2009-11-29
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(09:07:39 PM) The topic for #ubuntu-austin is: IRC meeting on the 29th, around 9pm. Wiki -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustinTeam(09:08:56 PM) Muffinx [n=quassel@cable-cmts3-65-161-244-103.vvm.com] entered the room.
(09:09:11 PM) Muffinx: Hello.
(09:09:17 PM) thebwt: hello
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(09:11:24 PM) thebwt: and another!
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(09:12:54 PM) thebwt: as am I
(09:12:59 PM) thebwt: just got back from dinner
(09:14:05 PM) thebwt: well anyone got any topics to recommend? I know jfluhmann may want to update us on TLF
(09:14:23 PM) dailystruggle: ?TLF
(09:14:32 PM) thebwt: Texas Lniux Fest
(09:14:42 PM) dailystruggle: ok
(09:14:45 PM) thebwt: Linux*
(09:15:29 PM) thebwt: I know I'd like to start up some local austin events, and really want to see how much participation I will get.
(09:15:44 PM) thebwt: either way I'm going to work on fliers and such for campus spring semester.
(09:16:06 PM) dailystruggle: has a locale been set
(09:16:18 PM) thebwt: for TLF? I think we have
(09:16:44 PM) thebwt: or "they" have
(09:16:46 PM) sburke: Is the Austin Loco wiki the main page for information related to meetings & events & things?
(09:16:57 PM) thebwt: sburke: I'm nto really sure
(09:17:09 PM) thebwt: sburke: I've been paying mroe attention to teh state level
(09:17:25 PM) thebwt: sburke: I think that is something we should decide tonight
(09:18:11 PM) thebwt: oh an thanks for updating it :)
(09:18:14 PM) sburke: Good call. I'd like to know if random users like myself should focus on the state level info or get Austin related info off the ground first.
(09:18:15 PM) thebwt: and*
(09:18:18 PM) sburke: no problem
(09:18:54 PM) thebwt: well one fo the things at the dec 6th state meeting i will bring up is a method for differentiating between state and local events.
(09:18:55 PM) sburke: How do you reply to someone and have it automatically append their name in front?
(09:18:57 PM) dailystruggle: It would make perfect sense to lift the local team and have the state effort as separate
(09:19:20 PM) thebwt: but certain things (like tlf for instance) really is a state event
(09:19:33 PM) thebwt: i jsut type"sb" and hit tab
(09:19:46 PM) thebwt: "autocompletion"
(09:19:48 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ah
(09:19:59 PM) thebwt: there you go :)
(09:20:03 PM) dailystruggle: thebwt: kool learned something
(09:20:38 PM) thebwt: many people have that set up to doa system alert so that they get *pinged*
(09:20:49 PM) thebwt: when thier nick is typed
(09:20:52 PM) thebwt: their*
(09:21:14 PM) sburke: thebwt: As for TLS, it got confusing since it is a state event yet the Austin loco isn't really well established. So yeah I would vote for trying to get some local stuff happening and make it a goal to have some presence at TLS.
(09:21:15 PM) thebwt: anyways I was wanting to maybe start draftin ideas for an installfest or something.
(09:22:01 PM) thebwt: sburke: yes, and I'd vote we represent the TexasTeam, instead of AustinTeam
(09:22:28 PM) thebwt: sburke: because we'd likely have quite a few out of towners.
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(09:23:33 PM) thebwt: welcome back? dduffey
(09:24:01 PM) dduffey: just trying out different clients
(09:24:18 PM) thebwt: gotcha
(09:25:49 PM) thebwt: I'm located around east riverside, where are you guys (generally) located?
(09:26:01 PM) Muffinx: Salado
(09:26:22 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ok, so you're saying that we take the Austin Loco people and add on to the Texas Loco people to represent Ubuntu at TLS? Am I getting that right?
(09:26:34 PM) Duffey: NW Austin, near anderson mill
(09:26:38 PM) spridel: what is up with all the LoCo bits and not being part of a LUG?
(09:26:48 PM) thebwt: sburke: basically
(09:27:01 PM) thebwt: spridel: Ubuntu LoCo isn't really a LUG
(09:27:25 PM) sburke: thebwt: N Austin, Wells Branch
(09:27:55 PM) spridel: i understand that, but shouldn't ubuntu user be part of their local LUG?
(09:28:07 PM) thebwt: indeed, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups
(09:28:24 PM) thebwt: honestly I've trying to see what we have in this town already.
(09:28:27 PM) thebwt: i'm*
(09:28:41 PM) thebwt: or if we are pretty much starting from scratch
(09:30:03 PM) dailystruggle: I think that you might be starting from scratch as a LoCo
(09:30:06 PM) thebwt: Muffinx: have you talked to stlsaint at all?
(09:30:32 PM) thebwt: dailystruggle: I think so too, but I know there are people here who have done past events.
(09:30:37 PM) Muffinx: thebwt: Yes I have. We've talked about the Killeen/CenTex team he wants to build.
(09:31:30 PM) thebwt: Muffinx: kk, just making sure you have the all the information, and don't think austin is the nearest LoCo
(09:31:54 PM) Muffinx: Hmm. Well, until that one is started, I believe Austin actually *is*.
(09:32:26 PM) Muffinx: Keep in mind, though, that I only made contact with the others on the IRC channel about four or five hours ago, so I'm horribly out-of-the-loop.
(09:32:40 PM) thebwt: Muffinx: gotcha
(09:33:12 PM) thebwt: I'm just getting back from thanksgiving family rounds, so I will be cultivating the wiki late into the night I think.
(09:33:29 PM) sburke: It looks to be a bunch of Ubuntu related events but is the process of making an Ubuntu loco actually a goal of anyones?
(09:33:32 PM) thebwt: anyways, I'm thinking of planning a "spring installfest"
(09:33:44 PM) thebwt: mine
(09:33:48 PM) dailystruggle: You may want to get involved in LUG's nearby to drum up members
(09:34:07 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ok, is that the blueprint emails I was seeing or is that something else?
(09:34:12 PM) dailystruggle: that way you have a bigger team
(09:34:19 PM) thebwt: sburke: completly different
(09:34:29 PM) thebwt: sburke: that's state stuff
(09:34:35 PM) sburke: thebwt: Gotcha.
(09:35:12 PM) sburke: thebwt: What are the benefits of a Loco may I ask?
(09:35:55 PM) thebwt: sburke: it depends ont eh group
(09:36:15 PM) thebwt: sburke: the main premise is to unite ubuntuer's in the community and give them a medium of interaction
(09:36:21 PM) thebwt: and a medium to interact with teh ubuntu project
(09:36:46 PM) thebwt: "sort of" like an ubuntu centric LUG
(09:36:53 PM) dailystruggle: a loco and a lug are similar
(09:36:57 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ah gotcha.
(09:37:06 PM) thebwt: honestly we will amke what we want out of it
(09:37:31 PM) thebwt: if we want to do ubuntu advocacy, we can
(09:37:47 PM) thebwt: if we want to just get together and learn new things, we can
(09:38:07 PM) thebwt: if we want to work on bugs or adopt a pet project, we can
(09:38:14 PM) thebwt: it varies from loco to loco
(09:38:47 PM) sburke: thebwt: I'm looking at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto and this seems to be all the info related to starting the Loco. Have you already started this process for Austin or no?
(09:39:08 PM) thebwt: sburke: no
(09:39:12 PM) dailystruggle: the advantage of a LoCo vs a LUG is simple everyone has buntu software
(09:39:38 PM) sburke: dailystruggle: That would probably help with all the different linux flavors out there.
(09:39:38 PM) thebwt: sburke: and that's complicated a bit.. we cannnot form an "austin team officailly. We have to form Texas Team
(09:39:42 PM) thebwt: and austin would be part of that
(09:40:08 PM) dailystruggle: that is why most LoCo's draw from Lug's
(09:40:21 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ah so we have to sort of start an unofficial Austin group and all those members would be TX members.
(09:40:23 PM) thebwt: a lot of the friction we're getting on the state level is that people are angry about having to be "texas team"
(09:40:30 PM) thebwt: sburke: exactly
(09:40:45 PM) thebwt: sburke: and that is in the works
(09:40:51 PM) dailystruggle: Well that is expected
(09:41:20 PM) dailystruggle: happens anytime you change plans
(09:41:36 PM) dailystruggle: people will complain
(09:41:55 PM) sburke: So the current plan is what you just said, one TX team which is called the Ubuntu TX Loco?
(09:42:02 PM) thebwt: anyways this meeting was really to see who all is interested in trying to get this thing off the ground, and what those people are interested in.
(09:42:17 PM) thebwt: sburke: exactly, but we still do local events
(09:42:30 PM) thebwt: sburke: and opperate someone idependantly
(09:42:38 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ah ok
(09:42:39 PM) dailystruggle: true
(09:42:59 PM) thebwt: somewhat*
(09:43:03 PM) spridel: why is the Austin LoCo show that the prcoess has started but you're stating that you are in need of a texas team first?
(09:43:25 PM) sburke: So just like the state of TX is officially part of the union, Austin is officially part of the state of TX, but act sort of independently? :)
(09:43:29 PM) spridel: and yet there is a Chicago loco
(09:43:38 PM) thebwt: sburke: Exactly!
(09:43:51 PM) thebwt: spridel: that was before the rule for states only was made.
(09:44:04 PM) thebwt: spridel: when loco's were just starting, they are grandfathered in.
(09:44:16 PM) dailystruggle: each
(09:44:20 PM) sburke: thebwt: So there is a rule by the Ubuntu powers that there is only Loco's on the state level?
(09:44:37 PM) thebwt: sburke: right, to keep things organized
(09:44:40 PM) spridel: so the giant F off state of Texas can't have multiple Locos? what about Cali?
(09:44:49 PM) thebwt: spridel: one loco
(09:44:55 PM) spridel: ugh
(09:44:59 PM) thebwt: spridel: we can have multiple locos
(09:45:05 PM) thebwt: they just want one point of contact
(09:45:14 PM) dailystruggle: cali has one main for the state
(09:45:18 PM) thebwt: it makes sense
(09:45:23 PM) thebwt: ausitn under texas
(09:45:26 PM) thebwt: texas under US
(09:45:29 PM) thebwt: US under LoCo
(09:45:44 PM) spridel: i understand one point but, OMG distribution should be direct not state/country wide
(09:46:04 PM) thebwt: distribution?
(09:46:17 PM) thebwt: also this is a debate for the us-tx channel really
(09:46:20 PM) spridel: business term for flow in information
(09:46:23 PM) thebwt: and in the mialing list where it is a hot topic
(09:46:25 PM) sburke: thebwt: Is it technically correct to call it the Austin Loco then? Or should it be called something else? That seems to be a point of confusion.
(09:46:29 PM) Muffinx: spridel: That is sort of what I'm thinking too ... I'm glad I don't live in Amarillo. :-D
(09:46:44 PM) thebwt: sburke: not at all, we still do our own thing
(09:46:53 PM) spridel: Amarilo has a good size LUG, i believe
(09:47:07 PM) dailystruggle: thirty members active
(09:47:12 PM) thebwt: that is mainly about becoming "official"
(09:47:16 PM) spridel: so is the the Texas Sub-Loco @ Austin?
(09:47:40 PM) thebwt: not sure I understand
(09:47:41 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ah, so Austin will never be able to be an official loco because it's not at the state level right?
(09:47:57 PM) spridel: that's what i'm getting sburke
(09:48:11 PM) dailystruggle: no austin can have its own team
(09:48:30 PM) dailystruggle: houston and dallas do already
(09:48:48 PM) sburke: dailystruggle: Hmm, but are those grandfathered in?
(09:49:04 PM) thebwt: sburke: right, but we'll all be texas team
(09:49:10 PM) dailystruggle: its only for organization for the state to get on the lists
(09:49:29 PM) thebwt: for all intents and purposes we are austin team
(09:49:32 PM) dailystruggle: amarillo
(09:49:41 PM) dailystruggle: they are a new add
(09:49:41 PM) thebwt: which is a subteam fo the official TexasTeam
(09:49:56 PM) sburke: thebwt: Ok, sorry to derail the conversation, but as a new user it's tough to figure out where to start in terms of Ubuntu groups in Austin.
(09:50:16 PM) dailystruggle: thebwt: did you start moot
(09:50:35 PM) thebwt: sburke: I agree, and really the entire state seems like it is starting from scratch (yes we have dallas,, houston is actually not that active at all)
(09:50:38 PM) spridel: why does this sound like a moot point?
(09:50:47 PM) thebwt: dailystruggle: no, we wont have a log of this.
(09:51:01 PM) dailystruggle: I will have it
(09:51:02 PM) thebwt: spridel: what do you mean?
(09:51:08 PM) dailystruggle: log
(09:51:23 PM) spridel: talking about it over and over and nothing happening, why not petition?
(09:51:37 PM) thebwt: petition what?
(09:51:47 PM) spridel: the fact that you need a state loco
(09:51:59 PM) dailystruggle: thats what we are doing
(09:52:33 PM) thebwt: spridel: we're in the process of making the state system work
(09:52:34 PM) spridel: what i mean is that you petition governance so you don't need the state loco
(09:52:39 PM) dailystruggle: but the state as a whole has little record
(09:52:46 PM) thebwt: we don't mind it
(09:52:53 PM) spridel: the state is too damn big
(09:52:59 PM) dailystruggle: the mailing lists have stayed inactive
(09:53:12 PM) thebwt: spridel: for what?
(09:53:31 PM) thebwt: the state is a starting point, then you go to your region
(09:53:31 PM) spridel: organizing any major loco
(09:53:39 PM) thebwt: spridel: we're doing jsut fine
(09:53:51 PM) spridel: Elpaso to Houston is what...500 miles?
(09:54:05 PM) thebwt: spridel: thats why we have regional teams
(09:54:07 PM) dailystruggle: bout
(09:54:25 PM) thebwt: we don't need to go to other regions to meet
(09:54:35 PM) thebwt: but we can if we want
(09:55:03 PM) sburke: spridel: The proof of whether TX can organize a Loco will be the representation at TLF.
(09:55:06 PM) thebwt: really the "state" loco changes nothing, it only organizes the system
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(09:55:17 PM) spridel: damnit this is the problem with a republic
(09:55:19 PM) dailystruggle: I think that the argument is basically the state size and existing LoCo's
(09:55:19 PM) thebwt: that's the entire point of that
(09:55:40 PM) spridel: my bad its 746 miles Elpaso to houston
(09:55:43 PM) sburke: thebwt: So what did you have in mind for Austin related Loco events or goals in general?
(09:55:48 PM) thebwt: i fail to see a problem
(09:55:49 PM) dailystruggle: woah
(09:55:50 PM) ***thebwt is lost
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(09:56:07 PM) thebwt: sburke: I want to do an installfest in spring sometime
(09:56:18 PM) thebwt: sburke: defaintly have some sor tof release party for 10.10
(09:56:33 PM) thebwt: err 10.04
(09:57:00 PM) thebwt: spridel: we don't have to co-ordinate "local" events with thwe state, so this isn't an issue.
(09:57:03 PM) dailystruggle: that will fall right in linux fest time frame
(09:57:16 PM) spridel: SO WHY DO WE NEED A STATE?
(09:57:37 PM) dailystruggle: to be put on maps
(09:57:42 PM) thebwt: for organization
(09:57:56 PM) thebwt: and because it's the rules
(09:58:01 PM) sburke: thebwt: So are you thinking of the event happening before the linux fest time frame or after?
(09:58:25 PM) spridel: the whole point of linux is to not worry about the rules...so...
(09:58:33 PM) thebwt: and because sometimes cities willw ant to coordinate some events
(09:58:33 PM) thebwt: like tlf...
(09:58:46 PM) thebwt: or maybe organize UDS excusions.
(09:58:53 PM) dailystruggle: before would help with local recognition in the fest
(09:59:05 PM) spridel: omg please tell me this is a joke, legalism?
(09:59:16 PM) dailystruggle: not legal
(09:59:17 PM) sburke: Oh before the hour is up, how about a schedule for IRC meetings? Every 2 weeks, once a week, any thoughts?
(09:59:36 PM) thebwt: spridel: what is the disadvantage of forming under a state?
(09:59:54 PM) thebwt: sburke: not sure yet, I really want to see if I get any intrest
(10:00:06 PM) sburke: thebwt: Yeah I would agree, doing the event before hand could be a good precursor to linux fest.
(10:00:30 PM) spridel: why can't you mass email the 5 loco organizers? instead of 1 person who then e-mails 5
(10:00:41 PM) thebwt: sburke: alright then sometime before tlf it is :p
(10:00:59 PM) thebwt: spridel: I am that 1 person, so i can handle it, i don't mind
(10:01:07 PM) sburke: thebwt: You've got one interested. My main interest would be tagging along with the TX team and supporting them at TLF in some way
(10:01:19 PM) spridel: but why do it in the first place it poor business hierarchy
(10:02:04 PM) Muffinx: thebwt: I am interested in helping out too. But we'll need to get a little closer to the date, so I can judge what's going on at work or whatnot, to take a few vacation days if necessary.
(10:02:04 PM) dailystruggle: not a hierarchy more or a consolidarity
(10:02:07 PM) thebwt: spridel: we can talk about this on the list in the discussion, it really doens't affect austinTeam one way or the pother
(10:02:28 PM) spridel: so why form one?
(10:02:57 PM) dailystruggle: to put the state on the maps
(10:03:21 PM) sburke: Any takers for another IRC meeting next week, same bat time same bat location? Next time we'll get a small agenda.
(10:03:39 PM) spridel: its already there
(10:04:09 PM) Muffinx: sburke: Just post the time somewhere, and I'll do my best to be here.
(10:04:10 PM) spridel: sburke, i belive they slated the Tx meting in #ubuntu-us-tx for 9 PM sunday
(10:04:11 PM) Duffey: i will likely join, just lurking for now
(10:04:21 PM) thebwt: aye
(10:04:28 PM) thebwt: how about every other wekk?
(10:04:29 PM) thebwt: week*
(10:04:39 PM) sburke: thebwt: I'm good with every other
(10:05:00 PM) thebwt: and maybe those of us who care to can get together for a burger or something sometime soon?
(10:05:37 PM) thebwt: is this time good for everyone?
(10:05:43 PM) sburke: thebwt: So that would put it on Dec 13, 2009 @ 9PM sound good to everyone?
(10:05:53 PM) thebwt: fine by me
(10:06:01 PM) dailystruggle: spridel: look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
(10:07:10 PM) sburke: Ok, I'll put it up on the wiki.
(10:08:30 PM) sburke: thebwt: As for a burger my newborn is taking up most of my time now, but I do like burgers so possibly :)
(10:08:45 PM) thebwt: sburke: :)
(10:10:00 PM) thebwt: alright, well I guess meeting is over :)
(10:10:05 PM) thebwt: good to talk with you all
(10:10:23 PM) sburke: Same here. Night all.
(10:10:32 PM) thebwt: nn
(10:10:36 PM) Muffinx: Okay, I should be back on a bit later. I do need to take off for a bit. See you all later!
(10:10:47 PM) thebwt: Muffinx: cya
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