== 2011-07-25 Meeting Minutes ==
The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
=== Old Business ===
* Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward
* micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras - Email sent
* GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu
* start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Done
=== Team updates ===
==== Packaging & Development ====
* uploaded a new xubuntu-default-settings to make some cleaning of gdm/natty specific hacks
* merged the new xfce4-indicator-plugin with transparency support
* evince is still on the daily builds, because gnumeric uses it
* pavucontrol and pastebinit need to be added to the defaults
* look at the possibility of adding midori as a second browser
==== Bug Triage & Testing ====
* Testing had broken images this week.
* User names are not kept in the login screen.
* Keep the bugs coming in, please
* We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
==== Website & Marketing ====
* beardygnome brought up the ability to add the Xfce news feed to the Xubuntu website.
This seems like a very good idea, since Xubuntu is based on Xfce, and it would help to keep us informed of any changes being planned.
* All teams need to review website content
* insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
* we're testing the imgcapt plugin, please contact knome for information
==== Artwork ====
* added a metacity theme to bluebird
* added full support for compiz (emerald and metacity themes)
* we need both a lightdm theme and plymouth theme
* looking into gtk3 again in oneiric, will need to write a gtk3 specific version of the theme
* there's a git-repo for greybird
* https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
* can't themes be added to a ppa so when an update to the theme is done we can see it on the update manager?
==== Documentation ====
* We need someone that can go through the wiki documentation and update it.
=== Announcements ===
* The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-31 at 22:00 UTC
* Important dates coming up:
* 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
* 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
* 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
* UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
* UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
=== Any Other Business ===
* discussion on UbuntuOne and Software Center working fully in Xubuntu
* to subscribe to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, go to
* https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
* [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2011-07-25 | Meeting log]]
* Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting
=== Action items ===
* madnick to look into plymouth theme, with help from knome and ochosi for animations
=== Xubuntu Governance ===
* The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Governance_.26_Team_Structure
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== 2011-07-25 Meeting Log ==
The full logs can found in original form at
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/25/%23xubuntu-devel.txt
== People present (lines said) ==
* charlie-tca
* knome
* ochosi
* micahg
* mr_pouit
* astraljava
* beardygnome
* madnick
* pleia2
== Full Log ==
[19:00] #startmeeting
[19:00] great! lost the meeting bot already
[19:00] Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting
[19:01] We keep the agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:01] woot :)
[19:01] * Old business
[19:01] * Team updates
[19:01] * Packaging & Development
[19:01] * Bug Triage & Testing
[19:01] * Website & Marketing
[19:01] * Artwork
[19:01] * Documentation
[19:02] * Announcements
[19:02] * Governance structure
[19:02] * Any Other Business
[19:02] Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[19:02] We do allow anyone to speak up, that wants to.
[19:02] [TOPIC] Old Business
[19:02] micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras
[19:02] micahg: any status?
[19:02] charlie-tca: sent an e-mail, waiting on response
[19:02] Thank you
[19:03] start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc
[19:03] ochosi: did we get any thing on the review?
[19:04] === Team updates ===
[19:04] sry, was busy with other stuff, afaik the discussion/review hasn't really started
[19:04] feature freeze is approaching fast
[19:05] we need to do something if we are going to, right?
[19:05] when is FF?
[19:05] Aug 11
[19:05] plenty of time to do the discussion
[19:05] micahg: maybe we can update gmusicbrowser?
[19:05] ochosi: is there a new version?
[19:05] (or at least set a deadline for it)
[19:06] there are quite a few bugfixes, no new release in the strict sense
[19:06] I would say if 4 weeks hasn't been enough time to get it started, three weeks is cutting things short
[19:06] ochosi: is he planning a release any time soon?
[19:06] ochosi, want to start the discussion on the ML today? i can give my comments right away
[19:06] micahg: not sure, he's not planning releases, strictly speaking
[19:07] knome: Why not send the email to get it started?
[19:07] micahg: i think he's still trying to improve it to finally release 1.2
[19:07] charlie-tca: good idea
[19:07] charlie-tca, i'm planning to do other things today, eg. more banners
[19:07] awwh :)
[19:07] micahg: but i guess i can talk to him to do a 1.1.8 release
[19:08] ochosi: personally, I prefer releases to snapshots, but if there are sufficient fixes, I can find out how to make a tarball from th repo
[19:09] micahg: actually github has a tarball-feature, so you can simply take it from there
[19:10] Can we continue?
[19:10] silence is not golden...
[19:10] [TOPIC] === Team updates ===
[19:11] [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ====
[19:11] mr_pouit or micahg ?
[19:11] as you prefer :p
[19:11] Go ahead, sir
[19:11] ok
[19:12] nothing much new again, uploaded a new xubuntu-default-settings to make some cleaning of gdm/natty specific hacks, and merged the new xfce4-indicator-plugin with transparency support
[19:12] micahg wanted to investigate why evince is still on the daily builds, but I don't remember the result ;)
[19:13] it's due to gnumeric
[19:13] so, gnumeric can use epdfview, but the preview files aren't cleaned when you close epdfview, not sure if that's a deal breaker or not
[19:14] What does that mean? Do you have to manually close the previews then?
[19:14] They're stored in /tmp, right?
[19:14] yep, they're in /tmp
[19:14] Doesn't /tmp get cleaned on a restart?
[19:15] Shouldn't be a problem, most people reboot often, right?
[19:15] it's a potential privacy issue on a running machine
[19:15] True.
[19:15] even if they don't, does /tmp keep it forever?
[19:15] charlie-tca: w/out a reboot, yes
[19:15] Other things also get stored there, right?
[19:16] yeah
[19:16] mr_pouit: opinion?
[19:16] I'm not comfortable asking for an alternate depends on epdfview w/out this being fixed
[19:17] yeah
[19:17] But wait, isn't most privileges in /tmp 600?
[19:17] Then we keep evince?
[19:17] s/isn't/aren't
[19:17] astraljava: hmm, right, true, it is 600 on those files, so maybe not an issue
[19:18] ..
[19:18] If you are printing a private file, do you expect to not have traces left on the drive?
[19:19] that's true, flash drive files would be impacted
[19:19] I don't think I understand what is wrong with a copy left in /tmp vs a copy you stored on the drive before print preview was invoked?
[19:19] so, I guess we either get this fixed so that epdfview acts like evince in this scenario or go back to evince
[19:19] charlie-tca: the file might not be on the system at all
[19:20] okay, let's revert to evince again, then.
[19:20] sorry to bother, but why were we going for epdf again?
[19:20] ochosi: 2-3MB CD space
[19:20] we're 30MB oversized ATM
[19:20] did we remove pinyin yet?
[19:21] can't we just drop somrthing to get the space back?
[19:21] Not that simple
[19:21] like gimp?
[19:21] beardygnome: I think that's what the discussion is all about. :)
[19:21] * knome hides
[19:22] knome: that's where i was headed :-)
[19:22] people, PLEASE start the app comparison wiki page.
[19:22] If ubuntu adds things, we get oversized, If they remove them, they don't always get removed from the Xubuntu image
[19:22] Wait, Xubuntu actually ships gimp by default?
[19:22] yes, astraljava
[19:22] don't waste time on loads of irrelevant emails
[19:22] We never had the space issue Ubuntu did
[19:22] mr_pouit: should we revert to ibus-pinyin from ibus-sunpinyin like UBuntu did?
[19:23] iirc, we've had the space issue for a few releases already
[19:23] micahg: I've absolutely no idea. I usually try to follow what ubuntu doesn on these matters ;-)
[19:23] *does
[19:23] well, they have a custom CD with ibus-sunpinyin for China I think
[19:24] (there are several transitions in progress apparently, since we have two versions of libwebkit aboard)
[19:25] we're stuck with them I think, the GTK3 version is used in yelp
[19:25] Ubuntu has the same issue
[19:26] Fortunately this isn't an LTS release. :)
[19:26] How come alternate 64 is 30MB lighter then the other images?
[19:26] I think the two transitions we're impacted by ATM are the SSL 1.0.0 and libnotify ones, libnotify will be done once transmission gets its build-deps MIRd and builds, libssl I haven't started on yet
[19:27] charlie-tca: Only 13, and the same with both archs, isn't it?
[19:27] no
[19:28] alternate 64 is only 702MB,
[19:28] Sorry, my bad.
[19:28] alternate i386 is 715MB, and the desktop images are both over 730MB
[19:28] not sure, we have some amd64 archive failures in main, could be those updates changed build-deps, idk offhand
[19:28] s/archive/build/
[19:29] All debian installer images are causing kernel panics today, but they had been working
[19:30] anything else on development and packaging?
[19:31] summary: keep evince, find out why cd's are oversize
[19:31] I think so at this point
[19:32] and merged the new xfce4-indicator-plugin with transparency support
[19:32] which is a big one, right?
[19:32] [TOPIC] ==== Bug Triage & Testing ====
[19:33] We still don't have live sessions, even though the new x11-common is out
[19:33] what else do we need to push to get things moving for us?
[19:34] Testing is being done as often as we can, with the results at http://2tu.us/3dmh
[19:34] mr_pouit: any bugs I can push people with to get the live session working now/
[19:34] ?
[19:35] nope, it's still waiting on some support from gdm/lightdm
[19:35] bugs in Oneiric are being tracked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot , Please update it when you report a new bug
[19:35] (and they are aware of the issues)
[19:35] Do I need to push people, or will it happen before alpha3 next week?
[19:36] sorry, I don't know when this'll happen :(
[19:36] Any questions on bugs and testing?
[19:37] might be something to bring up in the Desktop meeting AU edition
[19:37] I keep bringing it up in the release meeting, I don't know the dekstop meeting?
[19:37] Do you attend it?
[19:38] I'm around for it sometimes (won't be tomorrow)
[19:38] They do show the d-i bug 815962 fixed now
[19:38] Launchpad bug 815962 in udev (Ubuntu) "oneiric d-i based images kernel panic on boot" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/815962
[19:38] Maybe we will have working images tomorrow
[19:39] [TOPIC] ==== Website & Marketing ====
[19:40] Many thanks to beardygnome for his great website review!
[19:40] np
[19:40] glad to be of service :-)
[19:40] As many times as I read it, I never realized how many times we referred to Ubuntu instead of Xubuntu
[19:41] i thought that was deliberate thing on some of the spots
[19:41] but i might remember wrong
[19:41] knome: any update on the website?
[19:41] on w&m: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_banners/microbutton_80x15.png was created today, and more is to come
[19:41] i'm hoping to get back on working on the actual website this month
[19:41] knome: it is in some places, i only mentioned the ones that i thought weren't deliberate
[19:41] beardygnome, okay, right :)
[19:42] I owe knome an apology for this morning. I looked at the banner just referenced, and it was blurred. He has since pointed out my eyes are very blurred again
[19:42] seems my vision is not good at this time
[19:43] ..
[19:44] charlie-tca, no problem
[19:44] * charlie-tca hates not seeing good
[19:45] anything else, knome ?
[19:45] mmh... not at the moment, i think
[19:45] Thank you for the update. It would be good to get the website moving again.
[19:45] yes, definitely
[19:45] Any questions for website?
[19:46] to get the blog set up!
[19:46] please
[19:46] :)
[19:46] [TOPIC] ==== Artwork ====
[19:46] ochosi: You get a turn, too
[19:46] * knome rolls ochosi like a dice
[19:46] is it a six? is it?
[19:47] i'll keep that a secret, knome ;)
[19:47] hehe
[19:47] :)
[19:47] ok, not many news, i added a metacity theme to bluebird
[19:47] so basically the two themes we added since i started to contribute actively now work with compiz/metacity
[19:48] apart from that i tested gtk3 again in my oneiric install
[19:48] but everything is still moving too much in gtk3 and unico to really get down to coding the gtk3 theme
[19:49] if someone feels like doing a theme for lightdm, please step forward :)
[19:49] (albatross is underway of having a facelift!)
[19:50] that's about it from my side :)
[19:50] I don't know about a theme, but it is fairly easy to add the wallpaper from greybird to lightdm
[19:50] it's css, so maybe we can use parts of the gtk3 theme when it's ready
[19:50] Thank you, ochosi
[19:50] not sure though
[19:50] np
[19:50] That would be great!
[19:50] any questions for artwork?
[19:51] Anyone that wants to work on the theme for lightdm for Xubuntu?
[19:51] (a plymouth theme is also needed :)
[19:51] yeah, that's a lot harder
[19:51] mr_pouit: seriously?
[19:51] oh, you mean if we don't want to keep the current one :)
[19:51] We been needing one for a while now
[19:52] does anyone here have experience with that?
[19:52] \o
[19:52] /o\
[19:52] * astraljava is not an artist by a long stretch
[19:52] I would love to see the current wallpaper as a plymouth background too :)
[19:52] charlie-tca, you don't want a new wallpaper for oneiric? :P
[19:53] hehe
[19:53] ochosi: my experience: take the ubuntu-logo plymouth script, change some random colors and the logo, and poof, here's xubuntu-logo plymouth theme
[19:53] but that's not very great
[19:53] If we have a good one come into view, we might grab it
[19:53] mr_pouit, that's greater than alexander the great!
[19:53] mr_pouit: how does that work? could we add animations? if yes, how?
[19:53] but wouldn't it be great to see the current wallpaper a plymouth theme?
[19:54] charlie-tca, we'll create something with ochosi, that's for sure. if not for oneiric, for the new greybird release then
[19:54] ochosi: you can do that if you know the scripting language used
[19:54] We could splash XUBUNTU across it even, it white or yellow
[19:54] charlie-tca, the current, or maybe the forthcoming
[19:54] mr_pouit: pfff. not sure i want to learn something so useful outside of plymouth
[19:54] well definitely not yellow, that would remind me of sweden too much
[19:54] but anyway, I'll have to update our plymouth script for oneiric, because the natty one doesn't display fsck progress
[19:54] mr_pouit, what's the script language there?
[19:54] that's right.
[19:55] knome: plymouth specific apparently =]
[19:55] Okay, I will go looking at plymouth, if I can figure out how to
[19:55] mr_pouit, awwh, resembles... ?
[19:56] It looks like C
[19:56] somebody good with C?
[19:56] madnick maybe? :)
[19:56] I don't know any of those, so I should be good to go, huh?
[19:56] Not good with animations however :)
[19:56] well, we can get artists helping you
[19:57] (ochosi)
[19:57] * knome hides
[19:57] I could look into stuff
[19:57] great!
[19:57] |o/
[19:57] madnick, seriously, ping me or ochosi when/if you need help with the artistic part
[19:57] okay
[19:57] [ACTION] madnick to look into plymouth theme, with help from knome and ochosi for animations
[19:57] Thank you, madnick
[19:58] :)
[19:58] i don't think we need any fancy animations really, right?
[19:58] right
[19:58] just something to indicate progress
[19:58] oh yes, i want a spinning wheel and a diamond and a unicorn that rides into the sunset!
[19:58] ochosi, still?
[19:58] See, and the wallpaper has the sunset!
[19:59] haha
[19:59] please remember mouse is our mascot, so the unicorn must be riding a mouse, or the other way around!!
[19:59] :)
[19:59] and not on the horn, either ;)
[19:59] haha
[20:00] * ochosi jots everything down for the next xubuntu wallpaper draft
[20:00] [TOPIC] === Announcements ===
[20:00] ochosi, gosh! ;)
[20:00] let's get through this
[20:00] * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-31 at 22:00 UTC
[20:00] * Important dates coming up:
[20:01] * 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
[20:01] * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
[20:01] * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[20:01] * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
[20:01] * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[20:01] anything else?
[20:01]