UbuntuLiveChatSupport

Revision 57 as of 2007-11-09 20:17:54

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Summary

The [:UbuntuLiveChatSupport: UbuntuLiveChatSupport] aims to provide an interface to communicate to other ubuntu users with the same language & location, as well as to connect to the official ubuntu channel in freenode.net. It also aims to get live chat support from ubuntu users right into the desktop menu, via "System > Help > Live Chat Support".

Rationale

People who don't speak english and want local support in their language will face a challenge to gain help in existing documentations, specially when there are just a few documentations for their language. But if they speak to someone that can understand their language, they can talk to an experienced user to provide them with answers. It might as well be positive, because there might be a good chance that they will collaborate on translation of documentations and software for their language, as well as contributing to the Ubuntu work.

Another problem with the current way of getting help in Ubuntu requires the user to read and browse documentations, but what most users really want is getting the right answers to the questions straight. Browsing and reading documentations sometimes require one to research on a particular problem. But to get the right answer from an experience user is the most easiest way.

Scope

This will use Gaim as an IRC client, but will not alter the main Gaim configurations. It will add the IRC channels defined in InternetRelayChat in Gaim buddy list, namely, Support Channels, and Team Collaboration Channels. Localization channels defined in this page is added automatically.

Localization

The user's location & language will be the basis of the default channel that will be automatically joined.

#ubuntu-<locale code> is the default channel, wherein <locale code> is based on their country. However, #ubuntu will also be added to the auto-join list.

Here are the list of the channels and their descriptions

Locale Code

Country

Channel Definition

AD

(Andorra)

Ubuntu Channel

AE

(United Arab Emirates)

Ubuntu Channel

AL

(Albania)

Ubuntu Channel

AM

(Armenia)

Ubuntu Channel

AR

(Argentina)

Ubuntu Channel

AT

(Austria)

Ubuntu Channel

AU

(Australia)

Ubuntu Channel

AZ

(Azerbaijan)

Ubuntu Channel

BA

(Bosnia)

Ubuntu Channel

BD

(Bangladesh)

Ubuntu Channel

BE

(Belgium)

Ubuntu Channel

BG

(Bulgaria)

Ubuntu Channel

BH

(Bahrain)

Ubuntu Channel

BO

(Bolivia)

Ubuntu Channel

BR

(Brazil)

Ubuntu Channel

BT

(Bhutan)

Ubuntu Channel

BW

(Botswana)

Ubuntu Channel

BY

(Belarus)

Ubuntu Channel

CA

(Canada)

Ubuntu Channel

CH

(Switzerland)

Ubuntu Channel

CL

(Chile)

Ubuntu Channel

CN

(China)

Ubuntu Channel

CO

(Colombia)

Ubuntu Channel

CR

(Costa Rica)

Ubuntu Channel

CS

(Serbia and Montenegro)

Ubuntu Channel

CY

(Cyprus)

Ubuntu Channel

CZ

(Czech)

Ubuntu Channel

DE

(Germany)

Ubuntu Channel

DJ

(Djibouti)

Ubuntu Channel

DK

(Denmark)

Ubuntu Channel

DO

(Dominican Republic)

Ubuntu Channel

DZ

(Algeria)

Ubuntu Channel

EC

(Ecuador)

Ubuntu Channel

EE

(Estonia)

Ubuntu Channel

EG

(Egypt)

Ubuntu Channel

ER

(Eritrea)

Ubuntu Channel

ES

(Spain)

Ubuntu Channel

ET

(Ethiopia)

Ubuntu Channel

FI

(Finland)

Ubuntu Channel

FO

(Faroe Islands)

Ubuntu Channel

FR

(France)

Ubuntu Channel

GB

(Great Britain)

Ubuntu Channel

GE

(Georgia)

Ubuntu Channel

GL

(Greenland)

Ubuntu Channel

GR

(Greece)

Ubuntu Channel

GT

(Guatemala)

Ubuntu Channel

HK

(Hong Kong)

Ubuntu Channel

HN

(Honduras)

Ubuntu Channel

HR

(Croatia)

Ubuntu Channel

HU

(Hungary)

Ubuntu Channel

ID

(Indonesia)

Ubuntu Channel

IE

(Ireland)

Ubuntu Channel

IL

(Israel)

Ubuntu Channel

IN

(India)

Ubuntu Channel

IQ

(Iraq)

Ubuntu Channel

IR

(Iran)

Ubuntu Channel

IS

(Iceland)

Ubuntu Channel

IT

(Italy)

Ubuntu Channel

JO

(Jordan)

Ubuntu Channel

JP

(Japan)

Ubuntu Channel

KE

(Kenya)

Ubuntu Channel

KG

(Kyrgyzstan)

Ubuntu Channel

KH

(Cambodia)

Ubuntu Channel

KR

(South Korea)

Ubuntu Channel

KW

(Kuwait)

Ubuntu Channel

KZ

(Kazakhstan)

Ubuntu Channel

LA

(Laos)

Ubuntu Channel

LB

(Lebanon)

Ubuntu Channel

LK

(Sri Lanka)

Ubuntu Channel

LT

(Lithuania)

Ubuntu Channel

LU

(Luxemburg)

Ubuntu Channel

LV

(Latvia)

Ubuntu Channel

LY

(Libya)

Ubuntu Channel

MA

(Morocco)

Ubuntu Channel

MG

(Madagascar)

Ubuntu Channel

MK

(Macedonia)

Ubuntu Channel

MN

(Mongolia)

Ubuntu Channel

MT

(Malta)

Ubuntu Channel

MX

(Mexico)

Ubuntu Channel

MY

(Malaysia)

Ubuntu Channel

NI

(Nicaragua)

Ubuntu Channel

NL

(Netherlands)

Ubuntu Channel

NO

(Norway)

Ubuntu Channel

NP

(Nepal)

Ubuntu Channel

NZ

(New Zealand)

Ubuntu Channel

OM

(Oman)

Ubuntu Channel

PA

(Panama)

Ubuntu Channel

PE

(Peru)

Ubuntu Channel

PH

(Philippines)

Ubuntu Channel

PK

(Pakistan)

Ubuntu Channel

PL

(Poland)

Ubuntu Channel

PR

(Puerto Rico)

Ubuntu Channel

PT

(Portugal)

Ubuntu Channel

PY

(Paraguay)

Ubuntu Channel

QA

(Qatar)

Ubuntu Channel

RO

(Romania)

Ubuntu Channel

RU

(Russia)

Ubuntu Channel

RW

(Rwanda)

Ubuntu Channel

SA

(Saudi Arabia)

Ubuntu Channel

SD

(Sudan)

Ubuntu Channel

SE

(Sweden)

Ubuntu Channel

SG

(Singapore)

Ubuntu Channel

SI

(Slovenia)

Ubuntu Channel

SK

(Slovak)

Ubuntu Channel

SN

(Senegal)

Ubuntu Channel

SO

(Somalia)

Ubuntu Channel

SV

(El Salvador)

Ubuntu Channel

SY

(Syrian Arab Republic)

Ubuntu Channel

TH

(Thailand)

Ubuntu Channel

TJ

(Tajikistan)

Ubuntu Channel

TN

(Tunisia)

Ubuntu Channel

TR

(Turkey)

Ubuntu Channel

TW

(Taiwan)

Ubuntu Channel

UA

(Ukraine)

Ubuntu Channel

UG

(Uganda)

Ubuntu Channel

US

(United States of America)

Ubuntu Channel

UY

(Uruguay)

Ubuntu Channel

UZ

(Uzbekistan)

Ubuntu Channel

VE

(Venezuela)

Ubuntu Channel

VN

(Vietnam)

Ubuntu Channel

XX

(Peace)

Ubuntu Channel

YE

(Yemen)

Ubuntu Channel

YU

(Yugoslavia)

Ubuntu Channel

ZA

(South Africa)

Ubuntu Channel

ZW

(Zimbabwe)

Ubuntu Channel

The format that will appear to the buddy list would be like this:

Philippines Ubuntu Channel

All of the above localized channels would be added in gaim's buddy list, under Local Channels.

Language

Language Code

Language Name

Channel Description

aa

(Afar)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

af

(Afrikaans)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

am

(Amharic)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

an

(Aragonese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ar

(Arabic)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ast

(Asturian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

az

(Azeri)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

be

(Belarusian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

bg

(Bulgarian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

bn

(Bengali)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

br

(Breton)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

bs

(Bosnian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

byn

(Blin)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ca

(Catalan)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

csb

(Kashubian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

cs

(Czech)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

cy

(Welsh)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

da

(Danish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

de

(German)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

dz

(Dzongkha)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

el

(Greek)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

en

(English)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

eo

(Esperanto)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

es

(Spanish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

et

(Estonian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

eu

(Basque)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

fa

(Persian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

fi

(Finnish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

fo

(Faroese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

fr

(French)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

fur

(Furlan)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

fy

(Frisian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ga

(Irish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

gd

(Gaelic)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

gez

(Geez)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

gl

(Galician)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

gu

(Gurajati)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

gv

(Gaelic)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

he

(Hebrew)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

hi

(Hindi)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

hr

(Croatian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

hsb

(Sorbian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

hu

(Hungarian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

hy

(Armenian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

id

(Indonesian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ik

(Inupiaq)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

is

(Icelandic)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

it

(Italian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

iu

(Inuktitut)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

iw

(Hebrew)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ja

(Japanese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ka

(Georgian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

kk

(Kazakh)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

kl

(Greenlandic)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

km

(Khmer)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

kn

(Kannada)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ko

(Korean)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ku

(Kurdish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

kw

(Cornish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ky

(Kyrgyz)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

lg

(Luganda)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

li

(Limburgish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

lo

(Lao)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

lt

(Lithuanian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

lv

(Latvian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

mg

(Malagasy)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

mi

(Maori)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

mk

(Macedonian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ml

(Malayalam)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

mn

(Mongolian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

mr

(Marathi)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ms

(Malay)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

mt

(Maltese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

nb

(Norwegian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

nds

(Neddersassisch)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ne

(Nepali)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

nl

(Dutch)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

nn

(Nynorsk)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

no

(Norwegian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

nr

(Ndebele)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

nso

(Sotho)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

oc

(Occitan)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

om

(Oromo)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

pa

(Punjabi)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ph

(Filipino)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

pl

(Polish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

pt

(Portuguese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ro

(Romanian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ru

(Russian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

rw

(Kinyarwanda)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sa

(Sanskrit)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sc

(Sardinian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

se

(Saami)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sid

(Sidama)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

si

(Sinhala)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sk

(Slovak)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sl

(Slovenian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

so

(Somali)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sq

(Albanian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sr

(Serbian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ss

(Swati)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

st

(Sotho)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

sv

(Swedish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ta

(Tamil)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

tg

(Tajik)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

th

(Thai)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

tig

(Tigre)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ti

(Tigrigna)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

tl

(Tagalog)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

tn

(Tswana)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

tr

(Turkish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ts

(Tsonga)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

tt

(Tatar)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

uk

(Ukrainian)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ur

(Urdu)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

uz

(Uzbek)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

ve

(Venda)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

vi

(Vietnamese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

wal

(Walaita)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

wa

(Walloon)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

wo

(Wolof)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

xh

(Xhosa)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

yi

(Yiddish)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

zh

(Chinese)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

zu

(Zulu)

Speaking Ubuntu Channel

All of the above languages channel would be added in gaim's buddy list, under Local Language Channels.

Default Channels

Gaim's buddy-list will include a group called "Default", and will be based on the user's language and location. It will contain #ubuntu, #ubuntu-<locale>, and #ubuntu-<language name>

Design

Invocation and overall design

The software will be linked right into "System > Help > Live Chat Support" menu, and will have the stock people icon. It will have an intro screen, a freenode.org login screen, a register button. By registering to freenode.org, an information will be displayed about the advantages of registering their nick, and guides you to registration process. It automates the registration based on the information provided. It also includes nick availability option to check if the nick is available, or currently using it.

Registration System

By registering, the user will have alot of advantages, user will have a nick that he/she can use over and over again. People will also know the user by reputation, and how the user communicates to other user. Registered users can also send private messages to other registered users.

Basic and Personal Information

Basic information are the required information by Freenode. All personal information is handled by NickServ including optional informations.

Optional information are non required information by Freenode. Users can personalize them.

Basic Information

  • Nick/Username
  • Password
  • E-Mail Address

Optional Information

  • Website/URL
  • Phone Number
  • GSM/SMS Cellular Phone Number

Need to include http://

example: http://www.example.com

International Phone Format

  • +xxx-(yyy)-zzz-zzzz

Where:

  • xxx = Country Code
  • yyy = Area or City Code
  • zzz-zzzz = Local Number

example: +1-(800)-123-4567

International GSM/SMS Phone Number Format

  • +8812345678

Where:

  • 88 = Country Code
  • 12345678 = Cellphone number without leading 0

Desktop Integration

Nautilus integration and Evolution mail integration is enabled by default. This would be easy to send files to a user in IRC.

Profile Handling

Preferences and Buddy List will be saved for a particular Nick. Every nick will create a seperate profile for the current session. The seperate profile will be configurable and be used over and over again.

Screenshots

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-menu.0.3.14.png

The software aims to be launched via System > Help > Live Chat Support

Introduction Screen

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-intro-0.3.14.png

The intro screen will tell the users about the process, and provide a brief introduction about the software.

Login screen

The login screen will ask about their freenode.org username and password. However, if they are not yet registered, they will be prompted to click the "Register" button.

Registered user handling

Login screen have a disabled button if no password is given, this ensures logging of registered nick. However, non-registered user can still login, by clicking the "Use unregistered login" checkbox.

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-login-registered-0.3.14.png

It will also auto set the nick based on the user's account, for example, if Foo Roberts uses "fooroberts" as an account to login to his computer, then "fooroberts" will be set as a nick in Ubuntu Live Chat Support.

If he register the nick "xroberts" using the wizard, then "xroberts" would be automatically set in the login dialog. His new registered nick will be set everytime he uses Ubuntu Live Chat Support.

Non-Registered user handling

By clicking the "Use unregistered login" checkbox, a user's nick will have a "guest_" prefix. for example, foo would be guest_foo.

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-login-unregistered-0.3.14.png

When the user click the checkbox, the password field would be disabled, and the "Connect" button would be enabled.

Settings

Users can choose different layout by clicking the settings button.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support-0.3.14-7-settings.png

The "Default Layout" is the default gaim layout, where the channels is on top tab, and channel aliases is turned on.

The "Alternative Layout" is the xchat-alike layout, where the channels is on left tab, and channel aliases is turned off.

Registration

Intro screen about advantages on registering a nick.

The intro screen will tell the user about the advantages of registering their nick. The intro screen is targetted for Ubuntu users getting technical support in his/her computer in Freenode.

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-register-intro-0.3.14.png

Checking nick's availability.

In the first step of registration, a user can check the nick's availability by clicking the "Check Availability" button. The nick entered here will be used for the final step of registration.

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-register-check-0.3.14.png

Sending Registration

The nick that will be sent to freenode will be defined by the previous step. If a user's nick is taken, it will tell the user to choose another nick, and be able to check it's availability again, until a unavailable nick is found. This step will ask the user's basic information as well as the optional information. The password & confirm password should be identical to send the registration. A warning feedback will appear when the passwords are not identical.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support-0.3.14-7-register.png

Privacy

User can set their information private when they unclick the "Share my personal information to other users" checkbox.

Fail-Proof Registration System

When a failure occurs by either a system shutdown or when the user cancel's the registration process, the software will cleanup an incomplete registration in Freenode, and restarts the registration process again.

Logging your registered nick

Once the registration is successful, the user will be redirected to the login menu, and the user's chosen nick will be set in the username field. The user can now enter a password to connect to the ubuntu support channels.

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-register-login2-0.3.14.png

Buddy List and Chat Screen

New users, registered users and unregistered users will have 5 predefined groups in their gaim buddy list. These includes the localized ubuntu channels, the team support groups, support and help channels, and auto-join default channels.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support-0.3.14-7-buddylist.png

The user will be automatically join to a particular #ubuntu-<locale code> channel, the #ubuntu channel, and #ubuntu-<language name>

Old Screenshots

Old screenshots is available below.

See [:UbuntuLiveChatSupport/Versions/PreviousRelease: PreviousRelease]

Code

The code is written in GTK+ 2.0, C and perl, with sh scripts as scripting backend.

Patch

attachment:09_help_submenu.patch

This patch for gnome-panel will enable the System > Help > Live Chat Support organization.

Source Package

attachment:ubuntu-live-support-0.3.14-7.tar.gz

Add GUI improvements in registration. Change the buddylist group labels. Add a auto-join channel by user's language. Impliment registration privacy. Add settings to change different gaim layouts.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support-0.3.14-5.tar.gz

Improved release, alot of PID handling fixes, break everything into smaller pieces and make it more modular. And got new implimentations from the recent discussions with lilo, and agreed that a delay should be implimented. It now has a enforced registration delay by Freenode to avoid abuse of Freenode services. Another is, the change of gaim's interface to be xchat-alike.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support-0.3.14.tar.gz

Third release, version 0.3.14 contains alot of improvements over the older versions. It has, an automated registration system, better GUI improvements, and more...

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support-0.2.tar.gz

The second release, contains lot's of improvements, like seperate account by nick profile handling, localization. Pretty much works perfectly.

attachment:ubuntu-live-chat-support.tar.gz

This is the first release of the software, but it's quite stable.

Binary Package

attachment:ubuntu-live-support_0.3.14-7_i386.deb (stable)

  • Change the name "Auto-Join Default" to "Default"
  • Overhaul the Local Channel names
  • A new channel will be autojoined based on language.
  • Added the language to "Local Languages" group
  • Change the name of "Local Ubuntu Channels" to "Local Channels"
  • UI improvements, in Nick registration, add a "Passwords do not
    • match" warning.
  • Impliment a settings in login page to choose from 2 different
    • layout, the default top channels tab and alternative left channels tab. The static xchat-gnome look is removed.
  • Add a new checkbox for privacy, when registration.
  • Impliment registration privacy when the checkbox is toggled.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support_0.3.14-6_i386.deb (stable),

  • Impliment fail-proof registration, that autoclean incomplete and failed registration attempts due to system crash or when the user press cancel while registering.
  • Automatically set the nickname entry, to the registered nick.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support_0.3.14-5_i386.deb (stable),

  • Overhauled the Process ID handling, now it's killall free!
  • Change the desktop entry to Applications;GTK;Core;
  • Change the way parts of the software is called, now uses modular approach on all things.
  • Impliment xchat-style in gaim interface.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support_0.3.14-4_i386.deb, this solves the issues regarding nick registration. It now use a true nick checking capability, for online or offline nicks. Security imposed time by Freenode.net is added to nick registration to intimidate spammers and abusers.

  • Due to security imposed delays for freenode registration, because of abusive bots, delays are now used in nick registration.
  • Delay time can change dynamically, this release fixes by capturing the exact delay time and add 20 more seconds if the machine is busy and doing multitasking jobs. The constant 200 seconds is removed.

attachment:ubuntu-live-support_0.3.14-1_i386.deb

GNOME Panel Binary Package

attachment:gnome-panel_2.14.1-0ubuntu8_i386.deb

This is the prepatched version of the gnome-panel that enables the menu organization.

Installation

For compiling the source, you need build-essentials, gtk+2.0-dev, autotools-dev, perl, and perl standard modules.

For installing the binary, please see dpkg, apt informations for instructions on installing deb packages.


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Comments

odla: looks real nice. nice gnome integration and i like the use of gaim since it's a Ubuntu default. the auto-registration is real nice and will make it real easy for folks new to Ubuntu and irc to get on freenode and navigating around. i also like being dumped into a channel with folks from a similar geographic region.

glatzor: gaim seems to be quite uncomfortable for irc actions. I think that writing a small irc client around python-irc would be a cleaner solution.

GuillaumeDesmottes : Why not use xchat-gnome? He's very easy to use, have a clean interface and good GNOME integration. IMHO, gaim is really not a good tool for irc chat. I wrote a [http://bigon.be/cassidy/blog/index.php?2006/04/29/55-irc-chat-on-ubuntu-dapper post on my blog] about why xchat-gnome is a better choice than gaim IMHO.

I don't think #ubuntu-<country code> is the right way to go for localisation. For example, #ubuntu-be is not a support channel; support for Dutch, French & German speaking people in Belgium is in #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr & #ubuntu-de respectively, while the Belgian channel is for the coordination of Ubuntu-related activities in Belgium. --JanClaeys

The same goes for Switzerland. The support channels should be organized by language, not nationality nor location. --TormodVolden

JeromeGotangco: We don't have a graphical IRC client on the default install with the exception of GAIM, hence the specification. There is also irssi, but that is terminal-driven. +1 with JanClaeys on the country code issue. We could still consider the country code, but perhaps for locoteam concerns rather than support? Some of the codes are not even active, so might as well trim it, for exaple, -kr doesn't exist for korea - its actually -ko Smile :)

[:joelbryan: joelbryan:] I talked to [:DennisKaarsemaker: Seveas] regarding the channel localization. He made a very good progress with the problems about the local ubuntu channels in freenode. For example, -mx doesn't exist because someone register it, so people just join #ubuntumexico instead, Seveas reclaim -mx and advised them to use #ubuntu-mx officially for ubuntu mexico.

RicardoPérezLópez: The country code works well with Spain and its Spanish #ubuntu-es Smile :)

I think the best way to do l10n would be to have a gettext "translateable" string that contains one or more channels to show (e.g. CSV-formatted or something similar). That way local teams can decide for themselves how to organize their channels... --JanClaeys

RunarIngebrigtsen: This is excellent. What about the OEM situation? When we roll out desktops and sell support it'd be nice to auto-add our own (paid) support channels like IRC, Jabber and SIP for both Gaim and Ekiga. It seems to me this would be the right tool for such.

I made another app, and is available in [:UbuntuCommercialSupport: UbuntuCommercialSupport] for paid support in Canonical Ltd. For auto-add OEM local support, I would like to know the channels that has those services. - [:joelbryan: joelbryan]

I've never used xchat so I think gaim is more than enough to ask for help - maybe not for entering commands, but I don't think that's what the people who will use livesupport will want anyway. To sum up, I think gaim is a good option.

I think, however, that livesupport should be aware when a gaim session is already open and use it instead of opening a new one. And all the information -the account, the channel list- should be automatically added to gaim. I don't think it makes any sense to have 2 gaim sessions at the same time. Livesupport should also respect the window size and layout the user has chosen for his chat windows. If I like tabs under the window, why must I have them on the left?

Additionally, I've asked the people on the spanish channel for their opinion and some of them have told me that it's not a support channel and that they are concerned that people will enter the channel without even taking a look at the guide, expecting to get a satifactory answer as soon as they ask and some might even complain if they don't get it.

Therefore, I think some kind of disclaimer at the end of the registration dialog would be convenient. Something like, please understand that this is not a support channel. You're going to talk to users just like you who might or might not help you. If you have a general doubt please try a look at the desktop guide first (with an actual link to the guide) and if you don't find the information you need then come in and ask yous question clear and politely. Be welcome.

With a 5 or 10 second countdown so people have to read it. What do you think?

RobertStoffers - In accordance with Freenode policy Ubuntu "owns" the #ubuntu* namespace, so any channel registered by anyone else in this namespace can be transferred to the Ubuntu project on request (by [:DennisKaarsemaker: Seveas] or any other listed contact). Also, channel forwarding can be set up, so in the example -ko and -kr above, #ubuntu-kr can be forwarded to #ubuntu-ko or vice-versa. I'm rather intrested in this project, both as a Ubuntu member and a Freenode staff member, so please let me know if there is any thing you need in regards to Freenode and I'll be happy to help you out (my nick is "rob").

DaxSolomonUmaming - Progress? Will this be nominated for Gutsy? Maybe Hardy. Is there a blueprint for this? This is very useful for everyone, especially newbies.

[:joelbryan: Joel Bryan Juliano] - This project had been nominated eversince Dapper (by Mark himself), and it needs more love. I currently shift my focus on an school work, a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu called "AMA Desktop 2007" where I had put the idea of instant support in the desktop (since currently it doesnt have any documentations). The next step is to be less primitive and brutal, use more C/Python and less bash Smile :)