* Meeting 2011-06-02 * Chair: Matt Zimmerman * Present: Scott James Remnant, Kees Cook * Apologies: Colin Watson, Mark Shuttleworth * Meeting transcript and topical links: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110602_1256.html * ffmpeg vs. libav * The ffmpeg project has forked upstream into ffmpeg and libav * Ubuntu is currently shipping libav only, because the ffmpeg package maintainer chose to package this version * The consensus of the Technical Board at the meeting was to regard these as separate software projects, which implies: * The choice of what to package is rightfully made by the maintainer. The Technical Board does not decide what software individual maintainers choose to package. * If another developer wished to package ffmpeg for Ubuntu, this would be welcome * If that were to happen, we would address any technical conflicts as they arose * Setting the Ubuntu series release manager in Launchpad to ubuntu-release * This was proposed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375/comments/21 * Bug Bug:451390 is now fixed, so this can proceed * The TB members present at this meeting did not feel confident enough to make a decision about whether we should proceed immediately, and wanted more input from members familiar with archive administration * Deferred to the next meeting * Measuring installation success/failure * Evan Dandrea proposed that we collect data on successful vs. failed installation attempts from end users * The TB was asked for a policy ruling on whether this would be acceptable, or under what conditions * Various concerns have been raised, including: * Implementation considerations, such as whether useful data can be collected without leaking identifying information * Utility considerations, such as whether this data would in fact be useful for improving the installer * Privacy considerations, such as whether it is appropriate require explicit consent from the user before sharing this data * Transparency considerations, such as whether the raw data collected should be shared with the general public * The discussion in the meeting focused mainly on the privacy concerns * No clear consensus was reached, and clearly more discussion is necessary * To be continued by email and in the next TB meeting * Policy proposal for partner repository * Nicolas Barcet submitted a proposal for a technical policy to be applied to packages in the Canonical partner repository: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-May/000875.html * There was some discussion of whether this policy should be unified across the Canonical partner repositories and the -extras repositories * It was suggested that some reference should be made to the Ubuntu Policy Manual * To be continued by email (time pressure) * Launchpad stakeholder for Ubuntu project * Bryce Harrington confirmed his willingness act as a Launchpad stakeholder on behalf of Ubuntu * ubuntu-techboard celebrity in Launchpad * Francis Lacoste proposed a code change to Launchpad which would affect the permission model for Ubuntu branches, and asked for input from the technical board * No issues were raised other than those already raised by James Westby by email * Meeting 2011-06-30 * Chair: Martin Pitt * Present: Mark Shuttleworth, Colin Watson, Kees Cook * Setting the Ubuntu series release manager in Launchpad to ubuntu-release * No further problems with this expected, Colin agreed to doing the switch * Things to check: * non-release-team core-devs can target tasks to oneiric * ([[https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/451390/comments/10|already tested]]) * non-core-dev release team members can modify oneiric milestones * Measuring installation success/failure, [[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-June/000935.html|updated proposal from Evan Dandrea]] * the purpose of collecting the data is to make Ubuntu better * while we won't make the data entirely public (avoiding unexpected privacy concerns, and competitive questions), people with technical/research projects who have a need for it can ask the TB for data (this includes Canonical employees) * for opt-out we need to write a privacy policy * people who are concerned about what data we're collecting can of course examine the client source code; we won't correlate IP addresses with this * we need to discuss data security (against theft) with IS * This proposal, under above conditions, got 4 out of 4 votes from the present TB members; for the record, Scott James Remnant mentioned that he'd prefer having all the data being public * [[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-June/000915.html|SRU microrelease exception for Banshee]] * Upstream clarified and documented patch backporting and QA policy: https://live.gnome.org/Banshee/StableReleasesPolicy * Got 4 out of 4 votes from the present TB members, accepted; wiki page updated accordingly * [[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-June/000944.html|DMB voting procedure]] was discussed quickly, but we ran out of time. Will be discussed via email or carried to next meeting. * [[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-May/000875.html|Policy proposal for partner repository]]: Ran out of time, carried to next meeting.