Conversation with #ubuntu-training (01:53:59 PM) *The topic for #ubuntu-training is: Ubuntu Training || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training || Next Meeting: 5 November at 20:00 UTC* (01:54:47 PM) DougieRichardson: watch it, boss is here ;-) (01:55:19 PM) *cropalato left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).* (01:55:33 PM) *dinda:* :) not mine, she'll be here soon I'm sure (01:56:00 PM) DougieRichardson: lol (01:57:05 PM) *merol [/n=merol@87.19.237.247/] entered the room.* (01:57:16 PM) merol: buona sera (01:57:37 PM) *dinda:* welcome merol (01:57:49 PM) merol: sono del gruppo Ithum per la richiesta di affiliazione italiana (01:57:53 PM) *merol:* ciao dinda (01:58:59 PM) *JustinClift [/n=jc@ppp118-208-141-97.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net/] entered the room.* (01:59:14 PM) *billycina [/n=billycin@bzq-79-182-236-123.red.bezeqint.net/] entered the room.* (01:59:18 PM) ITHUM: benvenuto massimo (01:59:20 PM) ITHUM: ;) (01:59:30 PM) billycina: greetings all (01:59:54 PM) JustinClift: 'elo (02:00:11 PM) *dinda:* and there she is, right one cue (02:00:17 PM) *dinda:* Welcome all! (02:00:23 PM) merol: ciao ITHUM (02:00:35 PM) *dinda:* a few new folks, quick round of intros. . . (02:00:50 PM) *dinda:* I'm Belinda, aka dinda, from Galveston, texas (02:01:19 PM) billycina: I am Belinda from Canonical, Israel (02:01:27 PM) billycina: Billy! (02:01:31 PM) *dinda:* lol (02:01:33 PM) billycina: why did i say belinda?? (02:01:38 PM) *dinda:* she's forgotten her own name (02:01:42 PM) ***billycina goes slightly insane (02:01:48 PM) *dinda:* I'm also from Canonical (02:01:49 PM) DougieRichardson: No, I'm Belinda! (02:01:56 PM) ***JustinClift hands billycina a stronger coffee (02:02:07 PM) billycina: thanks Justin, much needed (02:02:09 PM) *dinda:* it's a good name, I'll sell it to you (02:02:17 PM) *dinda:* thanks for staying up late billycina (02:02:34 PM) billycina: np - that's my excuse!! (02:02:39 PM) *markvandenborre [/n=mark@ubuntu/member/markvandenborre/] entered the room.* (02:02:51 PM) ITHUM: greetings all, me and merol are from the italian group that made the request of affiliation (02:03:08 PM) *dinda:* hey mark - just doing intros (02:03:11 PM) ITHUM: ...we are from Rome (02:03:20 PM) ***markvandenborre is from Belgium (02:03:47 PM) billycina: hey markvandenborre (02:03:59 PM) *dinda:* ping camil, emmajane, pleia2 (02:04:06 PM) *dinda:* ping popey (02:04:06 PM) JustinClift: I am Justin, presently in Melbourne, Australia. Working on the project Salasaga (www.salasaga.org), and eLearning creation IDE. (02:04:08 PM) moriancumer: Jared from Utah (02:04:13 PM) *emmajane:* here. (02:04:13 PM) pleia2: I'm Lyz from Philadelphia :) at work about to be snagged into a conference call so I might drop out at some point soon (02:04:16 PM) JustinClift: /and/an/ (02:04:19 PM) *emmajane:* we're starting an hour earlier than I thought (02:04:27 PM) *dinda:* pleia2 - thanks (02:04:36 PM) *emmajane:* (half a sec) (02:04:49 PM) camil: Hello all! I'm Camille from France, and http://neodoc.fr we're in charge of some training material. (02:04:50 PM) *merol left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).* (02:05:06 PM) *dinda:* emmajane there is also the OpenWeek session this afternoon which is next (02:05:39 PM) *dinda:* thanks all for dropping in today (02:06:05 PM) *dinda:* guess I should go ahead and mention the Open Week session which will take place in #ubuntu-classroom (02:06:33 PM) *dinda:* this is part of the post-release process and hosted by Jono and his Community crew (02:07:00 PM) *dinda:* after each release irc sessions are held to cover various topics and let folks in the community ask questions (02:07:01 PM) *merol [/n=merol@87.19.237.247/] entered the room.* (02:07:20 PM) *dinda:* Billy and I will be hosting a session @22:00 UTC (02:07:33 PM) merol: buona sera a tutti (02:07:37 PM) *dinda:* part of an effort to recruit more folks to the team (02:07:45 PM) merol: mi ha mandato qui canonico michelangelo (02:07:51 PM) merol: mio professore di java (02:08:07 PM) merol: è possibile partecipare al corso ? (02:08:12 PM) billycina: merol: you may need to switch to english (02:08:27 PM) markvandenborre: merol: non parliamo italiano qui (02:08:43 PM) merol: ah scusate (02:09:02 PM) *dinda:* other than that session, this meeting is primarily to talk about updating . . . (02:09:09 PM) *dinda:* tada, the Ubuntu Desktop Course (02:09:38 PM) *dinda:* a really fun project that will make better for all new ubuntu users (02:09:55 PM) *dinda:* (and b/c I need to get it off my list!) (02:10:06 PM) *emmajane:* (ok back) (02:10:21 PM) *dinda:* so we've been exploring different options but with a really tight deadline of Dec. 15, a few things have happened (02:10:47 PM) *dinda:* one - TPTB (the powers that be) have told us that weonly need to update to the 8.04 LTS release (02:11:05 PM) *dinda:* and OpenOffice v.3 now handles Docbook format (02:11:18 PM) *dinda:* which emmajane reports is not bad (02:11:26 PM) ***camil confirms (02:11:46 PM) ****emmajane* nods (02:11:51 PM) *dinda:* I've made one pass through all the material and located required updates (02:12:06 PM) *dinda:* I've started a wiki page to document that process. . . (02:12:17 PM) ****dinda* goes to copy and paste (02:12:55 PM) *dinda:* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training/DesktopCourseUpgradeTasks (02:13:31 PM) *dinda:* Reviewing the existing version for mainly technical changes (02:14:02 PM) *dinda:* I have a list of about 10 items, mostly minor except for the Music Multimedia section. . (02:14:26 PM) *dinda:* which has many changes due to differences in different applications now as default (02:14:28 PM) *merol left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).* (02:15:02 PM) *dinda:* that is chapter 8 (02:15:22 PM) *dinda:* so if we can hit 2 chapters a week, we're good for Dec. 15 (02:15:52 PM) *emmajane:* good list, dinda (02:15:55 PM) *dinda:* the big question and I need your input is on screenshots. . . (02:16:20 PM) *dinda:* most of the screenshots are generic enough to be okay with a few exceptions. . (02:16:41 PM) *dinda:* but should be go ahead and update them all to have the snazzy new Hardy Heron backdrop? (02:17:05 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, how many screenshots in total? (02:17:09 PM) *dinda:* emmajane: I have through chp. 10 just didn't have to finish my list this morning (02:17:10 PM) DougieRichardson: care needs to be taken with screenshots, as the compression library was removed from imagemagick (02:17:42 PM) *dinda:* we were given a detailed process by the original course authors on their method for taking screenshots (02:18:03 PM) *dinda:* I'll have to look it up and see if imagemagick was part of it (02:18:05 PM) *emmajane:* DougieRichardson, is that why OOo -> PDF now makes garbage out of embedded images? (02:18:10 PM) JustinClift: Would it be practical to do the screenshots last, after the other chapters, depending upon how much time is left till deadline? (02:18:13 PM) DougieRichardson: p (02:18:22 PM) DougieRichardson: emmajane: most likely (02:18:27 PM) *dinda:* yes, Justin, that is possible (02:18:29 PM) *emmajane:* DougieRichardson, that explains a lot. (02:18:46 PM) *dinda:* less than 10 were ciritical, must update screenshots, I'd say. . . (02:18:59 PM) JustinClift: Salasaga is good at taking screenshots, but only saves at 100% (zero loss) png. (02:19:04 PM) *dinda:* and the rest were "nice to have" mostly b/c they're not Hardy Heron on the desktop (02:20:06 PM) JustinClift: Would have to post process them to not-100% if compression is desired, and it may not be the best approach if an automated solution is needed. i.e. via the Linux Desktop Testing thing... (02:20:08 PM) *dinda:* since it seems we're staying with docbook (gawd help me) then those can be dropped in later (02:20:11 PM) *emmajane:* just looking through the sub-directories. There's in the range of a few hundred images. (02:20:37 PM) *emmajane:* (in total) (02:20:53 PM) *markvandenborre:* dinda: from what you say the screenshot taking seems to contain some kind of magic, is this magic public? (02:20:59 PM) *dinda:* the most will come i chapter 8 as there is the most change overall (02:21:21 PM) *dinda:* pretty sure it can be made public if it's not already (02:21:32 PM) *merol [/n=SiTh@87.19.237.247/] entered the room.* (02:21:36 PM) merol: *Un SaLuTo a TuTTi !!!* (02:21:47 PM) ****dinda* tries to recall which document had those directions (02:22:04 PM) billycina: Belinda Lopez: it's the training guidelines handbook (02:22:04 PM) *dinda:* screenshots didn't seem magic, just tedious (02:22:14 PM) markvandenborre: ok (02:22:27 PM) ****dinda* thanks billy's brain for remembering that (02:22:27 PM) billycina: Belinda Lopez: very large doc - we can extract from (02:22:37 PM) *dinda:* ok to make public? (02:22:42 PM) billycina: sure (02:22:44 PM) markvandenborre: (I was mostly asking because of translations) (02:23:51 PM) *dinda:* so the overall plan is to try to hit two chapters a week (02:24:00 PM) JustinClift: Having something automated seems like it'd be a good idea longer term. Maybe not be feasible to get in place and working by Dec 15 deadline though. (02:24:37 PM) *dinda:* I'll finish my list of changes and ask others to take a chapter or two as well (02:24:50 PM) ***billycina likes the sound of most sentences which include the word 'automated' (02:24:59 PM) eightyeight: heh (02:25:06 PM) eightyeight: who doesn't? :) (02:25:14 PM) billycina: poets (02:25:28 PM) *dinda:* then we can start asking for the hard work - someone to help me learn how actually make the changes and get them uploaded into Bzr. . . (02:25:46 PM) *dinda:* altough emmajane did a really good job of making it 'real' for me the other day (02:25:58 PM) *emmajane:* :) (02:26:06 PM) billycina: so Belinda Lopez what are yopu suggesting is the process here (02:26:20 PM) *dinda:* from the table I've laid out the changes and others can add to it, there is also the next step of folks making those patches (02:26:31 PM) markvandenborre: billycina: she wants me to update a chapter :) (02:26:37 PM) JustinClift: It's something that needs to be looked into for Salasaga as well, but not in the next few months. Probably take a proper look at LDTP (Linux Desktop Training Project - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/) for it. But definitely not in time for Dec 15. (02:26:58 PM) *dinda:* markvandenborre: you knew i was coming ;) (02:27:24 PM) *dinda:* Justin - yip, emmajane suggested that too (02:28:03 PM) *dinda:* I'm also proposing new, weekly irc sessions where at least I'll be commited to being here to ask/answer questions (02:28:29 PM) eightyeight: i came in a bit late, but has a standard been set for the screenshots? (02:28:43 PM) *dinda:* we're working on posting it up soon (02:28:48 PM) *dinda:* is that you Aaron? (02:28:52 PM) eightyeight: yeah (02:29:22 PM) *emmajane:* (528 images, to be precise) (02:29:32 PM) JustinClift: Wow (02:29:35 PM) *dinda:* the wiki is mostly a way for new folks to be able to quickly see tasks. . . (02:29:59 PM) *dinda:* and sign up to notify us (me) that they are willing to work on a certain section (02:30:27 PM) eightyeight: i only ask, because we write courseware for guru labs, and if the resolution is larger than 800x600, in courseware or slides, it's hard to see detail (02:31:02 PM) *dinda:* correct (02:31:22 PM) *dinda:* larger or smaller, eightyeight? (02:31:24 PM) JustinClift: Capture resolution or output resolutions? (02:31:52 PM) eightyeight: well, 1024x768, 1280x1024 --> etc (02:32:12 PM) eightyeight: 1024x768 isn't bad, i gues, if you capturing output of a single application, and not the whole desktop (02:32:27 PM) *dinda:* I'm going to add a second header to each chapter in the wiki table and perhaps several of you can take adopt a chapter? (02:32:42 PM) *dinda:* if not, I'll start begging elsewhere (02:32:45 PM) markvandenborre: count me in, I'll invest a day of productive work into this between now and December 1st (02:32:53 PM) eightyeight: yeah. i can definitely help (02:32:55 PM) *dinda:* chapters 1 and 2 are pretty short and easy (02:32:58 PM) markvandenborre: not much, but hey, I'm just a volunteer (02:33:05 PM) *dinda:* 4 - the Open Office one is HUGE (02:33:10 PM) ****emmajane* would like to be a jerk and take a short chapter. (02:33:13 PM) *dinda:* and 8 has the most changes (02:33:27 PM) markvandenborre: I'll see if I can find a few other helping hands locally (02:33:42 PM) *dinda:* can you take 1 & 2 emma? really short, not many changes at all (02:33:45 PM) JustinClift: Guess I should probably do the multimedia screenshots. (02:34:06 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, sure. I'm tight for time and short things have a better chance of being squished into the schedule. (02:34:08 PM) *dinda:* the other problem with chapter 8 is that the apps have changed, Justin (02:34:21 PM) JustinClift: Get some "real world exposure" to what's needed, etc. ;-> (02:34:21 PM) *dinda:* take chp. 2 then emmajane (02:34:34 PM) *JustinClift:* dinda: So R&D required..? Heh. (02:34:50 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, I'll do Ch2 and see where people are up to with the rest... and possible take CH1 too if it's still needing help. (02:35:07 PM) *dinda:* ok, emmajane (02:35:24 PM) *dinda:* Justin - yeah, since the default apps changed, (02:35:53 PM) *dinda:* Justin, but right now, the big task on 8, jst identifying those changes (02:36:21 PM) *dinda:* we might have to have someone rewrite most of that chapter. . . (02:36:32 PM) JustinClift: k. Might not be the best use of my time then. (02:36:32 PM) *Imagineer66 [/n=Imaginee@c-67-177-134-11.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/] entered the room.* (02:36:35 PM) eightyeight: i can take ch 10 (02:36:36 PM) *dinda:* but if you could just get us that list of suggested changes that would be great (02:36:42 PM) Imagineer66: Sorry to join late. (02:36:51 PM) *dinda:* thanks eightyeight, that's awesome (02:37:04 PM) *dinda:* mark - did you have a preference? (02:37:25 PM) Imagineer66: Are we divvying up the chapters? (02:37:34 PM) *dinda:* yes, imagineer66 (02:37:39 PM) ***markvandenborre is feeling a bit fuzzy in the head, but I guess I'll take anything but OpenOffice.org (02:37:48 PM) *JustinClift:* dinda: Sorry, probably not then. Still need to get a lot done with Salasaga. Taking screenshots I can do, basic research, no worries. But *in depth and time consuming stuff*... no. (02:37:56 PM) *dinda:* emmajane has 2, eightyeight has 10, justin has 10 (02:38:11 PM) *dinda:* chapter 3 - going now to the highest bidder. . . (02:38:13 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, when you add the next round of updates can you add our names, or do you want us to do that now? (02:38:39 PM) eightyeight: JustinClift: you also have 10? sorry, missed that. do you want me to help with it, or should i pick another chapter? (02:39:00 PM) *dinda:* I was going to add a line in the table stating which contributor is reviewing the chapter, emmajane (02:39:04 PM) *markvandenborre:* dinda (02:39:04 PM) JustinClift: No, it's all yours. I don't have time for in depth R&D for non Salasaga stuff. ;-> (02:39:11 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, sounds good (02:39:12 PM) markvandenborre: 3 for me I guess (02:39:15 PM) *dinda:* then ya'll can start adding any new changes you see to the list (02:39:20 PM) Imagineer66: This is to cover the chapter into Salasaga? (02:39:28 PM) *dinda:* woohoo, chp. 3 sold (02:39:31 PM) JustinClift: Heh. (02:39:53 PM) Imagineer66: is that a yes? (02:39:59 PM) ****dinda* ponders if we can assign 4 to popey since he's not here . . .again (02:40:19 PM) DougieRichardson: 9 (02:40:20 PM) *dinda:* chp 5 is fun, unbuntu and games (02:40:29 PM) Imagineer66: I'll take a chapter, but am hesitant until I know what I'm volunteering for. (02:40:32 PM) *dinda:* who wants some chapter 5 fun (02:40:41 PM) Imagineer66: sorry, trying to catch up. (02:40:54 PM) *dinda:* imagineer, at this point, we're looking for folks to read the material (02:41:07 PM) *dinda:* and identify changes to the 8.04 version (02:41:13 PM) Imagineer66: gotcha (02:41:25 PM) *dinda:* here's an example (02:41:26 PM) Imagineer66: Ok. In that case, what's open. Obviously, 5 (02:41:26 PM) *dinda:* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training/DesktopCourseUpgradeTasks (02:41:27 PM) DougieRichardson: Yep, I'll take chapter nine. (02:41:48 PM) *dinda:* great! (02:42:00 PM) *dinda:* that leaves us. . . 6 and 4 (02:42:13 PM) *dinda:* i sacrifice and take chp. 1 ;) (02:42:19 PM) ****emmajane* chuckles. (02:42:29 PM) Imagineer66: I'll take 4. (02:42:43 PM) *dinda:* 4 is huge, be warned, imagineer66 (02:42:49 PM) *dinda:* its' the open office stuff. . . (02:42:52 PM) Imagineer66: I'm not a big fan of OO but keep thinking that I need to get into it. (02:42:57 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, it might be better to break CH4 into sub-sections. (02:43:18 PM) *dinda:* but fortunately, they way the materials is written, it's not version specific (02:43:19 PM) Imagineer66: That would be good (02:43:23 PM) DougieRichardson: wE D (02:43:40 PM) JustinClift: Imagineer66: Deadline is just a few weeks away... (02:43:53 PM) Imagineer66: then I will need some help (02:44:01 PM) *dinda:* imagineer, how bout you just take through OO Write? (02:44:02 PM) Imagineer66: I can give 10 or so hours each week for the next 2. (02:44:10 PM) Imagineer66: need to open the doc. (02:44:13 PM) Imagineer66: brb (02:44:28 PM) *dinda:* and if you finish that, then you can have more (02:44:55 PM) *dinda:* the big difference is that all the apps within OO changed (02:45:05 PM) Imagineer66: Can I have Calc? (02:45:14 PM) *dinda:* yip (02:45:22 PM) Imagineer66: Ok, sold (02:45:33 PM) *dinda:* woohoo, another satisfied customer! (02:45:36 PM) Imagineer66: 4.1-4.3 (02:45:45 PM) *dinda:* excellent (02:45:49 PM) *Logging started. Future messages in this conversation will be logged.* (02:46:07 PM) *emmajane:* Not sure if anyone is still looking for a chapter, but CH6 is pretty straight forward. (02:46:30 PM) *dinda:* did someone take 5? as well (02:46:31 PM) *emmajane:* It's just things like, "how to customize your background image on the desktop" and "how to install new software" (02:46:34 PM) Imagineer66: Now for the "details" (02:46:44 PM) *dinda:* we still have 5, 6 & part of 4 for adoption (02:46:51 PM) Imagineer66: When is it due and what software do I have to use? (02:47:14 PM) *dinda:* right now, we'd like you start adding to the list of suggested changes on the wiki. . (02:47:25 PM) Imagineer66: ok (02:47:26 PM) *dinda:* say by next week, we hope to have them all identified (02:47:34 PM) *dinda:* , but the sooner, the better (02:47:39 PM) ***Imagineer66 nods (02:47:50 PM) *dinda:* then we can start the next process of making the changes/patches (02:48:25 PM) *dinda:* and here's where I'm willing to buy someone large amounts of beer if they help lead a session on making the patches. . .next week (02:48:35 PM) Imagineer66: Looking at wiki... don't see a place to edit..... (02:48:37 PM) DougieRichardson: i'll do a quick tutorial (02:48:41 PM) DougieRichardson: on patching (02:48:46 PM) Imagineer66: ok (02:50:01 PM) *dinda:* once we (er, I mostly) know how to make and submit patches then they can start getting uploaded (02:50:43 PM) JustinClift: Guess you're QA then too? (02:50:50 PM) *DougieRichardson:* Dinda: is it just you who has commit access? (02:50:55 PM) *dinda:* and the boss, billy :) (02:51:03 PM) billycina: i can do QA too ;) (02:51:07 PM) *dinda:* nope, there are a few that have commit access, dougie (02:51:30 PM) *dinda:* so it's not all me, which would be dangerous (02:51:42 PM) *dinda:* and we might add others as well (02:52:24 PM) *dinda:* I'm still bit unclear on the whole Bzr commit merge magic (02:52:44 PM) billycina: yeah, it's painful but beautiful when it works (02:53:12 PM) *dinda:* that's the dream billycina :) (02:53:21 PM) *emmajane:* beuno was telling me today that there are improvements in the new version of LP (02:53:32 PM) *dinda:* alrighty then. . . sounds like a plan! (02:53:42 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, billycina you may want to get added to the "beta" team to use the improved version... (02:53:45 PM) Imagineer66: LP? (02:53:50 PM) *dinda:* I'll finish my list tonight and the rest of you can start your chapter and add to the list (02:53:52 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, Launchpad (02:54:01 PM) billycina: i have a couple of questions :) (02:54:03 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, like SourceForge but for Ubuntu... (02:54:07 PM) *dinda:* shoot (02:54:23 PM) billycina: 1. with regards to timing - are we leaving enough time for proofing, editing, formatting?? (02:54:36 PM) billycina: which usually take up large chunks of unexpected time (02:54:56 PM) billycina: when does everyone need to submit content by so we can move to that stage? (02:54:59 PM) Imagineer66: Yes, I just didn't know the acronym. (02:55:10 PM) *dinda:* in theory, most of the changes, sans chp. 8 are not rewrites but minor changes (02:55:38 PM) *popey:* 20:40:00 * dinda ponders if we can assign 4 to popey since he's not here . . .again (02:55:41 PM) popey: :þ (02:55:42 PM) *dinda:* if we can have the change list complete next week, one week, that wold be great (02:55:59 PM) *dinda:* and we can start the patching process next week (02:56:03 PM) Imagineer66: END of next week? :) (02:56:14 PM) *dinda:* next Wednesday (02:56:19 PM) *dinda:* one week from today (02:56:31 PM) billycina: wow - all changes, one week today??? (02:56:33 PM) ***Imagineer66 scrambles for his schedule (02:56:33 PM) *emmajane:* I'm fine to meet again at this time next week. (02:56:36 PM) billycina: genius (02:56:45 PM) *emmajane:* billycina, people just procrastinate anyway. ;) (02:56:50 PM) billycina: lol (02:57:02 PM) billycina: ok, another Q (02:57:04 PM) *dinda:* well, that's just the list of things to be done really, not the 'real work' (02:57:13 PM) Imagineer66: lol... yeah, but that's only because I procrastinated on the previous project and need this time to do that stuff. :) (02:57:22 PM) *emmajane:* billycina, and tasks that really take longer than a week are multiple tasks pretending to be one.... (02:57:42 PM) *dinda:* since it will be simultaneous, different folks will all be working parallel (02:57:47 PM) billycina: right... (02:58:00 PM) *dinda:* then next week we kick of the patching process (02:58:20 PM) *dinda:* with a session led by Dougie on exactly how we do that for those who don't already know. . .like me (02:58:28 PM) billycina: going back to the 7.10 writing process, would it better for 1 or 2 people to be in charge of the screenshots? (02:58:35 PM) eightyeight: where can i find the current copy? on the wiki? (02:58:35 PM) billycina: or for each one to go it alone (02:58:41 PM) *dinda:* and again, folks take off and each take some work (02:58:43 PM) billycina: consistency on this one is key (02:58:51 PM) popey: might be easier to have one person do a mass of screenshots (02:58:55 PM) *dinda:* billycina, yip, that would probably be best. . .like for popey (02:58:58 PM) *dinda:* :) (02:59:08 PM) billycina: yey for popey (02:59:13 PM) *dinda:* or some other wonderful contributor! (02:59:15 PM) popey: i have some nice plain virtual machines and a pristine PrintScreen button (02:59:21 PM) ***Imagineer66 thinks popey is a favorite horse.... (02:59:23 PM) billycina: wow (02:59:30 PM) *dinda:* see, he's already ready (02:59:31 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, do you know how to use bzr to grab copies of files? (02:59:34 PM) billycina: popey should run for president :) (02:59:38 PM) popey: hah (02:59:39 PM) billycina: oh darn, post just taken (02:59:44 PM) Imagineer66: NO!! NO more elections! :) (02:59:52 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: i can figure it out. just need to be pointed in the right direction (02:59:53 PM) ***Imagineer66 is electioned out. (02:59:54 PM) popey: well, if you want me to do a wodge of screenshots I'm happy to do that (02:59:59 PM) DougieRichardson: What election? (03:00:03 PM) billycina: Imagineer66: i love them ;0 (03:00:05 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, do you have bzr installed... we'll start there. :) (03:00:19 PM) *dinda:* lol - exactly dougie, it never happened, lalalala (03:00:24 PM) ***popey is being ordered to tidy the kitchen brb (03:00:28 PM) *emmajane:* popey, you saw the part where there are 500+ screenshots, right? :) (03:00:37 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: heh. i'll install it (03:00:38 PM) markvandenborre: 528, to be precise (03:00:38 PM) popey: heh (03:00:41 PM) billycina: ssshhhhh don't mention that! (03:00:42 PM) popey: zoiks (03:00:54 PM) *dinda:* we'll send someone over to clean your kitchen while you work (03:00:57 PM) *emmajane:* Oops, sorry billycina :) (03:01:10 PM) DougieRichardson: I need to be off in a bit. I know this is trivial but I had some thoughts for the LP page logo http://blog.lynxworks.eu/?p=122 (03:01:19 PM) *dinda:* popey: it's not all of them, we've already identified the critical ones (03:01:21 PM) *emmajane:* I'm happy to walk people through the process of grabbing the source files now if you want to stick around. (03:01:26 PM) *dinda:* just a few (03:01:36 PM) markvandenborre: hundred (03:01:41 PM) billycina: yey DougieRichardson - we discussed those a while back (03:01:44 PM) *dinda:* do they need the source files or just the pdfs from the wiki? (03:02:10 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, PDFs from the wiki is fine. but to learn how to patch it'll help to have the source files. (03:02:11 PM) *dinda:* for this stage I thought the pdfs wold be ok (03:02:12 PM) eightyeight: DougieRichardson: nice (03:02:12 PM) markvandenborre: pdf will be fine I suppose for id-ing changes (03:02:17 PM) *popey:* dinda: what's best? for me to branch bzr and start replacing screenshots? (03:02:20 PM) DougieRichardson: billycina: did we, I don't remember to be honest. (03:02:27 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: k. installed, now what? :) (03:02:28 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, I'm happy to break it into two steps though so that people already have bzr and are ready to learn the next step. (03:02:40 PM) billycina: yes, a long long time ago and we were going to go for a vote (03:02:46 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, are you comfortable at the command line, or do you prefer GUIs? (03:02:47 PM) Imagineer66: I don't know bzr (03:03:04 PM) DougieRichardson: billycina: did we vote? (03:03:07 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, stick around. I can help out. :) (03:03:15 PM) Imagineer66: ok (03:03:20 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: you're talking to a system administrator trainer (03:03:20 PM) billycina: you sent an email but i don (03:03:27 PM) *dinda:* popey: hmm, I've identified a few that must be changed, but still waiting on others (03:03:32 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, that doesn't mean you like the command line. ;) (03:03:32 PM) billycina: t believe it went any further (03:03:42 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: oh, but it does. :) (03:03:50 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: i'm fine on the command line. (03:04:26 PM) *popey:* dinda: shall we discuss offline via email? (03:04:36 PM) *dinda:* popey: yeah, I'm thinking (03:04:38 PM) DougieRichardson: command line is for winners. (03:04:43 PM) *moriancumer left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).* (03:05:10 PM) *emmajane:* Ok, before this completely degrades... anything else for the meeting dinda ? :) (03:05:24 PM) *dinda:* i'm happy that we've a good start (03:05:29 PM) *dinda:* thanks everyone! (03:05:37 PM) billycina: thanks Belinda Lopez (03:05:42 PM) Imagineer66: Later, all who are leaving (03:05:45 PM) JustinClift: Thanks Belinda. (03:05:47 PM) JustinClift: :) (03:05:49 PM) billycina: see you in an hour (03:05:49 PM) *dinda:* I'll send out an update and add the info on each chapter to the wiki (03:05:56 PM) *emmajane:* thanks dinda! (03:06:23 PM) JustinClift: Cya all. Need to get ready for the rest of the day. (03:06:31 PM) *dinda:* thanks everyone! you've been a great audience (03:06:36 PM) DougieRichardson: OK, see you all next week. (03:06:50 PM) *dinda:* emmajane: the floor is all yours (03:06:53 PM) Imagineer66: Same Bat time, same Bat station? (03:06:55 PM) ****emmajane* waves bye to those who are leaving and stick around for bzr help for those who want it. :) (03:07:00 PM) *JustinClift left the room.* (03:07:04 PM) ***eightyeight wants it (03:07:13 PM) *emmajane:* woo! (03:07:13 PM) Imagineer66: brb, bio (03:07:14 PM) *dinda:* yip, imagineer (03:07:24 PM) *DougieRichardson left the room (quit: "Ex-Chat").* (03:08:03 PM) *emmajane:* other than Imagineer66 and eightyeight is anyone sticking around? (03:08:25 PM) *dinda:* i'm here (03:08:29 PM) *emmajane:* woo :) (03:08:33 PM) ****dinda* totally needs a refresher on this (03:08:37 PM) *emmajane:* kay :) (03:08:57 PM) *dinda:* last time I did it was 12/2007! (03:09:05 PM) *dinda:* according to my version (03:09:22 PM) markvandenborre: I'd have loved a short refresher on this one, but alas... really need to go (03:09:31 PM) markvandenborre: bye all (03:09:31 PM) *dinda:* thanks mark! (03:09:36 PM) *emmajane:* markvandenborre, I did an open week session, the logs are up. (03:09:39 PM) *moriancumer [/n=jared@c-24-10-254-247.hsd1.ut.comcast.net/] entered the room.* (03:09:48 PM) markvandenborre: might not make it here next week, but the stuff will be ready (03:09:49 PM) markvandenborre: bye (03:10:37 PM) Imagineer66: back (03:10:45 PM) *emmajane:* aight. (03:10:51 PM) *dinda:* need a quick bio break too here (03:10:53 PM) *dinda:* sorry (03:10:55 PM) *emmajane:* I'm going to start from the very beginning. (03:10:56 PM) Imagineer66: Do I need to be in Linux? (03:11:02 PM) *emmajane:* nope. (03:11:10 PM) *emmajane:* there are clients for windows/OSx as well. (03:11:14 PM) *Imagineer66:* Wait for Dinda? (03:11:23 PM) *dinda:* go ahead, I'll catch up (03:11:37 PM) Imagineer66: go when ready (03:11:45 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, if you want to skip ahead you can grab the files with: $ bzr branch https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course (03:11:45 PM) *dinda:* wait, now they tell me the other clients thing. . .great ;) (03:11:59 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, I can't reveal /all/ my secrets at once. ;) (03:12:05 PM) Imagineer66: lol (03:12:13 PM) Imagineer66: but you could reveal just a few. :0 (03:12:16 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, ooops. take out the "edge" part from the URL. (03:12:42 PM) *emmajane:* Bazaar is a "distributed version control system." (03:12:58 PM) *emmajane:* To me this means "the biggest baddest undo button my computer has ever known." (03:13:11 PM) Imagineer66: lol (03:13:23 PM) *emmajane:* It is also the, "Plays well with others" button because it allows you to share your work in intelligent ways. (03:13:30 PM) ****dinda* luvs "undo" (03:13:33 PM) *emmajane:* :) (03:13:45 PM) *emmajane:* when you are working with other people you will be able to "merge" your changes. (03:13:53 PM) *emmajane:* you can think of merge as in "marriage" if that helps. (03:14:13 PM) eightyeight: emmajane: too late (03:14:16 PM) ***Imagineer66 is familiar with merge... to bad the other drivers in Ohio are not.... (03:14:20 PM) *emmajane:* LOL (03:14:23 PM) *dinda:* that will scare all the men off emmajane! (03:14:47 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, they need to be aware of the potential consequences! :) (03:15:06 PM) ****emmajane* doesn't want your beer guzzled code in her repository. (03:15:11 PM) eightyeight: should i ^c? (03:15:15 PM) *dinda:* next you'll be using words like "commit" (03:15:18 PM) *emmajane:* LOL (03:15:23 PM) popey: heheh (03:15:25 PM) popey: you guys (03:15:28 PM) *emmajane:* :) (03:15:46 PM) *emmajane:* Now that everyone has let the analogy run wild... :) (03:16:20 PM) *emmajane:* The first thing you need to do is install the brain part of Bazaar. I work from the command line in Ubuntu, but there are alternatives. (03:16:45 PM) *emmajane:* http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download <-- list of alternatives (03:17:07 PM) *emmajane:* If you're in Ubuntu and you want the command line utility use: $ sudo apt-get install bzr (03:17:13 PM) ***Imagineer66 loves VMware... He's now ambidextrous (03:17:34 PM) *emmajane:* if you're in Ubuntu and you want pointy-clicky-love go to: Applications -> Add/Remove and look for the program "Olive" (03:17:34 PM) *dinda:* is there a quick way to check to see if bzr is already installed? (03:17:52 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, at the command line type "bzr" (no quotes) (03:18:20 PM) *emmajane:* Command line ==> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (03:18:28 PM) *dinda:* got it (03:18:35 PM) *emmajane:* I think there's a keyboard shortcut for that, but I overwrite my shortcuts. :/ (03:18:38 PM) *dinda:* couldn't recall if it was on this machine or the last one (03:18:48 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, you want Olive though... (03:18:58 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, pointy-clicky-love, not black screen magic. (03:19:53 PM) *emmajane:* Let me know if you want more help getting the client installed... (03:20:07 PM) *emmajane:* (i.e. the software that makes the big undo button work) (03:20:18 PM) eightyeight: should i ctrl-c my bzr branch? i had 'edge' in the url, and it's downloading (03:20:26 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, just leave it. (03:20:28 PM) Imagineer66: If I install Olive to I get the CL also? (03:20:31 PM) eightyeight: ok (03:20:31 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, it's a HUGE package. (03:20:41 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, As far as I know, yes. (03:20:57 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, it would have screamed at you if it couldn't find the files to download. (03:20:59 PM) Imagineer66: ok. Installing Olive (03:21:10 PM) eightyeight: yeah (03:21:17 PM) Imagineer66: hope Popey, er, Popeye doesn't mind (03:21:34 PM) *emmajane:* 76MB according to whta I have downloaded. (03:22:00 PM) Imagineer66: hmm... "console RSS reader"??? (03:22:08 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, not that one (03:22:12 PM) eightyeight: heh. this will take some time on hotel wifi (03:22:16 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, bzr-GTK (03:22:36 PM) *emmajane:* eightyeight, this is me not commenting on the relative size of porn to the desktop course. ;) (03:22:44 PM) Imagineer66: just found it (03:22:46 PM) *emmajane:* not. commenting. (03:22:57 PM) eightyeight: heh (03:23:00 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, cool. :) (03:23:25 PM) *dinda:* there's porn on the internet?! no way! ;) (03:23:27 PM) Imagineer66: emmajane: I thought women didn't think size mattered? (03:23:36 PM) *emmajane:* not. commenting. :) (03:24:03 PM) Imagineer66: DL'd here. Installing (03:24:13 PM) ****dinda* is biting her tongue (03:24:18 PM) ****emmajane* grins at dinda (03:24:34 PM) *dinda:* b/c when it comes to netbooks, smaller IS better :) (03:24:40 PM) *emmajane:* LOL (03:24:43 PM) Imagineer66: THE SOFTWARE!!! not the HARDware. (03:24:46 PM) Imagineer66: sheesh (03:25:10 PM) ****emmajane* sings the jeopardy song while everyone downloads their bazaar client. (03:25:11 PM) Imagineer66: anyone try the Dell Mini-9 yet? (03:25:31 PM) *dinda:* I covet it but not yet enough to spend the money (03:25:33 PM) ***Imagineer66 is seriously thinking about one for Christmas (03:26:09 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, OMG I finally understand why "olive" (03:26:17 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, you download an "olive branch" (03:26:33 PM) *dinda:* see, that's what I asked you (03:26:41 PM) ****emmajane* was being dense. (03:26:42 PM) *emmajane:* clearly. (03:27:10 PM) Imagineer66: well, as long as your just downloading a peace of code,... (03:27:17 PM) *emmajane:* hehe (03:28:21 PM) Imagineer66: ok, installed and running (03:28:26 PM) ***eightyeight shakes his head (03:28:27 PM) *emmajane:* excellent! (03:28:28 PM) *dinda:* here too (03:28:36 PM) *emmajane:* is that everyone? (03:28:44 PM) *emmajane:* (I think it is...) (03:28:47 PM) *dinda:* we're gonna try Olive first? (03:28:50 PM) *emmajane:* yeah (03:28:53 PM) popey: what's the olive package really called? (03:28:56 PM) popey: not olive (03:28:59 PM) *emmajane:* gtk-bzr (03:29:01 PM) Imagineer66: bzr-gtk (03:29:02 PM) *emmajane:* or bzr-gtk (03:29:09 PM) Imagineer66: not "olive". :) (03:29:10 PM) popey: ah, ta (03:29:17 PM) ***popey autoremoves olive (03:29:23 PM) Imagineer66: that's a different stick to chase. (03:29:33 PM) *emmajane:* popey, yeah, sorry. not the rss reader. (03:30:11 PM) *emmajane:* Ok, once it's installed you can find it in: Applications -> Programming -> Olive (03:30:29 PM) *dinda:* the one with the 'olive' icon ;) (03:30:33 PM) *emmajane:* it sort of looks like a file manager, except with different icons. (03:30:39 PM) ***Imagineer66 nods (03:30:47 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, hehe. the edible kind, not the branch kind though. (03:31:14 PM) *emmajane:* using the pointy-clicky-love, change directories to the place where you'd like to store the source files for the desktop course. (03:31:33 PM) Imagineer66: on one's local? (03:31:36 PM) *emmajane:* I personally have a directory called "ubuntu_bzr" that I put all my downloaded bzr stuff into. (03:31:48 PM) *dinda:* if I already have a desktop course directory will it override it? (03:31:52 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, I've never tried doing anything other than my local drive. (03:31:58 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, no. (03:32:21 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, but to be safe, you can put it wherever you want and then move it later. (03:32:42 PM) Imagineer66: hmm.. it doesn't create the directory (03:33:00 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, nope, this is just for moving around and dealing with the bzr files. (03:33:24 PM) *emmajane:* There will be a .bzr folder with all the important goodies, dinda. As long as the new folder keeps the .bzr folder, you should be able to move it around. (03:33:44 PM) *merol left the room (quit: "Imparate a temere ci? che ? celato e segreto poich? se non ? cos? ? possibile combatterlo :: ???? ?????? ??5").* (03:33:58 PM) Imagineer66: done (03:34:39 PM) *dinda:* ok (03:34:57 PM) ***Imagineer66 waits patiently... Oh, time for a Coke refill (03:35:05 PM) *emmajane:* Ok. Now you need to get the "branch" that has the desktop course. (03:35:37 PM) *emmajane:* Go to: Branch -> Get... (03:35:52 PM) *emmajane:* use the following settings: (03:36:02 PM) *dinda:* that command is greyed out (03:36:02 PM) Imagineer66: No need to "Initialize"? (03:36:05 PM) *emmajane:* no. (03:36:14 PM) Imagineer66: location? (03:36:28 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, you can't choose "Get"? (03:36:36 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, just a sec.. (03:36:41 PM) Imagineer66: np (03:36:45 PM) *dinda:* nope, it's all gryed out (03:37:16 PM) *emmajane:* You might already be in a folder that's under bzr's control. (03:37:27 PM) *emmajane:* are the diff/log/etc buttons highlighted? (03:37:35 PM) *emmajane:* (next to refresh) (03:37:36 PM) *Imagineer66:* dinda: emmajane: Does Olive need admin privileges? (03:37:37 PM) *dinda:* yes (03:37:46 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, you'll need to choose a different directory (03:37:47 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, nope. (03:37:57 PM) popey: Imagineer66: you just need to be in a folder that already has a branch in it, one with a .bzr folder in it (03:38:08 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, you can't put a new branch inside a folder that's already under revision control with bzr (03:38:16 PM) Imagineer66: will bzr create a container in this folder or will the folder be under the control of bazaar? (03:38:29 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, it will create a container to put the new files in. (03:38:45 PM) *dinda:* ok, got it (03:38:53 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, just like with marriage. You have to start fresh... you can't go putting new marriages into old folders. ;) (03:38:56 PM) popey: emmajane: if you can provide a script for doing this from clean, i'll do you a screencast (03:39:16 PM) *emmajane:* popey, that's probably doable... (03:39:28 PM) *dinda:* do i need to change the branch nick? (03:39:36 PM) Imagineer66: 88 still with us? (03:39:45 PM) *emmajane:* pause to regroup. ;) (03:39:51 PM) *dinda:* he's snorting, er drinking coke (03:39:54 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, is WAY ahead. (03:39:59 PM) Imagineer66: no, that's me.. :) (03:40:01 PM) *emmajane:* ooops (03:40:05 PM) Imagineer66: 'cuz the coke. lol (03:40:06 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, 88 is way ahead rather (03:40:11 PM) Imagineer66: ah (03:40:25 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, I was sneaky and gave instructions way back. (03:40:30 PM) Imagineer66: gotcha (03:40:48 PM) *dinda:* emmajane: do I need to change the branch nick? or leave as is? (03:40:48 PM) *emmajane:* ok. Once you've found a fresh directory you go to Branch -> Get... (03:41:03 PM) *emmajane:* the "branch nick" is the name of the folder (03:41:09 PM) *dinda:* ah (03:41:38 PM) *emmajane:* the "branch location" can be done a few different ways, but the easiest thing to do is use the launchpad URL for the project. (03:41:45 PM) *emmajane:* (bzr + launchpad integration == yummy) (03:42:04 PM) popey: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course that url? (03:42:06 PM) Imagineer66: hmmm... rocket propelled Olives... (03:42:22 PM) *emmajane:* popey, yup (03:42:48 PM) *emmajane:* so you plunk that URL into the "branch location" and then click the "Branch" button. (03:43:29 PM) *emmajane:* and it ... should .. start to download... (03:43:48 PM) popey: Time passes... (03:43:51 PM) *dinda:* what if perhaps it instead gives you an error (03:43:52 PM) Imagineer66: it' automagically put ubuntu-desktop-course in the "Branck nick" field (03:43:59 PM) Imagineer66: Rev 159? (03:44:06 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, yup, that's the latest (03:44:14 PM) *emmajane:* dinda, I'm just trying it at the same time... hang on a sec. (03:44:37 PM) *dinda:* I think my whole home directory is under bzr control (03:44:50 PM) Imagineer66: Unknown Error: unsupported operand type(s) for float (03:45:03 PM) *popey:* dinda: what path do you see in the box on the main screen of olive? (03:45:05 PM) *dinda:* phew, it' s not just me then (03:45:08 PM) popey: the one next to the arrow? (03:45:11 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, I had to "blank" the "Branch nick" to get it to work (03:45:15 PM) *emmajane:* I think that's a bug. (03:45:21 PM) *emmajane:* I've got mine downloading now. (03:45:44 PM) *emmajane:* I think...it might just be getting me a history of revisions... (03:45:54 PM) Imagineer66: Maybe that's what they mean by a "BranCk nick"... (03:45:59 PM) *emmajane:* heh (03:46:16 PM) *emmajane:* tralala. (03:46:19 PM) Imagineer66: 'Target already exists: Target directory already exists: (03:46:31 PM) Imagineer66: please select another target... (03:46:52 PM) *emmajane:* hm, (03:47:00 PM) *emmajane:* it's making the new directories but then not putting the files into them. (03:47:29 PM) Imagineer66: directory made but no files (03:47:38 PM) *dinda:* popey: /home/dinda is what it says the directory and everything under that is under bzr control it seems (03:47:39 PM) Imagineer66: er, none that I can see (03:47:41 PM) ***eightyeight 's download just finished (03:47:51 PM) *dinda:* show off (03:47:55 PM) *dinda:* :) (03:47:58 PM) eightyeight: heh. i wish (03:48:01 PM) eightyeight: that was painful (03:48:02 PM) *emmajane:* ok, I think this might be easier to do the download with the command line. (03:48:04 PM) *dinda:* it's that CLI magic I suppose (03:48:13 PM) *emmajane:* olive is sort of dying a horrible death on me. (03:48:21 PM) *dinda:* we've broken the olive branch (03:48:26 PM) *emmajane:* it's good for processing changed files, but maybe not ready for downloading big ones. :) (03:48:38 PM) Imagineer66: delete the directory and try again? (03:48:42 PM) *dinda:* 'someone' should report a bug on it (03:48:56 PM) popey: http://popey.com/~alan/Screenshot-Olive - Bazaar GUI.png (03:48:58 PM) popey: thats what i have (03:49:07 PM) *emmajane:* 404 (03:49:13 PM) *emmajane:* oh. spaces. (03:49:16 PM) popey: sorry (03:49:46 PM) *emmajane:* http://popey.com/~alan/Screenshot-Olive%20-%20Bazaar%20GUI.png (03:50:06 PM) *emmajane:* popey, and did you download from olive or the command line? (03:50:12 PM) popey: command line (03:50:15 PM) *emmajane:* yeah (03:50:33 PM) *emmajane:* I've never tried downloading with olive before, just making changes to existing branches. (03:50:43 PM) popey: basically... (03:50:47 PM) popey: sudo apt-get install bzr (03:50:51 PM) popey: mkdir ~/ubuntu_bzr (03:50:55 PM) Imagineer66: deleted directory and trying again. (03:50:58 PM) popey: cd ~/ubuntu_bzr (03:51:02 PM) Imagineer66: argg (03:51:04 PM) Imagineer66: same (03:51:12 PM) *dinda:* hold on. . .typing (03:51:12 PM) popey: bzr branch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course (03:51:15 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, yeah, I think it'll be easier to download with the command line. (03:51:19 PM) *emmajane:* popey, yup (03:51:26 PM) *emmajane:* that's what I normally do :) (03:51:27 PM) popey: then in olive i refreshed the screen and that's it (03:52:08 PM) Imagineer66: what is the CL to download/ (03:52:32 PM) popey: to download what? (03:52:42 PM) Imagineer66: the files (03:52:46 PM) popey: 21:51:12 < popey> bzr branch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course (03:52:54 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, the bzr branch URL is the part that does the downloading. (03:53:27 PM) *dinda:* woohoo - okay copying (03:53:32 PM) *emmajane:* woot! (03:53:35 PM) popey: woot (03:53:38 PM) *dinda:* downloading even (03:53:52 PM) ****emmajane* reports bugs back to olive to see if they can get it working. (03:54:00 PM) *dinda:* so good time for a quick bio break (03:54:01 PM) ***eightyeight restarts. brb (03:54:07 PM) Imagineer66: same error (03:54:16 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, at the command line? (03:54:52 PM) *popey:* dinda: whilst that's downloading... can I ask - what process has been gone through to identify out of date / incorrect screenshots? (03:55:17 PM) Imagineer66: downloading now (03:55:30 PM) Imagineer66: I think it is the presense of the .bzr file (03:55:57 PM) *dinda:* popey: so far just me looking at the old version compared to my new 8.04 default install (03:56:26 PM) *markvandenborre left the room (quit: "Leaving.").* (03:56:42 PM) Imagineer66: "Copying content texts 3/5"... (03:57:18 PM) *emmajane:* Imagineer66, woo! (03:58:02 PM) Imagineer66: taking awhile though (03:58:21 PM) eightyeight: back (03:58:28 PM) *dinda:* okay, I have to jump over into the classroom for open week (03:58:36 PM) Imagineer66: ok