2011June5

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What: Ubuntu Studio Team Meeting

When: Sunday, 2011-06-08 - 17:00 UTC
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Where: irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-meeting

Agenda for Meeting

If you wish to discuss anything not in this agenda, please wait until Any Other Business is called for.

  • Call Meeting to Order
  • Old Business
    • none
  • Oneiric Timeline (Scott)
    • Rough timeline can be found here

    • Please look over and make changes so we can firm it up
    • Do people want it in chronological order?
  • Website Update (Jorge/Scott)
    • When will we have "final" form to look at?
    • Where is it going to be hosted?
    • Define what content will/will not go onto website
    • Can we plan a date to go "live"?
  • XFCE/UI Changes (Cory)
    • Do we have a tentative date for new -settings/-look packages?
    • Do you need help or testing?
    • Is there a newer screenshot for the new UI prototype?
    • Should we provide a option that looks like old UI?
  • Menu changes (Scott)
    • Should we additional sub-menus for Audio Production? For example, for MIDI, synthesizers, or effects.
    • Anyone interested in organizing and effecting this? ScottL can provide technical assistance.
  • Documentation Updates (Ailo/Scott)
    • Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
    • The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
    • We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
    • Is anyone else interested in assisting?
    • ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
  • New Applications (Scott)
    • plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
    • ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
    • mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
  • Testing Procedures
    • Still need testing procedures developed
    • Is anyone interesting in organizing and effecting this?
  • Libre Graphics Magazine Ad (Scott)
    • We have an opportunity for a free, full page ad in Libre Graphics Magazine
    • Should we time this with Oneiric's release?
    • Should we form a small group to help with brainstorming ideas and creating the ad?
  • Advocacy ideas (Mike)
  • Team Reports (Scott)
    • We have a monthly team report that Canonical uses at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports

    • ScottL would really like it if someone else would volunteer to keep up with this
    • It is not hard and is a very easy way for someone to get involved and contribute to the team
  • Announcements (Scott)
  • Any Other Business (all/anyone)
  • Next Meeting Time/Location
  • Next Meeting Chair

Meeting Logs

13:00 < holstein> #startmeeting 13:00 < MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein. 13:00 < MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 13:00 < holstein> WELCOME ubuntu studio contributors team Smile :) 13:01 < holstein> [topic] agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:01 < MootBot> New Topic: agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:01 < holstein> lets get started 13:01 < holstein> who is here? 13:01 < holstein> o/ of course..., and? 13:02 -!- scott-upstairs [~scott@conr-adsl-dhcp-64-92-4-194.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:03 -!- falktx [~falktx@95.69.116.16] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:03 < scott-upstairs> i'm here for the meeting 13:03 < scott-upstairs> o/ 13:03 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i just dropped the link to the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:03 < holstein> and started roll-call 13:04 -!- astraljava [astraljava@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:04 < holstein> astraljava: hey 13:05 < holstein> im sure folks will sneak in 13:05 < holstein> and ckontros is here 13:05 < scott-upstairs> oi, here 13:05 < holstein> anyways... 13:05 < astraljava> holstein: Sorry for being distracted. 13:05 < holstein> [topic] old buisness 13:05 < MootBot> New Topic: old buisness 13:05 < holstein> i have "none" 13:05 < holstein> and i think that is accurate 13:06 < falktx> hey guys 13:06 < scott-upstairs> yes, i don't think we have anything carrying over this meeting 13:06 < holstein> just thought id pose that as we wait for folks to trickle in 13:06 < falktx> my first IRC meeting, please be gentle 13:06 < holstein> falktx: welcome Smile :) 13:06 < scott-upstairs> lol 13:06 < holstein> astraljava: no worries 13:07 < holstein> [topic] Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline 13:07 < MootBot> New Topic: Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline 13:07 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you added this 13:07 < holstein> i think its shaping up 13:07 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to discuss a bit? 13:07 < scott-upstairs> oi, yes...just a rough time line, please review it and the things your responsible for/helping with and adjust as needed 13:08 < scott-upstairs> at some point (very soon hopefully) this will be a little more fleshed out and we can start maintining a better schedule for this cycle 13:08 < scott-upstairs> we can use this to gauge our process and also as reminder of what we need to do and when we need to do it by 13:08 < holstein> [action] review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed 13:08 < MootBot> ACTION received: review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed 13:08 < scott-upstairs> furthermore it shows how other things are depending on the current task (if applicable) 13:09 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you mention putting it in chronologic order 13:09 < holstein> i say, if someone wants to do that, let them 13:09 < holstein> otherwise, its working for me as-is 13:10 < scott-upstairs> yes, i thought that putting it in chronological order would help understand how things should move forward 13:10 < scott-upstairs> but the colors would help people associated related items 13:10 -!- furn [~furntree@cpe-67-244-74-145.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:10 < holstein> scott-upstairs: it wont hurt, i could look into doing that 13:10 -!- _guitarman_ [~guitarman@mail.wootangent.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:10 < scott-upstairs> for example, the website tasks which would span many months but are defintely related 13:11 < scott-upstairs> holstein, but i wanted to make sure people had made their edits first 13:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically 13:11 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically 13:11 < scott-upstairs> i thought it would be easier to do that way...or at least less confusing 13:11 < holstein> eh, i dont mind looking at it later too 13:11 < holstein> if i need to re-do some things 13:11 < holstein> anyways, i'll either do that, or ask for help with it Smile :) 13:12 < holstein> scott-upstairs: anymore on that? 13:12 < scott-upstairs> not at this time, holstein 13:12 < holstein> [topic] Website Update 13:12 < MootBot> New Topic: Website Update 13:12 < holstein> i was hoping kokito would be here, but he said he couldnt be 13:12 < scott-upstairs> right, but i have some information...and not all is good 13:12 < holstein> anyways, scott-upstairs, do you have links handy you want to drop here? 13:12 < holstein> or news? 13:13 < scott-upstairs> jorge will cease working on the website effectively immediately because he is taking a new job that will move him to japan 13:13 < scott-upstairs> Sad :( 13:13 < scott-upstairs> the relatively good news is that what he has done is fairly mature and can be used 13:13 < scott-upstairs> but we will still need to do a few things however 13:14 < scott-upstairs> we need to discuss where we are going to host it 13:14 < scott-upstairs> firstly 13:14 < scott-upstairs> does anyone have any opinions on this matter? should we continue to squeek along with canonical hosting and limited access or should we push forward and host ourselves? 13:15 * scott-upstairs hears crickets chirping 13:15 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i think it depends 13:15 < furn> scott-upstairs: i think anything that helps the ease of use for the end user would be a good choice 13:15 < holstein> as of now,t he cannonical hosting is not working for us 13:16 < holstein> furn: hello 13:16 < scott-upstairs> right, i recently (two days ago) got access to our website sent to me so we are not relying on eric anymore for updates 13:16 < furn> holstein: afternoon kind sir 13:16 < holstein> scott-upstairs: im comfortable leaving that up to you 13:16 < scott-upstairs> however i would suspect getting other access would be as laborious and i can't do everything in this matter 13:16 < holstein> if you feel like thd current system can work now that you have access 13:16 < scott-upstairs> so i would push for hosting ourselves but i want to get input from others 13:16 < holstein> i mean, we can vote it out 13:17 < scott-upstairs> right, holstein, make an action item please about me researching what is available for hosting, i.e. price, bandwidth, storage, etc, etc 13:17 < holstein> [action] scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans 13:17 < MootBot> ACTION received: scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans 13:17 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Do we have any measurements, like how many are accessing our site daily? 13:18 < scott-upstairs> basically i feel that unless someone strenuously disagrees with us hosting our own i'll research it and put it to the group 13:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to leave it at that for now? and vote next time with mor information? 13:18 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Might help in deciding about the hosting. 13:18 < scott-upstairs> we still have to evaluate what the costs are and if we can do that 13:18 < furn> scott-upstairs: i think hosting ourself at any capacity at this point is a good option 13:18 < scott-upstairs> aye, but would everyone agree with putting up five quid to help Wink ;) 13:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: thats the issue 13:19 < holstein> we need to have all the information, and go from there i say 13:19 < holstein> lets table it til we get some #'s 13:19 < holstein> let me/us know if we can help gather information 13:19 < scott-upstairs> i can ask jorge via email too about hosting, he seemed to indicate that it shouldn't be that big of a deal 13:19 < furn> could we setup a donation system on the site as a non profit? 13:20 < scott-upstairs> i think cory mentioned away to get some funds as well, perhaps from canonical? i'll ask cory as well 13:20 < scott-upstairs> we could do that furn 13:20 < holstein> [action] vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted 13:20 < MootBot> ACTION received: vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted 13:20 < holstein> im going to skip the XFCE topic in hopes that ckontros makes it back 13:21 -!- mammig [~mammig@ARennes-556-1-97-249.w109-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:21 < furn> i think at this point with so many indie devs having paypal donation buttons, the act of politely suggesting the point of donation isnt quite as audacious as it once was for free media 13:21 < holstein> [topic] Menu changes 13:21 < MootBot> New Topic: Menu changes 13:21 < holstein> furn: not to cut you off 13:21 < scott-upstairs> holstein, i can answer some xfce changes but i agree let's wait and see if cory comes back, if not we can go with what i know 13:22 * scott-upstairs is looking for screen shots 13:22 < holstein> scott-upstairs: personally, i like the generic menu items 13:22 < holstein> for example, when i need to burn an iso in brasero, that has nothing to do with the menu its located in 13:22 < scott-upstairs> other distros (many ubuntu studio derivatives) use additioanl submenus for audio applications 13:23 < holstein> i think some of that might happen with putting apps like qtractor in a MIDI tab 13:23 < scott-upstairs> example screenshot: http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/images/stories/tangostudio-karmasutra.png 13:23 < holstein> i mean, qtractor is *not* the go-to daw, but if you want to record audio with it 13:23 < holstein> and its in the MIDI menu... 13:23 < scott-upstairs> right, but synthesisers could safely be put into a synth submenu 13:23 < holstein> BUT, the scrolling for apps in the giant menu is a mess* 13:23 < scott-upstairs> the same for effects 13:24 < holstein> scott-upstairs: agreed 13:24 < scott-upstairs> the current menu IS better because we cut some 13:24 < scott-upstairs> my feeling is to leave it as is because it's a lot of manual coding to "fix" it 13:24 < holstein> well, thats my other argument too 13:24 < scott-upstairs> if other's feel that this is a benefit then i would be happy to make the changes 13:24 < holstein> its more work than i feel like we need to take on right now 13:24 < scott-upstairs> IF, and only IF... 13:24 < furn> holstein: i think everyone can nit pick about a menu item that isnt properly placed, but considering out somewhat savvy user base having something like qtractor under midi isnt too big 13:24 < scott-upstairs> someone can clearly identify what they want 13:25 < holstein> BUT, something we should keep on the table for the future for sure 13:25 < holstein> i propose we vote to put this off til the next cycle* 13:25 < scott-upstairs> i have it in the "release planning" wiki so it's not going away forever 13:25 < scott-upstairs> seconded 13:25 < holstein> cool 13:26 < scott-upstairs> obvisouly there isn't enough support for it :P 13:26 * ckontros is "here" but not here. Im just looking in when I break from cutting my grass. Wink ;) 13:26 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, you want to talk about xfce? 13:26 < holstein> this is how you vote +1 / -1 / +0 13:26 < ckontros> Sure. 13:26 < holstein> ckontros: yeah, hang for a sec 13:26 < holstein> and you're next 13:26 < scott-upstairs> holstein, i'm not sure we need to vote 13:26 < holstein> [vote] hold menu re-vamp til next cycle 13:26 < MootBot> Please vote on: hold menu re-vamp til next cycle. 13:26 < MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot 13:26 < MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting 13:26 < scott-upstairs> only two voiced opinions and we both said nay 13:26 < holstein> +1 13:26 < MootBot> +1 received from holstein. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 13:27 < scott-upstairs> +1 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from scott-upstairs. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 13:27 < holstein> well, its official Smile :) 13:27 * falktx people type too fast... 13:27 < furn> hehe 13:27 < astraljava> +1 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from astraljava. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 13:27 < falktx> can I show a quick screen shot ? 13:27 < falktx> it's about this 13:27 < christof> +1 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from christof. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 13:27 < holstein> falktx: sure 13:27 < holstein> christof: hello 13:27 < holstein> i think thats the majority 13:28 < holstein> [endvote] 13:28 < christof> hi all 13:28 < MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 13:28 < scott-upstairs> can ckontros go? 13:28 < holstein> [action] postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04) 13:28 < ckontros> Sure 13:28 < MootBot> ACTION received: postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04) 13:28 * scott-upstairs is anxious to get him while he's here 13:28 < ckontros> But wait. 13:28 < holstein> [topic] XFCE/UI Changes 13:28 < MootBot> New Topic: XFCE/UI Changes 13:29 < falktx> basically I already have the code for this (more submenus) 13:29 < ckontros> IDK We have to become more familuar with how XFCE does menus. 13:29 < holstein> falktx: yeah, hold that til the end if you dont mind* 13:29 < ckontros> Im unsure if we can apply the same work we did in GNOME ot XFCE. 13:29 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg 13:29 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg 13:29 < falktx> holstein: k, sorry 13:29 < holstein> falktx: no worries Smile :) 13:30 < ckontros> falktx: But your install is all or nothing correct? 13:30 < holstein> ckontros: i would imagine its quite different 13:30 < scott-upstairs> mmm, falktx that is a good looking screenshot 13:30 < ckontros> Sorry to back-track but I gotta chime in. 13:31 < falktx> ckontros: nope, let me get you a quick deb 13:31 < falktx> here: 13:31 < falktx> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-menu_3.0%7Egit20110527-0%7Enatty1_all.deb 13:32 < falktx> the deb is the stuff for this menu 13:32 < ckontros> falktx: So your saying your work applies to any menuing system? 13:32 < falktx> ckontros: yes, I made it work under gnome, kde and xcfe at least 13:32 < scott-upstairs> i think that xfce follows the freesektop.org guidelines better than other DE's 13:32 < holstein> agreed* 13:32 < ckontros> Ok. We'll look into this. Move along. Smile :) 13:32 < falktx> scott-upstairs: kde does so, it's just gnome that is the weird thing, like they were the bosses... 13:33 < holstein> yeahm, we can always put it back on the table* 13:33 < holstein> anytime really, if we find that its something easy that we can handle 13:33 < falktx> sure, I usually around if anyone wants to know more stuff about it 13:33 < scott-upstairs> i still say that just because we can do this (adjust menu structure) that we shouldn't unless there is a demand 13:33 < ckontros> We might be able to do it this cycle 13:33 < scott-upstairs> and i don't think that the demand is really there apparently 13:34 < scott-upstairs> let' 13:34 < holstein> well, its postponed as it stands 13:34 < falktx> scott-upstairs: the menu gets pretty big and it's a pain to use... 13:34 < ckontros> scott-upsrairs: I say that we at least copy our current functionality. Unless *-menu was removed last cycle. 13:34 < ckontros> ie: With the A/V submenus. 13:35 < scott-upstairs> defintely copy our current functionality for now 13:35 < scott-upstairs> let's get some of the larger issues under our belt and then see about the restructuring 13:35 -!- Epirotes [~Epirotes@unaffiliated/epirotes] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 13:35 < ckontros> +1 13:35 < scott-upstairs> we still ahve to migrate to xfce 13:35 < scott-upstairs> THAT will probably be a bigger challenge than any realizes still 13:35 < falktx> does the US theme works on xcfe? 13:36 < ckontros> falktx: Generally, yes. I have to make a XFWM theme. And thats in progress. 13:37 < ckontros> Feel free to move to next item. 13:37 < scott-upstairs> hmmm, no ailo 13:37 < scott-upstairs> holstein, can ckontros do his bit? 13:37 < holstein> yeah, thats up 13:37 < ckontros> Wait, wait. Im not presenting. 13:37 < ckontros> I had no plans to anyway. 13:38 -!- bartje_ [510bba89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.186.137] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:38 < holstein> ckontros: you want to just give an update? 13:38 < holstein> or drop some links? 13:38 < scott-upstairs> can you update about the xfce stuff and you mentioned banging heads together about a few things 13:38 < ckontros> Ill happily answer any questions. Smile :) 13:38 < holstein> OK, that works 13:38 < holstein> any questions? 13:38 < holstein> Do we have a tentative date for new -settings/-look packages? 13:38 < ckontros> I mean things are gonna move better now that my uploading is sorted. 13:39 < scott-upstairs> yay Smile :) 13:39 < ckontros> Im gonna shoot for 1 week for settings. 13:39 < holstein> Do you need help or testing? 13:39 < scott-upstairs> i guess we need to update the -desktop package first 13:39 < ckontros> -Look will be what it is untill I get some of the art folks settled. 13:39 < scott-upstairs> then -settings and -look ? 13:39 < ckontros> So -settings will have to hit then the seed changes. 13:40 < scott-upstairs> setting first? i would have thought we needed to update -desktop first 13:40 < scott-upstairs> wans't that what we were looking at earlier on pastebin? 13:40 < ckontros> No. Because -desktop is made from the seeds but will dep on *-settings. 13:40 < ckontros> IIRC 13:41 < scott-upstairs> this "chicken and/or egg" thing gets confusing sometimes :/ 13:41 < ckontros> Wink ;) 13:41 < holstein> ckontros: you need help/testing ? 13:41 < scott-upstairs> so hopefully before Alpha2 we should have something to test? 13:41 < ckontros> So we can get things ready in the seeds and -settings but they should push to the srchine @ the same time. 13:42 < ckontros> *Hopefully* But Im thinking things will be rocky for a month or so. 13:42 < scott-upstairs> i imagine we will need to make adjustments (possibly many as bugs are found) to the seeds and -settings 13:42 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, so the plan is replicate our current functionality as far as UI right? 13:42 < ckontros> Side note to all this, we can test upgrade paths but my official stance is new installs. 13:42 < scott-upstairs> after we get things stable, then we shoot for a new UI? 13:43 < ckontros> Correct 13:43 < scott-upstairs> cool to both Smile :) 13:43 < holstein> ckontros: Is there a newer screenshot for the new UI prototype? 13:43 < ckontros> holstein: No. 13:43 < holstein> the other question from the agenda is Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? 13:43 < holstein> i say, if its not dirt-simple, no 13:43 < ckontros> I'll upgrade the wiki with new info soon but its slow going at this point. 13:43 < holstein> i dont think its going to be a giant departure in look/feel 13:44 < ckontros> +1 (to no that is) 13:44 < scott-upstairs> maybe someone can hack something in a ppa to help users BUT 13:44 < scott-upstairs> if we move to a new UI it should be default and we should push that 13:44 < holstein> yeah, something unoffical is welcome for sure 13:44 < ckontros> Well, it kinda will. Just AWN at the bottom as opposed the the panel across the top. But all functionality is replicated. 13:44 < holstein> [action] Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially 13:44 < MootBot> ACTION received: Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially 13:45 < falktx> I have to pop up again here, as I am developing a replacement for *-controls 13:45 < holstein> ckontros: cool, thanks Smile :) 13:45 < ckontros> np 13:45 < falktx> it is meant for kxstudio mainly, but I'm working to get it nicely goind with others distros too 13:45 < holstein> [topic] Documentation Updates 13:45 < MootBot> New Topic: Documentation Updates 13:45 < scott-upstairs> holstein, can we break and address falktx 's comment first? 13:45 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to comment? ask for help officially? 13:46 < holstein> scott-upstairs: sure 13:46 < falktx> can I continue? 13:46 < scott-upstairs> falktx, what does the -controls update do? what functionality? 13:46 < scott-upstairs> sure falktx Smile :) you da man! 13:46 < falktx> for now the controls don't do much, as everything is already working in kxstudio Wink ;) 13:46 * scott-upstairs has a strat and isn't afraid to play it Wink ;) 13:47 < falktx> but it checks for the kernel version and user/audio thing now 13:47 < scott-upstairs> faltx one thing we have tried to do with updating -controls is to author the app with the perspective of someone "updating" from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu studio 13:47 < falktx> the more important thing about this app it's that it contain other cool sub-apps 13:47 < scott-upstairs> so this would include checking if user is in audio group currently 13:47 < falktx> a jack-patchbay, a-la patchage 13:47 < ckontros> falktx: How about we team up and refine -controls rather then have parallel efforts? 13:48 < falktx> ckontros: we have different targets 13:48 < ckontros> Like? 13:48 < falktx> ckontros: for example, It also works as a plugin host 13:48 < scott-upstairs> oi, it controls jackd, can start applciations 13:48 < falktx> it manages WineASIO too 13:48 < falktx> screenshots coming 13:48 < scott-upstairs> you can install plugins (or at least assign where to look for them) 13:48 < falktx> this is the main app: 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg 13:49 < falktx> these are the 3 main tabs of it 13:49 < falktx> the first manages system stuff (jack, alsa bridge, a2j and pulse2jack too) 13:49 < ckontros> falktx: Well you mentioned "replacing" *-controls. SO if we have different targets, why replace? 13:50 < falktx> ckontros: cause I want to incorporate all *-controls functionality inside 13:50 < falktx> ckontros: once ready, I want to push it to debian too 13:50 < ckontros> Forgive me, Im just trying to understand how the targets are different. 13:50 < scott-upstairs> falktx, does it adjust jackd settings; rtprio, etc 13:50 -!- chilicuil [~chilicuil@unaffiliated/chilicuil] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:51 < falktx> scott-upstairs: it works with jackdbus right now. but I want to make it work with jackd too, soon 13:51 < falktx> ckontros: well, someone once told me that having WineASIO option in a US official tool was a bad tihng 13:52 < falktx> *thing 13:52 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, i think it is currently intended to target the kxstudio audience where many things we worry about are already configure by installation 13:52 < falktx> and that the "Audio Plugins PATH" management is also not very linux friendly 13:52 < scott-upstairs> and they target different applications, including vst, wineasio, and applications that falktx has written 13:52 < ckontros> falktx: Having the option for us would be no different than Debian. We just cant include the other packages by default. 13:52 < scott-upstairs> good work by the way 13:53 < falktx> thanks 13:53 < falktx> ckontros: I know, any non-working option can be hidden if needed 13:53 < falktx> for example, WineASIO stuff is auto-hidden if WineASIO is not installed 13:53 < holstein> maybe falktx and ckontros can discuss and report next meeting? 13:54 < holstein> sounds like something we could potentially take advantage of* 13:54 < scott-upstairs> +1 or until after we get a working install with xfce ? 13:54 < falktx> ckontros: I also target jack2 and ladish in partical (more focus to it), which I don't think US is ready for now 13:54 < ckontros> Sure. So, is this a situation where you just wanna do what you do and not work directly with us on our -controls app? I can get that. I just wanna be clear. 13:54 < holstein> [action] falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report 13:54 < MootBot> ACTION received: falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report 13:55 < falktx> ckontros: I can focus on the *-controls stuff if needed. but it's my own app, please understand 13:55 < falktx> I've been working on it since the last 4 months or more... 13:55 < holstein> as far as documentation updates, let me just action-item these entries 13:56 < holstein> [action] Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement 13:56 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement 13:56 -!- jjohansen [~jj@static-50-53-37-130.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:56 < scott-upstairs> i was hoping ailo would be here for the documentation part but i have a structure for the help.ubuntu.com section 13:56 < holstein> [action] Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation 13:56 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation 13:56 < ckontros> Ill let the meeting move on. And really, this isnt my call anyway as my involvement is for UI stuff and this cycle only. Wink ;) 13:57 -!- apachelogger is now known as kernellogger 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting? 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting? 13:57 -!- sysdoc [~sysdoc@pool-71-105-36-163.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:57 < scott-upstairs> here is the proposed structure, please ignore/forgive the link top: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com 13:58 -!- steveire_ [~quassel@kde/skelly] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:58 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i say, shout out when you need help, and feel free to assign me to said tasks 13:58 -!- vanhoof [vanhoof@canonical/vanhoof] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:58 -!- steveire [~quassel@kde/skelly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59 < scott-upstairs> right, i'll confer with ailo later about this, but unless someone strenuously objects AND wants to put forth an alternative, i'm going forward soon 13:59 < holstein> [topic] New Applications 13:59 < MootBot> New Topic: New Applications 13:59 < scott-upstairs> the basic goal would to be to make this more untutivie and user friendly 13:59 < scott-upstairs> ^ documentation 13:59 < holstein> yeah, im plowing on 13:59 < holstein> Smile :) 14:00 < holstein> [action] plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins 14:00 < MootBot> ACTION received: plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins 14:00 < scott-upstairs> there are several new apps i would like to include and they support things 14:00 < scott-upstairs> oh, you posted it 14:00 < scott-upstairs> is that really an action? 14:00 < holstein> [action] ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools 14:00 < MootBot> ACTION received: ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools 14:00 < falktx> is ladish on 11.10 now ? 14:00 < scott-upstairs> i would like for us to move to ladish as well unless someone objects 14:00 < holstein> depends on if they are being added i suppose 14:00 < scott-upstairs> yes falktx 14:00 < falktx> cool 14:00 < scott-upstairs> they are in debian and ubuntu now 14:00 < holstein> more of a highlight than an action 14:01 < falktx> I have one thing that might interest you all right now 14:01 < holstein> [action] mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric 14:01 < MootBot> ACTION received: mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric 14:01 < scott-upstairs> functionality is still sketchy from my experience but i expect it to get better Wink ;) 14:01 < scott-upstairs> what is that falktx ? 14:01 < falktx> take a look please - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr005.jpeg 14:01 * scott-upstairs will talk about mudita in a minute 14:01 < scott-upstairs> can you explain the functionality falktx ? 14:02 < falktx> sure 14:02 < falktx> it checks for the current installed packages (not binaries), and displays them 14:02 < falktx> the list is hardcoded 14:02 < scott-upstairs> it seems that it duplicates some of the functionality of ladish however 14:02 < falktx> ^ because of this, we can know where docs are installed 14:02 < falktx> this way we can select an app and click "documentation" 14:03 < falktx> we can always create like "US-docs" package and point to it too 14:03 < falktx> this app also helps ladish, by providing pre-setup templates for many apps 14:03 < falktx> (anyone here knows about ladish internals?) 14:03 < scott-upstairs> falktx, i know some, can we discuss this together after the meeting? 14:04 < falktx> scott-upstairs: sure 14:04 < falktx> this can help the menu situation of menus too 14:04 < scott-upstairs> thanks, i fear other's eyes will glaze over otherwise and we're behind on the meeting 14:04 < falktx> instead of putting into the menu, let the app look for it and display it 14:04 < falktx> oh, sorry 14:04 < holstein> ok, moving on 14:04 < holstein> ? 14:04 < scott-upstairs> mudita24 is the next version of envy24control which is for ice1712 chips (i.e. maudio delta series) 14:05 < scott-upstairs> i'm hoping it goes into debian soon and then i'll file to sync with ubuntu if it isn't in time for debianimport 14:05 < scott-upstairs> okay, done 14:05 < holstein> [topic] Testing Procedures 14:05 < MootBot> New Topic: Testing Procedures 14:05 -!- acerimmer [4086883e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.134.136.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:05 < holstein> i dont think we have anything official to test 14:05 < holstein> so i say we hold that til next time 14:06 * falktx looks in debian git 14:06 < falktx> not there 14:06 < scott-upstairs> right but it would be nice to have someone who will oversee testing 14:06 < holstein> i was going to ask ailo :/ 14:06 < scott-upstairs> falktx, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/ladish 14:06 < holstein> he's really methodical about the tests we have done so far 14:06 < scott-upstairs> but he's really only been testing the kernel 14:06 < scott-upstairs> i really wanted someone to oversee all of it 14:07 < holstein> right, i was going to ask though Smile :) 14:07 < scott-upstairs> remind people to test when builds come out 14:07 < scott-upstairs> develop testing procedures 14:07 < scott-upstairs> etc 14:07 < holstein> yeah, we need that* 14:07 -!- leoquant [~leoquant@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.leoquant] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:07 < holstein> hmmm... 14:07 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, you interested perhaps in helping with this? 14:07 < holstein> astraljava: ? 14:07 < holstein> hehe 14:07 -!- leoquant [~leoquant@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.leoquant] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 14:07 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Sure, why not. I'm not really a tester per se, but that's something I can do for contributing. 14:07 < scott-upstairs> *anything* is better than what we have currently 14:08 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, you can also look into the xubuntu testing process, they ahve some good stuff 14:08 < holstein> astraljava: cool 14:08 < scott-upstairs> i'll find the link for you later 14:08 < astraljava> Okay, that works for me. 14:08 < holstein> [action] astraljava to head up testing 14:08 < MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to head up testing 14:08 < holstein> OK, moving on? 14:08 < scott-upstairs> sure 14:08 < holstein> [topic] Libre Graphics Magazine Ad 14:08 < MootBot> New Topic: Libre Graphics Magazine Ad 14:09 < holstein> scott-upstairs: this sounds really cool 14:09 < scott-upstairs> we have graciously been afforded a free full page ad in libre graphics magazine 14:09 < scott-upstairs> i would like to captilize on this ad for the changes in oneiric 14:09 < scott-upstairs> we have several months till then 14:09 < holstein> is there a way to make it generic? 14:10 < scott-upstairs> is anyone interesting in hellping with brainstorming, developing idea, and effecting the ad 14:10 < holstein> o/ 14:10 < scott-upstairs> holstein, do you think it should be more generic? 14:10 * holstein shrugs 14:10 < holstein> doesnt have to be 14:10 < scott-upstairs> my original thoughts were to celebrate our changes/improvements 14:10 < holstein> yeah, i can get on board with that 14:10 < scott-upstairs> to sell them as "better", which i think they are 14:10 -!- lostnbronx [~lostnbron@74-37-171-107.br1.sho.az.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:11 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:11 < scott-upstairs> right, we can push this for further meetings and try to drum up support and develop things 14:11 < astraljava> I'm not into marketing and stuff, but I can help with technicals if needed. 14:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to get libre ad timetable information 14:11 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to get libre ad timetable information 14:12 < holstein> [action] astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:12 < MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:12 < holstein> cool... moving on 14:12 < holstein> [topic] Advocacy ideas 14:12 < MootBot> New Topic: Advocacy ideas 14:12 < holstein> [action] start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < MootBot> ACTION received: start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < holstein> [action] holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < scott-upstairs> holstein, did you get that fedora marketing link? 14:13 < holstein> i want to have something folks can easlily link to to show folks 'the buzz' 14:13 < holstein> scott-upstairs: im not sure... would you link it again? 14:14 < holstein> so it gets counted 14:14 < holstein> i want a place where folks can add their personal blogs such as http://dullass.blogspot.com/ 14:14 < scott-upstairs> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:14 < holstein> i think the xubuntu team has a lot going on in this department, and im looking forward to emulating 14:14 -!- Destine [~destine@ubuntu/member/Destine] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15 < holstein> [action] for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:15 < MootBot> ACTION received: for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:15 < holstein> not sure why that link didnt get counted* 14:15 < holstein> anyways.. moving on 14:16 < holstein> [topic] team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:16 < MootBot> New Topic: team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:16 < scott-upstairs> here is the link for team reports: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:16 < scott-upstairs> it's not hard to do and this would be a great way for some newer person to help the team 14:16 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i can help with this too i think 14:16 < scott-upstairs> is anyone interested? 14:16 < scott-upstairs> holstein, that would be outstanding my friend! 14:16 < holstein> i used to do it a bit for our loco 14:17 < holstein> [action] holstein to help with team reports 14:17 < scott-upstairs> cool Smile :) 14:17 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help with team reports 14:17 < holstein> [topic] announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule 14:17 < MootBot> New Topic: announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule 14:17 < holstein> * LightDM will replace GDM in Oneiric Ocelot 14:18 < scott-upstairs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule is the new schedule for oneiric proper 14:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: anything else in announcements? 14:18 < scott-upstairs> and as holstein mentioned lightDM will be replacing GDM 14:18 < scott-upstairs> this will mean some significant changes and will require hacking and testing 14:18 < scott-upstairs> that's it for me 14:18 < holstein> [topic] Any Other Business - OPEN 14:18 < MootBot> New Topic: Any Other Business - OPEN 14:18 < astraljava> Which means we should have it in for alpha2, no? 14:19 < scott-upstairs> okay, gotta run, kids are getting nuts downstairs and i need to help :/ 14:19 < holstein> astraljava: i would think 14:19 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, it will be ready to test after we update the seeds/-settings package 14:19 < holstein> we'll keep an eye on the updates as they come in though 14:19 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Gotcha. 14:19 < holstein> anyone else?? 14:19 < scott-upstairs> by the way, i'll post minutes on this later this week 14:19 < holstein> questions, comments? 14:19 < astraljava> On other business, I intend to look into tasks. 14:19 < astraljava> ubuntustudio-desktop doesn't work for natty, nor oneiric. 14:20 < astraljava> Not sure about earlier than that. 14:20 < holstein> astraljava: i didnt try them actually 14:20 < holstein> if you want, i'll help track that down sometime 14:20 < astraljava> holstein: I'm afraid no one did. 14:21 < holstein> if its an issue of testing, and looking at a log, i can do that 14:21 < holstein> last time i tried was 10.04 14:21 < holstein> anyways... onward and upward i say 14:21 < holstein> astraljava: lets try and make sure we look at that in 11.10 Smile :) 14:22 < holstein> anyways... if thats all.. 14:23 < holstein> [topic] next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted 14:23 < MootBot> New Topic: next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted 14:23 < holstein> [topic] next meeting chair 14:23 < MootBot> New Topic: next meeting chair 14:23 < holstein> i dont mind to do it again, assuming im free* 14:23 < holstein> anyone else interested? 14:24 < holstein> [action] holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted 14:24 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted 14:24 < holstein> #endmeeting 14:24 < MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26.

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13:00 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with MootBot 13:00 <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein. 13:01 <MootBot> New Topic: agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:05 <MootBot> New Topic: old buisness 13:07 <MootBot> New Topic: Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline 13:08 <MootBot> ACTION received: review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed 13:11 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically 13:12 <MootBot> New Topic: Website Update 13:17 <MootBot> ACTION received: scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans 13:20 <MootBot> ACTION received: vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted 13:21 <MootBot> New Topic: Menu changes 13:26 <MootBot> Please vote on: hold menu re-vamp til next cycle. 13:28 <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 13:28 <MootBot> ACTION received: postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04) 13:28 <MootBot> New Topic: XFCE/UI Changes 13:29 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg 13:44 <MootBot> ACTION received: Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially 13:45 <MootBot> New Topic: Documentation Updates 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg 13:54 <MootBot> ACTION received: falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report 13:56 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement 13:56 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting? 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com 13:59 <MootBot> New Topic: New Applications 14:00 <MootBot> ACTION received: plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins 14:00 <MootBot> ACTION received: ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools 14:01 <MootBot> ACTION received: mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric 14:05 <MootBot> New Topic: Testing Procedures 14:08 <MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to head up testing 14:08 <MootBot> New Topic: Libre Graphics Magazine Ad 14:11 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:11 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to get libre ad timetable information 14:12 <MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:12 <MootBot> New Topic: Advocacy ideas 14:13 <MootBot> ACTION received: start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:15 <MootBot> ACTION received: for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:16 <MootBot> New Topic: team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:17 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help with team reports 14:17 <MootBot> New Topic: announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule 14:18 <MootBot> New Topic: Any Other Business - OPEN 14:23 <MootBot> New Topic: next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted 14:23 <MootBot> New Topic: next meeting chair 14:24 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted 14:24 <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26. 14:24 <MootBot> Logs available at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/