||<>|| = Meeting opened by TheOpenSourcerer at 21:00 = <'''<>'''> Are we missing a popey or Daviey for any input <'''<>'''> Good evening everyone and thanks for being here. I will try and ensure that this meeting keeps on subject and flows swiftly. Here's the Agenda: <'''<>'''> HazRPG: i set an android alarm, <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda ||<#FF5555>'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda''|| <'''<>'''> present. o/ <'''<>'''> Please try to keep comments within the relevant topic, when I close a topic by posting the next one you may finish the line you are typing and return to it in any other business or after the meeting. <'''<>'''> brobostigon: I should remember to do that <'''<>'''> We are using MootBot [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot. If a vote is called you can say +1, 0 or -1 to record your vote. <'''<>'''> HazRPG: :) <'''<>'''> Want to do a roll call then? <'''<>'''> :) <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> sure <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> OK - Moving swiftly on to the first topic of the evening: <'''<>'''> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting ||<#FF5555>'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting''|| <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] Review of action items from last meeting == Review of action items from last meeting == <'''<>'''> As you may see, there weren't any actions that were actually *recorded* in the last meeting according to the Wiki, so this could be a very short topic. <'''<>'''> ooh, am i actually around for a meeting? <'''<>'''> If anyone thinks they did have an action and wants to discuss it please do so now. <'''<>'''> dutchie: seems so * '''<>''' skims the minutes <'''<>'''> However, reading through the recorded minutes of the last one, I do note the following discussions took place (abridged somewhat by me): <'''<>'''> so candtalan and barrydrake to report back about novatech and maplin? <'''<>'''> ok <'''<>'''> YEP <'''<>'''> I also believe we decided to start an Etherpad type page to dicuss and plan a campaign to talk to PC retailers about trying to hold in-store "Ubuntu Days"... <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> Why not use an etherpad page to do some prep <'''<>'''> yeah, we could mail the list and put a page together, good idea TheOpenSourcerer * '''<>''' failed to send feedback to maggie :( <'''<>'''> So there are consistent messages etc <'''<>'''> get some collaboration going <'''<>'''> yes, agreed <'''<>'''> I note that there were no timescales assigned. So can I suggest that we record these as actions now for the record? Then they can be followed up in future meetings? <'''<>'''> +1 * '''<>''' succeeded in getting beta.ubuntu.org up and running <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> or popey did to be accurate <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> AlanBell: congrats, impressive, :) <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> Thanks. <'''<>'''> OK. <'''<>'''> [ACTION] candtalan and barrydrake to report back about approaches to Novatech and Maplin? ||<#FF5555>'' candtalan and barrydrake to report back about approaches to Novatech and Maplin?''|| <'''<>'''> and <'''<>'''> [ACTION] Create an Etherpad style page in the first instance to collect ideas and "messages" to use. ||<#FF5555>'' Create an Etherpad style page in the first instance to collect ideas and "messages" to use.''|| <'''<>'''> Anyone else want to add any actions that should be here? ||<#FF5555>'' http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuInStore''|| <'''<>'''> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuInStore <'''<>'''> there, we'll start that <'''<>'''> Great. <'''<>'''> Thanks popey <'''<>'''> OK, if nothing more, next then. <'''<>'''> [PROGRESS REPORT] People who have achieved something in February, please place it in the report. === People who have achieved something in February, please place it in the report. === <'''<>'''> url? <'''<>'''> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/March ||<#FF5555>'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/March''|| <'''<>'''> That one? * '''<>''' got natty working :) <'''<>'''> win <'''<>'''> Anyone want to quickly mention any activities they have got up to for the record? <'''<>'''> any more to add to this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/February <'''<>'''> Guessing we need to create that page? <'''<>'''> Yep. :-) * '''<>''' checks against http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan <'''<>'''> the ODF plugfest was interesting <'''<>'''> And the OSSG? <'''<>'''> and I handed out about 25 CDs at the meeting with the home office chap <'''<>'''> Nice. <'''<>'''> including one to Tariq of the Home Office and Qumar of the Cabinet Office <'''<>'''> AlanBell: nice <'''<>'''> An extra house point for AlanBell I think. <'''<>'''> and I think the chap from the MoD got one too :) <'''<>'''> agreed, TheOpenSourcerer <'''<>'''> indeed <'''<>'''> Anyone else get up to anything then "Ubuntu-esque" then? * '''<>''' wonders whether popey should mention the podcast <'''<>'''> its on the march page <'''<>'''> ok <'''<>'''> OK? <'''<>'''> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/March <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: Erm, I've been learning how to install/setup Ubuntu Server recently <'''<>'''> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/March ||<#FF5555>'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/March''|| <'''<>'''> HazRPG: Have you told anyone else about it goodness? <'''<>'''> is anyone doing an Ubuntu Developer week presentation? <'''<>'''> because that should go on March if you are <'''<>'''> Been taking notes of everything I learn and will slowly be posting them on my blog, and then later maybe make some videos to put up on the ubuntu/ubuntu-uk site <'''<>'''> Great, <'''<>'''> Anyone else or shall we move on? <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: So far, my friends and people on #ubunut-uk ... but like I said, videos on the way hopefully :) <'''<>'''> I will take that as a let's move on then... <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] AlanBell - Quiz night == AlanBell - Quiz night == <'''<>'''> Over to you AlanBell <'''<>'''> yup, ok <'''<>'''> AlanBell: Ubuntu Developer week? <'''<>'''> :) <'''<>'''> so we have some schwag left over from the cloud expo event <'''<>'''> and we decided the best way to dispose of it would be to use it as a prize in a quiz night <'''<>'''> good thinking, <'''<>'''> I have a team of crack quizmasters beavering away in dictionary corner making questions <'''<>'''> hehe <'''<>'''> and I fixed the quiz bot that we have in the #ubuntu-trivia channel <'''<>'''> nice <'''<>'''> and if I never see TCL again it will be too soon <'''<>'''> What are some of the great prizes AlanBell ? <'''<>'''> oh yes, for the winners we have some baseball caps, for that American gangsta look <'''<>'''> And what type of questions, Ubuntu/Linux/FSF or general knowledge/sport/General mix etc <'''<>'''> wear with a hoodie to avoid being dragged on tiresome trips round shopping centres <'''<>'''> ooo the ubuntu hoodie? <'''<>'''> for the loser, we have a copy of the official Ubuntu Book, Edition 5 <'''<>'''> schweet! <'''<>'''> HazRPG: no, you have to provide your own hoodie <'''<>'''> Sounds great. <'''<>'''> oh the schweet was for the bookt ^^ <'''<>'''> the questions will be on Ubuntu * '''<>''' just had the vision of AlanBell as a hormonal teenager in ubuntu cap and hoodie. <'''<>'''> brobostigon: same <'''<>'''> ^^ <'''<>'''> a whole new category of questions that have not been loaded into the bot as yet <'''<>'''> brobostigon: You are not that far from the truth <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: hehe, :) <'''<>'''> some, all, or none of the questions may have been written by picking random bits out of the book <'''<>'''> ok, <'''<>'''> ooh, a quiz night <'''<>'''> So when will the quiz take place? <'''<>'''> doodle poll? <'''<>'''> Do we want to decide now or ask further afield? <'''<>'''> I would like to kinda decide now <'''<>'''> not on a pub night, :( <'''<>'''> and I think it should be part drinking game too * '''<>''' checks diary <'''<>'''> [IDEA] Quiz should be part drinking game too ||<#FF5555>'' Quiz should be part drinking game too''|| <'''<>'''> Maybe the easter weekend could be a good idea, or Royal wedding weekend, although somewhat far off <'''<>'''> oh wait, so is this an actual quiz meetup or a bot-based one? * '''<>''' doesnt like AlanBell's idea. <'''<>'''> HazRPG: bot based <'''<>'''> Both bank holidays so a fair number of people are likely not to be concerned with work the next day <'''<>'''> drinking isn't compulsory, don't worry <'''<>'''> heh, would be interesting if we could setup a VoIP or V/VoIP conference up too :) <'''<>'''> You could always pretend too? * '''<>''' just doesnt like drinking games- <'''<>'''> HazRPG: it would be a good time to try a mumble server or something <'''<>'''> Hmm, where did that question mark come from? <'''<>'''> AlanBell: I've setup mumble countless times, so I could assist in that :) <'''<>'''> HazRPG: interesting idea, :) <'''<>'''> can even host it on my new VPS I've setup with my new ubuntu server skills (WIP) <'''<>'''> I think a lot of people go to visit family over easter <'''<>'''> yeah, pub quiz + mumble sounds fun <'''<>'''> what is mumble,? <'''<>'''> brobostigon: it's like irc for voice chat <'''<>'''> open source skype <'''<>'''> Thanks brobostigon <'''<>'''> basically <'''<>'''> I was wondering who'd ask. <'''<>'''> interesting, <'''<>'''> How long do you think the Quiz would take AlanBell <'''<>'''> Its a voice service much like TeamSpeak/Ventrilo/Skype <'''<>'''> flash or something similer needed? <'''<>'''> brobostigon: nope, but mumble needs to be installed on your machine (in the repo) <'''<>'''> no, it has its own dedicated client <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: half an hour to an hour I should think, depends how fast we go through the questions and how many get written <'''<>'''> HazRPG: ah, i see. <'''<>'''> we can always go on to the generic linux questions, there are thousands of them <'''<>'''> so dates <'''<>'''> week day or weekend? <'''<>'''> Not Fridays for me :-) <'''<>'''> I don't mind helping with setting up mumble, and maybe having like a pre-quiz "get mumble working" thing going <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: same here, <'''<>'''> i'm a student, so every day is simultaneously a work day and weekend <'''<>'''> I'm flexible <'''<>'''> \o/ <'''<>'''> also thursday might be difficult. <'''<>'''> I see my elves are up to Q29 now <'''<>'''> Weekend would suit me better, early starts on weekday mornings mean early to bed <'''<>'''> as long as I have a day I can write down/save - I'm sorted :) * '''<>''' suspects Saturday might be best * '''<>''' would agree with popey <'''<>'''> Yeah, Saturday probably be best for a lot of people. <'''<>'''> How long away from now then approximately? <'''<>'''> how about March 19th after lots of rugby? <'''<>'''> i am open, really. <'''<>'''> march 19th is perfect for me <'''<>'''> i was about to say i was busy both the next two * '''<>''' staggers in late, sorry <'''<>'''> 19th will be bad. Will not be back till late. <'''<>'''> And will be very drunk. <'''<>'''> Daviey: talking about setting up a quiz night to get rid of some ubuntu swag <'''<>'''> late is a problem, drunk isn't so much <'''<>'''> I can't do 26th <'''<>'''> Just a thought, IRC rather than voice may make it easier deciding who gets the correct answer first rather than trying to listen to multiple voices shouting an answer <'''<>'''> I can't do the 2nd April. <'''<>'''> DJones: we have the technology <'''<>'''> DJones: quizbot in #ubuntu-trivia <'''<>'''> DJones: voip isn't for the quiz ;) <'''<>'''> 9th then? <'''<>'''> Can I suggest you do a doodle poll AlanBell? <'''<>'''> DJones: its just so we can have a banter while the quiz is on <'''<>'''> At least we can get some more people to join in as well. <'''<>'''> May be worth opening this up to the mailing list as well <'''<>'''> (to decide upon the date) <'''<>'''> yeah, ok, I will do a doodle picking several dates including 9th, 16th April and some others <'''<>'''> action me up <'''<>'''> Sounds a good plan <'''<>'''> I don't know what you mean by doodle, but we could setup a pad with dates, listed, and people just tally their votes on it <'''<>'''> [ACTION] AlanBell to do a doodle picking several dates including 9th, 16th April and some others ||<#FF5555>'' AlanBell to do a doodle picking several dates including 9th, 16th April and some others''|| <'''<>'''> HazRPG: don't worry, it will all make sense <'''<>'''> ok, probably done on the quiz for now then <'''<>'''> Are we done for now on this one? <'''<>'''> Thanks for that AlanBell. <'''<>'''> Moving on then. <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] Any Other Business == Any Other Business == <'''<>'''> Anyone AOB to discuss? <'''<>'''> Erm... <'''<>'''> Silence is golden as they say ... * '''<>''' thinks <'''<>'''> One thing I thought of that isn't on the schedule, given Daviey's plans on stepping down as UK contact is to consider a replacement <'''<>'''> Or pressgang a volunteer, maybe something to take to the next meeting so people can think & Daviey can hopefully list out what the responisbilities are <'''<>'''> DJones, Yes... It;s already scheduled to have closed <'''<>'''> The process is underway I thought. <'''<>'''> Daviey: ok, no worries, I hadn't realised <'''<>'''> Whilst I believe AlanBell would make a super replacement, i am somewhat concerned with it being a one horse race. * '''<>''' is not a horse <'''<>'''> Ha <'''<>'''> His wife would confirm that. <'''<>'''> just like to be clear on that point you understand <'''<>'''> OI!! <'''<>'''> AlanBell, don't look so long in the face about it. <'''<>'''> AlanBell: Nay! <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> harsh lol <'''<>'''> I have one for AOB I think... <'''<>'''> So... <'''<>'''> Daviey: whats the plan then? <'''<>'''> Any initial plans/ideas suggestions for the Natty release party? <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer, Hold fire <'''<>'''> hang on TheOpenSourcerer :) <'''<>'''> OK. * '''<>''' wont be, but might suggest one in oxford. <'''<>'''> I'd like a vote... <'''<>'''> 0 <'''<>'''> A) Just Declare AlanBell new leader <'''<>'''> B) Have an election with AlanBell and "None of the above" <'''<>'''> C) Chase for more potential candidates <'''<>'''> do we have quorum? :) <'''<>'''> I have a question before that. How did you get the role Daviey? * '''<>''' votes for 2 weeks of C) followed by A) if nobody steps up <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer, vote <'''<>'''> Any other candidates? <'''<>'''> 2nds popey's notion * '''<>''' nominates Phinias/Ferb/Insert Random nick here :) <'''<>'''> +1 for popey' idea. <'''<>'''> Yeah - +1 for popey 's idea <'''<>'''> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/teamlead09 <'''<>'''> ^^^ the vote that happened last time <'''<>'''> although, I'm fine with AlanBell getting it though :) <'''<>'''> Do we have general agreement on popey 's plan? <'''<>'''> seems that way <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> Being totally honest, I don't see anybody more appropriate to being appointed to the role than AlanBell, unless TheOpenSourcerer decides to stand against him <'''<>'''> do a vote on it TheOpenSourcerer <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> for what its worth, thats what we do in other teams / councils / boards in Ubuntu <'''<>'''> There was one other person that expressed an interest some weeks ago <'''<>'''> But can't remember who that was... adn they haven't stepped up <'''<>'''> hmm, if you make it 2 weeks today for example, then we could end it on the next meeting <'''<>'''> ++1 <'''<>'''> I don't feel that there enough of us here to decide on the role itself? <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: there is no constitutional setup for the team to determine that :) <'''<>'''> Yeah <'''<>'''> traditionally the outgoing person set the terms for the next one <'''<>'''> equally, it's always been a point of contention if it is purely PoC or Leader <'''<>'''> Daviey then? Your choice I reckon <'''<>'''> I'm not saying its right or wrong <'''<>'''> it just was the way we did it <'''<>'''> do we prehaps need a proper constitution? <'''<>'''> ideally I'd like a policy set and it be reused <'''<>'''> agreed <'''<>'''> That sounds like an Action for daubers :) <'''<>'''> but nothing too onerous <'''<>'''> fwiw nominations were called for on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/2011Election <'''<>'''> personally a proper vote should be done <'''<>'''> [IDEA] popey would ideally like a policy set and it be reused ||<#FF5555>'' popey would ideally like a policy set and it be reused''|| <'''<>'''> that way, no one can complain if they didn't vote <'''<>'''> i dont think its unreasonable to extend the call <'''<>'''> When did that nominations page get created <'''<>'''> we could spend the time gettin the word out <'''<>'''> we need allpossible candiates time to come forward. <'''<>'''> it should also be detailed what the role entails <'''<>'''> Can we vote on a 2 week notice from today then? <'''<>'''> DJones: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/2011Election?action=info <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm happy to <'''<>'''> :) <'''<>'''> Do we need to? <'''<>'''> So, nearly 3 weeks and only AlanBell has put his name forward <'''<>'''> +1, <'''<>'''> ah yes, I remember seeing that in the last meeting <'''<>'''> volunteer for blog post calling for candidates? <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> awesome :) <'''<>'''> will write it tonight <'''<>'''> o/ <'''<>'''> and will post it to mailing list <'''<>'''> (if you want) <'''<>'''> To avoid disputes, probably better to notify the list/irc of a 2 week notice period for the vote <'''<>'''> An Action then. <'''<>'''> probably best to post on the mailing list :) <'''<>'''> Would 1 week make the process faster? <'''<>'''> Don't wanna just needlessly linger <'''<>'''> 2 weeks would allow us to pimp it on the podcast ;) <'''<>'''> hah <'''<>'''> then what, A or B? <'''<>'''> candiate pimping, <'''<>'''> hmm. <'''<>'''> How is the vote to be carried out? next meeting, poll, Mailing list etc <'''<>'''> Something like this? <'''<>'''> Team to call for candidates. Unless anyone else comes in 2 weeks, AlanBell gets it by default? <'''<>'''> DJones: condorcet <'''<>'''> AlanBell: Fair enough <'''<>'''> everyone in the lp team is eligible <'''<>'''> and the team gets locked before the vote <'''<>'''> so people dont join 20 people to vote <'''<>'''> DJones: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-February/028779.html <'''<>'''> Can I suggest an action: "team effort to try and garner some more candidates for two weeks from today?" <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> 17th March closing date. <'''<>'''> Midday. <'''<>'''> yup <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> next meeting on 17th at 21:00, to kick off the vote or nominate? <'''<>'''> hmm.. we need a venue for the crowning ceremony... and i need to get the crown cleaned. <'''<>'''> Hmm, not that many supporters. Any decenters for that suggestion? <'''<>'''> No? * '''<>''' is abstaining from decisions about voting procedures <'''<>'''> OK then. <'''<>'''> [ACTION] team effort to try and garner some more candidates for two weeks. Closing date 17th March 12:00 ||<#FF5555>'' team effort to try and garner some more candidates for two weeks. Closing date 17th March 12:00''|| <'''<>'''> sounds good to me <'''<>'''> yup <'''<>'''> Anything else on this subject? * '''<>''' is writing a blog post as we speak :) <'''<>'''> if there should be no other candidates what happens? <'''<>'''> popey, I have a draft, if that helps? :) * '''<>''' pins medal to popey's chest <'''<>'''> haha <'''<>'''> AlanBell, I say you just get it.... <'''<>'''> the suggestion was that AlanBell gets it <'''<>'''> AlanBell: I would guess you get the position <'''<>'''> "None of the above" doesn't help * '''<>''' puts a snooker ball in a sock and goes to give AlanBell it <'''<>'''> .. i suspect most are ambivalent <'''<>'''> +12 <'''<>'''> I think you are right Daviey <'''<>'''> But we should also try to be fair and inclusive. <'''<>'''> Agreed <'''<>'''> AlanBell should just get it if nothing comes out of the polls/calls to candidates <'''<>'''> great, I hope there are other candidates actually, the CIVS process is cool for democracy geeks <'''<>'''> obviously during the next meeting <'''<>'''> You started the "one horse race" discussion in the first place. <'''<>'''> OK - can we move on then? <'''<>'''> would be cool if I get to experience the CIVS process (pretending to know what that means) <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: Sure <'''<>'''> HazRPG: The throw your hat into the proverbial ring. <'''<>'''> OK. Still on AOB then. ||<#FF5555>'' http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html''|| <'''<>'''> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html <'''<>'''> Any plans/ideas suggestions for the release party? <'''<>'''> It's next month. <'''<>'''> Ooo <'''<>'''> TheOpenSourcerer: i wont be doing one again, but might do an afternoon, over in oxford. <'''<>'''> from the plan: "London release party with the Ubuntu release team - Looking for a venue near milbank - John Stevenson @JR0cket" <'''<>'''> I'll be in London o/ <'''<>'''> heh <'''<>'''> when is it? <'''<>'''> 28th April I think <'''<>'''> "When it's ready" :) <'''<>'''> :P <'''<>'''> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <'''<>'''> I would like to do one, but I haven't a clue where to start - and I have a feeling there's not enough interest in cumbria for it <'''<>'''> I didn't have any ideas myself - I just thought I'd ask. <'''<>'''> but would be nice if we could get one going <'''<>'''> Daviey: would it be Gerry Carr and team organising it? <'''<>'''> from the Canonical side <'''<>'''> AlanBell, Suspect not <'''<>'''> esp since I don't know any venues in Carlisle that would lend us a room to do it <'''<>'''> HazRPG: i would startwith an email to your local lugs mailing lists. <'''<>'''> hehe <'''<>'''> AlanBell, I'll dig tomorrow regarding that. <'''<>'''> Want to move on? It doesn't seem to have captured our joint imagination yet. <'''<>'''> ok great <'''<