Testing Checkbox 0.12.8 and cleaning up results
- The last checkbox upload to Oneiric needs a lot of testing.
- Everybody is encouraged to submit their systems using the last version of checkbox for Oneiric
- jedimike will remove old results, so we only have results for Oneiric made with this version of checkbox
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- Testing Checkbox 0.12.8 and cleaning up results -- ara
ACTION: cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing (ara, 15:18:13) ACTION: All to submit at least 1 system using checkbox 0.12.8 by next meeting (ara, 15:18:38)
- Any Other Business?
Meeting ended at 15:40:52 UTC.
- cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing
- All to submit at least 1 system using checkbox 0.12.8 by next meeting
Action items, by person
- * cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing
- * cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing
People present (lines said)
- ara (74)
- cr3 (34)
- jedimike (30)
- bladernr (13)
- brendand (10)
- Amoz (8)
- meetingology` (5)
- roadmr (4)
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15:01:46 <ara> The agenda today looks like this:
15:01:47 <ara> * Testing Checkbox 0.12.8 and cleaning up results -- ara
15:01:47 <ara> * AOB
15:02:04 <ara> As usual, I would encourage anyone to add topics to the main meeting wiki page:
15:02:16 <ara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly/Meetings
15:02:29 <ara> #topic Testing Checkbox 0.12.8 and cleaning up results -- ara
15:02:43 <ara> Most of what we were able to do for the client for Ubuntu Friendly is now done and uploaded to Ubuntu as Checkbox 0.12.8. Now is time to test it as much as possible and start tweaking the server based on the results that we get.
15:03:00 <cr3> o/
15:03:03 <ara> What I think that we need to do:
15:03:03 <ara> * Clean up UF old results (they were made with versions of Checkbox that had too many bugs)
15:03:03 <ara> * Everybody with an Oneiric system, please, use Checkbox 0.12.8 (not the PPA), and run the tests required for Ubuntu Friendly
15:03:03 <ara> The idea is to see what numbers are we getting and to see if we need to make changes to the server side.
15:03:03 <jedimike> o/
15:03:14 <ara> Any comments?
15:03:16 <ara> ..
15:03:22 <ara> cr3, go ahead, please
15:03:34 <cr3> Should we have an objective to get X number of systems with more than one star for the next meeting, where we could agree on X during this meeting?
15:03:38 <cr3> ..
15:03:51 <ara> jedimike, your turn
15:03:53 <ara> o/
15:03:56 <cr3> o/
15:04:20 <jedimike> I was just going to ask how to make sure I'm running the latest checkbox, as I've been using the ppa in the past
15:04:21 <jedimike> ..
15:05:19 <ara> OK, to cr3 question, I think we should try to get X number of submissions made with 0.12.8, we cannot guarantee the stars they will get
15:05:45 <ara> jedimike, if you are running Oneiric, apt-get install checkbox version=0.12.8 should do the trick
15:05:46 <ara> ..
15:05:53 <ara> cr3, go ahead
15:05:57 <cr3> We should probably not be considering any Oneiric results before at least RC, I don't think a development release should be considered friendly.. because they're mostly unfriendly anyways
15:06:01 <cr3> ..
15:06:08 <ara> o/
15:06:12 <roadmr> o/
15:06:15 <cr3> ara, go ahead
15:06:47 <jedimike> o/
15:06:50 <ara> agree, but I think that we need newer data (and cleaning up old one) so we make sure that 0.12.8 will give good results once 11.10 gets released
15:06:51 <ara> ..
15:07:00 <ara> roadmr, sir
15:07:06 <cr3> o/
15:07:27 <roadmr> um, at the *very* least everyone here should be able to submit a more-than-one-star result, all our laptops should work fine by now
15:07:37 <roadmr> if not, we'd have to look at why
15:07:38 <roadmr> ..
15:07:54 <ara> jedimike, your turn
15:08:08 <brendand> o/
15:08:27 <bladernr> o/
15:08:28 <jedimike> the reason I'm asking during this meeting is to that it's on record and everyone can be sure they're running the right version of checkbox
15:08:43 <jedimike> so, I'm *not* using the ppa, just the default oneiric sources
15:08:52 <jedimike> and I've done a full apt-get update and upgrade
15:09:11 <jedimike> and apt-get install checkbox version=0.12.8 complains that it can't find that version
15:09:45 <jedimike> so I want to make sure the instructions we give here work for people following along
15:09:46 <jedimike> ...
15:10:04 <ara> cr3, I think it is your turn
15:10:06 <cr3> ara, I don't understand the purpose of cleaning up the old data, is it to verify that the star systems works? that could be useful for testing purposes, but I think data prior to RC should be removed.
15:10:10 <cr3> .
15:10:13 <cr3> .
15:10:44 <ara> cr3, cleaning up = remove
15:10:54 <cr3> ara: ah! thanks for the clarification
15:11:05 <ara> sorry for the confusion
15:11:09 <ara> brendand, your turn
15:11:53 <brendand> for jedimike, and others listening - one thing you can do is 'dpkg -l | grep checkbox'. The PPA version will have 'bzr' in its version number
15:13:07 <brendand> i guess if you've been using the PPA you might need to 'apt-get remove checkbox', then 'apt-get install' again
15:13:09 <brendand> ..
15:13:20 <ara> bladernr, all yours
15:13:24 <bladernr> So assuming that I'm running 0.12.8 (apt-cache on my x201 says I am) and I run the tests and submit, is there anyting I need to do to get my results to appear in UF (and I'm assuming that is the bit.ly link) I've run checkbox and submitted several times but I've never seen my system appear in the UF listings.
15:13:29 <bladernr> ..
15:14:11 <ara> bladernr, when was the last time you run it?
15:14:13 <cr3> bladernr: results tracker updates from launchpad every hour, ubuntu friendly updates from results tracker every hour too, so it should appear within two hours
15:14:29 <bladernr> or wherever the site is currently sitting... since the bit.ly link is dead
15:14:45 <bladernr> ara: it's been a week or two by now... got busy with other things
15:14:59 <cr3> crap, I wish the results tracker would show the systems per user: http://184.108.40.206/~bladernr
15:15:11 <bladernr> cr3: that's what I thought, but i never saw it show up in either place... Oh well, I'll try again today and see what happens.
15:15:14 <cr3> who the heck wrote that piece of crap
15:15:23 <ara> bladernr, is not here: http://220.127.116.11/?desktops=on&laptops=on&stars=1&release=4&popularity=any&term=lenovo ?
15:15:57 <jedimike> o/
15:16:03 <ara> jedimike, go ahead
15:16:05 <bladernr> ara: oh what do you know... it DID show up
15:16:07 <cr3> ara: action item? jedimike, bladernr and I to look into his system?
15:16:50 <bladernr> ok... forget what I said, it DID end up in there. It just wasn't there previously... I swear!
15:17:00 <jedimike> I now have checkbox 0.12.8, hurrah! For people who've been using the PPA - you must move it from your sources, apt-get remove checkbox; (this will also uninstall ubuntu-desktop, so don't be surprized by that) and then apt-get install checkbox
15:17:02 <jedimike> ..
15:17:10 <ara> o/
15:17:36 <ara> OK, so couple of action items if you guys agree
15:18:13 <ara> #action cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing 15:18:13 * meetingology` cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing
15:18:38 <ara> #action All to submit at least 1 system using checkbox 0.12.8 by next meeting 15:18:38 * meetingology` All to submit at least 1 system using checkbox 0.12.8 by next meeting
15:18:44 <ara> ..
15:18:51 <cr3> o/
15:18:55 <ara> cr3, go ahead
15:19:14 <cr3> just to be clear, results will not be removed from the results tracker
15:19:39 <cr3> ..
15:19:50 <ara> cr3, cool, thanks for the clarification
15:20:02 <jedimike> o/
15:20:02 <ara> everybody agrees on the action items, otherwise?
15:20:04 <bladernr> 0/
15:20:07 <ara> jedimike, go ahead
15:20:45 <jedimike> so, the action is for me to remove the current 1-star results from the results tracker, and only import results submitted from current time onwards?
15:21:20 <jedimike> ..
15:21:22 <ara> jedimike, also the 4.5 one as brendand cheated a bit on that one :P
15:21:28 <jedimike> heh ok
15:21:40 <ara> bladernr, your turn
15:21:42 <bladernr> could cr3 or jedimike send an e-mail out to the UF list when the purge is complete so we'll know when to start sending (hopefully) legitimate test results in?
15:21:44 <bladernr> ..
15:22:01 <ara> bladernr, good idea, I guess they could
15:22:02 <cr3> bladernr: I think legitimate results should happen when we consider oneiric to be legitimate
15:22:13 <bladernr> cr3: semi-legitimate then
15:22:17 <ara> cr3, legitimate results as in legitimate for the action item
15:22:17 <bladernr> or... faux-legitimate
15:22:40 <cr3> ok, my brain just leaked
15:22:53 <ara> o/
15:22:58 <cr3> ara: go ahead
15:23:02 <brendand> o/
15:23:05 <jedimike> o/
15:23:18 <ara> cr3, is it possible to discard submissions that are being done by checkbox < 0.12.8 ?
15:23:22 <ara> ..
15:23:49 <cr3> ara: nope, client information is not recorded
15:23:51 <cr3> ..
15:23:53 <ara> cr3, thanks
15:23:55 <ara> brendand, your turn
15:24:54 <brendand> i'll answer 'no' to bluetooth/file-transfer next time (if it hasn't been removed?)
15:24:56 <brendand> ..
15:25:06 <jedimike> o/
15:25:12 <ara> brendand, it was removed
15:25:15 <ara> jedimike, your turn
15:25:27 <Amoz> o/
15:25:30 <jedimike> there's still a problem with the bluetooth/detect test
15:25:40 <jedimike> it fails, and checkbox asks you to submit a bug
15:25:52 <brendand> o/
15:25:58 <jedimike> looks like the reason it fails is that the bluez-hcidump package isn't installed
15:26:25 <jedimike> that shouldn't not be installed if we're running checkbox, surely?
15:26:33 <jedimike> I'm submitting a bug report
15:26:34 <jedimike> ..
15:26:46 <ara> Amoz, your turn
15:27:14 <Amoz> shouldn't it save the client and ubuntu versions (beta, RC etc.) so we can look at the actual progress for a new release in terms of UF:ness?
15:27:19 <Amoz> ..
15:27:45 <ara> brendand, your turn
15:28:00 <cr3> o/
15:28:50 <brendand> the bluetooth/detect test is just the output of 'hcitool dev'. it doesn't depend on bluez-hcidump. it fails if there is no bluetooth device on the system, which makes sense
15:28:54 <brendand> ...
15:29:19 <ara> o/
15:29:38 <jedimike> o/
15:29:40 <ara> cr3, go ahead
15:30:12 <cr3> Amoz: UF'ness is a good point but rather complicated to scale for the ubuntu community because it would require recording all the packages installed in order to detect things like packages installed from PPA, etc.
15:30:16 <cr3> ..
15:30:51 <ara> my turn, I guess
15:31:30 <ara> so, to Amoz, that'd be useful but as cr3, it is very difficult to implement. But we might consider it for future versions
15:31:39 <cr3> ara: blueprint?
15:31:40 <ara> to brendand, jedimike on the detect one
15:31:58 <Amoz> o/
15:32:39 <jedimike> brendand: I appreciate the test doesn't need hcidump, and when the test fails and it asks me if I want to submit a bug, it asks me to run that command, which isn't installed. It's just confusing that the test is meant to fail if I have no bluetooth hardware, and yet it asks me if I want to submit a bug...
15:32:55 <jedimike> Being a fan of ubuntu and wanting to improve it, of course I want to submit a bug
15:33:09 <ara> brendand, the test is not meant to be run if the system does not have bluetooth
15:33:26 <jedimike> Ah, then that might be the problem, I have no bluetooth hardware and yet the test is running
15:33:28 <jedimike> ..
15:33:34 <ara> brendand, or if it is meant to be run, then it shouldn't count as failure in UF
15:33:43 <ara> brendand, jedimike: let's take this offline
15:33:53 <ara> Amoz, your turn, agian
15:34:07 <Amoz> to clarify, if checkbox is able to send the info about whether it's beta1/rc/alpha the UF site could just ignore all the versions except the stable ones.
15:34:38 <cr3> o/
15:34:39 <Amoz> this way everyone can see the big picture, but not cluttering the UF site with development releases
15:34:47 <Amoz> ..
15:34:53 <ara> cr3, yes, sir
15:35:45 <cr3> Amoz: accurately detecting beta1, etc. is very complicated. it can only be determined reliably by comparing the set of packages and their versions to the state of the archive within the delta of the release you're interested in... pain!
15:36:18 <Amoz> ah, of course. thanks for clarifying that
15:36:47 <ara> OK
15:36:52 <ara> anything else on this topic?
15:36:57 <cr3> Amoz: the best that can accomplished, with meh accuracy, is checking the output of lsb-release for development vs stable or the kernel version... but, as I said, that's "meh" at best
15:37:01 <cr3> ..
15:37:42 <cr3> Amoz: fyi, that was considered pretty important at some point, so likely to be worked on eventually
15:38:30 <ara> cr3, Amoz: the blueprint that might cover those topics is: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/certify-planning/+spec/hardware-p-cert-selftest
15:38:56 <cr3> ara: thanks!
15:39:14 <ara> anything else on this topic, or shall we move on?
15:39:51 <ara> #topic Any Other Business?
15:40:02 <ara> Any last minute topic?
15:40:50 <ara> OK, let's wrap up then
15:40:52 <ara> #endmeeting