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This is the sixth meeting of the UKTeam, starting at 21:00 GMT and finishing at xx:xx GMT
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- The Open Source Schools movement and what Ubuntu-UK can do to help. -Roberto Sarrionandia
What progress has been made on the mentoring document mentioned last week? - DeanSas
Forum and list integration - Do we, or don't we? - DeanSas
Political Party Conferences - What is the news from Canonical/Jono? - DeanSas
Comic Relief, what and how can we get involved NikButler
- Insert agenda items here
'The Open Source Schools movement and what Ubuntu-UK can do to help - Robert Sarrionandia'
Nothing directly was agreed although AlanPope mentioned that support and awareness of the work of Schoolforge and similar projects would be more appropo.
'What progress has been made on the mentoring document mentioned last week'
'Forum and list integration - Do we, or don't we'
Neuro_ and MDKE were to report back on the project of integrating Mail and Forums for the next meeting.
'Political Party Conferences - What is the news from Canonical/Jono?'
NikButler to ask jono for an appropriate contact in regards to issues or brand concerns with Ubuntu-UK team members running stands at the exhibition.
'Comic Relief, what and how can we get involved'
Many ideas were mooted and wiki page was created, as I type this though I realise that Jonos Big Red one was where the efforts went.
Seeker introduced the scribes and the mootbot which has been helping to track meeting events and votes seekers moot bot will be making a more concerted efforts to help NikButler write up these minutes.
Apologies from NikButler for posting these late. They have been on my GTD list and frankly I could have done better getting them in on time.
Any Other Business
The chairman of the meeting should endeavour to ensure that key points are discussed in an appropriate time. Key Topics from the Agenda should be tabled in the channel using a market such as [ TOPIC ] or * TOPIC * Followed by the agenda item. Where Suggestions or Ideas are put forward and considered as acceptable to the group then it should be noted by the Chairman as [ IDEA ] or * IDEA * . Where a concept is discussed and agreed the use of [ AGREED ] or * AGREED * should be defined by the chairman and should signify the topic is discussed and the meeting is to move on. Be clear on the channel when the meeting is concluded and how and when the minutes will be posted.
21:03 < LoudMouthMan> #startmeeting 21:03 < Mootbot> Meeting started at 21:03. The chair is LoudMouthMan. 21:03 < dsas> c) after you've had a few spoons 21:03 < LoudMouthMan> ahh there we go , can I have a role call please say present let me know your here now. 21:03 < jayteeuk> present 21:03 < popey> dsas: already have :) 21:03 < popey> [present[ 21:03 < Nik_Doof> present 21:03 < stdin> present 21:04 < LoudMouthMan> present 21:04 < dsas> popey: then a. 21:04 < dsas> present 21:04 < andy101> present 21:04 < Owdgit> present 21:05 < LoudMouthMan> anyone else ? hmm okay gazzak is a little quiet . 21:05 < danbuntu> present 21:05 < X3N> i'm sort of here 21:05 < LoudMouthMan> so lets bring this meeting to order with the first topic 21:05 < LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] The Open Source Schools movement and what Ubuntu-UK can do to help - Robert Sarrionandia 21:05 < Mootbot> New topic: The Open Source Schools movement and what Ubuntu-UK can do to help - Robert Sarrionandia 21:05 < LoudMouthMan> Robert, can you explain ? 21:06 < popey> [IDEA] Encourage people to join SchoolForge, as they are already doing this in the UK 21:06 < Mootbot> IDEA received: Encourage people to join SchoolForge, as they are already doing this in the UK 21:06 -!- alecjw [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-uk 21:07 < X3N> good.. 21:07 < LoudMouthMan> Any other comments , is the agenda sponsor here, popey can you expand on that ? 21:07 < popey> not really :) 21:07 < dsas> makes sense to me. No point in duplicating efforts. 21:07 < popey> yes, that's why I suggested it, exactly 21:07 -!- DaveMorris [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-uk 21:07 < popey> why should we do something that schoolforge is already doing 21:08 < jayteeuk> URL please popey? 21:08 < popey> and also distro-agnostic 21:08 < popey> google + schoolforge :) 21:08 < popey> = http://www.schoolforge.net/ 21:08 -!- stdin changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://www.ubuntu-uk.org | Ubuntu FAQ: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members add your picture | UKTeam Meeting in progress : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20070131Meeting 21:08 < Nik_Doof> From my limited experience with school computing when i worked for a council, its the council itself who usually decides their systems. So maybe some advocacy at council level? 21:08 < jayteeuk> For the record. :) 21:08 < popey> schools have some autonomy 21:08 < LoudMouthMan> then all we are left with is to ask popey for a link please and since theres nothing to agree perse id sugest we table it to discuss another time? 21:08 < danbuntu> the problem with schools is m$ practically pay them to take their software 21:08 < andy101> why does google tell me: http://www.shoolforge.org.uk ? 21:09 < popey> thats good too andy101 21:09 < popey> indeed danbuntu 21:09 < andy101> what happened with the EDM, anyone know? 21:09 < jayteeuk> andy101: Looks like schoolforge.net is international, whereas schoolforge.org.uk is UK-centric. 21:09 < popey> andy101: 126 signatories last count 21:10 < popey> that would make sense jayteeuk 21:10 < popey> thanks 21:10 < danbuntu> it's worth taking a look at the karoshi project 21:10 < DaveMorris> PRESENT 21:10 < medders> PRESENT 21:10 < jamesbrose_> PRESENT 21:11 < danbuntu> http://www.karoshi.org.uk/ 21:11 < LoudMouthMan> well okay but the question is how can we help the answer seems to be "go there" the question may be better phrased to chat about what we can say we will do possibly ? 21:11 < popey> indeed, a kent lug member project iirc? 21:12 < popey> I would say we put down that we agree to encourage school requests towards schoolforge and edubuntu 21:12 < DaveMorris> Is Alistair Crust prsent? As he works in a school and has linux running prehaps hae has some more insight 21:13 < LoudMouthMan> [IDEA] invite alistair crust to come to a meeting and answer questions and tell us more about such a thing ? 21:13 < Mootbot> IDEA received: invite alistair crust to come to a meeting and answer questions and tell us more about such a thing ? 21:13 < DaveMorris> I can't remember his nick, but he hangs around in here 21:13 < LoudMouthMan> right couple of minutes left no the topic ? anything else or shall we move on ? 21:13 < LoudMouthMan> on the topic rather . 21:14 < jayteeuk> Do we need someone to scope out schoolforge and report back? 21:14 < jayteeuk> Or just all join en-masse and see how we can muck in? 21:14 < LoudMouthMan> that would be good yes 21:14 < jayteeuk> Those who are interested, of course. 21:15 < LoudMouthMan> indeed 21:15 < LoudMouthMan> next topic ? 21:15 < LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] What progress has been made on the mentoring document mentioned last week 21:15 < Mootbot> New topic: What progress has been made on the mentoring document mentioned last week 21:15 < jayteeuk> I'll try to see what their current activities are and how we can help. 21:15 < LoudMouthMan> none , ive been ill sorry . 21:16 < dsas> where last week means at the last meeting 21:16 < dsas> LoudMouthMan: fair enough :) 21:17 < LoudMouthMan> okay moving on <grin> 21:17 < LoudMouthMan> popey , are we okay to move on or are there anything else you want to add ? 21:17 < popey> no 21:17 < popey> i am aware of nothing 21:17 -!- mafitzpatrick [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-uk 21:17 < popey> [FACT] 21:17 < LoudMouthMan> cool 21:17 < LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Forum and list integration - Do we, or don't we? 21:17 < Mootbot> New topic: Forum and list integration - Do we, or don't we? 21:18 < LoudMouthMan> dsas ? 21:18 < dsas> Right, we discussed this last week, and I don't think really reached a consensus... 21:18 < dsas> uhm, last meeting rather. 21:19 < LoudMouthMan> I believe we hoped for some feedback from MDKE and Neuro_ , now Neuro_ is recording . and I cant see mdke ? 21:19 < dsas> It's technically possible to create a list to forum gateway, where messages on the forum are mailed to the list, and list mails are posted on the forum. Is it something we want? 21:19 < jayteeuk> Was it agreed to enable the forum/list synchronisation on a trial basis? 21:19 < popey> i believe it was 21:19 < jayteeuk> Or was is simply suggested? 21:20 < popey> I think there was overall consensus 21:20 < LoudMouthMan> it was . but we didnt know how . 21:20 < andy101> there has always been a basic web viewer, could we not add a form to that and have the server do the mailling? 21:20 < popey> we speak to the forum people 21:20 < popey> pricechild for example 21:20 * jayteeuk scuttles off to find last meeting's minutes. 21:20 < dsas> andy101: That is not the same as being part of ubuntuforums.org 21:21 < popey> generally "people" want there to be a forum 21:21 < popey> other people dont want to split the community 21:21 < popey> generally the former people hang out on forums 21:21 < jayteeuk> Mailing List It was suggested that a trial of using [ANNOUNCE] in the subject lines for headers on the Ubuntu-UK Mailing list would be proposed by ? and reviewed for a later date. 21:21 < popey> the latter hang out on lists 21:22 < popey> jayteeuk: that wasnt it 21:22 < dsas> right, but this is a Third Way. we get the best of both worlds... 21:22 < popey> that was after we discussed having another list 21:22 < LoudMouthMan> jayteeuk yes that was not related to forum intergration perse 21:22 < popey> not the forum 21:22 < jayteeuk> Ah yes, there's a later item. 21:22 < jayteeuk> MDKE and Neuro_ would investigate the issues relating to intergration of forums and mailists and report back to the team. 21:23 < popey> postpone and chase then 21:23 < LoudMouthMan> My personal view is if a forum wants to exists or a maillist or irc or a group down the pub or three guys in a bus shelter all can exist the question needs to keep being addressed how do we cross communicate to avoid duplication which is the reason people google get confused and come to one place or another and dont know where to start 21:24 < andy101> is neuro_ here? 21:24 < LoudMouthMan> agreed postpone until later . 21:24 < LoudMouthMan> no its a HLR night. 21:24 < popey> andy101: no, he is busy 21:24 < andy101> k 21:24 < dsas> LoudMouthMan: the forums integration will mean all forum messages go to the list and all list messages go to the forum. there's no community splitting and no duplication. 21:24 < jayteeuk> ISTR someone pointed out nabble. 21:24 < jayteeuk> As an example of how it might work. 21:24 < popey> jayteeuk: still no good 21:24 < LoudMouthMan> dsas I know , i hope it works it would be a good thing . 21:24 < popey> that isn't ubuntu forums 21:24 < popey> it's okay 21:24 < jayteeuk> And I think there was some bad feeling towards it. :) 21:24 < popey> all this is possible 21:25 < popey> its just getting people to fscking well do it 21:25 < popey> IMO 21:25 < LoudMouthMan> meanwhile I think we are agreed to table this for now and move on ? 21:25 < popey> yus 21:25 < jayteeuk> Yep. 21:25 < popey> [yes] 21:26 < LoudMouthMan> [AGREE] table this topic until it can be reported back on effectively ? 21:26 < LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Political Party Conferences - What is the news from Canonical/Jono? 21:26 < Mootbot> New topic: Political Party Conferences - What is the news from Canonical/Jono? 21:26 < popey> did anyone contact Jono/Canonical? 21:26 < LoudMouthMan> Ive been pointed in the direction of another person at canonical I will email and chat with them about whats and ifs other than that theres nothing new here yet. 21:27 < LoudMouthMan> popey : yep me . 21:27 < dsas> LoudMouthMan: Cool 21:27 < popey> groovy 21:28 < LoudMouthMan> Since im actually visiting many local MPs and Local Councillors theres a lot to report / talk about in the future but nothing id define just now. 21:28 < dsas> LoudMouthMan: Sounds like you're putting in quite some effort! 21:29 < LoudMouthMan> dsas : thanks . but its all just bridge building at present. 21:29 < popey> pssst, he wants to be PM :) 21:30 < jayteeuk> Out come the posters. ;) 21:30 < dsas> LoudMouthMan for PM and popey for president? Sounds good for free software. 21:30 < LoudMouthMan> popey : ironically I do want to be involved in local politics and my local party , me for PM ? hmm why not .. you for president after all <grin> 21:30 < popey> hahah 21:30 < LoudMouthMan> anyway moving onto the next topic 21:30 < LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Comic Relief, what and how can we get involved 21:30 < Mootbot> New topic: Comic Relief, what and how can we get involved 21:31 < LoudMouthMan> Comic Relief is 16th of March and will be a very public event. id like to request ideas for what we can do at LUG and National levels to promote Ubuntu and benefit Comic Relief on the day . I 21:31 < LoudMouthMan> Ideas should be tabled lets not worry about whats practical just ideas.... 21:32 < LoudMouthMan> [IDEA] sponsored bug fixing 21:32 < Mootbot> IDEA received: sponsored bug fixing 21:32 < popey> [IDEA] wiki page for suggestions 21:32 < Mootbot> IDEA received: wiki page for suggestions 21:32 < popey> (for comic relief) 21:32 < jayteeuk> Damn, I'll be on my way to South Africa that day. 21:32 < popey> takes the pressure off us actually coming up with anything now) 21:32 < LoudMouthMan> popey good point i'll build that and ping the lists/forums as well. 21:32 < LoudMouthMan> sure but im open now the mootbots got space <Grin> 21:32 < DaveMorris> [IDEA} Install fest 21:32 < Mootbot> IDEA received: [IDEA} Install fest 21:33 < popey> might be a bit late to schedule one of them 21:33 < LoudMouthMan> well its an idea . any more ? 21:33 < PriceChild> hey dsas # 21:33 < popey> I know a guy who has organised a large-scale linux installfest in the past 21:34 < popey> he can provide pointers 21:34 < danbuntu> [IDEA] sponsered hack together a relevent program 21:34 < Mootbot> IDEA received: sponsered hack together a relevent program 21:34 < popey> last time I spoke to him he said "never, ever again" 21:34 < Nik_Doof> lol 21:34 < LoudMouthMan> [IDEA] sponsor a day blog one for each canonical staff member or developer to write about what they are doing on 16th march 21:34 < Mootbot> IDEA received: sponsor a day blog one for each canonical staff member or developer to write about what they are doing on 16th march 21:34 < popey> [IDEA] make a game? a comic relief based one 21:34 < Mootbot> IDEA received: make a game? a comic relief based one 21:35 < andy101> I like that idea 21:35 < DaveMorris> [IDEA] Comic relief theme for ubuntu 21:35 < Mootbot> IDEA received: Comic relief theme for ubuntu 21:35 < popey> python + pygame or something 21:35 < jayteeuk> I like the idea. 21:35 < popey> ooo, I LIKE that DaveMorris 21:35 < popey> they will already have desktop images I guess 21:35 < LoudMouthMan> me too for the davemorris 21:35 < popey> but we could have icons etc 21:35 < DaveMorris> icons, screen saver, small games 21:36 < popey> yeah 21:36 < dsas> yeah that does sound like a good idea DaveMorris. Do we have artistic people? 21:36 < DaveMorris> link to donate 21:36 < jayteeuk> Penguins, but with Pudsey instead. :) 21:36 < LoudMouthMan> okay so we are agreed we want to do it and a tux witha rednose ? 21:36 < popey> heh 21:36 < popey> yeah 21:36 < popey> the ubuntu logo with a red nose in the middle 21:36 < LoudMouthMan> pudsey is children in need, comic relief is Red Nose. 21:36 < popey> or something 21:36 < jayteeuk> Yeah, Comic Relief, not Children in Need. 21:37 * Seeker` returns 21:37 < popey> [IDEA] re-theme our site for the day? 21:37 < Mootbot> IDEA received: re-theme our site for the day? 21:37 < DaveMorris> but we get a head start on Children in Need using the same ideas 21:37 < LoudMouthMan> wb Seeker` 21:37 < popey> none of this actually raises money though eh? 21:37 < DaveMorris> I'd theme it for the week starting 16th 21:37 < Seeker`> ty 21:37 < LoudMouthMan> Davemorris indeed. 21:37 < popey> yus 21:38 < DaveMorris> raising awareness helps to raise the money 21:38 < jayteeuk> Only if we have a donate link or something I guess. 21:38 < LoudMouthMan> okay so are we agreed to do something to 1) raise money 2) make something newsworthy regarding Ubuntu and Comic Relief for th 16th ? 21:38 < popey> yus 21:38 < andy101> [IDEA] Sell Ubuntu CDs (and/or other FOSS), donate profits to RND 21:38 < Mootbot> IDEA received: Sell Ubuntu CDs (and/or other FOSS), donate profits to RND 21:39 < popey> good one 21:39 < LoudMouthMan> I'll volunteer to manage the rundown on this and accept any helpers unless someone feel strongly enough to take it on . 21:39 < Seeker`> [idea 21:40 < Seeker`> [idea] sponsered something 21:40 < Mootbot> IDEA received: sponsered something 21:40 < LoudMouthMan> well then , any other ideas ? 21:40 < DaveMorris> [IDEA] london mathron dressed as Tux 21:40 < Mootbot> IDEA received: london mathron dressed as Tux 21:41 < Seeker`> [IDEA] tube marathon, wearing ubuntu logos 21:41 < Mootbot> IDEA received: tube marathon, wearing ubuntu logos 21:41 < popey> [IDEA] london marathon dressed as linford christie dressed as Tux 21:41 < DaveMorris> thought I'd bring it up now as it will involve a bit of training before hand 21:41 < Mootbot> IDEA received: london marathon dressed as linford christie dressed as Tux 21:41 < Seeker`> where you try to get round all of the tube stations in 24 hrs 21:41 < LoudMouthMan> [AGREE] plan to be involved in Comic Relief on 16th March and to define a project via a wiki page to host ideas. 21:41 < jayteeuk> Does Ubuntu have a similar iconic character? 21:41 < popey> no jayteeuk 21:41 < Seeker`> jayteeuk: popey 21:41 < popey> just the circle of friends 21:41 < DaveMorris> [IDEA] create ubuntu iconic character 21:41 < Mootbot> IDEA received: create ubuntu iconic character 21:41 < LoudMouthMan> so Gentleman and Ladies, any other business? 21:41 < jayteeuk> Which is a bit difficult to dress up as. :) 21:41 < popey> lol 21:42 < LoudMouthMan> im still working on the ingredients to a ubuntu pizza 21:42 < Seeker`> I would like to advertise the Ubuntu Scribes 21:42 < LoudMouthMan> Seeker` you have topic. 21:42 < LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Ubuntu-Scribes 21:42 < Mootbot> New topic: Ubuntu-Scribes 21:42 < Seeker`> right 21:42 < DaveMorris> what are ubuntu scribes? 21:42 * popey gets some wine and sausages 21:42 < popey> i suspect Seeker` is typing that right now da 21:43 < popey> er 21:43 < popey> DaveMorris: 21:43 < Seeker`> I am trying to set up a new team, called the Ubuntu Scribes 21:43 < jayteeuk> Pass it round popey. ;) 21:43 < Seeker`> The main aim of the group is to create a centralised repository of meeting logs 21:43 < Seeker`> and to improve the quality of meeting summaries 21:43 -!- GazzaK [n=Dogbert@unaffiliated/GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-uk 21:43 < popey> you know scribes is a package in ubuntu? 21:44 < Seeker`> This will be aided by MootBot 21:44 < popey> \o/ Mootbot 21:44 * Mootbot 21:44 < GazzaK> sorry I am late 21:44 * Mootbot bows 21:45 -!- rbs-tito [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-uk 21:45 < rbs-tito> hi 21:45 < Seeker`> We are having our first meeting to decided how exactly we can do this in #ubuntu-scribes on 5th February 21:45 < Seeker`> at 2000 UTC 21:45 < DaveMorris> UTC=GMT? 21:45 < Seeker`> yes 21:45 < LoudMouthMan> I think a point is that we feel the Ubuntu-uk had productive and controlled meetings with clear output and goal settings which leads to productive and synergistic realisation of ideals. we want to share it with other teams. 21:45 < Ruffles> I dig, You dig, He digs, We dig, They dig. Not poetic, but deep... 21:46 < popey> DING DING DING DING DING 21:46 < Ruffles> DaveMorris, UTC isn't GMT 21:46 < popey> Bullshitometer just exploded LoudMouthMan 21:46 < jayteeuk> Give or take a second or too. :) 21:46 < jayteeuk> s/too/swo 21:46 < dsas> \o/ synergy 21:46 < andy101> Ruffles: yes it is 21:46 < jayteeuk> Sod it 21:46 < Ruffles> andy101, no it's not 21:46 < andy101> what time do you make it UTC? 21:46 < DaveMorris> I wish I never asked now 21:46 < popey> it is right now 21:46 < LoudMouthMan> okay how about . our meetings make things happen e.g. screencasts, edm, mootbot, wikipages etc etc 21:46 < Ruffles> andy101, gmt = greenwhich meridian time.. utc = universal time something.. 21:47 < LoudMouthMan> we want to share that experience and the benefits of mootbot. 21:47 < popey> andy101: Ruffles: please dont argue about this, we are having a meeting 21:47 < DaveMorris> yeah sounds like a good idea 21:47 < popey> i say we pimp ubuntu-scribes meeting 21:47 < popey> Seeker`: have you created a team? 21:47 < Seeker`> popey: +1 21:47 < jayteeuk> Certainly something the community would benefit from. 21:47 < Seeker`> we are in the process of creating it 21:47 < DaveMorris> *tries to find his diray 21:48 < popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scribes 21:48 * popey joins 21:48 -!- jamesbrose_ [email@example.com] has quit ["Nooooo!"] 21:48 < Seeker`> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam 21:48 < DaveMorris> [IDEA] bot which you can subscribe to and it reminds on that day about it 21:48 < LoudMouthMan> I will be attending and I know seeker` put a lot of work and heart into mootbot. I think constructive and controlled meetings are the way to go for many irc meetings . if only to avoid catching the late trains home in the future eh popey . 21:48 < DaveMorris> about meetings in irc 21:48 < Mootbot> IDEA received: bot which you can subscribe to and it reminds on that day about it 21:50 < Seeker`> DaveMorris: That may take a while to do 21:50 < andy101> Does launchpad not have a calendar or something? 21:50 < popey> yes 21:50 < dsas> no 21:50 < popey> for official meetings 21:50 < popey> there is a system isn't there? 21:50 < dsas> they took the calendar out. 21:50 < popey> oh :( 21:51 < LoudMouthMan> So thanks again to seeker` for the bot and lets see if we can help make things happen well and ordered. 21:51 < dsas> they said no-one uses it and it had issues...or something. 21:51 < DaveMorris> seeker, just an emailing system would do 21:52 < Seeker`> DaveMorris: Its the keeping track of meetings that is more difficult 21:52 < dsas> DaveMorris: It's not very fine-grained, but there is a calendar feed available on fridge.ubuntu.com 21:52 < LoudMouthMan> okay well there isa meeting to discuss the finite varieties of the project so lets note this and give ausimage and seeker` some ubunutu-uk support . 21:53 < PriceChild> ping dsas 21:53 < dsas> pong PriceChild 21:53 < PriceChild> dsas, <ubuntu-geek> Yeah we could setup something for sure. 21:53 < LoudMouthMan> so do we have any other business ? 21:53 < jayteeuk> andy101: Ruffles: DaveMorris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC 21:53 < jayteeuk> I have more of a question really. 21:54 < andy101> BBC Consultation? 21:54 < LoudMouthMan> go on 21:54 < jayteeuk> So I'm happy for it not to be an official topic. 21:54 < LoudMouthMan> well ask and ill decide <grin> 21:54 < dsas> LoudMouthMan: Yeah, PriceChild has been in touch with UbuntuGeek and said we can set up forum integration 21:54 -!- rbs-tito [firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:54 < Ruffles> jayteeuk, i already know UTC isn't GMT 21:54 < LoudMouthMan> dsas : okay lets table this for now ill note it later . 21:54 < Ruffles> jayteeuk, but thanks anyway 21:55 < LoudMouthMan> jayteeuk fire away 21:55 < jayteeuk> Relating to advocacy. When handing out CDs to people and lending them support getting started, is there a way of demonstrating it in support of Ubuntu membership application? 21:55 < popey> jayteeuk: help them via the support ticket system :) 21:56 < popey> then its all documented 21:56 < PriceChild> a present ubuntu member being able to back you would also do probably... 21:56 < popey> they like to see evidence of work done 21:56 < GazzaK> jayteeuk, you could get a few to join the CC meetings to "\o/ yay" you? 21:56 < jayteeuk> For example, does the LiveCD or a fresh install ask "How did you get your Ubuntu disc?" or something? 21:56 < jayteeuk> Just a thought really. 21:56 < popey> no, but you could sick a label on the back of the cardboard cover "For support, call me - jayteeuk .." 21:57 < LoudMouthMan> jayteeuk good question . directly no theres no clear answer but if your an advocate then you could ask them to blog ( http://paulshepard.wordpress.com ) or get them to come into the irc and the community . I guess. 21:57 < popey> but make sure you have evidence of your work 21:57 < GazzaK> or just blame popey and put his personal number on it? 21:57 < popey> wiki pages, launchpad entries, whatever 21:57 < LoudMouthMan> popey : good point , ive yet to find out who we can ask to edit the cd cover cardboard containers to create a suitable blank space for just such a label. 21:58 < jayteeuk> So generally get them to use the "official channels" where possible. 21:58 < jayteeuk> And big me up in IRC when they get the chance. :) 21:58 -!- danbuntu [email@example.com] has quit ["screw you guy's, I'm going home- (oh wait, i'm already there)"] 21:58 < LoudMouthMan> jayteeuk : better question is : are you thinking of becoming a Ubuntumember ? 21:59 < LoudMouthMan> because id like to see some new members put forward if possible. 21:59 < jayteeuk> LoudMouthMan: Yes, I'd love to. 21:59 * Seeker` wants to be a member 21:59 < PriceChild> LoudMouthMan, I saw a really good design by i think it was ohio... 21:59 < jayteeuk> But I don't think I'm anywhere near that level of contribution yet. 21:59 < LoudMouthMan> Seeker` you should , and jayteeuk youd get my sponsorship. 21:59 < PriceChild> LoudMouthMan, they're basically sorting their own dvd case labels and a booklet for inside. 21:59 < GazzaK> I'd like to be a member too, someday 21:59 < stdin> reminds me to actually get round to my wiki page 22:00 < PriceChild> GazzaK, never happen.... the whole irc council would perma ban you at the mere suggestion :P 22:00 < Nik_Doof> i actually need to start contributing 22:00 < Nik_Doof> instead of idling 22:00 < LoudMouthMan> cruel PriceChild, cruel .. .heheh 22:00 < jayteeuk> I do also intend to add myself to the support page on ubuntu.com once I've sorted out my web site. 22:00 < andy101> oh but idling is so much easier 22:00 < Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: If ubuntu-scribes gets going do you think it would be enough to get membership? 22:00 < LoudMouthMan> yes Nik_doof and by the way , welcome to the channel <Grin> 22:00 < jayteeuk> Well, request to be added at least. 22:00 < Nik_Doof> thank you :) 22:00 < LoudMouthMan> Seeker` mootbot should be enough in my opinion. but yes. 22:00 < GazzaK> oh, news update - my last convertee, is very very happy with ubuntu, and she (who is 9) thinks "it's wicked" and so much better than windows :-))) 22:00 < LoudMouthMan> and Nik_doof since my name is Nik ... hello also 22:01 < GazzaK> PriceChild, thats horrid :'( 22:01 * PriceChild huggles GazzaK 22:01 < LoudMouthMan> okay I think we can wrap up this meeting yes ? 22:01 < andy101> I have something 22:01 < LoudMouthMan> andy101 go on ? 22:01 < GazzaK> did I miss anything important btw? 22:01 < DaveMorris> is there a link for ubuntu membership info? 22:01 < PriceChild> !member | DaveMorris 22:01 < ubotu> DaveMorris: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember 22:02 < jayteeuk> DaveMorris: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto 22:02 < LoudMouthMan> andy101 go on . 22:02 < andy101> Are we as the Ubuntu-uk community, or canonical them selves going to respond to the BBC trusts call for concultation, particularly about downloads for non windows platforms? 22:02 < jayteeuk> Oh OK. :) 22:02 < popey> we should 22:02 < popey> individually 22:02 < popey> more voices == better 22:02 < stdin> how about as an "entity" too ? 22:03 < LoudMouthMan> andy101 I think we should individually and we should Blog and mail list about our responses as well. 22:03 < popey> does ubuntu-uk pay a license fee? 22:03 < jayteeuk> :D 22:03 < DaveMorris> how about an open letter which we sign at LUG's 22:03 < stdin> popey: good point :P 22:03 < popey> nope 22:03 < popey> individuals DaveMorris 22:03 < LoudMouthMan> Canonical is not equal to ubuntu as a community so think of them just like a whole other company whom happen to pay money for ubuntu stuff to happen , if that makes sense 22:03 < popey> open letter == one person doing work, lots of signatures 22:03 < popey> individuals == lots of people == lots of license payers 22:04 < popey> they dont want a letter or a petition, they want feedback 22:04 < popey> the site clearly asks specific questions 22:04 < LoudMouthMan> but we should begin to learn from our experiences re: EDM in order to be better at campaigning. so we should add this to our knowledge of how to approach it. 22:04 < jayteeuk> I think it has to be done on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes it would be better to approach as an organisation, but in this case I agree it'd be better to go as individuals. 22:04 < stdin> 1000 letters/email is going to get more attention than 1 22:04 < popey> IMO individuals should answer those questions individually 22:04 < popey> stdin: ++ 22:05 < popey> jayteeuk: if the organisation were a TV lobby group, yes, I would agree 22:05 < popey> we aren't though 22:05 < LoudMouthMan> indeed. i have answered them. 22:05 < DaveMorris> which carries more weight? Mail or email? 22:05 < popey> neither 22:05 < GazzaK> mail 22:05 < Nik_Doof> mail 22:05 < popey> use the form they ask you to fill in! 22:05 < GazzaK> email is very light :p 22:05 < LoudMouthMan> the postman ? 22:06 < LoudMouthMan> no sorry <grin> 22:06 < jayteeuk> Popey: URL again please, for the record? 22:06 < popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open-consultations/ondemand_services.html# 22:06 < LoudMouthMan> right have we answered the question ? 22:06 < andy101> I think so 22:06 < popey> read the pdf, follow instructions, answer questions 22:06 < jayteeuk> You saw that coming. ;) 22:07 < popey> I need to go 22:07 < popey> are we done? 22:07 < LoudMouthMan> andy101 okay , can I ask you to refer to the last meeting notes we are trying to co-ordinate campaign data and howtos specific to EDMs if your interested could you add/give thought to the document as well relating to this. 22:07 < LoudMouthMan> I believe we are done . 22:07 < stdin> if everyone can Add/Edit your Comic Relief ideas here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/CharityWork/ComicReliefIdeas :) 22:07 < LoudMouthMan> stdin : cheers <grin> 22:07 < stdin> no problem :D 22:07 < LoudMouthMan> okay so shall we meet in 2 or 3 weeks time ? 22:08 < Seeker`> 3 22:08 < LoudMouthMan> 14th or 21st <grin> 22:08 < Seeker`> 14th 22:08 < Seeker`> 9pm 22:08 < popey> hahah 22:08 < DaveMorris> 21st would be safer 22:08 < LoudMouthMan> err you mean 21st at 9pm <grin> 22:08 < jayteeuk> I think so. :) 22:08 < popey> for your nuts? 22:08 < DaveMorris> yeah 22:08 < LoudMouthMan> i know we are geeks but some of us want typing privileges... 22:08 < popey> agreed 22:09 * popey takes away LoudMouthMans typing privs 22:09 < DaveMorris> My misses gets violent at times 22:09 -!- elate [firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit ["All I want for Christmas is a sleeping pattern."] 22:09 < popey> chmod -w LoudMouthMan 22:09 < LoudMouthMan> [AGREE] the next meeting of the Ubuntu-UK will be on the 21st February at 9pm 22:09 < popey> \o/ 22:09 < LoudMouthMan> #ENDMEETING 22:09 < popey> one week before fosdem 22:09 < Mootbot> Meeting finished at 22:09. 22:09 < jayteeuk> Rock on. 22:09 < popey> we should arrange a meet up there too :) 22:09 < LoudMouthMan> well done everyone and thanks for your time .. another productive meeting is in the can. 22:10 < LoudMouthMan> popey agreed: