||<>|| = Meeting started by TheOpenSourcerer at 20:00:01 UTC. = The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-uk-meeting/2011/ubuntu-uk-meeting.2011-08-29-20.00.log.html == People present (lines said) == * TheOpenSourcerer (89) * AlanBell (65) * GreenDance (34) * bigcalm (24) * brobostigon (22) * suprengr (10) * popey (7) * StevenR (6) * meetingology (5) == Full Log == 20:00:01 #startmeeting 20:00:01 Meeting started Mon Aug 29 20:00:01 2011 UTC. The chair is TheOpenSourcerer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 20:00:01 20:00:01 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endmeetingforce #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:00:10 o/ 20:00:16 Hi all. 20:00:16 The agenda for tonight is on the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda 20:00:16 The minutes of the last meeting are here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting 20:00:16 Whose "in da house" this evening then? 20:00:18 o/ 20:00:56 o/ 20:01:02 o/ 20:01:07 o/ 20:01:22 OK then thanks everyone. Let's get going then... 20:01:29 [TOPIC] TheOpenSourcerer - review of action items from last meeting 20:01:48 Oooh has the bot changed? 20:01:53 we got reapproved, :) 20:02:07 #meetingtopic [TOPIC] TheOpenSourcerer - review of action items from last meeting 20:02:16 ah, one sec :) 20:02:46 try now 20:02:48 #meetingtopic [TOPIC] TheOpenSourcerer - review of action items from last meeting 20:03:04 Not that many actions from the last meeting, although I think we do have some progress reports coming... 20:03:26 #progress [PROGRESS REPORT] People who have achieved something in August, please place it in the report here 20:03:26 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/TeamReports/11/August 20:03:40 * AlanBell creates 20:04:10 we should add stuff to that, oggcamp in particular 20:04:10 Has anyone done much in August? 20:04:16 Apart from OggCamp 20:04:28 and the reapproval 20:04:44 Shall we move on to Oggcamp then? 20:04:59 #progress [PROGRESS REPORT] Oggcamp 20:05:28 I went - it was great. 20:05:43 sorry again for my non attendence, health issues. but jessica did tell me, i was asked about. 20:06:08 Whose going to report on oggcamp then? 20:06:11 #link http://blip.tv/show/772977 here are the videos of the talks 20:06:24 I think the bot has dies 20:06:30 *died 20:06:31 nope, it is just quieter 20:06:36 Ah 20:07:13 No one else want to talk about Oggcamp then? 20:07:14 the idea is that it doesn't say anything in the channel unless it is useful 20:07:48 there are writeups here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/OggCamp11BlogPosts 20:08:06 and here http://lanyrd.com/2011/oggcamp/writeups/ 20:08:28 moo 20:08:44 just saw your tweet from a field in devon popey 20:08:48 lol 20:08:49 i am 20:09:00 We are on Oggcamp report 20:09:28 give that to me as an action, will do it whilst on hols 20:09:35 ok 20:09:39 * bigcalm has a memory like a sive. Hi peeps 20:10:07 #action popey to do a report on the amazing oggcamp event 20:10:07 * meetingology popey to do a report on the amazing oggcamp event 20:10:16 \o/ 20:10:23 OK moving on then. 20:10:26 (thats all I popped in to say) sorry, can't stop 20:10:29 moooooving on. 20:10:30 o/ 20:10:36 moo o/ 20:10:39 Hi/bye popey 20:10:40 ttfn 20:10:41 #progress [PROGRESS REPORT] Reapproval 20:10:54 yay, we got reapproved \o/ 20:11:02 Yay 20:11:15 perks. :) 20:11:26 Is there any more to say on this subject? 20:11:27 so well done everyone who did stuff that went into the reapproval application, (and all the stuff that didn't make it) 20:11:47 lets document stuf we do as we go along and make it easier next time :) 20:11:51 How often do they happen 20:11:58 every two years 20:11:59 the reapprovals I mean 20:12:02 OK 20:12:23 So why not start a wiki page for the next time now... 20:12:31 So stuff isn't done in a rush 20:13:08 yes, good planning, 20:13:21 good idea 20:13:47 [or oush for a longer gap between reapprovals?] 20:13:48 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2013 20:13:53 *push 20:14:08 OK. that it for this topic? 20:14:12 yup 20:14:22 Great. Next. 20:14:22 #meetingtopic [TOPIC] AlanBell - Ubuntu UK Happy Hour 20:14:33 Beer! 20:14:34 yay 20:14:38 beer indeed 20:14:53 so the idea with this is to do a somewhat regular real-world meetup 20:14:58 but in a moving location 20:15:14 a train? 20:15:14 http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ 20:15:17 yes, i remeber this being talked about last meeting. 20:15:21 I can't travel at the moment, sorry. 20:15:32 suprengr: almost certainly including a train at some point, yes :) 20:15:40 Two things I'm unclear of: 1) how to get local people interested in coming. 2) what to do once they come. 20:15:49 GreenDance: Then have on in your local :-D 20:15:50 2) drink beer 20:15:56 *one 20:16:06 3) talk. 20:16:28 TheOpenSourcerer, sorry I don't follow, have what in my local? 20:16:39 propose a pub 20:16:39 4) drink beer & talk 20:16:40 A happy hour 20:17:04 5) maybe eat food. 20:17:08 GreenDance: See the link above 20:17:13 so, we will put together a list of pubs scattered about the country, and arrange them in some kind of order so it bounces about all over the place 20:17:17 Anyone can hold/organise one 20:17:18 It's a way of bringing loco people together in a physical space 20:17:20 (the map isn't great right now) 20:17:44 and we will advertise them on the LoCo mailing list and the various social media thingies 20:18:08 :) 20:18:11 i like. 20:18:12 and then people can turn up to meetings that are sufficiently local for them to go to 20:18:37 if you want one near you then tell me the name of the pub and it's postcode 20:18:49 From what I've seen of the map, I don't see many people coming to the pub I suggested. Which means I go looking for other people's pubs 20:18:59 whut?? 20:19:19 How many people are likely to come to Telford? 20:19:25 there is no attendance list 20:19:42 i know atleast one person that would do banbury. 20:19:46 do we need to bring our laptops? 20:19:52 no 20:20:19 i think it meant to be more social, and then tech if people want that. 20:20:30 do we have a "where are people" map ? (no details, just an idea of where folk are) 20:20:33 there is no formal requirement or agenda or anything, it is just meeting people who are somewhat nearby 20:20:37 StevenR: yes 20:20:40 GreenDance: up to you. But it's about physical interaction. The lug meetings I've been to, everybody was on a netbook and not interacting 20:20:45 http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ 20:20:48 o/ btw :) 20:21:23 * AlanBell sees several pins within striking distance of telford 20:21:42 The map may have been updated since I last looked :) 20:21:51 anyhow, I would particularly like some more proposals from the left and right of the country, it is all a bit middlish so far 20:22:36 ideally it would squiggle about all over the place 20:23:09 so every few months everyone has one they could get to if sufficiently motivated 20:23:40 and if it works out we can increase the frequency, do two at once etc. etc. 20:23:59 We *know* there are plenty of peeps in the West Country... You know who you are :-D 20:24:02 What's the happy hour url? 20:24:11 http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ 20:24:29 A more noticeable link on the site would help :) 20:24:30 Ta 20:24:42 the line is currently in no particular order 20:25:07 it will have a better link on the site when we are ready to announce the first 6 or so venues 20:25:17 Fair enough 20:25:35 OK - Anything more on the Happy Hour for now> 20:25:41 *? 20:25:50 not from me 20:25:55 nope 20:25:57 I'm happy for now 20:26:19 #meetingtopic [TOPIC] TheOpenSourcerer - Any Other Business 20:26:34 AOB - Anyone got anything they want to discuss? 20:26:44 Yes, I do. 20:26:51 go ahead 20:26:57 Thank you. 20:27:35 I would like to see more linux/ubuntu in education. 20:27:51 The schools are drilling Microsoft into the pupils 20:28:30 I can't get my nepheu's to change from Windows to Ubuntu, because "windows is on the school's computers" 20:29:05 It's "windows" this, and "windows" that. 20:29:07 This is a subject that has been (and will continue to be) discussed for sometime I think. 20:29:12 the one thing I found that Ubuntu didn't have (or I would have pushed for it) was the lack of a good DTP package 20:29:55 got a kid in school - go see the governors? 20:29:56 I felt I couldn't push to use it on the desktop as a result (used to work as a school Network Manager) 20:30:27 The education sector - especially the public sector - is a very hard nut to crack. There are many issues of which a proportion are non-technical. 20:30:28 inkscape? 20:30:35 libre office? 20:30:40 it has good DTP packages (scribus for one) but not packages that are exactly the same as MS Publisher 20:30:43 Ubuntu could easly replace Windows at my nepheu's school, all the packages the student's use is IE and Office 20:30:56 anyhow, GreenDance do you have a proposal to change this? 20:31:07 AlanBell: sorry, Scribus simply doesn't cut it when compared to Serif Page Plus 20:31:54 * brobostigon plays with his moustache in deep thought. 20:32:07 the Raspberry Pi project is an interesting thing that is targetting UK education, it is an ARM board for about £15. It won't run Ubuntu but will run Debian. 20:32:24 i want one of those. 20:32:54 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/aug/28/ict-changes-needed-national-curriculum 20:33:05 I propose we email schools, the head masters directly, with a brief email linking them to a website, showing that ubuntu/linux has far more advantages to pupils than microsoft 20:33:07 Might I suggest that a sub-project be started to specifically look at how to improve Ubuntu's coverage in the education area? 20:33:14 do we have a presence at the UK edu tech show? (forgotten it's name just now) 20:33:26 There is a great deal to consider. 20:33:28 BETT, and no, too expensive 20:33:37 StevenR: Been there, done that. 20:33:51 send them a copy of edubuntu? 20:34:18 TheOpenSourcerer: that is a good suggestion 20:34:35 Perhaps GreenDance would like to kick it off? 20:35:38 TheOpenSourcerer, I have tried at my local school, back when I was a student myself, they were very Microsoft driven. 20:36:33 I'm suggesting that we approach it a bit more methodically. Start by documenting what it is we want to achieve and where the obstacles are likely to be. 20:37:05 Agreed. 20:37:46 Great. Can you sort out a Wiki page/Etherpad and get the ball rolling? 20:37:54 We will all help 20:39:13 I'm not sure how I would go about setting one up 20:39:38 or do you mean me buying a domain and setting one up that way? 20:39:47 We can show you afterwards in the normal channel 20:39:55 ok, thank you 20:39:56 No on the loco wiki 20:40:05 sure :) 20:40:10 Great. 20:40:13 #action GreenDance to start a sub-project specifically look at how to improve Ubuntu's coverage in the education area. 20:40:13 * meetingology GreenDance to start a sub-project specifically look at how to improve Ubuntu's coverage in the education area. 20:40:41 Anyone else got any AOB? 20:40:47 nope 20:40:48 Not from me 20:40:54 I have one more if that's ok. 20:41:01 Please do. 20:42:21 During the Ubuntu Install, at the end of the install process, would it not be possible to allow the end user to remove packages before the installer is complete? 20:42:53 A) Full Install, B) Minimal Install, C) Custom Install 20:43:24 That sounds more like a feature request rather than a loco meeting topic, but carry on. 20:43:58 Example, Custom Install > Internet Kiosk (Firefox restricted, full screen) 20:44:18 Example, Custom Install > Kids (plenty of fun games) 20:44:35 That could be a *very* long list 20:44:59 My key point is allowing the end user more choice during the install process. 20:45:08 yeah, this isn't really a LoCo specific topic 20:45:16 You can remaster the iso to do what you want but I do not think it's really for this meeting. 20:45:26 there is the minimal CD and the alternate CD https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD 20:45:29 ok, sorry about that. 20:45:31 np 20:45:38 and spins for edubuntu, medibuntu etc 20:45:42 OK - Any more AOB? 20:45:58 I do 20:46:10 Go on GreenDance 20:46:21 Has there ever been a teamspeak tried for the loco? 20:46:35 mumble :) 20:46:36 we have a mumble server 20:46:54 oh, right, mumble, I don't know what that is, sorry 20:47:18 * AlanBell doesn't really know what teamspeak is 20:47:38 but yeah, we should do an audio thingie again soon 20:47:41 teamspeak is where everyone has a microphone 20:47:44 :) 20:47:58 I'm all for that :) 20:48:17 mumble is just the same, a multi-person voice conference, 20:48:24 or a Google+ hangout (yeah yeah, hates freedom etc) 20:48:39 thanks for clearing that up :) 20:48:49 ok Can we move on now? 20:49:07 I'm finished, thank you. 20:49:22 #meetingtopic [TOPIC] Date of next meeting 20:49:34 Any suggestions for the next one? 20:49:43 +1 month? 20:49:43 3 weeks? 20:50:07 19th or 26th Sept? 20:50:34 19th is good 20:50:46 Mondays are OK? 20:50:52 19th is good for me 20:51:00 19th works here. 20:51:15 lets do another monday and change it for the following one 20:51:51 How about time? 20:51:55 9pm again? 20:52:04 9pm works for me :) 20:52:05 9pm works for me, if I remember :) 20:52:14 OK. 20:52:20 #agreed Next Meeting to be on the 19th September at 9pm. 20:52:28 I was late despite the twitter and irc warnings :) 20:52:42 #meetingtopic [TOPIC] Chair for next meeting 20:53:04 * AlanBell shoves bigcalm in the back 20:53:04 Who wants to do the chair next time then? Any volunteers? 20:53:05 Not me 20:53:15 Heh 20:53:17 Thank you everyone for attending this meeting, it has been a learning curve for me. 20:53:43 Considering this was my 1st meeting, not me. Yet anyway 20:54:02 Can we nominate popey while he's away? 20:54:02 oh, thought you had seen a few 20:54:08 OK - Let's worry about that nearer the time. 20:54:10 good idea :) 20:54:19 [ok for a quick Happy Hour location suggestion?] 20:54:29 Hang on suprengr 20:54:56 Is that it then. I will close the meeting if everyone is happy. 20:55:01 yup 20:55:12 * brobostigon was going to suggest several excellant reale ale watering holes around. 20:55:16 #endmeeting == Action items == * popey to do a report on the amazing oggcamp event * GreenDance to start a sub-project specifically look at how to improve Ubuntu's coverage in the education area. Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)