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<jcastro> alright
<jcastro> who's around for the How to Run a Bug Jam session?
* jcg_ is here for Global Jam training
<jcastro> woo hoo, we've got one! Anyone else!
<Iowan> I am...
* maiatoday is here for Global Jam training
<linuxuser21> Me!
<YoBoY> i am...
<jcastro> alright, let's give it like 2 more minutes for the stragglers
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
<mhall119|work> o/
* jcastro notices mhall119|work shows up to every one
<jcastro> ok let's get started
<jcastro> please shout out which LoCo team you're representing (if any)
<Iowan> Iowa
<jcastro> I'm Jorge Castro and I'm from US Michigan
<linuxuser21> Iowa
<maiatoday> ZA
<mhall119|work> jcastro: gonna be my first global jam
<jcg_> NC
<YoBoY> Ubuntu-fr
* mhall119|work does his homework
<mhall119|work> ubuntu-us-fl
<jcastro> awesome, so we have a nice mix of people from around the world.
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam <-- First things first, this page has all the information we'll need
<jcastro> as you are planning your jam if you find a place where the information is unclear
<jcastro> or could be better written you can feel free to add things
<jcastro> or fix errors, or whatever
<jcastro> remember that if you can't understand something in our docs, there's a good chance someone else might not either!
<jcastro> ok so for the global jam the first thing you need to determine is .... are you going to have one?
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
<jcastro> this is a list of teams that have already committed to having a Jam
<jcastro> don't worry, it's common for teams to not add their information until later on
<jcastro> we have no shortage of procrastinators! :)
<jcastro> have you guys decided if you're going to participate?
<Iowan> We intent to participate in some fashion
<jcg_> us-nc is planning an event
<jcastro> ok, so assuming you want to participate usually the first thing you need to do is find a venue.
<mhall119|work> also, loco.ubuntu.com can track your loco events now, and there is a global event for this Global Jam
<YoBoY> yes of course, don't know where yet ^^
<jcastro> it's step 1 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
<maiatoday> I'd like to try but it may be small
<jcastro> a venue can be anywhere from a hall, to a pub, a person's house, or whatever works for your team
<jcastro> we've had some in a library, etc.
<mhall119|work> libraries are good, we've done several meetups in libraries
<jcastro> usually you want to get the venue sorted as soon as possible since it can take time to get that squared away
<jcastro> remember that your venue should be geek friendly.
<jcastro> so take into accounts things like power, internet, etc.
<jcastro> you can always ask people who show up to bring power strips and any gear you might need.
<jcastro> one thing that is very useful for people is to get a projector
<jcastro> this is useful because one person can have their laptop on the big screen
<jcastro> and you can walk through examples of how to triage a bug or things like that
<jcastro> it just makes it easier for people to follow along.
<jcastro> any questions on venues?
<mhall119|work> if you choose a library or other public space, ask if you're allowed to bring food and drinks, don't assume
<jcastro> there is the ubuntu-event-planners list if you have any questions or need tips
<jcastro> yes, also remember your age requirements
<jcastro> if you have a Jam in a bar and it's 21 and over and you have 2 18 year olds show up and not allowed in that can suck. :(
<jcastro> ok so now that you have a place you actually need to figure out what to do
<jcastro> you can do Transations, Bug, Packaging, Doc, Testing, and (whew) Upgrade Jams
<jcastro> these are kind of the officially blessed types of Jams
<jcastro> however remember that if you want to do something else then go for it!
<jcastro> So if you've done an awesome marketing job and you get flooded with 25 random people from the street who are interested in Ubuntu you might want to just go into Installfest/Tutorial mode for example
<jcastro> one new kind of Jam this cycle is the Upgrade Jam
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade
<jcastro> this one is important for a few reasons
<jcastro> first of all, you need to plan it more in advance, since it needs lots of bandwidth, so having a closeby mirror of the archive is handy
<jcastro> and it's also important since this is a Long Term Support Release that our upgrade experience is totally solid as a rock.
<jcastro> the nice thing about this jam too is that since the Jam is while we are still in Beta then that means you can contribute to testing upgrades right there on the spot for Lucid!
<jcastro> (this by the way is why we time the Global Jam to be after feature freeze)
<jcastro> that allows everyone to have one weekend kicking the tires
<jcastro> I won't talk too much about packaging and translation jams since they have seperate sessions
<jcastro> Bug Jams are another kind of Jam
<jcastro> we do this one alot in Michigan
<jcastro> however it's most effective when you have a more experienced bug person handy to teach people how to work with bugs
<jcastro> ok, any questions on the type of Jams?
<mhall119|work> anything on doc jams?
<jcastro> oh, good point
<jcastro> I think this is the 2nd time we've had doc jams?
<jcastro> so, doc jams are split into like, stuff on the wiki
<YoBoY> yes
<jcastro> and docs on the system
<jcg_> is there a URL for info on testing jams?
<jcastro> wiki cleanup/updating wiki pages can be a nice low-barrier entry thing for people
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing
<jcg_> ty
<jcastro> so perhaps people can claim parts of the wiki to clean up
<jcastro> "ok guys, for an hour let's concentrate on this section of the wiki over here" or something
<jcastro> depending on how knowledgeable you are on the area
<jcastro> thanks for bringing up testing jams
<jcastro> at a minimum, even if you totally fail at the entire jam, getting a Live CD of Lucid and doing a hardware submission is really easy to do
<jcastro> so if a person feels like they're not technical enough to get started, start them off with a LiveCD
<jcastro> after they do the hardware submission they will feel like they've accomplished something right away and will be encouraged to keep going
<jcastro> if you take someone and throw them knee deep into triaging kernel bugs or something they'll just feel lost
<jcastro> "Welcome, first time here? First time Linux user? Great, let's get you started on Pulseaudio and ALSA bugs!" <--- not recommended. :)
<jcastro> the hardware submission thing is a slick little gui, the instructions are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing
<jcastro> * side note, even when not doing Jams this data can be useful, so consider having a USB key or CD during other local computer events like LUG meetings, etc.
<jcastro> every submission helps!
<jcastro> any other questions on the type of jams?
<jcastro> also, don't be intimidated by any kind of structure
<jcastro> if some people wanna do bug stuff and some people want to do testing and some people want to concentrate on docs then that's totally fine!
<jcastro> also, if it's your first Jam you might feel like you didn't get much accomplished
<jcastro> remember that while working on ubuntu is helpful, really the goal of the Jam is to bring your local team together
<jcastro> so don't think of it in terms of "bummer we only triaged 5 bugs in 10 hours" or something
<jcastro> if people are having a good time and learning stuff then it's a success
<jcastro> some Jams lean more towards the social side than others, and that's fine too
<jcastro> you don't need to be like cracking whips or something. :)
<jcastro> any other questions on types of jams?
<maiatoday> just a comment, I am glad that it is ok to have a mixed jam
<mhall119|work> so, whips are optional then
<maiatoday> that means that we can arrange it that the experienced guy doesn't get flooded by new people
<jcastro> yeah, remember your LoCo team runs your LoCo! It's not anyone else's place to dictate how you run your own events
<jcastro> we just make sure we write things down as general guidelines
<jcastro> so things that work we can sustain, and things that don't work we can share with other teams so they don't make the same mistakes!
<jcastro> ok, so now that you have a place, people, and know what you want to do
<jcastro> you need to tell people
<jcastro> this involves mailing lists, perhaps putting up signs at a local computer store (or whatever)
<jcastro> or announcing on LUG lists, your section of the ubuntu forum, etc.
<jcastro> you should also make sure you are listed on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
<jcastro> as the jam gets closer people will go to that page
<jcastro> so it's important that people know where your group will be
<jcastro> also don't assume that you don't need to post on places
<jcastro> I used to add it to the local tech google calendar
<mhall119|work> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
<jcastro> and was like "this is a waste of time no one reads this"
<jcastro> and then some people showed up and were like "oh we saw this on that calendar" and I was like ... !!
<jcastro> any marketing you can do to get people there helps
<jcastro> any one have tips or tricks in this arena?
<mhall119|work> blog about it
<jcastro> yep
<mhall119|work> we had people show up to -fl events from a posting on planet, who had never contacted the loco directly
<jcastro> also, these little hacking-space communities that are sprouting up
<jcastro> are good places to find possible geeks and to advertise
<jcastro> also
<jcastro> in case you missed it
<jcastro> there are banners and artwork here for you to use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
<jcastro> of course if you make your own signs and materials or whatever feel free to stick it on the wiki so others can reuse it
<jcastro> any questions on marketing?
<YoBoY> blogs, tweets, buzz, ml, forum...
<jcg_> <-- us-nc advocacy lead .. first jam & terrified
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams <-- add them here if missing
<YoBoY> have we a tweet group or something for the event?
<jcastro> jcg_: my first jam was pretty much a disaster, but it's ok!
<jcastro> yeah, #globaljam is the hashtag
<jcastro> and the irc channel will be #globaljam
<jcastro> ok, the actual Jam itself ...
<jcastro> if your venue is large or confusing, it might be a good idea to put signs up
<jcastro> also, testing the internet connection, etc.
<jcastro> for a bunch of Jams (especially bug jams) people need a Launchpad account
<jcastro> it's recommended that you tell people to sign up for launchpad BEFORE the event.
<jcastro> My first jam the entire first hour was everyone signing up for launchpad
<jcastro> which in hindsight was a waste of valuable time!
<jcastro> you should also tell people about tools you might want to use
<jcastro> for example the "gobby" program is popular because it lets people work on documents at the same time
<jcg_> where for more info on gobby?
<jcastro> (looking)
<linuxuser21> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/
<maiatoday> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobby
<jcg_> ty
<mhall119|work> apt-get install gobby
<jcastro> http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/55361
<jcastro> ok so while you are "Jamming" it's useful to hang out in the IRC channel
<jcastro> so you can leverage the other groups
<YoBoY> not easy to do that and help the beginners on the same time ¬_¬
<jcastro> YoBoY: what we do is have one person
<jcastro> they send out the occasional tweet or whatever "Woo hoo Joe Smith just triaged his first bug! #globaljam" or whatever
<jcastro> and if you get stuck you can always find help in the IRC channel
<jcastro> where a bunch of us will be if you have problems!
<jcastro> of course friendly competition with your neighboring LoCo team is encouraged!
<jcastro> "Take that Ohio you scumbags!"
<jcastro> ok so that wasn't a good example
<jcastro> the nice thing about when it actually comes to running the jam people in other time zones are already jamming
<jcastro> so before you even start Planet is filled with pictures of jams happening all around the world
<jcastro> this gets people excited, so remember to take pics and post them online
<jcastro> at the end we like to post a pic from each team that jammed!
<jcastro> you should also blog your experiences
<jcastro> good AND bad, remember that it's totally ok to have problems
<jcastro> it's just important that you write it down.
<jcastro> "remember next time, bring more CDRs" or whatever
<jcastro> also feel free to leverage experienced LoCo people in this channel and on the mailing list
<jcastro> sometimes you feel like "I don't want to ask anyone I might sound dumb"
<jcastro> but no one is going to make fun of you for being new!
<jcastro> in fact, even after 4 or 5 of these something will always not go right, it's the ability to learn and be flexible that will gel your LoCo into a finely tuned instrument of Ubuntu awesomeness.
<jcastro> also, something groups always forget
<jcastro> is you can have Jams whenever you want!
<jcastro> we coordinate One Big Jam for Everyone once per cycle in the beta time to kind of line everyone up
<jcastro> but if you want to run Jams whenever you want that is encouraged
<jcastro> in Berlin they have Jams /all the time/
<jcastro> they're a large LoCo and have been doing it for years but there's no reason you can't run Jams whenever you want
<jcastro> any questions so far?
<jcastro> that kind of covers my spiel part, I can answer specific questions you might have
* jcg_ may be too ignorant to ask a question
<Iowan> This is where it woulda been nice to have some questions written down...
<jcastro> please do! It's my job to make sure you have the right info!
<jcastro> (and of course, this isn't the end of the tutorial per se, you can always follow up after)
<YoBoY> jcastro: do you have material to make presentations ?
<jcastro> yeah, we have a bunch actually
<jcg_> but one needs to know what to ask? lol
<jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations
<Iowan> You probably can't answer, but how much of this is public advertising, and how much is LoCo bonding?
<jcastro> YoBoY: totally steal what you need
<jcastro> Iowan: depends on what you want to do.
<jcastro> Iowan: I tell no lies, our first Jam was more of a Beer Jam than anything else.
<Iowan> It'll be our first...
<YoBoY> tanks
<jcastro> I have mulled actually putting "Beer Jam" on the docs
<jcastro> but then no one would do the other ones!
<airurando> Hey jcastro, I've been reading along. I'm a home user of ubuntu and getting involved with the Ireland LoCo. Encouraged by what I've heard so far. What would your best advice be for a non tech user to be as useful and productive possible at a global jam.
<jcastro> airurando: you're in luck, because Ireland has an /amazing/ LoCo.
<airurando> yip:)
<jcastro> airurando: if you're new just show up with your laptop and the right attitude!
<jcastro> airurando: however it's harder in some places that don't have established locos to kind of bootstrap themselves
<jcastro> but you get out of it what you put in it
<jcastro> if you show up and there's only one other person at least there's 2 of you to work on something
<jcastro> remember, don't judge success by the amount of work you get done, if it's your first time it won't be much anyway
<jcastro> concentrate on having a good time, helping others, and learning!
<airurando> Thanks will do, and thanks for this tutorial
<airurando> it has been reassuring
<jcastro> awesome, well, I idle in here most of the time, so if you think of questions please go ahead and ask!
<jcastro> or feel free to hit up the mailing list!
<Iowan> Will future training sessions repeat, or build on this one?
<jcg_> jcastro, extremely good presentation .. far exceeded my expectations!
<jcastro> heh
* airurando has taken notes
<jcastro> ok, I'm out for food, I'll see you all around! Feel free to idle in here, even without the presentations it's a good place to be!
<jcg_> I have just over a year's exerience with Ubuntu and now I'm knee deep. Is there any docs or training regarding advocacy issues?
<maiatoday> thanks jcastro
<Iowan> MANY thanks from Iowa
<airurando> thank you jcastro
<dholbach> hello, bonjour and buenos dias!
<dholbach> who's here for some jamming action?
<malev> hola dholbach !!!
<dholbach> hey malev
<dholbach> malev: which loco are you from?
<malev> dholbach: me! here is the jam talk?
<dholbach> yep
<ecanto> dholbach, buenos dias!
<malev> cool!
<malev> mucho español por aquí?
<dholbach> hola ecanto - which loco are you from?
<dholbach> no no, no Español :)
<dholbach> dpm tried to teach me but I'm useless at spanish
<dholbach> (or catalan)
<dholbach> who else is here to talk a bit about jams and packaging jams?
<ecanto> dholbach, brazilian
<dholbach> nice ecanto!
<ecanto> (:
<mhall119|work> dholbach: is the jam session going to be here or in -meeting?
<dholbach> here
<mhall119|work> cool
<dholbach> are you and your locos going to participate in the ubuntu global jam in a few weeks?
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
<dholbach> it'll be 26th - 28th March 2010 this time
<malev> I'm here for that! I wish here in Ar we could preparate a jam!
<mhall119|work> dholbach: Florida has 3 jams planned
<dholbach> nice
<dholbach> I'm part of the Berlin team and we'll participate too
<dholbach> does anybody have any general questions about setting up a jam?
<dholbach> or concerns or ideas or anything?
<dholbach> we can keep this very informal and just chat a bit
<malev> dholbach: how to convince people to participate?? :D I think this is the hardest part
<dholbach> malev: I personally think it's important to set the right expectations when you announce it or when you talk to people
<mhall119|work> malev: promise them a good time
<dholbach> if you tell them "hey, we all do development there", you might lose a lot of people who are interested but unsure about how they participate or those who want to come there to learn
<mhall119|work> if it sounds too much like work, not as many people will attend
<dholbach> yes, mhall119|work's absolutely right - it's totally about the fun of coming together, learning from each other and doing something cool
<malev> nice
<dholbach> we came together the last time and nearly spent the entire day there, got some lunch, some snacks and had fun
<mhall119|work> free food helps too
<dholbach> some were triaging bugs
<dholbach> some were trying to package something
<dholbach> others did some translations
<dholbach> and others were just chatting
<dholbach> which is totally fine :)
<dholbach> and if you're just a few people in the beginning, you can always grow :)
<dholbach> anybody else here participating?
<jamalta> me!
<dholbach> hey jamalta! which loco are you from?
<jamalta> well, that depends on what you mean by participating :)
<jamalta> dholbach: Florida
<dholbach> ah nice!
<jamalta> mhall119|work: pointed out that a class on packaging jams was going on, and i'm trying to host one during the global jam in orlando
<mhall119|work> jamalta: you need to go register yourself as coming: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/15/detail/
<jamalta> mhall119|work: oh cool, i didn't know this existed
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events has a few already too
<dholbach> ok, let's move on to packaging jams particularly
<mhall119|work> jamalta: what? I've been spamming the channel about it for weeks
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams has a list of different types of jams you can have at your event
<jamalta> mhall119|work: i've also been very inactive in the channel for weeks :(
<dholbach> it all depends on what kind of interest people in your loco have
<dholbach> if they want to do something with translations and testing, you should have a look at that - or find somebody who's responsible for organising that part
<dholbach> what we want in any case is update testing
<dholbach> ara will talk about that separately in the next days I think
<dholbach> so if you want to do something with packaging at the jam, it's very important you find out how experience the attendants are
<dholbach> if you want to jump right in and most of your fellow loco members have never used a terminal before it might be a bit tricky :)
<dholbach> right expectations... again :)
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Packaging has a bunch of important links and suggestions
<malev> dholbach: is there a list of motu's per country? I wanna find some from Argentine to invite to the jam and maybe to give a talk
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn for example is quite good if you want to demonstrate what packaging is about
<dholbach> it's not necessarily "giving talks" (althought it's part of it), but more: trying together to make Ubuntu better
<dholbach> malev: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+map is all Ubuntu developers
<dholbach> not many from south america
<dholbach> which we need to fix! :)
<dholbach> so, what can you do?
<dholbach> - demonstrate the material on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn
<malev> dholbach: I can't believe there is not a single motu in Argentine
<dholbach> a packaging jam might be a good start towards getting more! :)
<dholbach> once you've covered a bit of ground and people played around with a few tools, you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO to find a few small bugs you might want to fix as a team
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted is a place you might want to advertise too :)
<dholbach> in terms of preparation it might make sense to have a local mirror (also if you do upgrade testing)
<dholbach> so people can get the source code easily
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams has some information about that
<dholbach> are there any more questions already?
<malev> dholbach: why a mirror? for what? - I don't understand
<dholbach> a mirror with the newest packages and sources from lucid
<dholbach> sometimes you maybe are at a venue where you don't have fast internet
<dholbach> particularly if you have alot of people there
<jamalta> dholbach: so an apt mirror? is there a guide to setting one up?
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams should have a link
<dholbach> hang on
<jamalta> dholbach: oh ok sorry!
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade definitely does
<jamalta> dholbach: also, wouldn't we want a mirror for karmic and lucid? we may have people using both
<dholbach> jamalta: sure that might make sense, for development it usually is better if you work in the development environment you're working on
<dholbach> so if you fix lucid bugs you want to test them in lucid
<jamalta> dholbach: ah, makes sense, but are we supposed to make sure everyine is running lucid for the packaging jam? that might be a lot to ask for
<dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases explains how to use a VM for example to run lucid in
<jamalta> dholbach: oh fantastic!
<dholbach> jamalta: one idea was to start the jams with an upgrade jam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade
<jamalta> would it be a good idea to have a Lucid VM ready for everyone that we could just copy? it would be faster that way i think
<jamalta> dholbach: ah i see
<jamalta> dholbach: that makes more sense
<dholbach> jamalta: particularly because we want the lts upgrades to be well tested
<jamalta> of course
<dholbach> and the time of the ubuntu global jam should be after beta 1
<dholbach> ...if I remember correctly
<jamalta> right
<dholbach> so you'd hope the upgrade would just work :-)
<dholbach> having the packaging jam clearly depends on the interest of your group
<jamalta> dholbach: do you think it would be a good idea to do an upgrade jam followed by a packaging jam in the same day? or would that be too much?
<dholbach> but it you have one, it's a lot of fun to find out about the tools that are used, to mess around a bit and if you manage to, maybe even fix a small bug
<dholbach> I think that should be fine
<dholbach> with a local mirror it should be really fast
<dholbach> plus ara put up some great documentation about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade
<jamalta> dholbach: cool, thanks for the tips
<dholbach> it should be a lot of fun :)
<dholbach> do you guys have any questions?
<dholbach> or anything you're wondering about?
<malev> is there is place to submit the loco for a jam?
<dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
<dholbach> we will have some more sessions about translations, testing/upgrade and packaging jams and more generally about organising jams
<dholbach> it might be worth joining them
<dholbach> or just hang out here generally
<mhall119|work> also, your loco admins can add the event to loco.ubuntu.com
<dholbach> there's so many great loco people here who know how to organise a great event
<mhall119|work> there is a global event for "Global Jam", so we can track all participating events
<mhall119|work> so far only Florida, Chicago and Quebec have added their events
<mhall119|work> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3/detail/
* dholbach need to get back to the Berlin team about the jam :)
<dholbach> any more questions?
<dholbach> if not now, just ask them later - there's always somebody around who can answer them :-)
* dholbach hugs you all!
<malev> mhall119|work: I'm trying to convince the people of the Argentine - team to joint the Jam, but I haven't got to much quorum so far :(
<jamalta> dholbach: thanks!
<malev> thanks dholbach
<mhall119|work> thanks dholbach
<mhall119|work> malev: trying to get them to hold a jam, or list it on loco.ubuntu.com?
<malev> still trying :D
<dholbach> malev: if you have people meeting in a city, that's a good start already - if you notice there's interest about bug work or packaging or anything else, try to find somebody who can be responsible for organising that part of the event :)
<dholbach> malev: it'll be loads of fun
<dholbach> I can guarantee you that :)
<mhall119|work> you don't need many people for a jam, more than one will do
<dholbach> :-)
<dholbach> mhall119|work's right
<dholbach> brb

Training - How to run a Packaging Jam, dholbach 2010-03-04

   1 <dholbach> hello, bonjour and buenos dias!
   2 <dholbach> who's here for some jamming action?
   3 <malev> hola dholbach !!!
   4 <dholbach> hey malev
   5 <dholbach> malev: which loco are you from?
   6 <malev> dholbach: me! here is the jam talk?
   7 <dholbach> yep
   8 <ecanto> dholbach, buenos dias!
   9 <malev> cool!
  10 <malev> mucho español por aquí?
  11 <dholbach> hola ecanto - which loco are you from?
  12 <dholbach> no no, no Español :)
  13 <dholbach> dpm tried to teach me but I'm useless at spanish
  14 <dholbach> (or catalan)
  15 <dholbach> who else is here to talk a bit about jams and packaging jams?
  16 <ecanto> dholbach, brazilian
  17 <dholbach> nice ecanto!
  18 <ecanto> (:
  19 <mhall119|work> dholbach: is the jam session going to be here or in -meeting?
  20 <dholbach> here
  21 <mhall119|work> cool
  22 <dholbach> are you and your locos going to participate in the ubuntu global jam in a few weeks?
  23 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
  24 <dholbach> it'll be 26th - 28th March 2010 this time
  25 <malev> I'm here for that! I wish here in Ar we could preparate a jam!
  26 <mhall119|work> dholbach: Florida has 3 jams planned
  27 <dholbach> nice
  28 <dholbach> I'm part of the Berlin team and we'll participate too
  29 <dholbach> does anybody have any general questions about setting up a jam?
  30 <dholbach> or concerns or ideas or anything?
  31 <dholbach> we can keep this very informal and just chat a bit
  32 <malev> dholbach: how to convince people to participate?? :D I think this is the hardest part
  33 <dholbach> malev: I personally think it's important to set the right expectations when you announce it or when you talk to people
  34 <mhall119|work> malev: promise them a good time
  35 <dholbach> if you tell them "hey, we all do development there", you might lose a lot of people who are interested but unsure about how they participate or those who want to come there to learn
  36 <mhall119|work> if it sounds too much like work, not as many people will attend
  37 <dholbach> yes, mhall119|work's absolutely right - it's totally about the fun of coming together, learning from each other and doing something cool
  38 <malev> nice
  39 <dholbach> we came together the last time and nearly spent the entire day there, got some lunch, some snacks and had fun
  40 <mhall119|work> free food helps too
  41 <dholbach> some were triaging bugs
  42 <dholbach> some were trying to package something
  43 <dholbach> others did some translations
  44 <dholbach> and others were just chatting
  45 <dholbach> which is totally fine :)
  46 <dholbach> and if you're just a few people in the beginning, you can always grow :)
  47 <dholbach> anybody else here participating?
  48 <jamalta> me!
  49 <dholbach> hey jamalta! which loco are you from?
  50 <jamalta> well, that depends on what you mean by participating :)
  51 <jamalta> dholbach: Florida
  52 <dholbach> ah nice!
  53 <jamalta> mhall119|work: pointed out that a class on packaging jams was going on, and i'm trying to host one during the global jam in orlando
  54 <mhall119|work> jamalta: you need to go register yourself as coming: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/15/detail/
  55 <jamalta> mhall119|work: oh cool, i didn't know this existed
  56 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events has a few already too
  57 <dholbach> ok, let's move on to packaging jams particularly
  58 <mhall119|work> jamalta: what? I've been spamming the channel about it for weeks
  59 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams has a list of different types of jams you can have at your event
  60 <jamalta> mhall119|work: i've also been very inactive in the channel for weeks :(
  61 <dholbach> it all depends on what kind of interest people in your loco have
  62 <dholbach> if they want to do something with translations and testing, you should have a look at that - or find somebody who's responsible for organising that part
  63 <dholbach> what we want in any case is update testing
  64 <dholbach> ara will talk about that separately in the next days I think
  65 <dholbach> so if you want to do something with packaging at the jam, it's very important you find out how experience the attendants are
  66 <dholbach> if you want to jump right in and most of your fellow loco members have never used a terminal before it might be a bit tricky :)
  67 <dholbach> right expectations... again :)
  68 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Packaging has a bunch of important links and suggestions
  69 <malev> dholbach: is there a list of motu's per country? I wanna find some from Argentine to invite to the jam and maybe to give a talk
  70 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn for example is quite good if you want to demonstrate what packaging is about
  71 <dholbach> it's not necessarily "giving talks" (althought it's part of it), but more: trying together to make Ubuntu better
  72 <dholbach> malev: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+map is all Ubuntu developers
  73 <dholbach> not many from south america
  74 <dholbach> which we need to fix! :)
  75 <dholbach> so, what can you do?
  76 <dholbach> - demonstrate the material on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn
  77 <malev> dholbach: I can't believe there is not a single motu in Argentine
  78 <dholbach> a packaging jam might be a good start towards getting more! :)
  79 <dholbach> once you've covered a bit of ground and people played around with a few tools, you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO to find a few small bugs you might want to fix as a team
  80 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted is a place you might want to advertise too :)
  81 <dholbach> in terms of preparation it might make sense to have a local mirror (also if you do upgrade testing)
  82 <dholbach> so people can get the source code easily
  83 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams has some information about that
  84 <dholbach> are there any more questions already?
  85 <malev> dholbach: why a mirror? for what? - I don't understand
  86 <dholbach> a mirror with the newest packages and sources from lucid
  87 <dholbach> sometimes you maybe are at a venue where you don't have fast internet
  88 <dholbach> particularly if you have alot of people there
  89 <jamalta> dholbach: so an apt mirror? is there a guide to setting one up?
  90 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams should have a link
  91 <dholbach> hang on
  92 <jamalta> dholbach: oh ok sorry!
  93 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade definitely does
  94 <jamalta> dholbach: also, wouldn't we want a mirror for karmic and lucid? we may have people using both
  95 <dholbach> jamalta: sure that might make sense, for development it usually is better if you work in the development environment you're working on
  96 <dholbach> so if you fix lucid bugs you want to test them in lucid
  97 <jamalta> dholbach: ah, makes sense, but are we supposed to make sure everyine is running lucid for the packaging jam? that might be a lot to ask for
  98 <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases explains how to use a VM for example to run lucid in
  99 <jamalta> dholbach: oh fantastic!
 100 <dholbach> jamalta: one idea was to start the jams with an upgrade jam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade
 101 <jamalta> would it be a good idea to have a Lucid VM ready for everyone that we could just copy? it would be faster that way i think
 102 <jamalta> dholbach: ah i see
 103 <jamalta> dholbach: that makes more sense
 104 <dholbach> jamalta: particularly because we want the lts upgrades to be well tested
 105 <jamalta> of course
 106 <dholbach> and the time of the ubuntu global jam should be after beta 1
 107 <dholbach> ...if I remember correctly
 108 <jamalta> right
 109 <dholbach> so you'd hope the upgrade would just work :-)
 110 <dholbach> having the packaging jam clearly depends on the interest of your group
 111 <jamalta> dholbach: do you think it would be a good idea to do an upgrade jam followed by a packaging jam in the same day? or would that be too much?
 112 <dholbach> but it you have one, it's a lot of fun to find out about the tools that are used, to mess around a bit and if you manage to, maybe even fix a small bug
 113 <dholbach> I think that should be fine
 114 <dholbach> with a local mirror it should be really fast
 115 <dholbach> plus ara put up some great documentation about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade
 116 <jamalta> dholbach: cool, thanks for the tips
 117 <dholbach> it should be a lot of fun :)
 118 <dholbach> do you guys have any questions?
 119 <dholbach> or anything you're wondering about?
 120 <malev> is there is place to submit the loco for a jam?
 121 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
 122 <dholbach> we will have some more sessions about translations, testing/upgrade and packaging jams and more generally about organising jams
 123 <dholbach> it might be worth joining them
 124 <dholbach> or just hang out here generally
 125 <mhall119|work> also, your loco admins can add the event to loco.ubuntu.com
 126 <dholbach> there's so many great loco people here who know how to organise a great event
 127 <mhall119|work> there is a global event for "Global Jam", so we can track all participating events
 128 <mhall119|work> so far only Florida, Chicago and Quebec have added their events
 129 <mhall119|work> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3/detail/
 130 * dholbach need to get back to the Berlin team about the jam :)
 131 <dholbach> any more questions?
 132 <dholbach> if not now, just ask them later - there's always somebody around who can answer them :-)
 133 * dholbach hugs you all!
 134 <malev> mhall119|work: I'm trying to convince the people of the Argentine - team to joint the Jam, but I haven't got to much quorum so far :(
 135 <jamalta> dholbach: thanks!
 136 <malev> thanks dholbach
 137 <mhall119|work> thanks dholbach
 138 <mhall119|work> malev: trying to get them to hold a jam, or list it on loco.ubuntu.com?
 139 <malev> still trying :D
 140 <dholbach> malev: if you have people meeting in a city, that's a good start already - if you notice there's interest about bug work or packaging or anything else, try to find somebody who can be responsible for organising that part of the event :)
 141 <dholbach> malev: it'll be loads of fun
 142 <dholbach> I can guarantee you that :)
 143 <mhall119|work> you don't need many people for a jam, more than one will do
 144 <dholbach> :-)
 145 <dholbach> mhall119|work's right
 146 <dholbach> brb


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