * In Natty, we'll modify Quickly, cdbs, python-support, and related packages o support installation in /opt.
    * For Maverick, accept that .pyc files and version symlinks won't be generated for Python libraries.
    * For Maverick, ARB will perform manual package fixes on proposed applications, to install in /opt and load libraries from /opt.
    * Binaries only in /opt (no exceptions for Maverick), will not be in $PATH.
    * Official install location is /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/ (with version number? i.e. "/opt/extras.ubuntu.com/foo-1.5")