1 15:07:36 <Hellow>       # Cheesy meeting beginning:
   2 15:07:38 <Hellow>       #BEGIN MEETING
   3 15:07:58 <Hellow>       Alright, thank you that are attending for attending this meeting :)
   4 15:08:02 *      zvacet (n=ivica_ko@78.1.24.51) has joined #ubuntuforums-unanswered
   5 15:08:09 <Hellow>       Our meeting agenda can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnansweredPostsTeam/Meetings
   6 15:08:33 <Hellow>       Our first order of business is: Future of the team
   7 15:08:52 <Hellow>       I have been needing to discuss this with the active portion of the team for a long time.
   8 15:09:11 <Hellow>       There has been talks about merging with the BT, but that never happened (primarily because the team was split even half)
   9 15:09:33 <Hellow>       So, I would like to ask: Where do *you* want to see the team going?
  10 15:09:43 <komputes>     a while back bodhi came in talking about merging with BT, i see no problem with that.
  11 15:10:03 <Hellow>       komputes: Yes, he was the primary person behind that :P
  12 15:10:58 <Hellow>       I personally think we should stay separate: Both teams cover different areas, although we do overlap different times.
  13 15:11:16 <talsemgeest>  Hellow: Completely agree with you there
  14 15:11:53 <Hellow>       Anyone want to add their input to that?
  15 15:11:56 <starcraftman> Well I was liking idea of merging with bt, would make organizing easier and getting new members (since we'd be an fg, and bt is much larger). Probably reduce management on ya Hellow, as well since part of a larger group.
  16 15:12:03 <komputes>     the way I see it, we deal with what BT can't/doesn't answer, there's nothing stoping us from commenting on newer posts as well
  17 15:12:30 <starcraftman> Maybe I'm a bit biased, I am a bt member :/
  18 15:12:39 <Hellow>       starcraftman: You forget, so am I :P.
  19 15:12:53 <starcraftman> lol, this is so. Can be biased other way I suppse.
  20 15:13:13 <drubin>       personally I don't think this team is as active any more as it used to be...
  21 15:13:23 <drubin>       but that doesn't stop it from becoming active
  22 15:13:24 <drubin>       :
  23 15:13:26 <drubin>       :)
  24 15:13:47 <drubin>       but I have been very inactive over the last few weeks so not sure that is a valid point
  25 15:13:56 <komputes>     I agree with drubin, as well BT seems to have better structure
  26 15:14:10 <starcraftman> IMO, if we merge into bt, then tracker can be used by many more people quickly and bottom line is getting people good quality information who had 0 posts. Also, there's a lot of knolwedgeable poeple on BT smarter than me. I can admit that.
  27 15:14:11 <drubin>       BT has had a stable leader.
  28 15:14:13 <talsemgeest>  drubin: TBH since I became a member I have never seen the team as ver active. I seem to remember one of the first things bodhi said was to come to the BT channel, because this one is normally dead'
  29 15:14:22 <drubin>       with aj busy with uni stuff.. it has been hard
  30 15:14:26 <Hellow>       drubin: And the UA has a *new* leader :P
  31 15:14:50 <drubin>       i know that
  32 15:15:15 <Hellow>       talsemgeest: And i'm working to fix/change that :).
  33 15:15:37 <talsemgeest>  Hellow: Yup, and I am very happy about that :)
  34 15:15:39 <Hellow>       Although it's been hard with me sick for 4 days and PT being gone doing... i've forgotten.
  35 15:16:14 <starcraftman> I was kinda imaging some easy way to register already long standing bt members with UA tracker. Maybe wishful thinking, anyway, thats my paragraph of text worth of idea.
  36 15:16:14 <komputes>     Hellow: do you have access/willingness to improve the ua.codechunk.net tracker?
  37 15:16:38 <Hellow>       komputes: No, either ajmorris or jacob handles that.
  38 15:16:46 <Hellow>       komputes: Although I do have *willingness*
  39 15:17:05 <Hellow>       Anyway, if no one has anything more to add to our current topic, lets move on.
  40 15:17:30 <komputes>     I've always seen the tracket as having potential, but it was never useful as it stands.
  41 15:17:32 <starcraftman> Nobody replies to starcraftman's paragraphs.
  42 15:17:35 <starcraftman> humph!
  43 15:17:48 <Hellow>       Next topic: Activity within Ubuntu
  44 15:18:09 <Hellow>       Our team does have a place within the Ubuntu community, a very big one too.
  45 15:18:20 <Hellow>       One that is much more general than the BT's (lol)
  46 15:18:39 <talsemgeest>  Hellow: I both agree and disagree with that one
  47 15:18:42 <Hellow>       Answering unanswered posts helps hold members to the Ubuntu community
  48 15:18:52 *      starcraftman goes gets drink of water.
  49 15:19:06 <Hellow>       And it helps them feel welcomed with us :)
  50 15:19:33 <komputes>     Mostly helps them feel that the problem they face is not being ignored
  51 15:19:40 <talsemgeest>  I believe it has a smaller part than the BT because it is basically just the forums, whereas the BT has grown outside of the forums
  52 15:19:58 <talsemgeest>  However, I agree our breadth of knowledge is greater than the BTs
  53 15:20:12 <komputes>     talsemgeest: to answers.launchpad.net or mailing list or both?
  54 15:20:37 <Hellow>       That was what I was about to talk about.
  55 15:20:52 <Hellow>       I think we should expand outside of the forums, to encompass what komputes said :)
  56 15:21:06 <talsemgeest>  komputes: Good point, but it is still a narrow approach. However, I think it is that narrow approach we need to succede
  57 15:21:25 <Hellow>       We can nearly double our effectiveness within the community by expanding to Launchpad answers.
  58 15:21:36 <komputes>     talsemgeest: can you explain how BT has expanded ouside of ubuntuforums.org?
  59 15:21:42 <talsemgeest>  Hellow: Very much agreed
  60 15:22:30 <talsemgeest>  komputes: Namely the FGs, in programming, in Wikis/documentation, support, and general beginner education
  61 15:22:43 <Hellow>       If people post their problem to Launchpad Answers and get no reply, they get the same feeling as they would on the forums: That nobody cares about their problem.
  62 15:23:00 <komputes>     Hellow: that happens very often
  63 15:23:42 <Hellow>       Then we should focus upon both expanding our involvement in the forums and our involvement on Launchpad Answers.
  64 15:24:15 <Hellow>       Does anyone have anything to add before I move on?
  65 15:24:45 <starcraftman> Ummm, shouldn't we have more members before expanding. Just a thought.
  66 15:24:53 <Hellow>       That's a part of expanding :)
  67 15:25:51 <Hellow>       Anyone else have anything to add/ask?
  68 15:26:27 <Hellow>       Alrighty
  69 15:26:36 <Hellow>       Next Topic: Team Communication
  70 15:26:52 <Hellow>       This involves both communication within the team and outside the team, with other teams in the community.
  71 15:27:13 <Hellow>       A lack of communication is what is possibly causing this team to not be as active as it could be.
  72 15:27:34 <Hellow>       Not everyone is subscribed to the mailing list, and not everyone comes into IRC.
  73 15:27:51 <Hellow>       I think that we should all follow and encourage those two with other members.
  74 15:28:59 <Hellow>       Anything to add anyone?
  75 15:29:06 <Hellow>       *crickets*
  76 15:29:10 <Hellow>       :P
  77 15:29:27 <starcraftman> Nope, sounds fine. I usually am around if people need to talk to me though, at least once a day.
  78 15:30:11 <talsemgeest>  All sounds good to me :)
  79 15:30:16 <Hellow>       Later on I think we should have an "official correspondent" for other teams if one of the three leaders are not around at the time.
  80 15:30:38 <Hellow>       But, that isnt really for a team in this state. Yet. :P
  81 15:30:50 <Hellow>       Anything else to add?
  82 15:31:10 <Hellow>       If not, then I will move on to the fun part of this meeting: New Member Elections
  83 15:31:41 <Hellow>       Alrighty
  84 15:31:47 <Hellow>       First up is starcraftman
  85 15:31:58 <talsemgeest>  Yay :)
  86 15:31:58 <Hellow>       starcraftman, you have the spotlight if you would wish to say anything :)
  87 15:32:29 <starcraftman> Uh, well, my wiki listing my work over the while > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/
  88 15:33:13 <Hellow>       Anyone wish to say anything about that?
  89 15:33:15 <starcraftman> Been doing a lot of doc work lately for backup, almost done I suppose, will be getting back into more regular posting on forums.
  90 15:33:58 <starcraftman> Done over 2700 posts on forums, answered a lot of 0s. Not one for big speaches.
  91 15:34:14 <Hellow>       You sound like the type of person we need :)
  92 15:34:45 <Hellow>       Anything else?
  93 15:35:40 <starcraftman> Not really. Most stuff about me on my wiki page for folks to read.
  94 15:35:48 <Hellow>       Alrighty, time for the Officially Unprofessional Voting.
  95 15:35:56 <Hellow>       (I need to get some form of bot in here for this)
  96 15:36:17 <Hellow>       All members have the right to vote, Yay or Nay, all mutes will be counted as abstained :)
  97 15:36:48 <talsemgeest>  A big +1 for starcraftman
  98 15:36:51 <Hellow>       talsemgeest, Rocket2DMn, komputes, drubin
  99 15:37:08 <Rocket2DMn>   what?
 100 15:37:12 <Hellow>       And, since I am the nominator, +1.
 101 15:37:28 <Hellow>       Rocket2DMn: Look up :P
 102 15:37:35 <Rocket2DMn>   I am, what is the question for vote?
 103 15:37:39 <talsemgeest>  Rocket2DMn: Voting for starcraftman's membership
 104 15:37:39 <drubin>       +1
 105 15:37:44 <Hellow>       Rocket2DMn: Membership of starcraftman.
 106 15:37:53 <Rocket2DMn>   oh, --1
 107 15:38:01 *      tuxxy has quit ("ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net")
 108 15:38:06 <Rocket2DMn>   for the mathematically challenged, that's a +1
 109 15:38:12 <Hellow>       Ha :P
 110 15:38:26 <Hellow>       Alrighty, no negative votes, looks like you are in starcraftman :)
 111 15:38:58 <Hellow>       starcraftman: If you wish, apply for membership on the forums team, and i'll get you added to the LP team later on tonight.
 112 15:39:03 <komputes>     +1 sorry for lateness
 113 15:39:15 <Hellow>       starcraftman: I'll fix your channel flags later tonight too.
 114 15:39:33 <starcraftman> Hurah. Sure thing.
 115 15:39:50 <Hellow>       starcraftman: Once I get you fixed up on LP, please subscribe to the mailing list to stay in the know with things :)
 116 15:40:03 <starcraftman> my lp account is starcraft.man, course that was kinda easy to know.
 117 15:40:09 <Hellow>       zvacet: Are you here?
 118 15:40:15 <zvacet>       yes
 119 15:40:30 <Hellow>       Alright, next up for membership is zvacet :)
 120 15:40:42 <Hellow>       Do you have anything to say before we vote?
 121 15:42:03 <Hellow>       Also, we are getting slammed with rain, so do not worry if I suddenly disconnect for some reason.
 122 15:42:13 <zvacet>       not much I like to answer questions to get some info and that new members of forum don�t feel ignored
 123 15:42:27 <Hellow>       Also sounds like the type of person we need :)
 124 15:42:36 <Hellow>       Anyone have anything to add?
 125 15:43:01 <zvacet>       of course as far my limited knowledge goes
 126 15:43:35 <Hellow>       Alrighty, voting time.
 127 15:43:47 <drubin>       +0
 128 15:43:48 <Hellow>       Same rules as above, Yay or Nay, all mute are counted as abstained.
 129 15:43:59 <drubin>       I don't think I know zvacet  enough to comment either way
 130 15:44:01 <Hellow>       (Abstain is a option too)
 131 15:44:01 <talsemgeest>  hmmm
 132 15:44:22 <Hellow>       I +1 him.
 133 15:44:32 <talsemgeest>  From what you have said zvacet I think I will have to say...
 134 15:44:35 <talsemgeest>  +1
 135 15:44:53 <drubin>       and with that I need to get going...
 136 15:45:03 <talsemgeest>  And I need to sleep
 137 15:45:09 <Hellow>       drubin: Later dude, thank you for attending :)
 138 15:45:11 <Hellow>       talsemgeest: You too :)
 139 15:45:25 <talsemgeest>  Cheers Hellow :)
 140 15:45:27 *      talsemgeest out
 141 15:45:38 <Hellow>       komputes: Want to vote?
 142 15:45:45 *      talsemgeest has quit ("Leaving")
 143 15:46:19 <Hellow>       Alrighty, vote timeout :)
 144 15:46:33 <Hellow>       Two +1s and one abstain, I say you are in zvacet :)
 145 15:46:44 <zvacet>       tnx
 146 15:46:44 <Hellow>       zvacet: I'll get you set up on Launchpad sometime tonight.
 147 15:46:58 <zvacet>       ok
 148 15:47:28 <Hellow>       zvacet: I need you to register your nick with the server services, you can read up how to here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
 149 15:47:42 <Hellow>       (IRC nick)
 150 15:48:33 <zvacet>       I think I did that already  but ok
 151 15:48:33 <Hellow>       zvacet: I also recommend, but do not require, that you make a wiki page. You can use mine as a template if you need: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Collin15
 152 15:48:34 <Snova>        He is registered, though he hasn't identified to it in months
 153 15:48:38 <Hellow>       Hmm
 154 15:48:41 <Hellow>       Well, identify :P
 155 15:49:52 <Hellow>       And unless anyone has anything to add to the meeting, I will conclude it :)
 156 15:50:02 <zvacet>       wait I have this irc nick for long time what is wromg with it
 157 15:50:19 <komputes>     zvacet: is this you lp page? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ikoli
 158 15:50:20 <Hellow>       zvacet: You need to identify to NickServ with the password you registered with.
 159 15:50:31 <Hellow>       zvacet: /msg nickserv help identify
 160 15:51:01 <Hellow>       And with that, I will conclude the meeting :)
 161 15:51:05 <Hellow>       # Cheesy ending
 162 15:51:09 <Hellow>       # CONCLUDE MEETING