= Full Circle Meeting #9 Log = '''This is a log of Full Circle Meeting #9, held on Saturday 08th December 2007 at 17:00 UTC.''' [17:01] right, lets start... [17:02] Ok, lets... [17:02] first: just a note from Matt (podcast) who can't be here [17:03] Those who are on the Panel List must email me (podcast@fullcirclemagazine.org) to indicate if you are available. Please check the calendar for the time. Release date expected to be 14th of Dec. [17:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot [17:03] First topic? [17:03] panel list : http://url.fullcirclemagazine.org/7d4805 [17:04] #endmeeting [17:04] wait Ttech are you going to have ronnie be the chair [17:04] ronnietucker: run #startmeeting [17:04] :D [17:04] Ttech: catfacts: - i'm just going to copy/paste the log so SHH! [17:04] Ttech: run a #endmeeting [17:04] he already did [17:05] hmm odd it isnt in my log? [17:05] I think FCMBot can log [17:05] ok, point two from Matt: [17:05] or we can just C/P [17:05] Ttech try #mootbot-test to play around with it [17:05] Please add any *buntu related stories to the ideas tank as they will be reviewed there. [17:05] ok [17:05] I have something to add to that [17:05] ok, I have one [17:06] :O [17:06] Whoa who whoa [17:06] Where did you get that from [17:06] ideas tank : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/FullCirclePodcast/IdeasTank [17:06] Speaking of stories, the issues seem to only (or primarily) use only KBuntu. :( [17:06] * catfacts points to Ttech's big stick he keeps pokeing people with [17:06] lol [17:06] those can kill people you knwo [17:06] * Ttech hides... [17:07] Oops [17:07] ok, anybody want to comment on those two points from Matt? [17:07] *** ChanServ gives FCMBot the permission to talk. [17:07] Matt? [17:08] Podcast host... [17:08] Oh yeah, well I'd say we could use some more dev (idea tank) [17:09] no no, that's a separate topic, i'm just looking for comments on the two points i mentioned [17:09] I must be missing something [17:09] Sorry. [17:09] Ttech: you were probably too busy screwing around with MootBot when i dont need it! [17:09] * Ttech is sorry... [17:10] <_Nicola_> I don't think there's anything wrong with an episode to focus on stories from one *buntu over another, maybe for the first show, it would be nice to have a balance, though [17:10] Agreed... Balance is good. [17:10] _Nicola_: true, sometimes the mag has more Ubuntu than Kubuntu but that can change in later issues [17:11] ok, you're up next Ttech... [17:12] * catfacts pokes Ttech with a large stick, revenge [17:12] Yeah, sorry... [17:13] Ah, like I said before, catfacts and I could you a little more dev help. We are pretty good, but there is only two of us. [17:13] And the more heads the better [17:13] dont forget mrmonday [17:13] he said he was in [17:13] True, true. [17:13] <_Nicola_> what kind of help is needed? [17:14] Yeah, I almost forgot. So one or two more people who are good with PHP -> XML-RPC and writting (eventually) a app just for Magazine collab [17:14] so php mysql if you have really good css that wouldnt be bad [17:15] Yeah, CSS is something none of us really are good at [17:15] I can do some CSS [17:16] this is far out there [17:16] anyone know AJAX [17:16] <_Nicola_> I've programmed a few sites, but wouldn't call myself a css guru, i've never worked with php and mysql though [17:16] I can do REALLY basic AJAX [17:16] AJAX? Well, your hired. :P [17:16] <-- orangePnut has left this server ("Shutting Down/Disconnected"). [17:16] Except I can't right now :/ [17:16] I'm busy with other stuff lol [17:16] I don't know about Catfacts but JS is not my good point. [17:16] same here [17:16] I know, but we will need some help eventually. [17:17] I can't do much coding for you right now but I can give you some pointers [17:17] I'm ripping code form examples on the web, and it ain't pretty [17:17] i can do a simple redirect script and popup window but nothing really big [17:17] I'll put it this way, I do AJAX and I managed to kill Firefox [17:17] XD [17:18] http://mootools.net/ <-- good AJAX framework [17:18] _Nicola_ -> Well, any contribution is helpful. [17:18] Are meetings this ah, quiet. usually? [17:18] @linuxgeekery: I'm taking a look at that. [17:19] I'm going to have to do alot of reading. :) [17:19] hehhe [17:19] We still could use someone who is good at API's eg XML-RPC [17:19] does gCal have an API [17:19] Thanks... [17:20] No, to sync with Gcal you can only import to actually sync you ahve to use a service like schedualworld.com (thought I think I didn't spell it right) [17:20] scheduleworld [17:20] Actually, google calendar does have an API [17:20] http://code.google.com/apis/calendar/ [17:21] * Ttech slaps Ttech repeatedly. [17:21] lol [17:21] self harm is not the answer [17:21] Ok, I was wrong, though, as ronnietucker said orig, we wanted to move away form GApps. [17:22] hm i still say google calendar is pretty nice [17:22] Ttech: it'd be nice to have Google Calendar sync with the GroupWare calendar if it's possible... [17:23] Need more freedom, we have a XML-RPC interface for the Addressbook, Calendar and todo list, but not the wiki, so we need to write one, and figure out how do post something to the todo / calendar when a new post is added. (am I right ronnietucker?) [17:23] Alright. I'll see what I can do [17:24] So if we could put a little word out in the next issue / podcast asking someone to help out with API's naimly XML-RPC, we could make the eGW app more effective [17:24] in the end we plan on slowly moving from a hacked egw to a fully fcm app [17:24] but that is a long way off [17:24] Ttech: email some info to Matt and ask him to put out a 'developer appeal' :D [17:24] And as catfacts has mentioned, we will hopefully eventually roll out our own magazine-specific Collab app. [17:24] ronnietucker: Will do. [17:25] ooh [17:25] Ttech: thanks. Lets hope some dev's step up... [17:25] Turns out you can install a wiki plugin that installs XML-RPC capability [17:26] I'm packed this weekend, but in 3 weeks we should have the basic interface setup, although it would be better with the XML-RPC beacuse Common Writters would be ableo to use it to post to, eg, by using a blogging app like BloGTK [17:26] linuxgeekery: For eGW? [17:26] I was thinking of our current docs wiki [17:26] Ttech: http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/XMLRPC [17:26] I think I took a look at that. [17:26] I'm not sure if I liked it or not [17:26] and EGW has XMLRPC [17:27] Oh yeah, I don't think it owuld work. Because eGW has their own Wiki [17:27] yeah I read up on it. it only supports the to-do list, calendar, and address book. Don't ask me why [17:27] yeah, strange [17:28] Oh and we have the email it app, which I have partly done, but it WILL NOT be in version one [17:28] (too much hacking of the orig script) the script is complete with everything you want. [17:28] huh there is email validation in 1.0 [17:29] No, this is the email montiroing script. [17:29] linuxgeekery: Does your host allow you do run cronjobs? [17:29] yup [17:30] ssh in and crontab -e [17:30] lg: ok [17:30] linuxgeekery [17:30] Odd. [17:30] so we shouldn't ahve a problemt there [17:30] My last issue on the Agenda was solved thanks to linuxgeekery [17:30] yay :P [17:31] So we have our dev site (and I'm wokring on porting all our work there, well my wokr [17:31] heh [17:31] But I still have to create the accounts. [17:31] ronnietucker: We got anything else? [17:32] we'll open the meeting up for any other questions anyone might have? [17:33] I think the dev stuff put everyone to sleep... thanks Ttech! ;) [17:33] :D [17:33] Well, I said my only complaint in the beging. I saw this on the one that was about 7.10 (before it was out) you were showing mainly Kbuntu and only one pic of Ubutnu. If your talking about a new version, Banense? :) [17:33] ronnietucker: Sorry. :) [17:33] I can't help it. [17:34] anyone? Any questions or comments?? [17:34] As it is in Blazing Saddles "I like to keep my audience riveted..." [17:34] I said my comment. Other then that. Great magazine. Its grown, started at like 25 pages and is now right about 50 pages. :) [17:34] Good going. :) [17:35] Can't wait till we read 100. :) [17:35] But we need more writers [17:35] Oh, one other, and I write an how-to about apt [17:36] * Ttech thinks I should have put my tech stuff last. :P [17:37] * Ttech checks to see if everyone is still alive? [17:37] I think there should be more how-to's or introductions to the terminal command line functions. [17:38] the terminal, however scary, is one really nice thing to have [17:38] <_Nicola_> I'm working on a short article about a project I did with the command line, how it came in handy [17:39] ronnietucker: Agreed. Well with that said. I'm going to add a new subcategory for the Aritcle Submitter [17:40] sweet. [17:40] --> andrewmin has joined this channel (i=fishadmi@sparkletts.dreamhost.com). [17:40] :D Lol [17:40] Welcome andrewmin... [17:40] You have arrived just in time [17:40] <_Nicola_> there should be headings, though, grading the level of command line articles into things like, beginner concepts, and advanced concepts [17:41] andrewmin: you made it just in time to put in your 'apt' piece... :) [17:41] --> andrewminirc has joined this channel (i=fishadmi@sparkletts.dreamhost.com). [17:41] hi hows the meeting going? [17:41] or is it oover? [17:41] andrewminirc: you made it just in time to put in your 'apt' piece... :) [17:41] uh ttech ur forgetting an #endvote [17:41] yay! [17:41] still going. [17:41] We have poll on writing more command line how-to's [17:41] should i start now, or are we in teh middle of something? [17:41] fire away [17:41] ok [17:41] We are in the middle of the linux how-to's stuff. So feel free to go [17:42] well, as some ofyou know, ubuntu gutsy added a program named apturl [17:42] The poll is what I said above +1 vote or -1 don't like [17:42] apt-get? [17:42] #endvote [17:42] basically, taht lets firefoxuse apt:packagename to batch install a program [17:42] Ttech: the HowTo thing wasn't even up for a vote, it was a definite from the get go, it just needs a writer! [17:42] so apt:frozen-bubble would install frozen bubble [17:42] sorry, go on andrewminirc [17:42] :D LOL [17:42] now, it works also in kpdf [17:43] but idk about any other pdf readers [17:43] and also, feisty would not work [17:43] so should we use apt: links in the magazine? [17:43] and stop interrupting me ;-) [17:43] ok im done [17:43] :D [17:43] Ah, should we vote on tis one? [17:43] I don't know, I can bet we don't have all tech savvey readers [17:43] no voting as MootBot is a spammer [17:44] :( [17:44] Ttech: it's fairly straightforward. just double click on the link. [17:44] and it installs using apt-batch [17:44] or whatever its called [17:44] hmm your talking kde [17:44] for me it is [17:44] Oh, reallly? [17:44] sorry, i meant apt-get [17:44] MEETING NOTE: I'm removing the MootBot interruptions at the start and in the previous 'vote' [17:44] apt-get install frozen-bubble [17:44] it works in gnome, i tetsted it [17:45] yeah thats what i meant [17:45] hmm [17:45] oh [17:45] <_Nicola_> i dunno, installing is such a thorny issue, people will debate endlessly what the best way to do something is, is it a bad idea to have fcm "endorse" one method over another? [17:45] <-- Ttech has left this channel ("Leaving"). [17:45] <-- andrewmin has left this server ("FCM WebIRC (Ping timeout)"). [17:45] --> Ttech has joined this channel (n=Ttech@fullcirclemagazine/developer/ttech). [17:45] Doh! [17:45] Stupid [17:45] Comptuer [17:45] i just quit? [17:45] lol [17:45] Ah, Synaptic, or etc. [17:45] heres a sample pdf [17:46] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619393 [17:46] LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619393 [17:46] I'd vote for apt. [17:46] But we need ot make sure that if the user does not want to sue X method they can use another [17:46] what other methods are there besides apt? i mean, synaptic is just a frontend to apt. [17:46] remember guys: we can't explain every install method every time on every page so we need to keep it brief [17:46] Synaptic, Add/Remove programs [17:47] the apt links is a good idea but a lot of people are still in Feisty or not using Ubuntu [17:47] true [17:47] Alright. Se we do apt. But we need to make sure hte user knows that link does [17:47] in my case (top5) i was planning on providing instructions and a link [17:47] so if they dont have gutsy, they can still install the package using th einstructions [17:47] but that wont work for everyone [17:47] gusty? [17:47] i think it's probably best to just say 'install "blah"' and that way the person can choose which way they want to do it... ? [17:47] Apt-Works in 6.06 (I sued that before 6.10 [17:48] thats what iw as going to do, but i was also going to hypterlink blah [17:48] <_Nicola_> that's how we have it now, have there been any complaints? [17:48] Ttech: we mean the apturl (thats what i mean anyway) [17:48] I like that link idea [17:48] oh [17:48] this goes back to the one problem i have with linux [17:48] it splits so much [17:48] yeah link sounds good, just make sure the user knows what they a clicking is not iformation on hte ap [17:48] p [17:48] there are almost to many different flavors [17:48] yeah [17:49] catfacts: almost?! [17:49] just think ther is u/k/x/free/buntu [17:49] gOS [17:49] fedora [17:49] suse [17:49] I wonder if my firend is up. [17:49] dsl [17:49] Don't list em [17:49] <_Nicola_> aren't apt, apt-get, and aptitude all different programs? [17:49] I don't htink so [17:49] apt-get is a subprogram of apt [17:49] Well yes an no [17:49] aptitude is a frontend [17:49] to apt [17:49] they all use the same base [17:49] (apt) [17:49] as is Adept [17:49] and synaptic [17:49] listen to the smart guy (andrewminirc [17:49] lol [17:49] linux needs some constraint, people seem to think i want this feature, lets make our own distro, instead of liets make an app [17:50] lol pretty much [17:50] catfacts: Do I see another article comming? :) [17:50] <_Nicola_> exactly, an article explaining these things might be helpful, then a reference to the article [17:50] no rants allowed in fcm [17:50] so going back to the issue at hand... [17:50] I was Joking [17:50] any ideas? [17:50] catfacts: correct but opinions are... [17:51] how about if we phase it in? [17:51] --> jimhu has joined this channel (n=jimhu@218.1.162.227). [17:51] andrewminirc, we have some issue that we start it explain the new "feature" in the magazine, and let them [the readers] know how it works. and what to look for like a diff icon around the install link [17:51] Then we do it from them on [17:51] *then [17:51] hmm [17:51] Welcome jimhu... [17:51] put the apt links into your Top5 Andrew and see what kind of reaction it gets? [17:51] ok [17:51] that sounds good [17:51] top5? [17:51] are you going to mention it in the edtorial? [17:52] andrewminirc: i'll try and remember to :) [17:52] k [17:52] Do we have a "montly download" for linux [17:52] ? [17:52] Ttech: that's sorta what Top5 is [17:52] We need to let the users know some now [17:52] Ttech: kinda, yeah, in the Top5 [17:52] Oh, because I was going to do something like that [17:52] well, if that's the decision, i think i may need to leave [17:52] :D [17:52] cya! [17:52] Bye [17:52] thanks andrewminirc [17:53] ok, anyone else got any questions/comments?? [17:53] <_Nicola_> bye bye [17:53] No [17:53] hello [17:53] hi jimhu [17:53] _Nicola_, bye [17:53] hello jimhu [17:53] Ok, so we going ot wrap things up? [17:53] i have some translation issues [17:53] Hmm? [17:53] we could do a featured program [17:54] I'll do It~! I'll do it! [17:54] :D [17:54] but try to find things you wouldnt know about [17:54] err... [17:54] nah thats already in the Top5 piece [17:54] i've writen to Ronnie and told him that we are going to add some articles about Chinese Enviroment [17:54] go ahead jimhu [17:54] we should get software that is kinda rare but good, not like audacity of firefox [17:54] catfacts: Top5 [17:54] :D [17:54] sigh ok [17:55] --> celem has joined this channel (n=celem@72.242.91.58). [17:55] Welcome celem... [17:55] and do we have to translate it into English? since it is no use for english user [17:55] Ah, then why put it in the english version? [17:55] jimhu: if its for the Chinese market then there's no need to translate it to English [17:55] <-- celem has left this channel. [17:56] But it just adds to something we don't need if we are reading in english [17:56] thanks ronnie [17:56] ? [17:56] whoh [17:56] I scared everyone away. :p [17:56] if you hit ctrl+alt+shift+left/right it moves the window around the cube [17:56] I've been having htat problem [17:56] tyou didn't know that [17:57] <_Nicola_> exactly, maybe at the download page we could mention articles that are in other translations, so others know and can follow up if they care to [17:57] lol it is cool [17:57] <-- andrewminirc has left this server ("FCM WebIRC (Ping timeout)"). [17:57] :) [17:57] jimhu: as long as we have a promise that the additions are nothing offensive [17:58] (since, to be honest, I have no way of checking the non-English articles) [17:58] what about podcast? we want to translate it into Chinese too. Can you send me what has been said in the podcast in written forms? [17:59] :D [17:59] <_Nicola_> well, there would have to be a person to transcribe it [17:59] ttech, hey why dont i have an account on the dev.fcm site [17:59] because I forgot [17:59] dev channel [18:00] yea you dont anser me there [18:00] sigh, ronnietucker i would make an english trasncript if i had time :) but so far i dont [18:00] from chineese? [18:00] jimhu: i'll ask Matt if he could maybe draw up some rough notes on what is said... ? [18:01] Or I think thats wht it is [18:01] --> rrbiz has joined this channel (n=rr@ip68-228-44-25.tc.ph.cox.net). [18:01] jimhu: either that or use Matt's show-notes to create a Chinese podcast with similar content? [18:02] no we just plan to make a subtitle [18:02] <_Nicola_> maybe in the future we can start getting polyglots to do dubbing on the podcast, :) [18:02] Ah LG-> Catfacts needs SFTP access to the dev site [18:02] Welcome rrbiz... [18:03] thnx Ttech :) greetnz all [18:03] <_Nicola_> jimhu, does the subtitle have to be for translation into chinese, or is it as a guide of what the people are saying? [18:03] jimhu: its an audio only podcast [18:04] linuxgeekery catfacts needs SFTP access to the Dev site [18:04] jimhu: subtitles are usually text placed over a video [18:04] sorry, had to leave for a few minutes [18:04] it is much easy for us to translate if we have what Matt have said which is not just a guide [18:04] I'll set it up [18:04] thanks [18:05] thanks 2 [18:05] wait, the podcast is video [18:05] <_Nicola_> jimhu, I can work on a transcript of the podcast, but it may take a few days after the podcast airs to be complete [18:05] jimhu: I doubt Matt would want to transcribe the entire podcast word for word... :/ [18:06] <_Nicola_> but if it is too long, it may not be practical! [18:06] _Nicola_: I think it's going to be about 1hr and thats each fortnight [18:07] * Ttech is watching the chat go on from MootBot [18:07] _Nicola_: but if you want to transcribe it, it's up to you... :) [18:09] So we winding down? [18:09] jimhu: if nothing else i'll certainly ask Matt to email you his notes [18:09] Don't they have a script? [18:09] any last questions before we wrap up? [18:09] Ah, is everyone having a good day? :D [18:09] Ttech: they'll use some items to spark discussions [18:09] LOL [18:10] if someone here can help transcribe it, that'll be great. but it doesn't matter if no one here can help transcribe, we can do it ourself. [18:10] oooh [18:10] now I get it [18:10] Ttech: catfacts might have to use your sftp login [18:10] linuxgeekery but its a temp one anyway? [18:10] yeah [18:10] since the subdomain is hosted under your account, he can't access any of the files through his SFTP account [18:10] jimhu: ok, good luck with it! [18:10] And I don't have the pass anymore just hte username (autofill [18:10] thx [18:11] ok, lets call that a meeting then... [18:11] linuxgeekery? Why is that? Can't you share access? [18:11] all done.