1 18:59 <@ianto> #startmeeting
   2 18:59 < MootBot> Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is ianto.
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   4 19:00 <@brobostigon> PRESENT
   5 19:00 <@ianto> Right today's meeting is obviously about the Global Jam event happening on the weekend of the 3rd of October :-)
   6 19:00  * markjones sleeps
   7 19:00 <@brobostigon> yes. :)
   8 19:00 <@ianto> Our venue will be the _new_ Cardiff Central Library
   9 19:00 <@brobostigon> one second, brb.
  10 19:01 <@ianto> markjones: This +is+ logged btw! :P
  11 19:01 <@ianto> I've been out and about scouting Cardiff btw and I've made some notes on how to get there from the train st. and the High Street
  12 19:01 <@ianto> I've got photos and I'll make a guide/map after the meeting
  13 19:02 <@ianto> Firstly, who here is able to attend it? :)
  14 19:03 <@ianto> If you're not able to, still respond so I'm not feeling so lonely
  15 19:04  * brobostigon retuns
  16 19:04 < markjones> no
  17 19:04 <@brobostigon> i can attend remotly.
  18 19:04 < markjones> i'm going to be in Bangor, and trying to arrange something up here
  19 19:05 < dariusH> 4 minutes late :(
  20 19:05 <@ianto> Ocei it doesn't look like anyone persent will be attending in-person, but I'll be forcing chippanfat aka Ethan to come, dariusH will hopefully be coming and well markie- lives in Cardiff, there is no excuse for him :)
  21 19:05 < dariusH> hopefully? you questioning my loyalty?
  22 19:06 <@ianto> Yes and your availability
  23 19:06 < dariusH> It's a weekend, the only problem i have is money, but it's not that much to get to cardiff
  24 19:06 <@ianto> £6.10 return ticket from Neath :)
  25 19:07 < markie-> i might show up
  26 19:07 < dariusH> Might?
  27 19:07 < markie-> yea might
  28 19:07 < markie-> i most likely will
  29 19:08 <@ianto> That's what we want to hear :)
  30 19:08 < dariusH> you must come geek out, what other oppertunity do you get?
  31 19:08 <@brobostigon> i will also try an attend in person,
  32 19:08 <@brobostigon> if i can.
  33 19:08 <@ianto> Anyway of te two present who could be attending, how much experiece do you have in working on Ubuntu especially in lp?
  34 19:09 <@ianto> s/two/three/g
  35 19:09 <@brobostigon> i wonder how much it will cost, to get to cardiff and back.
  36 19:09 <@ianto> brobostigon: Do you have any sort of railcard?
  37 19:10 <@brobostigon> ianto: nope.
  38 19:10 <@ianto> brobostigon: I'll get a quote in a mo
  39 19:10 <@ianto> The other two what about you ^
  40 19:10 <@brobostigon> ianto: ok, i was just goingto have a look aswell.
  41 19:11 <@ianto> brobostigon: Okay, you'll hae a better idea so go on nationalrail.co.uk :)
  42 19:11 <@brobostigon> ianto: alittle experience with LP, not extensive though,
  43 19:11 <@ianto> Btw a "none" response will be just as useful as "über bug fix0r"
  44 19:12 < markie-> ianto: I'm not entirely familiar with packaging, bugging etc and all that, but i was hoping to learn something concerning that at that event
  45 19:12 <@ianto> markie-: Duly noted
  46 19:12 <@ianto> Well I was thinking we could split the day up a bit into sectors of things to work on and geekout things as well
  47 19:12 < markie-> i mean, i could just like starting reading right now and practice, but meh, it'll be fun to be taught in peson
  48 19:12 < markie-> person*
  49 19:13 <@ianto> Such as a Keysigning party, a Karmic hardware testing review, Bug triaging and en_GB translations
  50 19:13 <@ianto> Nothings makes me rage a smuch as seeing an  en_US string in a en_GB DE!
  51 19:13 <@ianto> *as much
  52 19:13 <@ianto> :)
  53 19:14 < markie-> that's sounds pretty cool
  54 19:14 <@ianto> Of course depending on the language skills, during the translation part, one half can do en_GB and one half can d cy
  55 19:15 <@ianto> Although I don't think any Welsh speakers will be attending from the responses so far ^
  56 19:15 < markie-> do we have a room to ourselfs? or isit just out in the open?
  57 19:15 <@ianto> markie-: We're on the top floor, in a quiet area, basically an empty region with like half of a floor where we can hang out
  58 19:16 < markie-> and most importantly will you be bringing change for that coffee machine?
  59 19:16 <@ianto> markie-: You're a local you must know what floor 5 is like
  60 19:16 < dariusH> coffee sounds good
  61 19:16 < markie-> all teh floors look the same
  62 19:16 <@ianto> Oh forgot to say in this meeting, our area has a coffee machine like 3ft form us
  63 19:16 <@ianto> *from
  64 19:17 <@ianto> So how does an idea of perhaps a GPG keysigning party and/or other naturally geeky things sound to you guys?
  65 19:17 <@brobostigon> :) coffee
  66 19:18 < dariusH> I don't have a laptop...
  67 19:18 <@ianto> dariusH: Can't you borrow your mother's?
  68 19:18 < dariusH> 3 desktops but no laptop :/
  69 19:18 <@ianto> I swear there are like 3 laptops in your house
  70 19:18 <@brobostigon> i could bring both my thinkpad and my ibook g3.
  71 19:19 < dariusH> was 2 laptops
  72 19:19 < dariusH> my sisters gone to uni
  73 19:19 < markie-> brobostigon: will you be making it?
  74 19:19 < dariusH> my mothers laptop battery is a dud, goes off as soon as you unplug it
  75 19:19 <@ianto> dariusH: We'll have power :)
  76 19:19 <@brobostigon> markie-: i am just looking at cost.
  77 19:19 -!- markjones_ [n=markjone@147.143.254.214] has joined #ubuntu-cym
  78 19:19 -!- markjones [n=markjone@147.143.254.214] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
  79 19:19 < markie-> brobostigon: Sounds good
  80 19:19 -!- markjones_ is now known as markjones
  81 19:19 < markjones> sorry
  82 19:20 <@ianto> No worries ^
  83 19:20 <@brobostigon> markie-: £44.50 return
  84 19:20 < chippanfat> this is a rough guess. But I tried to ping my server externaly and had no response, would that be to do with firewall built into ubuntu server? I havent really checked if it has in-built firewall like windows does?
  85 19:20 < markie-> brobostigon: affordable?
  86 19:20 < markjones> hmm
  87 19:20 <@ianto> chippanfat: Meeting in progress! 
  88 19:21 <@brobostigon> markie-: maybe,
  89 19:21 < chippanfat> sorry dude :)
  90 19:21 < markjones> I can travel down to Carmarthen for free
  91 19:21 <@ianto> chippanfat: Btw you're coming to Cardiff, weren't you?
  92 19:21 < chippanfat> when is it? :)
  93 19:21 <@ianto> Oct 3rd - 4th
  94 19:21 < dariusH> chippanfat: that's probably your router not the server
  95 19:21 < markie-> we should have something like a cym change box, where we can help members finanically to make the events
  96 19:22 <@brobostigon> markie-: i am not working at the moment either, so that is alot of money.
  97 19:22 < chippanfat> dariusH: I've forwarded the services "SFTP, FTP and SSH"
  98 19:22 < markie-> brobostigon: Yea believe me i understand :P
  99 19:22 <@brobostigon> markie-: i see, :( ohwell.
 100 19:22 < dariusH> chippanfat: what router do you have?
 101 19:23 < markie-> brobostigon: but, we might be able to all chip in
 102 19:23 < markie-> ianto: ?
 103 19:23 < markjones> can anybody put me up for a night or two?
 104 19:23 < dariusH> markie-: that's me out, i have £0, still applying anywhere i can
 105 19:23 < chippanfat> Ianto: "I'll come to cardiff dude :) chip in for the fuel and i'll take you there :)
 106 19:23 < chippanfat> Dariush: Netgear
 107 19:23 < dariusH> chippanfat: http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1118
 108 19:23 < dariusH> give that a go
 109 19:23 < chippanfat> dariusH: DG834GT
 110 19:24 <@ianto> markie-: Yeah?
 111 19:24 < markie-> ianto: you think you can help brobostigon with his ticket?
 112 19:24 <@brobostigon> ok, can we go back ontopic,
 113 19:24 <@ianto> markjones: I'd be honoured to share my place but I dunno about room, I'll negotiate with some people in-house or other -cym folk ;)
 114 19:25 <@ianto> markie-: Erm... I have just £20 atm so that covers food and train ticket for Cardiff
 115 19:25 < markie-> god we're all so broke
 116 19:25 < markjones> ianto: yeah, ok, i'm able to get as far as Carmarthen on Trawscambria services
 117 19:25 < markjones> that'll take about a day
 118 19:25 < dariusH> i applied to cash converters the other day heh
 119 19:25 < dariusH> anyway, back ontopic :P
 120 19:25 < markjones> oh sh*t
 121 19:25 <@brobostigon> otherwise i can just chipin remotly over voip
 122 19:26 < markjones> (sorry, shouldn't swear)
 123 19:26 <@ianto> markjones: Not advised, still happens ;-)
 124 19:26 <@ianto> Regardless, do youu want to do some other stuff other than just work there? :)
 125 19:26 < markjones> i'll not be able to come down, as my timetable is pretty full
 126 19:27 < markjones> but people are welcome to come up North
 127 19:28 <@brobostigon> ok, so do w have a plan?
 128 19:28 <@ianto> yeah, just trying to see what people would like to add to it :)
 129 19:29 <@brobostigon> well i dont think with train cost, i will be able to atend, so i cant input.
 130 19:30 < dariusH> is food allowed in the library or do we have to go somewhere to eat?
 131 19:30 <@ianto> For  aquick recap, bug triage, testing h/w and s/w, key sign, translation
 132 19:31 <@ianto> I recommend that you guys bring a good form of ID if you aren't keysigning
 133 19:31 <@ianto> In case you need a library card
 134 19:31 <@ianto> dariusH: Well there are lots of tables outside
 135 19:31 <@ianto> And you could sneak if you had to
 136 19:32 <@ianto> we are pretty hidden
 137 19:32 <@ianto> But I'm not sure if it is outlawed
 138 19:32 <@brobostigon> ok, for those that cant attend, is a voip + video link possible?
 139 19:32 < markie-> dariusH: they sell food in the machines so i think it most likely is, i eat in there all the time
 140 19:32 <@ianto> markie-: What's your experience in this matter?
 141 19:32 <@ianto> Ahh OK ^
 142 19:32 <@ianto> Oh yeah, who is actually good with VoIP solutions?
 143 19:33 < dariusH> we
 144 19:33 < markjones> me
 145 19:33 < dariusH> are we having any voip links with other jam events?
 146 19:33 < dariusH> ie or uk?
 147 19:33 <@ianto> It'd  be nice and video would be nice too
 148 19:33 <@ianto> But watch out the Birmingham jammers are quite a site :D
 149 19:34 <@ianto> *sight
 150 19:34 < markjones> lol
 151 19:34 < markjones> use Ekiga
 152 19:34 <@brobostigon> is it possible to do two directional, not just outgoing audio and video?
 153 19:34 <@ianto> Last year we used a website hosting both of our feeds
 154 19:34 <@ianto> But there was like a 3 second delay
 155 19:35 < markjones> yeah
 156 19:35 < markjones> there are websites that do that
 157 19:35 < dariusH> what net speeds does the library use?
 158 19:35 <@brobostigon> can we then use skype or something, so i can input from here.?
 159 19:35 < markjones> dariusH: should be about normal ADSL
 160 19:35 < markjones> brobostigon: the websites have chat
 161 19:35 <@ianto> I thought that libraries ran off of the gvt backbone?
 162 19:35 < markjones> some link to IRC
 163 19:36 < markjones> ianto: some do
 164 19:36 < markjones> depends on the Local Authority
 165 19:36 < dariusH> as long as it's not the educational network, that's horribly slow
 166 19:36 < markjones> might be quite quick in cardiff
 167 19:36 <@brobostigon> markjones: i see, ok. am not sure that maybe sufficiant.
 168 19:37 < markjones> brobostigon: sufficient for what?
 169 19:37 <@brobostigon> markjones: for me to be able to provide input.
 170 19:37 <@ianto> chippanfat: What time will you be leaving Neath out of curiosity?
 171 19:37 < markjones> brobostigon: input for what?
 172 19:38 <@brobostigon> markjones: into what you chaps will be doing,
 173 19:39 < markjones> ok, how about one or two machines run a Skype/Ekiga connection
 174 19:39 < markjones> and one runs the webcam/IRC chat
 175 19:39 <@brobostigon> markjones: i dont know, depends on what is possible, and what is needed.
 176 19:41 <@ianto> Right i'll be bringing a webcam
 177 19:41 <@ianto> Second issue for geeks is electricity
 178 19:41 <@ianto> We are permitted to use the library's power supply
 179 19:41 <@brobostigon> thats good.
 180 19:41 <@ianto> Where we are there are just two plugs, I have a 4 power power surge protector extension cable
 181 19:41 <@ianto> and a 3port square plug thing
 182 19:42 <@ianto> Can anyone else assist in the networking of power?
 183 19:42 <@ianto> Oh I should mention, our area has a capacity of 13 people which IMO is more than enough since that is 33% of the lp team :)
 184 19:42  * brobostigon imagines a hydrogen fuel cell. :)
 185 19:42 <@ianto> I did a count earlier... :)
 186 19:43 <@brobostigon> :)
 187 19:44 <@ianto> If only IRC had a nudge feature...
 188 19:45 <@brobostigon> interesting idea.
 189 19:45 <@brobostigon> a flash in irssi?
 190 19:45 <@brobostigon> a sound, a noise?
 191 19:46 <@ianto> Yeah well, I think we have the actual power sorted for 7 people
 192 19:46 < markjones> http://www.ustream.tv/
 193 19:46 < MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ustream.tv/
 194 19:47 < markjones> it's the service my friends used, and links to IRC
 195 19:48 <@brobostigon> ok.
 196 19:49 <@ianto> markjones: We'll try using that
 197 19:50 < markjones> ianto: cool :)
 198 19:50 < markjones> i'll use it too
 199 19:50 <@ianto> Alright is there anyything that people would like to add to this meeting?
 200 19:50 <@ianto> I will be creating an OpenStreet map shortly
 201 19:50 < markjones> no, except that i'm now ill :(
 202 19:50 <@ianto> With pictures to email to our team
 203 19:50 <@brobostigon> ubuntu rocks
 204 19:50 <@ianto> :(
 205 19:51 <@brobostigon> i will try to attend, if i can find the money, and save money somewhere else.
 206 19:51 <@ianto> brobostigon: Don't feel that you _have_ to! Just survive first before improving Ubuntu :)
 207 19:52 <@brobostigon> ianto: ok, :)
 208 19:52 <@ianto> Is that now all from you guys?
 209 19:53 <@brobostigon> yes.
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 211 19:54 <@ianto> #endmeeting
 212 19:54 < MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:54.