#title User Days Team Meeting 19 January, 2010 0200 UTC == Agenda == I. Setup a survey for feedback from UUD 0123 (survey monkey??) --[[cjohnston]] I. Will there be helpers in -chat? I. Should we try for another UUD, if so when? I. Add a 15 minute wrap up at the end to thank everyone for their participation, special thanks to instructors, and ask to fill out survey? -- [[cjohnston]] I. FirasKraiem dropped.. trying to find replacement..(jamalta) [[cjohnston]] I. Nagendra??? duane?? [[cjohnston]] == Minutes == I. Setup a survey for feedback from UUD 0123 (survey monkey??) --[[cjohnston]] * cjohnston will setup survey * asked for input on questions I. Will there be helpers in -chat? * no specific helpers, hosts will move questions from -chat to -classroom... I. Should we try for another UUD, if so when? * tabled until after first UUD I. Add a 15 minute wrap up at the end to thank everyone for their participation, special thanks to instructors, and ask to fill out survey? -- [[cjohnston]] * host will give out survey link when introducing instructor * Put the survey URL in /topic I. FirasKraiem dropped.. trying to find replacement..(jamalta) [[cjohnston]] I. Nagendra??? duane?? [[cjohnston]] * Pendulum sent an email to Nagendra and shrini giving them until 2200 EST on the 20th to respond or they will be dropped.. duanedesign is backup for Nagendra's class Other notes: * -classroom will be +m, hosts and instructor will be voiced... * Pendulum is sending an email tomorrow and Friday to remind people, plus ask them to be 15 minutes early to their class, and join #ubuntu-learning at that time so that a host can speak with them == Log == {{{#!IRC 21:01:20 #startmeeting 21:01:23 not that it helps 21:01:23 lol 21:01:40 Agenda: 21:01:42 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01192010 21:02:23 Setup a survey for feedback from UUD 0123 (survey monkey??) --cjohnston 21:02:37 anyone wanna set up a survey for us? 21:02:52 is survey monkey a site or one of us? :) 21:03:01 site 21:03:19 hehe, ok 21:03:39 http://www.surveymonkey.com/ 21:04:09 i think i wrote down like two questions... but we need more than that of course 21:05:24 check... ill setup a survey.. if you come up with any questions please email them to me! 21:05:45 <_marx_> cjohnston: send link to the survey please 21:06:01 now or when i make it? 21:06:04 :-P 21:06:11 ok :) 21:06:43 Will there be helpers in -chat? 21:06:46 I think that was marks 21:06:59 oops, sorry, lost track of time, i'm here now ;) 21:07:03 What do we define "helpers" as? 21:07:05 o/ 21:07:20 Not sure... _marx_ ? 21:07:22 <_marx_> so any helpers in -chat 21:08:03 * komputes has quit ("I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.") 21:08:10 <_marx_> cool, i can look at both at the same time 21:08:19 _marx_: im kinda curious about Hellow's question too 21:08:34 im sure quite a few of us will be in both 21:08:41 ill probably have 2 clients running 21:08:51 I'll be in -classroom and -chat for most of the day. 21:08:56 and lernid to learn about learning with lernid 21:09:06 <_marx_> Hellow: can you repeat your question 21:09:13 helpers mostly tell people to quit talking in -classroom, and how to ask questions properly 21:09:20 and keep -chat from being too off-subject if they get chatty 21:09:21 What do we define "helpers" as? 21:09:46 <_marx_> Hellow: question forwarders in -chat for one 21:09:59 question forwarders will be one of the hosts 21:09:59 also might change the topic in the channels for each session, post QUESTIONS to the person giving the course if they request it 21:10:23 pleia2: is it possible to make -classroom voice only can talk during the day? 21:10:41 yeah, it's possible 21:10:44 <_marx_> pleia2: yes channel topic needs to be changed each hour 21:10:50 That should be done; questions and the like get asked in -chat, forwarded to -classroom. 21:11:06 who has access to /topic ? just pleia2 ? 21:11:14 cjohnston: anyone with an ubuntu member cloak 21:11:18 or +o 21:11:19 oh really 21:11:20 hmm 21:11:21 lol 21:11:22 heh 21:11:25 which I can give to anyone 21:11:29 ic 21:11:54 can i make the request that -classroom be voice only to speak... hosts get voice and the instructor? 21:12:04 I think that's a good idea 21:12:19 +m would be a good idea 21:12:22 what is the difference you're seeing between "hosts" and "helpers"? 21:12:31 in the past we never really had a distinction 21:12:43 Are there going to be any "defined" helpers? 21:12:48 hosts == https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-user-days 21:12:57 i dont think we need defined helpers 21:13:01 imo 21:13:05 i dunno tho 21:13:05 yeah, maybe I don't know what a helper is then :) 21:13:37 <_marx_> play it by ear, fly by the seat of your pants then? 21:13:51 ? 21:13:53 I don't think we need "helpers" (as anything separate from "hosts") 21:14:00 +1 pleia2 21:14:03 oops.. 21:14:06 Pendulum: I tend to agree, unless I'm missing something :) 21:14:09 +1 Pendulum 21:14:14 ok cool 21:14:19 What do we define "hosts" as? People who are/will be hosting a session? 21:14:37 Hellow: hosts: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-user-days 21:14:53 basically _marx_ pleia2 Pendulum myself 21:14:57 Ah. 21:15:23 anyone else can help "control" -chat.... 21:15:24 Sorry if I'm asking less-than-intelligent questions right now, my mind's a little foggy :P. 21:15:33 * Hellow volunteers himself for that 21:15:33 but noone specifically designated 21:15:35 np Hellow 21:15:38 for UOW jorge, akgraner and I pretty much just snagged each other as needed, "hey I am going to lunch, can you make sure the next session goes ok?" etc 21:15:52 thats kinda what i figured 21:15:54 <_marx_> hosts, guests or attendees, and helpers 21:16:18 <_marx_> same here 21:16:22 yeah 21:16:33 I don't think we need an official "helper" title... 21:16:41 * _marx_ nods 21:16:50 Helper title: Anyone on the access list :P. 21:16:59 lol 21:17:01 # Should we try for another UUD, if so when? 21:17:17 motion to table this item until after the first user day 21:17:22 yes, but I need a vacation first :) 21:17:25 +1 21:17:34 oh im having something 21:17:38 it wont be a vacation.. 21:17:39 +1 21:17:48 it will probably be 1 beer before i have to go back to studying 21:17:52 hehe 21:17:54 but itll be my one beer 21:18:04 <_marx_> cjohnston: me scared too, i've never done an online class 21:18:34 <_marx_> quarterly or on release cycle? 21:19:01 _marx_: I think we are gonna wait to see the feedback from this first one before we decide that 21:19:01 <_marx_> or decide after event polling? 21:19:01 I think see how this one goes, see what feedback we get, and then worry about the next one 21:19:37 <_marx_> I agree, I also think quarterly could be do able 21:20:01 Add a 15 minute wrap up at the end to thank everyone for their participation, special thanks to instructors, and ask to fill out survey? -- cjohnston 21:20:12 not that anyone would stay for this.. 21:20:27 or do we want to try to get each instructor to give out the survey link after their course 21:20:31 <_marx_> well still you have to put it in there 21:20:36 how do we wanna get the survey word out 21:21:00 I think we can give a link to the survey when we introduce each instructor 21:21:04 no need to ask them to do it 21:21:11 ok... 21:21:13 works for me 21:21:18 * itnet7 (n=itnet7@ubuntu/member/itnet7) has joined #ubuntu-learning 21:21:29 get out of here itnet7 :-P 21:21:30 lol 21:21:37 <_marx_> pleia2: that needs to be set up before the 23rd 21:21:49 _marx_: the survey? 21:21:53 <_marx_> yes 21:22:00 _marx_: im gonna work on setting up the survey in the next couple days 21:22:12 <_marx_> so posting the link can happen in session 21:22:17 yup 21:22:26 yeah 21:22:50 <_marx_> hum surveys for each session? 21:22:56 no 21:22:58 one survey 21:23:19 but announced each session as people aren't necessarily going to stay for every session 21:23:20 but to get the most feedback it needs to be anounced often as not everyone will be there all day 21:23:32 cjohnston: when did you become my brain twin? 21:23:40 hehe 21:23:44 when i lost mine 21:23:46 :-P 21:23:51 jk Pendulum 21:24:00 <_marx_> +1 each session 21:24:07 <_marx_> geez... 21:24:13 what itnet7 said 21:24:15 <_marx_> y'all are scary 21:24:16 speak up! 21:24:18 we cant hear you 21:24:30 put the url in the topic/motd 21:24:34 of each class 21:24:37 survey url 21:24:39 ^^ 21:24:41 ty 21:24:42 I like that idea 21:24:54 +1 21:24:56 Problem is, not everyone reads the channel topic. Especially not newbies to IRC. 21:25:08 no, but in topic and announcing it 21:25:09 Hellow: if we do both.. we will get I hope everyone 21:25:16 cjohnston, Both would be good. 21:25:21 Pendulum: your scaring me 21:25:22 <_marx_> might as well although i find long topic messages...I don't read them 21:25:30 cjohnston, Identical twins. 21:25:33 * Hellow ducks 21:25:42 i dont think so 21:25:49 if only for one reason... 21:25:53 oh, dear God no... no cjohnston twins *shudders* 21:25:58 lmao 21:26:02 hah 21:26:17 itnet7: dan drove from gainsville.... :-P 21:26:19 heh 21:26:38 cjohnston: I know, I know 21:26:48 with his baby 21:26:53 im messin with you 21:27:18 <_marx_> agenda 21:27:18 you wish i had a twin in our loco 21:27:22 FirasKraiem dropped.. trying to find replacement..(jamalta) cjohnston 21:27:24 <_marx_> item missed? 21:27:26 whats an agenda 21:27:33 whats missed? 21:27:45 <_marx_> replacement for 21:27:53 we hadnt gotten there yet 21:28:02 <_marx_> ok 21:28:04 What is this thing you call an agen-da, hu-man? 21:28:13 jamalta didnt join in.. but some others from the florida loco did.. 21:28:25 Firas /msg'ed me yesteday.. his gfx card fried 21:28:35 sad 21:28:35 cjohnston, You live in the state directly below mine :P. 21:28:50 Jamalta from the FL LoCo (the best LoCo in the world) stepped up to take his place 21:28:50 In physical orientation, that is. 21:29:01 so your a northerner? 21:29:12 cjohnston: technically we are "all" one LoCo 21:29:19 If you consider Georgia to be "northerner", yes :P. 21:29:22 err 21:29:26 <_marx_> i think he's in georga 21:29:27 its north of florida 21:29:27 Georgia to be a northern state :P. 21:29:30 * jamalta (n=jamalta@209.20.66.76) has joined #ubuntu-learning 21:29:34 there he is 21:29:34 lol 21:29:38 * nigel_nb (n=nigel_nb@122.172.146.96) has joined #ubuntu-learning 21:29:41 > what? hi 21:29:49 i didn't knwo there was a metting of sorts 21:29:52 hey jamalta 21:29:55 and nigel_nb ! 21:29:55 nigel_nb, What is this I don't even. 21:29:56 cjohnston: hey 21:30:03 so what happened? 21:30:11 absolutly nothing 21:30:13 jamalta, Someone set us up the bomb. 21:30:13 and no one told me there was a meeting 21:30:16 [/meme] 21:30:19 there isnt 21:30:24 Hellow: agh! 21:30:27 now i have that song stuck in my ehad 21:30:29 no better eyt 21:30:31 i'm goign to play it 21:30:31 hah 21:30:36 I think we've gotten side tracked 21:30:40 * jamalta hates teh eeepc keyboard and apologizes for the frequent typos 21:30:45 Pendulum: seems like so 21:30:48 Hi, to everyone, btw 21:30:50 I don't know most of you :) 21:30:54 Pendulum, I think we've been sidetracked for most of the meeting :P. 21:30:57 user days meeting? 21:30:58 yeah, my attention is split so if we could get back on track it would be helpful :) 21:30:58 cjohnston: so we theoretically have someone covering? 21:30:59 I could have scratched #V off.. but i just wanted to mention that he stepped up at the lsat minute.. which brings me to: 21:31:09 Pendulum: jamalta is covering Firas spot 21:31:15 awesome :) 21:31:17 Nagendra??? duane?? cjohnston 21:31:18 thank you jamalta :) 21:31:22 here is my issue 21:31:27 Pendulum: my pleasure 21:31:27 :) 21:31:33 hmm. should i put my name on the wiki? 21:31:35 i havent heard from nagendra in... 21:31:37 for that slot? 21:31:38 a long time 21:31:40 jamalta: i will 21:31:45 its on my list 21:31:46 even if Nagendra shows up, having the extra course written will help UCLP 21:31:52 cjohnston: oh ok, thanks 21:32:04 he has me extremely nervous right now... 21:32:17 so i have secured duanedesign to write a course for that topic... 21:32:32 and I believe he did confirm that he could teach it also.. 21:32:46 my brain is fried tho... 21:32:51 so i dont remember that part 21:33:09 but if the course is written, i can teach it.. i just dont have time to write it 21:33:11 cjohnston: I wasn't clear on whether he could or not. Although I suspect if he writes it, one of us can teach as needed 21:33:22 *nods* 21:33:37 cjohnston, once the course is written, anyone can teach it. that's the hard part 21:33:46 ya 21:33:57 I am also re-emailing nagendra to see if we can get any sort of response from him 21:34:02 k 21:34:09 and nigel_nb you emailed him also? 21:34:17 <_marx_> partitioning might be the hardest part of course one to cover 21:34:32 not yet! but if Pendulum is, then do you want me to? 21:34:53 cjohnston: i'll have the writeup tomorrow night hopefully 21:34:57 <_marx_> nigel_nb: did you see my shared opening .odt files? 21:34:58 i'll see if ic an do it tomorrow durin glunch 21:35:06 I want (need) someone else to make a decision... when do we need to hear from him by? 21:35:12 before we bump him out 21:35:22 cjohnston, Tomorrow would probably be the wisest. 21:35:25 i have my opinion.. but im not gonna say it 21:35:27 put it in the mail 21:35:28 nigel_nb: do you actually know him? 21:35:31 <_marx_> Hellow: +1 21:35:36 Pendulum: no :-( 21:35:41 tomorrow what time? 21:35:46 Pendulum, nope, just responded to my invitation from the mailing list 21:35:46 pleia2: ^ 21:35:48 cjohnston, Evening EST tomorrow. 21:35:53 cjohnston, 24 hours from when he gets the mail 21:35:58 nigel_nb, Or that. 21:36:08 <_marx_> nigel_nb: +1 21:36:12 * Vantrax has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:36:16 nigel_nb: so he's in India? (I'm trying to guage what time zone he's in) 21:36:21 ok... can someone send an email in the next 24 minutes? 21:36:29 that way I can say 2200 EST tomororw? 21:36:31 I've got one 1/2 written now 21:36:35 Pendulum, yeah (but not necessarily) 21:36:35 ok 21:36:36 cool 21:36:50 Pendulum, just make sure you give reasons why this kind of confirmation is necessary 21:37:10 either way... thanks to duanedesign for stepping up (and everyone else who has offered to help write this course) 21:37:11 i.e. we need confirmation for all classes and time to think of backup 21:37:28 yep, that's in there :) 21:38:00 * _marx_ has carpenter work tomorrow am w/linux access on jobsite, home after that 21:38:23 _marx_, not yet. I was away from fast internet 21:38:26 I'll check it out today 21:38:30 anyone know shrini? 21:38:36 I'm giving time in UTC, btw 21:38:41 * mhall119 (n=mhall119@pool-173-65-27-166.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #ubuntu-learning 21:38:48 thats fine Pendulum 21:38:49 and now is a good time to let me know who else should get similar e-mails :) 21:39:05 lol, copy to the 3 of you guys 21:39:19 cjohnston, who else left to confirm? 21:39:26 i havent gotten info from everyone else Pendulum... but shrini is the only one who makes me nervous other than that.. 21:39:34 but everyone else i talk to enough to be ok 21:39:37 *nods* 21:39:37 <_marx_> nigel_nb: sorry for your xp and dialup vacation, er holiday 21:39:56 hehe 21:39:59 Pendulum: i sent you the link for the intro page right? 21:40:15 umm... you did, but I was on my phone at the time so don't have it handy now 21:40:19 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/01232010/intro 21:40:27 ta :) 21:40:35 and the people who are linked on the schedule are the ones who have put up an outline 21:40:41 right 21:40:46 is it just me or is there a table problem 21:41:01 ok 21:41:02 maybe just me 21:41:10 for the e-mail to nagendra, btw, I'm asking that he e-mail check in with Chris or myself directly 21:41:19 ty 21:41:22 Pendulum, just reply to the mail 21:41:34 Pendulum, make sure cjohnston and pleia2 have copies so one of you will know 21:41:54 table problem? 21:41:55 im at work tomorrow too 21:42:01 pleia2: n 21:42:02 nm 21:42:08 !fail on my part 21:42:19 * Hellow now has peppermint tea 21:42:20 while we're on introductions 21:42:21 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Introduction 21:42:30 i need to look at that more 21:42:34 finished this weekend, anyone want to have a stab at fixing it up? 21:42:35 i glanced over it.. 21:42:41 but its lookin good 21:42:59 it's probably fine the way it is, but I wanted anyone else's ideas to be tossed in if they have any 21:43:13 do we need more to make it an hourish? 21:43:39 pleia2: did you confirm that we will do +m? 21:43:39 * Vantrax (n=Vantrax@ubuntu/member/vantrax) has joined #ubuntu-learning 21:43:42 no, as it is I'm *hoping* people will ask enough questions 21:43:46 pleia2, I might add some improvements to it later on tonight, but so far, it looks nice :). 21:43:46 ok 21:43:47 gotcha 21:43:55 cjohnston: we can +m if we want, no big deal 21:44:00 Hellow: thanks :) 21:44:09 I say leave it open for intro... and then close for the first class? 21:44:12 during the intro we probably want to -m 21:44:13 yeah 21:44:14 <_marx_> more hourish yes 21:44:24 so are we tripplets? 21:44:27 Also, I would prefer a setup like Open Week has: Classroom is +m, questions are asked in -chat and responded to in -classroom. 21:44:27 pleia2, make it m+ after the first me minutes 21:44:36 first few minutes of intro 21:44:59 nigel_nb: the first few minutes are asking who is there and where they are from :) 21:45:06 so we need them talking then at least 21:45:14 yea, that's what I meant 21:45:14 hellow + project board =? 21:45:22 make it m+ after that 21:45:30 Vantrax, hmm? 21:45:54 Hellow: yeah, questions will be in -chat 21:45:59 same as UOW 21:46:04 Hee. 21:46:11 we didn't always have -classroom +m for sessions 21:46:13 <_marx_> and UDS 21:46:17 but as it grew it got to be a bit much 21:46:23 Hellow, you tried to join the project board group 21:46:27 * Hellow didn't attend UDS, so wouldn't know 21:46:36 so i got an email 21:46:45 _marx_: UDS didn't use -classroom 21:46:48 Vantrax: no, he tried to join the regular learning team 21:46:48 * _marx_ attended via IRC 21:46:52 Vantrax, I submitted a request to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning :P 21:47:01 thanks penny 21:47:05 oh, and i got it via the board 21:47:10 Vantrax: yep :) 21:47:11 <_marx_> Pendulum: yes but did do -chat 21:47:11 bah.. ignore me 21:47:23 im at Linux.conf.au atm so a little distracted 21:47:25 * cjohnston is lost 21:47:25 * pleia2 hugs Vantrax 21:47:30 did it? I only used -uds and the various -uds channels 21:47:34 btw, can anyone make sense of 000000d1ed686c4400206e4f1f370f9a43ba0f4367376f5317474fda1f375fe294d07fd417373f00 21:47:34 163000b4c410908080b8f1 21:47:40 Open discussion........ 21:47:41 its a puzzle... 21:47:43 Anything else? 21:47:46 I'm done 21:47:51 Vantrax, Looks like a massive pile of numbers and letters to me. 21:47:54 <_marx_> done 21:47:59 I'm finished. 21:48:00 me too 21:48:14 <_marx_> Pendulum: maybe i'm wrong, won't be the first time 21:48:16 nothing here 21:48:21 Sounds good.. 21:48:23 looks like a hash 21:48:27 Thank you all VERY much for your help! 21:48:34 thanks cjohnston :) 21:48:36 #endmeeting }}}