This is the '''4th''' meeting of the '''Welsh LoCo Team''', starting at 19:00 BST and finishing at 19:54 BST

= Attendance =

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'''Active Atendees:'''
 * ianto
 * brobostigon
 * dariusH
 * markie-
 * markjones
 * chippanfat


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18:59 <@ianto> #startmeeting
18:59 < MootBot> Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is ianto.
18:59 < MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
19:00 <@brobostigon> PRESENT
19:00 <@ianto> Right today's meeting is obviously about the Global Jam event happening on the weekend of the 3rd of October :-)
19:00  * markjones sleeps
19:00 <@brobostigon> yes. :)
19:00 <@ianto> Our venue will be the _new_ Cardiff Central Library
19:00 <@brobostigon> one second, brb.
19:01 <@ianto> markjones: This +is+ logged btw! :P
19:01 <@ianto> I've been out and about scouting Cardiff btw and I've made some notes on how to get there from the train st. and the High Street
19:01 <@ianto> I've got photos and I'll make a guide/map after the meeting
19:02 <@ianto> Firstly, who here is able to attend it? :)
19:03 <@ianto> If you're not able to, still respond so I'm not feeling so lonely
19:04  * brobostigon retuns
19:04 < markjones> no
19:04 <@brobostigon> i can attend remotly.
19:04 < markjones> i'm going to be in Bangor, and trying to arrange something up here
19:05 < dariusH> 4 minutes late :(
19:05 <@ianto> Ocei it doesn't look like anyone persent will be attending in-person, but I'll be forcing chippanfat aka Ethan to come, dariusH will hopefully be coming and well markie- lives in Cardiff, there is no excuse for him :)
19:05 < dariusH> hopefully? you questioning my loyalty?
19:06 <@ianto> Yes and your availability
19:06 < dariusH> It's a weekend, the only problem i have is money, but it's not that much to get to cardiff
19:06 <@ianto> £6.10 return ticket from Neath :)
19:07 < markie-> i might show up
19:07 < dariusH> Might?
19:07 < markie-> yea might
19:07 < markie-> i most likely will
19:08 <@ianto> That's what we want to hear :)
19:08 < dariusH> you must come geek out, what other oppertunity do you get?
19:08 <@brobostigon> i will also try an attend in person,
19:08 <@brobostigon> if i can.
19:08 <@ianto> Anyway of te two present who could be attending, how much experiece do you have in working on Ubuntu especially in lp?
19:09 <@ianto> s/two/three/g
19:09 <@brobostigon> i wonder how much it will cost, to get to cardiff and back.
19:09 <@ianto> brobostigon: Do you have any sort of railcard?
19:10 <@brobostigon> ianto: nope.
19:10 <@ianto> brobostigon: I'll get a quote in a mo
19:10 <@ianto> The other two what about you ^
19:10 <@brobostigon> ianto: ok, i was just goingto have a look aswell.
19:11 <@ianto> brobostigon: Okay, you'll hae a better idea so go on nationalrail.co.uk :)
19:11 <@brobostigon> ianto: alittle experience with LP, not extensive though,
19:11 <@ianto> Btw a "none" response will be just as useful as "über bug fix0r"
19:12 < markie-> ianto: I'm not entirely familiar with packaging, bugging etc and all that, but i was hoping to learn something concerning that at that event
19:12 <@ianto> markie-: Duly noted
19:12 <@ianto> Well I was thinking we could split the day up a bit into sectors of things to work on and geekout things as well
19:12 < markie-> i mean, i could just like starting reading right now and practice, but meh, it'll be fun to be taught in peson
19:12 < markie-> person*
19:13 <@ianto> Such as a Keysigning party, a Karmic hardware testing review, Bug triaging and en_GB translations
19:13 <@ianto> Nothings makes me rage a smuch as seeing an  en_US string in a en_GB DE!
19:13 <@ianto> *as much
19:13 <@ianto> :)
19:14 < markie-> that's sounds pretty cool
19:14 <@ianto> Of course depending on the language skills, during the translation part, one half can do en_GB and one half can d cy
19:15 <@ianto> Although I don't think any Welsh speakers will be attending from the responses so far ^
19:15 < markie-> do we have a room to ourselfs? or isit just out in the open?
19:15 <@ianto> markie-: We're on the top floor, in a quiet area, basically an empty region with like half of a floor where we can hang out
19:16 < markie-> and most importantly will you be bringing change for that coffee machine?
19:16 <@ianto> markie-: You're a local you must know what floor 5 is like
19:16 < dariusH> coffee sounds good
19:16 < markie-> all teh floors look the same
19:16 <@ianto> Oh forgot to say in this meeting, our area has a coffee machine like 3ft form us
19:16 <@ianto> *from
19:17 <@ianto> So how does an idea of perhaps a GPG keysigning party and/or other naturally geeky things sound to you guys?
19:17 <@brobostigon> :) coffee
19:18 < dariusH> I don't have a laptop...
19:18 <@ianto> dariusH: Can't you borrow your mother's?
19:18 < dariusH> 3 desktops but no laptop :/
19:18 <@ianto> I swear there are like 3 laptops in your house
19:18 <@brobostigon> i could bring both my thinkpad and my ibook g3.
19:19 < dariusH> was 2 laptops
19:19 < dariusH> my sisters gone to uni
19:19 < markie-> brobostigon: will you be making it?
19:19 < dariusH> my mothers laptop battery is a dud, goes off as soon as you unplug it
19:19 <@ianto> dariusH: We'll have power :)
19:19 <@brobostigon> markie-: i am just looking at cost.
19:19 -!- markjones_ [n=markjone@147.143.254.214] has joined #ubuntu-cym
19:19 -!- markjones [n=markjone@147.143.254.214] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
19:19 < markie-> brobostigon: Sounds good
19:19 -!- markjones_ is now known as markjones
19:19 < markjones> sorry
19:20 <@ianto> No worries ^
19:20 <@brobostigon> markie-: £44.50 return
19:20 < chippanfat> this is a rough guess. But I tried to ping my server externaly and had no response, would that be to do with firewall built into ubuntu server? I havent really checked if it has in-built firewall like windows does?
19:20 < markie-> brobostigon: affordable?
19:20 < markjones> hmm
19:20 <@ianto> chippanfat: Meeting in progress! 
19:21 <@brobostigon> markie-: maybe,
19:21 < chippanfat> sorry dude :)
19:21 < markjones> I can travel down to Carmarthen for free
19:21 <@ianto> chippanfat: Btw you're coming to Cardiff, weren't you?
19:21 < chippanfat> when is it? :)
19:21 <@ianto> Oct 3rd - 4th
19:21 < dariusH> chippanfat: that's probably your router not the server
19:21 < markie-> we should have something like a cym change box, where we can help members finanically to make the events
19:22 <@brobostigon> markie-: i am not working at the moment either, so that is alot of money.
19:22 < chippanfat> dariusH: I've forwarded the services "SFTP, FTP and SSH"
19:22 < markie-> brobostigon: Yea believe me i understand :P
19:22 <@brobostigon> markie-: i see, :( ohwell.
19:22 < dariusH> chippanfat: what router do you have?
19:23 < markie-> brobostigon: but, we might be able to all chip in
19:23 < markie-> ianto: ?
19:23 < markjones> can anybody put me up for a night or two?
19:23 < dariusH> markie-: that's me out, i have £0, still applying anywhere i can
19:23 < chippanfat> Ianto: "I'll come to cardiff dude :) chip in for the fuel and i'll take you there :)
19:23 < chippanfat> Dariush: Netgear
19:23 < dariusH> chippanfat: http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1118
19:23 < dariusH> give that a go
19:23 < chippanfat> dariusH: DG834GT
19:24 <@ianto> markie-: Yeah?
19:24 < markie-> ianto: you think you can help brobostigon with his ticket?
19:24 <@brobostigon> ok, can we go back ontopic,
19:24 <@ianto> markjones: I'd be honoured to share my place but I dunno about room, I'll negotiate with some people in-house or other -cym folk ;)
19:25 <@ianto> markie-: Erm... I have just £20 atm so that covers food and train ticket for Cardiff
19:25 < markie-> god we're all so broke
19:25 < markjones> ianto: yeah, ok, i'm able to get as far as Carmarthen on Trawscambria services
19:25 < markjones> that'll take about a day
19:25 < dariusH> i applied to cash converters the other day heh
19:25 < dariusH> anyway, back ontopic :P
19:25 < markjones> oh sh*t
19:25 <@brobostigon> otherwise i can just chipin remotly over voip
19:26 < markjones> (sorry, shouldn't swear)
19:26 <@ianto> markjones: Not advised, still happens ;-)
19:26 <@ianto> Regardless, do youu want to do some other stuff other than just work there? :)
19:26 < markjones> i'll not be able to come down, as my timetable is pretty full
19:27 < markjones> but people are welcome to come up North
19:28 <@brobostigon> ok, so do w have a plan?
19:28 <@ianto> yeah, just trying to see what people would like to add to it :)
19:29 <@brobostigon> well i dont think with train cost, i will be able to atend, so i cant input.
19:30 < dariusH> is food allowed in the library or do we have to go somewhere to eat?
19:30 <@ianto> For  aquick recap, bug triage, testing h/w and s/w, key sign, translation
19:31 <@ianto> I recommend that you guys bring a good form of ID if you aren't keysigning
19:31 <@ianto> In case you need a library card
19:31 <@ianto> dariusH: Well there are lots of tables outside
19:31 <@ianto> And you could sneak if you had to
19:32 <@ianto> we are pretty hidden
19:32 <@ianto> But I'm not sure if it is outlawed
19:32 <@brobostigon> ok, for those that cant attend, is a voip + video link possible?
19:32 < markie-> dariusH: they sell food in the machines so i think it most likely is, i eat in there all the time
19:32 <@ianto> markie-: What's your experience in this matter?
19:32 <@ianto> Ahh OK ^
19:32 <@ianto> Oh yeah, who is actually good with VoIP solutions?
19:33 < dariusH> we
19:33 < markjones> me
19:33 < dariusH> are we having any voip links with other jam events?
19:33 < dariusH> ie or uk?
19:33 <@ianto> It'd  be nice and video would be nice too
19:33 <@ianto> But watch out the Birmingham jammers are quite a site :D
19:34 <@ianto> *sight
19:34 < markjones> lol
19:34 < markjones> use Ekiga
19:34 <@brobostigon> is it possible to do two directional, not just outgoing audio and video?
19:34 <@ianto> Last year we used a website hosting both of our feeds
19:34 <@ianto> But there was like a 3 second delay
19:35 < markjones> yeah
19:35 < markjones> there are websites that do that
19:35 < dariusH> what net speeds does the library use?
19:35 <@brobostigon> can we then use skype or something, so i can input from here.?
19:35 < markjones> dariusH: should be about normal ADSL
19:35 < markjones> brobostigon: the websites have chat
19:35 <@ianto> I thought that libraries ran off of the gvt backbone?
19:35 < markjones> some link to IRC
19:36 < markjones> ianto: some do
19:36 < markjones> depends on the Local Authority
19:36 < dariusH> as long as it's not the educational network, that's horribly slow
19:36 < markjones> might be quite quick in cardiff
19:36 <@brobostigon> markjones: i see, ok. am not sure that maybe sufficiant.
19:37 < markjones> brobostigon: sufficient for what?
19:37 <@brobostigon> markjones: for me to be able to provide input.
19:37 <@ianto> chippanfat: What time will you be leaving Neath out of curiosity?
19:37 < markjones> brobostigon: input for what?
19:38 <@brobostigon> markjones: into what you chaps will be doing,
19:39 < markjones> ok, how about one or two machines run a Skype/Ekiga connection
19:39 < markjones> and one runs the webcam/IRC chat
19:39 <@brobostigon> markjones: i dont know, depends on what is possible, and what is needed.
19:41 <@ianto> Right i'll be bringing a webcam
19:41 <@ianto> Second issue for geeks is electricity
19:41 <@ianto> We are permitted to use the library's power supply
19:41 <@brobostigon> thats good.
19:41 <@ianto> Where we are there are just two plugs, I have a 4 power power surge protector extension cable
19:41 <@ianto> and a 3port square plug thing
19:42 <@ianto> Can anyone else assist in the networking of power?
19:42 <@ianto> Oh I should mention, our area has a capacity of 13 people which IMO is more than enough since that is 33% of the lp team :)
19:42  * brobostigon imagines a hydrogen fuel cell. :)
19:42 <@ianto> I did a count earlier... :)
19:43 <@brobostigon> :)
19:44 <@ianto> If only IRC had a nudge feature...
19:45 <@brobostigon> interesting idea.
19:45 <@brobostigon> a flash in irssi?
19:45 <@brobostigon> a sound, a noise?
19:46 <@ianto> Yeah well, I think we have the actual power sorted for 7 people
19:46 < markjones> http://www.ustream.tv/
19:46 < MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ustream.tv/
19:47 < markjones> it's the service my friends used, and links to IRC
19:48 <@brobostigon> ok.
19:49 <@ianto> markjones: We'll try using that
19:50 < markjones> ianto: cool :)
19:50 < markjones> i'll use it too
19:50 <@ianto> Alright is there anyything that people would like to add to this meeting?
19:50 <@ianto> I will be creating an OpenStreet map shortly
19:50 < markjones> no, except that i'm now ill :(
19:50 <@ianto> With pictures to email to our team
19:50 <@brobostigon> ubuntu rocks
19:50 <@ianto> :(
19:51 <@brobostigon> i will try to attend, if i can find the money, and save money somewhere else.
19:51 <@ianto> brobostigon: Don't feel that you _have_ to! Just survive first before improving Ubuntu :)
19:52 <@brobostigon> ianto: ok, :)
19:52 <@ianto> Is that now all from you guys?
19:53 <@brobostigon> yes.
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19:54 <@ianto> #endmeeting
19:54 < MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:54.
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