||<>|| #ubuntuadverts == Links == || pre-meeting notes || [[http://openetherpad.org/c5BupbHabP]] || || podcast || [[http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/]] || || podcast s3e22 || [[http://uupc.tonywhitmore.co.uk/uupc/s03/e22/uupc_s03e22_low.mp3]] || || logos || [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts/Logos]] || || logo voting || [[http://doodle.com/3g9aw7mk7n2wvvqq]] || || JamesMr recording || [[http://jamesmr.dyndns.org/voice/]] || || guidelines to rewrite || [[http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1232641/Guidelines%20Ubuntu%20Advert.pdf]] || || system76 banners || [[http://www.system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=37]] || || a windows users take on linux || [[http://steponthejourney.blogspot.com/2010/11/dr-pingos-or-how-i-learned-to-stop.html]] || || Us people || [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts/People]] || = pre-meeting talk = {{{ Dec 11 22:49:59 My real namer is Barry Drake .... waiting with baited breath for words of wisdom. Dec 11 22:50:38 Hey, nice to meet you all Dec 11 22:50:53 hehehe Dec 11 22:53:28 great to see all these people here, nicely on time Dec 11 22:53:48 How long till the meeting? I couldn't get what time the meeting was, I just read it was at 10pm somewhere in the world lol Dec 11 22:54:22 five minutes or so Dec 11 22:54:50 Great I thought I was on time but wasn't sure Dec 11 22:55:18 woaa! I made it! Dec 11 22:55:18 well, it's well after ten somewhere in the world I'm sure Dec 11 22:55:22 hi guys Dec 11 22:55:29 hi Dec 11 22:55:32 OOohh...it's busy in here O.o Dec 11 22:55:47 cause it's coming up to meeeeeting time Dec 11 22:55:56 minus five minutes Dec 11 22:56:19 Hi cassidyjames Dec 11 22:56:28 Hi JamesMR Dec 11 22:56:30 Hi everyone Dec 11 22:56:31 $voice cassidyjames Dec 11 22:56:47 hi cassidy Dec 11 22:56:57 * DanteAshton is picturing a NASA control room with a countdown clock going... Dec 11 22:57:02 Hi moiso Dec 11 22:57:14 Hi everyone Dec 11 22:57:14 * JamesMR is picturing a radio station with a time to live counter Dec 11 22:57:25 ticktock Dec 11 22:57:30 Hello pamela Dec 11 22:57:36 :) Dec 11 22:58:13 did anyone mirror the recording I did the other day? Dec 11 22:58:25 Hi all, sorry Dec 11 22:58:35 2 minutes to live! Dec 11 22:58:37 sorry I'm late* Dec 11 22:58:38 sorry? Dec 11 22:58:47 you're in time Dec 11 22:58:53 don't worry Dec 11 22:58:53 1 minute 40 Dec 11 22:59:13 1 minute 20 Dec 11 22:59:30 * cassidyjames whacks JamesMR for counting down. :P Dec 11 22:59:32 1 minute! Dec 11 22:59:37 sorry -.- Dec 11 22:59:45 It's all good. :D Dec 11 22:59:52 * JamesMR likes time Dec 11 23:00:03 incidentally, 30 secnonds Dec 11 23:00:07 * cassidyjames listens to his chillmix on Grooveshark Dec 11 23:00:17 Hi kortnee! Dec 11 23:00:23 10 Dec 11 23:00:24 9 Dec 11 23:00:25 8 Dec 11 23:00:25 Glad you could make it! Dec 11 23:00:26 7 Dec 11 23:00:27 6 Dec 11 23:00:28 6 }}} = start meeting = {{{ Dec 11 23:00:31 annnnddd HELLO! We are here! :D First, let me introduce our team leads! Dec 11 23:00:32 Bahahaha Dec 11 23:00:34 0 Dec 11 23:00:39 James? quiet :P Dec 11 23:00:39 hi! Dec 11 23:00:46 sorry -.- Dec 11 23:00:52 [startmeeting] Dec 11 23:00:57 This is the offical START of the UAT Meeting! Dec 11 23:01:02 Glad everyone could join us! Dec 11 23:01:21 Noooowww...over there, in the pink, frilly dress, is cassidyjames, our web deb and graphics lead! Dec 11 23:01:36 >:( Dec 11 23:01:39 and UndiFineD, maintainer of our IRC channels Dec 11 23:01:46 and head of translation Dec 11 23:01:58 Lyndon; the grand master of Animation Dec 11 23:02:19 and...myself, DanteAshton; head of documentation and PR. Any questions? Dec 11 23:02:37 where's the bathroom? Dec 11 23:02:42 Ooh yes, jasono should be here...he is the founder, though we've generally got everything covered }}} = initial questions = {{{ Dec 11 23:02:44 is batman really bruce wayne? Dec 11 23:02:45 Over there -> Dec 11 23:02:50 Yes Dec 11 23:02:54 what about jason Dec 11 23:02:55 Now, any RELATED questions? Dec 11 23:03:04 :P Dec 11 23:03:05 Good question moiso! Dec 11 23:03:08 can I put myself forward for vocals, of so how? Dec 11 23:03:29 First, has everyone visited the wiki? Lets us know who's doing what... Dec 11 23:03:35 jason is trying to get here Dec 11 23:03:47 if you haven't, I advise you put your name up :) Dec 11 23:03:56 Jason is having modem trouble, I beleive Dec 11 23:04:00 I have a fear of writing in public places Dec 11 23:04:11 *sigh* Dec 11 23:04:17 wikis in particular :( Dec 11 23:04:29 JamesMR, you talk to the leaders and we can discuss it and put you there. :P Dec 11 23:04:31 JamesMR, glad you have a good voice to compensate Dec 11 23:04:32 If you have trouble, I'll show you how/do it for you, if need be. Dec 11 23:04:34 ok to update after the meeting? Dec 11 23:04:38 by all means }}} = announcements = {{{ Dec 11 23:04:44 NOW, we have many many things to talk about Dec 11 23:05:04 first off, thanks to myself and the other leaders, we are an OFFICIAL project. Dec 11 23:05:15 ...and no, that does not mean we get paid :P Dec 11 23:05:27 oooohhhhh Dec 11 23:05:29 are we following the pre-meeting notes? Dec 11 23:05:36 Tarek: yes Dec 11 23:05:54 And, thanks to MYSELF :P Dec 11 23:06:06 we have studio access; we'll be working with GLOSCOL, a local college. Dec 11 23:06:08 fanfare Dec 11 23:06:08 pre-meeting notes: http://openetherpad.org/c5BupbHabP Dec 11 23:06:19 Thank you Dante! That was really awesome Dec 11 23:06:21 who, incidently, will be using Ubuntu on a good deal of their machines in the future. Dec 11 23:06:29 oh well done cassidy Dec 11 23:06:34 Glosterchire? Dec 11 23:06:40 Yah. Dec 11 23:06:46 awesome :) Dec 11 23:06:55 Ooh, that's great. Accessible for me :P Dec 11 23:07:04 me and all my family exclusively UBUNTU only Dec 11 23:07:08 Now...Cassidy's ego will boost if I don't let him...cassidy? Your on, dear! :P Dec 11 23:07:20 Darael: Awesome. We'll look forward to getting people together locvally Dec 11 23:07:23 Alrighty! Dec 11 23:07:34 I live in Dec 11 23:07:41 Brazil :P }}} = podcast = {{{ Dec 11 23:07:49 So, in case you haven't heard, we got a nice little spot on the last Ubuntu Uk Podcast! Dec 11 23:07:49 http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ Dec 11 23:08:06 hi jason! Dec 11 23:08:10 And I have the bad habit of hitting the enter key at the wrong time. Dec 11 23:08:10 OOoh, there he is! Dec 11 23:08:12 Hello Dec 11 23:08:13 They called me and interviewed me and I think it tells some great things about the podcast. Dec 11 23:08:17 Hey Jason! Dec 11 23:08:18 Hi jasono Dec 11 23:08:33 Sorry about that. :( Things to be taken care of. Dec 11 23:08:41 Hello everyone! Dec 11 23:08:50 So, if you haven't heard, hop over to http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ and share it with your friends, too }}} = Logo = {{{ Dec 11 23:09:06 Right! Now, we have a little problem Dec 11 23:09:09 we need a LOGO. Dec 11 23:09:11 :P Dec 11 23:09:13 I'm listening right now Dec 11 23:09:43 a logo for the project? Dec 11 23:09:43 not the Ubuntu logo? Dec 11 23:09:47 The Logos that have been submitted are great. Dec 11 23:09:49 or a logo for the adverts? Dec 11 23:09:50 WE just need more. Dec 11 23:09:54 Soooo.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts/Logos Dec 11 23:10:04 A logo for US Dec 11 23:10:11 we'll be contacting magazines and whatnot in the future Dec 11 23:10:13 I liked the submission inspired by "shedding light on ubuntu" particularly, myself. Dec 11 23:10:25 so, WE need to look good, to make Ubuntu look good Dec 11 23:10:53 * JamesMR puts on his suit Dec 11 23:10:59 * DanteAshton puts on his best bra Dec 11 23:11:06 I like the 3D Ubuntu logo Dec 11 23:11:14 * cassidyjames takes his clothes off. Dec 11 23:11:20 What? I look best naked. Dec 11 23:11:24 Tarek: I don't like 3D logos Dec 11 23:11:26 * DanteAshton is now worried...horny...worried...horny...WORRIED! Dec 11 23:11:28 i made a pair of logos, but been an official Ubuntu project, i think we should stick to the rules Dec 11 23:11:29 * Tarek hasn't used IRC in a long time Dec 11 23:11:31 * UndiFineD is just hanging round Dec 11 23:11:38 3D logos look unprofessional Dec 11 23:11:46 * DanteAshton Undi would stop hanging on the celing. Dec 11 23:11:53 moiso, JamesMR: I'm with you two. Dec 11 23:11:59 Well, we're doing this by the vote. Dec 11 23:12:02 Logos should be SVG only Dec 11 23:12:05 imho Dec 11 23:12:22 James, not this one in my opinion. Really discrete Dec 11 23:12:24 James? Shush. .SVG's crash my machine. Dec 11 23:12:27 * cassidyjames must hop away for two minutes or less. Dec 11 23:12:30 :O Dec 11 23:12:49 So sorry I couldnt provide one....hey, anyone fancy buying me a new computer for xmas? :P Dec 11 23:12:55 I must say that logos in SVG are a good thing in my book. Perhaps not SVG-only, but something that works as one. Dec 11 23:13:21 I WILL provide an .svg when I do get a machine that does not LOOK at Inkscape and die. :P Dec 11 23:13:45 you can do SVG in firefox/chrome Dec 11 23:13:49 hey Cassidy, the podcast is S03E22? Dec 11 23:14:05 Tarek, correct Dec 11 23:14:08 http://uupc.tonywhitmore.co.uk/uupc/s03/e22/uupc_s03e22_low.mp3 Dec 11 23:14:13 that's the one ^^ Dec 11 23:14:17 creating them is what kills it :P Dec 11 23:14:19 * cassidyjames is back Dec 11 23:14:23 are we going to wait for more logos? or should we pick one from the ones already submited? Dec 11 23:14:25 aah Dec 11 23:14:43 Well, many calls have gone out for logo work. Dec 11 23:14:44 Thanks Dec 11 23:14:52 This is what we've got, so feel free to choose. Dec 11 23:15:04 DanteAshton: how will the logo be used? only for recruiting people to join the team? ... who's the target? Dec 11 23:15:45 it should be able to represent us in every possible aspect. i mean publicity/web pages/etc Dec 11 23:15:46 this logo is for OUR use; if I send a letter/email/whatever to people, asking them to mention us (IE. magazines/studios) we need a professional banner Dec 11 23:15:47 DanteAshton: or will it be used on actual produced work for the target of the project - consumers? Dec 11 23:15:48 RE the globe-themed one, then: It's quite clever, but I feel the Ubuntu logo should be in there. Dec 11 23:15:53 mattgriffin: mostly on internal documents and documents to the community Dec 11 23:15:58 the consumer work will only feature the Ubuntu logo. Dec 11 23:15:58 cool Dec 11 23:16:01 Not on the ads themselves. Dec 11 23:16:33 Now, here's the plan Dec 11 23:16:50 We have been tasked with creating a video, for use in the cinema Dec 11 23:17:03 this will show before the featured film Dec 11 23:17:07 Length? Dec 11 23:17:13 and remind people to turn off their phones Dec 11 23:17:17 around 10-15 seconds Dec 11 23:17:51 * DanteAshton looks at Undi... Dec 11 23:17:54 :O Dec 11 23:17:58 I had voice? Dec 11 23:18:02 and didn't know about it? Dec 11 23:18:07 Silly :P Dec 11 23:18:15 you still have a voice JamesMR Dec 11 23:18:22 Now, we first need the team to come up with scripts Dec 11 23:18:25 and it soounds good Dec 11 23:18:26 many good script ideas are on the wiki Dec 11 23:18:38 BUT, first we need everyone to read the guidelines on the homepage Dec 11 23:18:40 Wait aren't we going to choose a logo? Dec 11 23:18:57 We're having a mechanism setup to take a vote Dec 11 23:19:01 so give us a minute :P Dec 11 23:19:04 Ahhh Dec 11 23:19:08 bear with us Dec 11 23:19:29 * Tarek is a patient man Dec 11 23:19:59 Alright here we go: http://doodle.com/3g9aw7mk7n2wvvqq Dec 11 23:20:06 Make sure to click expand. Dec 11 23:20:44 Enter your name and vote. :) Dec 11 23:21:01 Please just vote for one. Dec 11 23:21:10 oops Dec 11 23:21:14 I forgot to actually vote Dec 11 23:21:28 f*** I've voted for two Dec 11 23:21:45 Hei Dec 11 23:21:53 hi Dec 11 23:21:54 Dont worry, we know who voted what Dec 11 23:22:16 for those who drop in later, do not worry, we log Dec 11 23:22:47 Right, do vote, everyone, if you'd be so kind? Dec 11 23:22:59 Helps us determine our visual identity Dec 11 23:23:08 I'd like to major on ... There is an excellent alternative to Windows. ... Dec 11 23:23:19 oops, sorry - somehow managed to vote twice. Dec 11 23:23:32 Dont worry, pamela; we'll sort it :) Dec 11 23:23:37 :-) Dec 11 23:23:39 It's alright pamela. We can see who voted and take care of it. :P Dec 11 23:23:43 why don't we allow people to vote on several ones and we pick the most popular? Dec 11 23:24:00 sorry - messed up with my input line and had to get out and come back .... Dec 11 23:24:02 that sound s good to me tarek Dec 11 23:25:21 the count on votes will be announced on the ML Dec 11 23:25:38 should we not be unable to edit each other's votes? Dec 11 23:25:59 we wont be counting them till after sunday's meeting Dec 11 23:26:47 JamesMR, can we now? Dec 11 23:26:54 If so, well, be honest people. Dec 11 23:27:18 those of us who submitted logos should'nt vote rigth? Dec 11 23:27:19 I've got a logo nearly finished, is it too late? Dec 11 23:27:30 probably Dec 11 23:27:36 moiso, correct. Dec 11 23:27:45 :/ haha }}} = Group Organization = {{{ Dec 11 23:27:59 ok next topic ? Dec 11 23:28:09 Next topic is.... Dec 11 23:28:20 Group Organization Dec 11 23:28:25 Indeed Dec 11 23:28:43 Right, each group has it's own channel Dec 11 23:28:45 10 points for UndiFineD Dec 11 23:29:14 Moises Logo is great though. Dec 11 23:29:15 Next topic = Teams Dec 11 23:29:15 Prepearing to make progress Dec 11 23:29:15 Preparing Dec 11 23:29:28 Jason...bit late :P Dec 11 23:29:30 tnks jason Dec 11 23:30:20 some channels are yet still unregistered Dec 11 23:30:21 Right, so here's how we're going to play this Dec 11 23:30:40 I tried to register all sub channels, but freenode did no t respond Dec 11 23:30:55 My team (authors and edtiors) will be joining me to work on a script agreed upon by the team Dec 11 23:31:01 we'll prepare and finalize it Dec 11 23:31:06 #ubuntu-adverts-documentation Dec 11 23:31:12 we'll also be working on a few other minor projects Dec 11 23:31:12 also, Ubuntu has an issue with this channel name Dec 11 23:31:33 really? Dec 11 23:31:33 why? Dec 11 23:31:34 so I have registered #ubuntu-adverts too Dec 11 23:31:48 Allright }}} = Scripts = {{{ Dec 11 23:31:49 THEN we'll hand the completed script over to the graphics team Dec 11 23:31:56 So we have to remove ubuntuadverts? Dec 11 23:32:00 who will, if we ask nicely, prepare a storyboard Dec 11 23:32:07 Jason, Undi? Leaders channel, please? Dec 11 23:32:15 do we have a director and producer? Dec 11 23:32:20 and then move it to the animators Dec 11 23:32:25 many has been said on what we could and should do Dec 11 23:32:35 Ah I got behind Dec 11 23:32:36 sorry Dec 11 23:32:37 the animators will, with my studio's help, create the video Dec 11 23:32:37 #ubuntu-adverts-design Dec 11 23:32:40 who thinks he can write such scripts ? Dec 11 23:32:59 Is there a direcor and a producer yet? Dec 11 23:33:03 @JamesMR Dec 11 23:33:16 I'm good at script writing Dec 11 23:33:23 exactly what on earth would we do with a director and producer if we cant source them around the studio, eh? Dec 11 23:33:27 kinda takes precidence over script writing Dec 11 23:33:50 I've been a producer for onlien film projects before Dec 11 23:34:00 I've done a bit of producing years ago Dec 11 23:34:20 This is @JamesMr recording http://jamesmr.dyndns.org/voice/ Dec 11 23:34:22 First, boys and girls, before we worry about that, we need to acutally have something to direct and produce Dec 11 23:34:28 a creative brief would be helpful to define the parameters of the creative execution (scripts, storyboards, grphics). i can provide a short template that will help keep everyone in the same playing field. Dec 11 23:34:52 storyboard is a good place to start Dec 11 23:34:52 thank you mattgriffin Dec 11 23:34:55 UUgh? Dec 11 23:35:34 I think urcminister just woke up? Dec 11 23:35:58 I still see "There is an excellent alternative to Windows. " as a starting point. Dec 11 23:36:06 I don't Dec 11 23:36:07 We cannot mention other companeis names Dec 11 23:36:11 or trademarks Dec 11 23:36:16 don't make any reference to windows or OSx Dec 11 23:36:38 please see http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1232641/Guidelines%20Ubuntu%20Advert.pdf Dec 11 23:36:50 if we can make this well, there'd be no reference to any existing producs Dec 11 23:36:55 How do we launch the concept that there is a REAL alternative? Dec 11 23:36:55 I was talking about the new user survey Dec 11 23:36:56 Unless, of course, we have a few million pounds somewhere to pay off any impending lawsuits Dec 11 23:37:41 NOW the video will go back into the team for everyone to check Dec 11 23:37:51 moiso, yes, those guidelines need to be rewritten Dec 11 23:38:05 They will be updated. Dec 11 23:38:08 jasono, you should have spell checked :P Dec 11 23:38:22 Well I was really fond of the whole " regular people talking about ubuntu" idea that was being discussed in the e-mails Dec 11 23:38:33 Me neither Dec 11 23:38:37 I then take it, and with the help of those connected in this world; show it to the others Dec 11 23:38:51 I like that idea Tarek Dec 11 23:38:54 I'd suggest not pitching it as an alternative to anything Dec 11 23:39:00 I quite like the "regular people talking about ubuntu" idea, but am not sure it works with the "turn your phone off Dec 11 23:39:07 why seek an alternative to something you're completly happy with? Dec 11 23:39:08 ..." thing Dec 11 23:39:12 as most windows users are Dec 11 23:39:13 I mean, I wasn't Dec 11 23:39:16 I also like Tarek's idea- no need to define ubuntu as *not windows/mac* Dec 11 23:39:31 we need to promote Ubuntu on it's merits, not on it's flaws to others Dec 11 23:39:38 "There is an excellent alternative. When you are ready to upgrade your computer, check out www.ubuntu.com for details. You won't regret it." Dec 11 23:39:49 JamesMR: I don't think they are, though. In my experience, they're not, they just think they don't have a choice besides buying a mac. Dec 11 23:39:50 JamesMR, DanteAshton, exactly. I like that it's its own thing. Dec 11 23:39:52 *Note Dec 11 23:39:52 In that I disagree, we have to promote our merits in reference to the shortcomins of others Dec 11 23:40:02 We can't promote change if people is happy with what they have Dec 11 23:40:09 "Hi. I use Ubuntu. I like it because I can install apps on them. Oh, and please shut your damn phones." Dec 11 23:40:10 if people are happy with what they have Dec 11 23:40:13 they wont choose us Dec 11 23:40:24 I think it might be a good idea to promote it as it stands, create its own identity Dec 11 23:40:26 ever try and convert a happy, rich Mac user? Won't happen... Dec 11 23:40:31 Quite so Dante Dec 11 23:40:35 That's what I mean. We have to make people unhappy lol Dec 11 23:40:40 but a lot of people aren't happy with what they have, I wasn't Dec 11 23:40:46 Now, this is simple Dec 11 23:40:46 Putting it in another words sell the necessity of change Dec 11 23:40:48 that's how ads work Dec 11 23:40:53 Lisandro: If we're careful, we can do that without actually mentioning the others. We can just mention the things that are better and let them work out that they're better. Dec 11 23:40:56 absolutely Dec 11 23:40:59 or showcase compiz :-) Dec 11 23:41:02 that's what I mean Dec 11 23:41:08 well these are directional details Dec 11 23:41:12 Apple bases it's image on being for 'you', an individual Dec 11 23:41:17 we, too, must create an image Dec 11 23:41:18 we have so much more to cover Dec 11 23:41:24 of the only thing we have; community. Dec 11 23:41:40 it has to be selled as a NEW and amazing computer related thing Dec 11 23:41:53 agree with moiso Dec 11 23:41:56 no tech/geeky details needed Dec 11 23:41:57 Well, this will be our foray into the public Dec 11 23:42:02 we are NEW to them Dec 11 23:42:04 Yes, community and social Dec 11 23:42:05 have you tried this really cool thing sort of approach Dec 11 23:42:06 the dell mini 9 ad did something like this Dec 11 23:42:15 Now, I'm working on many script ideas myself (which I'll put on the wiki soon) Dec 11 23:42:16 like the me menu Dec 11 23:42:35 which approach this from diffrent angles Dec 11 23:42:43 Now, we do have a big problem Dec 11 23:42:58 Unity, the UI will not stablize for a while. Dec 11 23:43:03 IE: all the features wont be in Dec 11 23:43:14 so? Dec 11 23:43:15 until, I'm told, quite late in the cycle Dec 11 23:43:19 there is a problem Dec 11 23:43:25 we have to advertise the OS, without the OS. Dec 11 23:43:25 I received an update today and it's working extremly stable Dec 11 23:43:35 The problem is that dash issn't on yet Dec 11 23:43:35 Not all features are in is what I'm trying to say Dec 11 23:43:43 I received loads of Bugs from Launchpad. Dec 11 23:43:45 no. the ad doesn't need to go into that kind of detail Dec 11 23:43:46 it's not about stability but UI Dec 11 23:43:47 WE cant showcase an incomplete/incorrect OS Dec 11 23:43:52 well, then we don't sell the features Dec 11 23:44:08 DanteAshton, that is something blue / green screen work should cover Dec 11 23:44:13 Do we need to actually show Ubuntu in our ad? If we're going for the human/community angle, I think we can make an ad that uses those angles which need not include images of the OS at all. Dec 11 23:44:15 In many ads, they rarely showcase the product... They sell and idea, a necessity. Dec 11 23:44:16 Ubuntu is a complete OS Dec 11 23:44:19 we have to focus on the apps, and the community, but some ideas, like a screencast of Ubuntu...just wont work. Dec 11 23:44:20 What if we showcase but don't showcase all the features? Dec 11 23:44:24 Exactly Dec 11 23:44:25 we sell the individuality within the community Dec 11 23:44:32 I think we have to show something but not do a 5 minute screencast Dec 11 23:44:35 how about something like the ipad ads - no talking, just showing you what it can do Dec 11 23:44:49 We can always cut and replace. Dec 11 23:44:49 yeah we should start showcasing the experience Dec 11 23:44:51 We are part of a bigger whole, we are safe, because we know we are not alone. Dec 11 23:45:00 We need to project an IMAGE, a LIFESTYLE Dec 11 23:45:04 Can't we jkeyes0 ? Dec 11 23:45:18 pamela, that's a good idea. I feel like we need to define a few different approaches we could take, then present them to the group and see what we like. Dec 11 23:45:20 image: better lifdestyle: freedom. Dec 11 23:45:26 Indeed Dec 11 23:45:33 now, there is another major problem Dec 11 23:45:37 that of cost. Dec 11 23:45:46 CassidyJames Dec 11 23:45:49 =Cost Dec 11 23:46:16 jasono, hm? Dec 11 23:46:30 Now, in the UK, if someone offered me a free item, completely free of cost. I would be a tad suspicous Dec 11 23:46:39 so we need sponsors, if we show a product, we can ask for sponsorship Dec 11 23:46:45 DanteAshton: It's called advertising Dec 11 23:46:57 DanteAshton: I get free stuff on the highstreet all the time Dec 11 23:47:11 free drinks, snacks, tasters of things Dec 11 23:47:13 System 76 Dec 11 23:47:14 Free ( as in no cost) = what do they want? Dec 11 23:47:24 the first people tougth in my country would be "it's a second quality product" Dec 11 23:47:29 They will sponsor us. Dec 11 23:47:30 thanks cassidy :-) I agree - I was thinking maybe three different approaches, all complimenting each other and focusing on different things... Dec 11 23:47:37 So your telling me that you expect a free product to be top notch quailty? Dec 11 23:47:46 Ubuntu is not a taster. Dec 11 23:47:49 Ubuntu is the full thing. Dec 11 23:47:59 and if people know that, they're gonna wonder why it's given away for free. Dec 11 23:48:11 YES Dec 11 23:48:27 show the features off, sell the community, sell the difference/individuality, make it a brand to people - that's what ordinary users go for, no? Dec 11 23:48:35 correct, pamela. Dec 11 23:48:43 maybe an image of somebody on the street giving away a hotdog but charging for some of the condiments? Dec 11 23:48:49 I was thinking of making several ads, each on an aspect of Ubuntu. Dec 11 23:48:50 jaj Dec 11 23:49:05 one of them would be that it's free but awesome. Dec 11 23:49:06 I like that idea, Tarek Dec 11 23:49:09 We could include a line along the lines of "how can we offer this for free? Find out at $URL" if the costless is a problem. Dec 11 23:49:21 Tarek Yes, something like this http://www.system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=37 Dec 11 23:49:21 if I offer you a taster, for free, that is VERY diffrent then offering the full product for free Dec 11 23:49:23 Yeah thats the solution Dec 11 23:50:17 There are a lot of free OS right now, I don't think we have to worry too much about it Dec 11 23:50:18 Hey - some of us tried to give away mince pies at Easter ( to advertise Christianity) there was no catch - and very few takers ..... we were'ne even taking a collection. Dec 11 23:50:33 so why are we advertising Ubuntu? what is it that we should say about Ubuntu that would be appealing to this specific audience? Dec 11 23:50:49 We are in the midst of a recession Dec 11 23:50:53