1 <Syntux> lovely, can we discuss the agenda now ? :D 2 <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, shall we? 3 <boredandblogging> sure, I have about 15 minutes 4 <effie_jayx> ok 5 <effie_jayx> Syntux, let's do it 6 <JanC> Syntux: about the Arabic thing, did you also contact the other Arabic speaking LoCoTeams yet? 7 <Syntux> JanC, yes and as documented in the /talk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda/talk 8 <Syntux> through their forums and mailing lists 9 <JanC> that's not all of them, right? 10 <Syntux> JanC, that's all of them or at least those with forums and/or mailing list 11 <JanC> well, at least tehre are other countries where people speak Arabic? 12 <Syntux> JanC, yeah we are talking about 23 country with around 250million human being 13 <udienz-> wew 14 <Syntux> yes 15 <JanC> like Morocco, Algeria, Tunesia, ... don't they have LoCoTeams ? 16 <Syntux> Tunesia do have one but not Algeria and Morocco 17 <Syntux> nizarus, is the team leader of Tunisia and he's here now 18 <Syntux> alsadi, is one of the most active translators, developers in the region and he's here now too 19 <alsadi> Hi 20 <effie_jayx> Syntux, I think the idea makes sense 21 <Syntux> effie_jayx, I guess so, having one interface for Arabic users is good. 22 <boredandblogging> yeah, I agree 23 <Syntux> LoCo teams cannot solve the problem because not all arab locos prefer to use arabic, like Jordan team prefer English and the Lebanese prefer French 24 <alsadi> yes, we (Arabic speaking people) have same interests, and having a common group will make things easier 25 <Syntux> on the other side there are plenty of LoCo members interested in supporting people in Arabic 26 <Syntux> so having arabic team would solve the problem. 27 <alsadi> I agree 28 <JanC> FWIW: as all languages spoken in Belgium (Dutch, French & German) are also spoken in other countries, we already point users to those respective forums 29 <JanC> so this is quite similar 30 <effie_jayx> Syntux, do you have an estimate of users you'll be helping? 31 <effie_jayx> just vague numbers 32 <Syntux> true but since the Ubuntu Arabic community is small having one interface would be for its own good 33 <Syntux> and it will help in increasing the number of people in the community 34 <effie_jayx> Syntux, right, true... That would realy help boost adoption 35 <Syntux> for example, if someone asked in Arabic in Jordan or lebanese or loco mailing list, we might not answer to be honest 36 <Syntux> but having one place for people interested in helping in that language would make it easier to Arabic community and hopefully increase it 37 <JanC> Syntux: like, I'm a member of both the Belgian (country) & Dutch (language) team -- you would be members of both Jordanian (country) & Arabic (language) team 38 <effie_jayx> Syntux, I like the idea, however it would be god to have commitment from all teams involved so that it is not your team and alsadi 's and other listed. since it has to be a structure that can be sustainable long after you and him are gone 39 <alsadi> ubuntu says Linux for humans not for hackers (who know three of more human languages), we need to speak to people in their native language 40 <Syntux> JanC, yeah and this is why I'm proposing for this team, the other arabic teams that exists in the community focus on translation not support. 41 <effie_jayx> alsadi, it is one of the ubuntu promises yes... 42 <Syntux> effie_jayx, of course, we have received some good feedback from all arabic LoCo members else we wouldn't bothering you guys in this proposal 43 <effie_jayx> Syntux, but they will offer a heloping hand in your initiative riught? 44 <effie_jayx> Syntux, perfect 45 <Syntux> effie_jayx, yes. 46 <boredandblogging> Syntux: whats the next step to take? 47 <effie_jayx> Syntux, I say the proposal needs a bit of shaping up. but the idea makes perfect sense. and it is clear that your intentions is to integrate support work 48 <Syntux> boredandblogging, establishing forum, mailing list and ubuntu-arabic.org and spread the word about it 49 <Syntux> boredandblogging, and we already talked with some of the large arabic linux communities to work with them 50 <boredandblogging> Syntux: maybe also contact some other similar teams and see what they would recommend? 51 <Syntux> boredandblogging, that would be an idea 52 <udienz-> Syntux: what's difference between Ubuntume community and ubuntu-arabic 53 <JanC> I guess a forum would be good to start with giving support? 54 <persia> udienz-: language and religion tend not to map well 55 <Syntux> udienz-, UbuntuME is the Muslims Edition of Ubuntu and it has nothing to do with the language 56 <Syntux> udienz-, they do have packages for religious human beings ;) 57 <JanC> not all muslims speak Arabic, e.g. some speak Persian ;) 58 <persia> Some speak Flemish 59 <Syntux> true, and UbuntuME main focus is on packing religious apps not support or anything 60 <Syntux> our main focus is support not apps nor translation 61 <boredandblogging> Syntux: so maybe come up with a formal document stating purpose, and what needs to be done? 62 <JanC> persia: yes, I know several who do (although they also speak Arabic mostly) 63 <udienz-> hmm... ic... many member at ubuntume speak using arabic but not all member using arabic (me too) 64 <alsadi> as a member of UbuntuME, it's multi lingual which ranges from English (main), German (DE), ..., and even ordo 65 <Syntux> boredandblogging, I don't mind working more on the proposal if we have definition of "formal document" :D 66 <udienz-> sorry anot all using arabic 67 <Syntux> actually I'm not that good at paper work hehe 68 <JanC> and some people speaking arabic might not be muslims either 69 <Syntux> right 70 <udienz-> JanC: perfect 71 <boredandblogging> Syntux: yes, whatever you want to call it, to make sure everyone is discussing the same thing 72 <alsadi> let the numbers speacks, 20% of Muslism speacks Arabic, 96% of arabs are Muslims 73 <effie_jayx> ok 74 <Syntux> there is already some ubuntu arabic sites http://www.arubuntu.org/ http://ubuntu.byethost13.com/ http://ubuntustory.com/ar and we just want to make it one work under Ubuntu Community umbrella for better reach 75 <udienz-> yup. indonesian have 200Million pepple and 80% Muslim but 10 % speak arabic 76 <Syntux> boredandblogging, yeah sure, I was able to get alsadi and nizarus but nizarus (Tunisian LoCo leader) seems to be sleeping now hehe 77 <Syntux> so basically we just need the permission to use ubuntu-arabic.org, a mailing list and a forum. 78 <alsadi> yes indonesia is not an arabic country, 79 <Syntux> and then we can start reporting our activities on monthly basis 80 <udienz-> right 81 <alsadi> I must leave, excuse me 82 <Syntux> alsadi, thanks for coming. 83 <Syntux> ex-squeezed :D 84 <Syntux> so that's it guys 85 <Syntux> if forumMathew was here he would be able to verify the links of discussion about it, provided in the /talk 86 <effie_jayx> ok 87 <effie_jayx> ok 88 <Syntux> ok 89 <Syntux> hehe 90 <effie_jayx> I say we have the document down and teams participating? we can have a final quick look 91 <boredandblogging> agreed 92 <effie_jayx> and then we cwill have the final say about the team 93 <effie_jayx> It all looks resonable 94 <Syntux> wait wait 95 <Syntux> Teams will NOT participate 96 <Syntux> but individual members of the teams 97 <JanC> Syntux: I think teams should participate 98 <effie_jayx> Syntux, so do i 99 <Syntux> but not all teams interested in supporting people in aRabic 100 <Syntux> Arabic* 101 <JanC> as in providing links to the site etc. 102 <boredandblogging> this is why we should have a doc ;-) 103 <Syntux> well, that's easy but first they have to have a website for themselves :D 104 <effie_jayx> Syntux, right, but think teams should be able to be a apart of it 105 <Syntux> effie_jayx, of course, they are able but it's up to them 106 <effie_jayx> Syntux, exactly 107 <effie_jayx> Syntux, i would expect a bit more depth on the kind of support and the resources needed 108 <Syntux> yet we don't have any approved LoCo team btw 109 <JanC> Syntux: participate also means that teams won't duplicate efforts, etc. 110 <Syntux> of course\ 111 <Syntux> Ok, can we have a mailing list so we can start discussing the project instead of using google groups. 112 <effie_jayx> Syntux, i think all you need is to ptresent this document and then we can approve resources ;) 113 <Syntux> effie_jayx, I agree but presenting an official document would require interacting with all those interested to work on it 114 <effie_jayx> Syntux, you are free to contact Loco contact in the loco-contact maling list to gather more work 115 <Syntux> and having an ubuntu mailing list would encourage many people to join us 116 <effie_jayx> Syntux, right but it wouldrequiere usto have you already considered a team :S 117 <effie_jayx> Syntux, to give you a cliue the conucil did not havea mailing list long after it had it's first meeting 118 <Syntux> yeah but that means having to send the email to like 6 mailing lists and then come up with an artificial way to sync the discussion. 119 <JanC> effie_jayx: teams don't have to be approved to get a list 120 <JanC> Syntux: you have Google Groups set up already though? 121 <effie_jayx> JanC, true, but it does help if we put in a word for the list to happen 122 <JanC> with 8 members? 123 <Syntux> JanC, yup created it two days ago. http://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-arabic 124 <Syntux> yes 125 <effie_jayx> Syntux, do you think itwould help having a new list (considering you have to settle and all ) and then presenting this dc? 126 <Syntux> definitely it will help 127 <Syntux> and anyway, we are not asking to get approved now or in the coming six months 128 <effie_jayx> ok 129 <boredandblogging> we have not finished figuring out the process of getting resources yet 130 <Syntux> all we are asking for is to get a mailing list and permission to use ubuntu domain as in wiki, irc channel and stuff like that 131 <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, thatis also true 132 <boredandblogging> so the mailing list may take some time 133 <effie_jayx> popey was in charge of that 134 <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, we can find outad get in touch then with Syntux 135 <boredandblogging> yeah 136 <Syntux> sorry, didn't get it ? 137 <effie_jayx> Syntux, do you agree with this? 138 <JanC> Syntux: using the domain is okay as long as you follow this policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy 139 <Syntux> JanC, great. 140 <Syntux> effie_jayx, I didn't get it 141 <Syntux> <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, we can find outad get in touch then with Syntux 142 <Syntux> find out about what ? 143 <boredandblogging> Syntux: we'll try to figure out how to get the mailing list, but it may take some time 144 <effie_jayx> Syntux, we will get in touch twith the man that helps us with the mailing lists and we wil find out the resource request and we shall get in touch with you through email 145 <effie_jayx> Syntux, about setting up the mailing list 146 <effie_jayx> Syntux, does that make sense? 147 <Syntux> lovely 148 <juliux> hi 149 <effie_jayx> my keyboard abilities suck today 150 <Syntux> hi juliux 151 <juliux> topic atm? 152 <effie_jayx> well 153 <effie_jayx> gotta get going 154 <Syntux> juliux, Ubuntu-Arabic team proposal. 155 <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, you do the minute 156 <effie_jayx> or i do? 157 <boredandblogging> umm, don't remember 158 <Syntux> and btw I have already contact Jorge for the mailing list, not sure if that would cause any of diplomatic conflict :D 159 <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: I can do this one 160 <boredandblogging> Syntux: we'll figure it out 161 <Syntux> splendid :-) 162 <JanC> juliux: you don't? 163 <boredandblogging> ok, so we are done with ubuntu-arabic for now? 164 <juliux> JanC: i am still waiting for one 165 <JanC> juliux: I got one recently 166 <Syntux> I guess so.