2015-04-07

Meeting information

Meeting summary

Open action items

The discussion about "Open action items" started at 20:01.

  • ACTION: Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs

  • ACTION: elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda

  • ACTION: knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion

Team updates

The discussion about "Team updates" started at 20:06.

  • ochosi pushed some fixes to Greybird, but likely too minor for 15.04
  • testing for b2 went ok, bugs about - more global than us
  • figures in for QA incentive
  • ochosi prepared a (hacky) patch for ubiquity-dm to hide the desktop icons in bug #1437180
  • exo and thunar fixes uploaded to vivid.
  • March sticker pack winner is PaulW2U
  • Final Beta sticker pack winner is saqman2060
  • ACTION: elfy to tie up with pleia2 re contacting them both

Discussion items

The discussion about "Discussion items" started at 20:12.

  • Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop (20:13)

    • ACTION: ochosi to get in touch with bluesabre about the patch for ubiquity, and xfdesktop icons.

  • GIMP in the default seed (mailing list discussion) (20:22)

  • Default office applications (mailing list discussion) (20:48)

    • Vote: drop gnumeric/abiword from the seed (Carried)

    • Vote: Add Libreoffice or parts of it to the seed (Denied)

    • ACTION: ochosi to follow up the office discussion on the ML.

  • Default game change (mailing list discussion) (20:57)

    • ACTION: knome to be in touch with bluesabre on sgt-puzzles launcher

  • March/Beta 2 Incentive winners (21:10)

Announcements

The discussion about "Announcements" started at 21:15.

anything else?

The discussion about "anything else?" started at 21:20.

Vote results

Action items, by person

  • elfy
    • elfy to tie up with pleia2 re contacting them both
  • knome
    • knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion
    • knome to be in touch with bluesabre on sgt-puzzles launcher
  • ochosi
    • knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion
    • ochosi to get in touch with bluesabre about the patch for ubiquity, and xfdesktop icons.
    • ochosi to follow up with the gimp discussion on the list.
    • ochosi to follow up the office discussion on the ML.
  • pleia2
    • elfy to tie up with pleia2 re contacting them both

Done items

  • Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs
  • elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda

People present (lines said)

  • Unit193 (106)
  • knome (105)
  • ochosi (73)
  • elfy (68)
  • meetingology (43)
  • micahg (27)
  • slickymaster (23)
  • dkessel (4)
  • pleia2 (2)
  • ubottu (1)
  • genii (1)

Full Log

  • 20:00 <Unit193> #startmeeting

    20:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 7 20:00:18 2015 UTC. The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

    20:00 <meetingology>

    20:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

    20:00 <Unit193> #chair knome

    20:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome

    20:00 <Unit193> Howdy everyone.

    20:00 <elfy> evening

    20:00 <Unit193> welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

    20:01 <Unit193> Anyone else around? If not, this'll be nice and short.

    20:01 <Unit193> #topic Open action items

    20:01 <elfy> who knows

    20:02 <Unit193> elfy: Did we tie up everything for xubuntu-core testing?

    20:02 <elfy> afaik

    20:02 <Unit193> Great, same here. I didn't see anything else needing testing.

    20:02 <Unit193> #done Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs

    20:02 <Unit193> #done elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda

    20:03 <Unit193> knome: Did you talk to ochosi about setting up a team vote? 20:04 * ochosi doesn't recall being talked to 20:04 * Unit193 gives ochosi a stern talking to.

    20:04 <ochosi> but it couldn have happened a longer time ago so maybe i don't remember

    20:04 <Unit193> Alright, we'll carry forward...

    20:04 <ochosi> team vote about what?

    20:05 <Unit193> "ACTION: knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion"

    20:05 <Unit193> That's what I see.

    20:05 <ochosi> yeah, i know

    20:05 <ochosi> but no topic

    20:05 <Unit193> That's all I know.

    20:05 <ochosi> awesome Smile :)

    20:05 <elfy> another one of those carried forward ad infinitum that we've all forgotten the topic off now?

    20:05 <ochosi> i guess i'll just "allow more time for discussion" Big Grin :)

    20:06 <elfy> ha ha ha

    20:06 <Unit193> #nick knome

    20:06 <Unit193> #action knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion 20:06 * meetingology knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion

    20:06 <Unit193> #topic Team updates

    20:06 <Unit193> Free for all, any updatese?

    20:06 <elfy> perhaps there should be a #action make the agenda make sense ...

    20:07 <slickymaster> sorry for being late guys, but it's dinner time over here and the little doesn't make any compromises

    20:07 <ochosi> #info ochosi pushed some fixes to Greybird, but likely too minor for 15.04

    20:07 <elfy> #info testing for b2 went ok, bugs about - more global than us

    20:07 <elfy> #info figures in for QA incentive

    20:07 <ochosi> #info ochosi prepared a (hacky) patch for ubiquity-dm to hide the desktop icons in bug #1437180

    20:07 <ubottu> bug 1437180 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437180

    20:07 <Unit193> #info exo and thunar fixes uploaded to vivid.

    20:08 <Unit193> ochosi: Ah good.

    20:08 <elfy> #info March sticker pack winner is PaulW2U

    20:08 <elfy> #info Final Beta sticker pack winner is saqman2060

    20:08 <elfy> #action elfy to tie up with pleia2 re contacting them both 20:08 * meetingology elfy to tie up with pleia2 re contacting them both

    20:09 <ochosi> if any of you wanna chime in about the ubiquity-dm fix, feel free to get in touch

    20:09 <elfy> ?

    20:10 <slickymaster> I had some #info items, but I don't know now where I placed them :P

    20:10 <ochosi> elfy: well i dunno, if you have an opinion on it etc

    20:10 <elfy> oh

    20:10 <elfy> the icon issue?

    20:10 <ochosi> yeah

    20:11 <elfy> I only really had one thing to find out - and bluesabre put my mind at rest

    20:11 <ochosi> the question (partly) is: is the situation bad enough that we want a hacky fix pushed that we'll have to revert in 15.10

    20:11 <Unit193> We could move this to discussions. :P

    20:11 <micahg> is there a bug in xfdesktop?

    20:11 <elfy> I would agree they look a bit daft - but maybe better to leave well alone over the next 3 weeks

    20:12 <knome> i'm here.

    20:12 <ochosi> Unit193: agreed, let's discuss it a bit later (also re: micahg Smile :) )

    20:12 <Unit193> #topic Discussion items

    20:12 <Unit193> ochosi: Want a subtopic right now?

    20:12 <pleia2> elfy: thanks, happy to ship off the stickers this week

    20:12 <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, let's do that

    20:13 <Unit193> #subtopic Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop

    20:13 <Unit193> ochosi: Have at it.

    20:13 <elfy> pleia2: cool - I'll mail them as QA and cc you in as we did last time 20:13 * pleia2 thumbs up

    20:13 <elfy> Smile :)

    20:13 <ochosi> ok, so the problem is quite easily explained, we use xfdesktop to draw the wallpaper in our ubiquity install-only session

    20:14 <ochosi> in 15.10 we'll likely switch to feh for drawing the wallpaper

    20:14 <ochosi> just makes more sense, xfdesktop has far too many features and all we really want is a wallpaper below ubiquity

    20:14 <ochosi> so the diff i attached on the bugreport basically switches the icons on the desktop setting off via an xfconf-query call

    20:15 <ochosi> it's really not a pretty solution

    20:15 <ochosi> but it'll do the trick

    20:15 <ochosi> micahg: thoughts? ^

    20:16 <micahg> if that's the best option and only affects us, I think that's fine

    20:16 <ochosi> tbh i don't know about "best"

    20:16 <ochosi> but the release date is closing in on us, and we might want a fix

    20:16 <Unit193> micahg: By default, it'll affect Studio too. Myth doesn't release except for LTSes though.

    20:17 <ochosi> yeah, that's true

    20:17 <Unit193> Generally speaking, studio is less concerned with the desktop, and more interested in a/v.

    20:17 <micahg> looks relatively harmless

    20:17 <ochosi> yeah, i tested the xfconf command in a ubiquity live session

    20:18 <ochosi> actually there's even a second setting i would change, but i don't want to add another 6 lines for almost nothing

    20:18 <ochosi> (disable the right-click menu on the desktop, which allows launching of any other app)

    20:18 <Unit193> Racy?

    20:19 <ochosi> well, possibly

    20:19 <ochosi> you mean in case xfsettingsd hasnt started yet?

    20:19 <ochosi> dunno whether these commands are called synchronously or async

    20:20 <ochosi> generally speaking, calling xfsettingsd and then xfdesktop could also be considered racy

    20:20 <ochosi> brb

    20:21 <Unit193> Alright, well either way bluesabre isn't here, so.

    20:21 <micahg> let's keep an eye on timing, final freeze is next week

    20:22 <Unit193> #action ochosi to get in touch with bluesabre about the patch for ubiquity, and xfdesktop icons. 20:22 * meetingology ochosi to get in touch with bluesabre about the patch for ubiquity, and xfdesktop icons.

    20:22 <Unit193> Any other remarks on this topic?

    20:22 <elfy> not from me

    20:22 <micahg> the trick with patching ubiquity is if there's a problem later, it's much harder to change

    20:22 <Unit193> Indeed.

    20:22 <micahg> just FYI

    20:22 <Unit193> #subtopic GIMP in the default seed (mailing list discussion)

    20:23 <micahg> ooh, idr seeing that

    20:23 <Unit193> knome: ^

    20:23 <knome> nnniiiice.

    20:24 <knome> well, it's the mailing list discussion.

    20:24 <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-January/010560.html

    20:24 <knome> i don't think there is a conclusion

    20:24 <micahg> oh, was a while ago

    20:25 <elfy> yea - these have been dragging their heels, mostly because 15.10

    20:25 <ochosi> back

    20:25 <knome> the gimp discussion wasn't also very long

    20:25 <Unit193> Same discussion every time, it's overkill, but there's no good simple editors.

    20:25 <knome> i think the thing that we know now (again) is that there isn't really a suitable replacement, because there really isn't

    20:25 <knome> yep

    20:25 <dkessel> Is pinta an option?

    20:25 <Unit193> No.

    20:25 <knome> so maybe the question is: does the still want to stick with GIMP?

    20:26 <knome> *the team

    20:26 <knome> or is it a valid option to drop it

    20:26 <Unit193> dkessel: There were a couple reasons, but mono is the biggest one.

    20:26 <micahg> pinta will pull in mono

    20:26 <ochosi> knome: what would be your main argument for dropping it?

    20:26 <Unit193> micahg: o/\o

    20:26 <dkessel> ok

    20:26 <knome> ochosi, it's huge, it's much more than a regular user needs

    20:27 <slickymaster> what about MyPaint?

    20:27 <knome> i don't think it has ever specifically contributed to the "xubuntu experience", we've been shipping it because some users and team members like it shipped 20:28 * Unit193

    20:29 <micahg> Description-en: paint program for use with graphics tablets

    20:29 <micahg> ?

    20:29 <Unit193> http://mypaint.info/

    20:29 <knome> micahg, that's misleading, but it's not like gimp, it's a drawing app more than an image editor

    20:29 <slickymaster> thanks Unit193

    20:29 <ochosi> yeah, the gimp does both

    20:29 <Unit193> The pictures are scaring me.

    20:29 <knome> micahg, and it is better with graphic tablets.

    20:30 <Unit193> So, seems to be something we're not looking at.

    20:30 <ochosi> so we'd have to first think what aspect of gimp we'd like to replace with *something*

    20:30 <micahg> yes 20:30 * knome facepalms

    20:30 <knome> that discussion has come and gone

    20:30 <ochosi> yeah Smile :)

    20:30 <knome> you can refer to the old comparison in the wiki

    20:30 <Unit193> Yes,and ristretto still hasn't learned how to resize. :P

    20:30 <ochosi> it probably would make sense to do one of those

    20:30 <knome> the fact is that there is no suitable app that does it

    20:31 <knome> it being the features we want to replace in gimp

    20:31 <Unit193> So while it's overkill, it does what we need and can't find something else to do it.

    20:31 <knome> but instead of shipping the huge gimp because there isn't an alternative, and kind of giving up, why don't we drop it?

    20:32 <micahg> xpaint seems to have the same "features" in th wiki

    20:33 <ochosi> we could also switch back to shipping gthumb and drop ristretto and gimp

    20:34 <genii> Too bad theres no gimp-minimal

    20:34 <Unit193> Meh, always thought gthumb was useless.

    20:34 <knome> micahg, no version update since precise

    20:34 <micahg> isn't it a little late in the cycle to be updating seeds?

    20:34 <knome> yeah, let's not reintroduce gthumb

    20:34 <Unit193> micahg: For wombat.

    20:34 <micahg> ah

    20:34 <Unit193> I'd like to table this so we can move on to the next disucssion that's neverending. :P

    20:35 <knome> ochosi, we can write a small script set that allowed the user to handle their images from thunar

    20:35 <knome> ochosi, just link that to a custom action for all images.

    20:35 <knome> resize, rotate, you name it

    20:35 <ochosi> you mean via imagemagick?

    20:35 <knome> yep.

    20:36 <knome> those who need more complex tools can install one from the repositories

    20:36 <dkessel> +1

    20:36 <ochosi> we can also try to add those features to ristretto at some point

    20:36 <knome> imagemagick can even write text

    20:36 <knome> so you can do a lolcat generator

    20:37 <ochosi> ouch

    20:37 <micahg> what about shutter?

    20:37 <knome> well i mean, wasn't that one of our prerequisites for the iamge editor...

    20:37 <knome> micahg, the right place to do proposals for apps is the mailing list thread

    20:38 <knome> i don't think it's a good use of everybody's time to mull over those in a meeting

    20:38 <Unit193> We're discussing it now. :P

    20:38 <ochosi> isn't that a screenshot tool?

    20:38 <micahg> yes, but it does have a nice editor in it

    20:38 <ochosi> oh

    20:38 <ochosi> i didn't know about that

    20:38 <micahg> 2 for 1 Smile :)

    20:38 <knome> we have the xfce screenshooter..

    20:39 <Unit193> Description does seem very screenshooter centric.

    20:39 <knome> Unit193, and their website is awful without js..

    20:40 <dkessel> Doesn't look like it can open existing files, or can it?

    20:41 <micahg> yes, it can

    20:42 <ochosi> generally speaking, i don't mind dropping one of our apps for 15.10, also in terms of getting user feedback (i know, the vocal minority and all, but better than no feedback)

    20:42 <knome> set up a team vote and get on with it.

    20:42 <knome> :

    20:42 <knome> Smile :)

    20:43 <ochosi> we can do one now if you guys and gals agree that that's a good idea Smile :)

    20:43 <ochosi> it's sorta funky timing with 15.04 not even released, but whatever

    20:44 <elfy> it'll get some votes done, rest of team can vote on m/l 20:44 * slickymaster agrees with elfy

    20:44 <knome> wfm

    20:45 <knome> Unit193, shall you set the poll up?

    20:45 <Unit193> #vote Drop The GIMP from the default seed

    20:45 <meetingology> Please vote on: Drop The GIMP from the default seed

    20:45 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:45 <knome> does +1 mean drop?

    20:45 <ochosi> yeah

    20:45 <Unit193> Yes.

    20:45 <Unit193> -1

    20:45 <meetingology> -1 received from Unit193

    20:45 <knome> just making sure.

    20:45 <knome> +1

    20:45 <meetingology> +1 received from knome

    20:45 <micahg> -1

    20:45 <meetingology> -1 received from micahg

    20:45 <elfy> +0

    20:45 <meetingology> +0 received from elfy

    20:45 <ochosi> +0

    20:45 <meetingology> +0 received from ochosi

    20:45 <Unit193> slickymaster

    20:46 <knome> elfy, ochosi: does "+0" mean that you don't mind if it's in the seed or not? and if yes, wouldn't it mean it's better not to be on the seed since it can save space and hassle?

    20:46 <knome> not trying to impact your opinion, just asking.

    20:46 <slickymaster> +0

    20:46 <meetingology> +0 received from slickymaster

    20:46 <Unit193> #endvote

    20:46 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Drop The GIMP from the default seed

    20:46 <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:3

    20:46 <meetingology> Motion denied

    20:46 <knome> slickymaster, ^ same question to you

    20:46 <elfy> I've no opinion on it - hence sitting on the fence

    20:47 <slickymaster> exactly what you said knome, I don't mind if it's on the seed or not.

    20:47 <Unit193> So, ochosi to carry over to the mailing list?

    20:47 <ochosi> allllright

    20:47 <knome> slickymaster, what about the second question?

    20:48 <Unit193> #action ochosi to follow up with the gimp discussion on the list. 20:48 * meetingology ochosi to follow up with the gimp discussion on the list. 20:48 * slickymaster lost that one

    20:48 <slickymaster> what was it again knome?

    20:48 <ochosi> knome: it can save space, not sure it'll really save us hassle. so far i don't remember any really critical bugreport related to gimp for us

    20:48 <ochosi> but yeah, i'm open to dropping it

    20:48 <elfy> moving on perhaps

    20:48 <knome> slickymaster, that if you don't care, wouldn't it pragmatically be better to drop it since it would save space and potential hassle

    20:48 <ochosi> not convinced, but ok with it

    20:48 <Unit193> #subtopic Default office applications (mailing list discussion)

    20:49 <Unit193> elfy: Please, yes.

    20:49 <ochosi> oh man, and another one...

    20:49 <knome> but yeah, no need to stretch the discussion...

    20:49 <slickymaster> tbh I usualy uninistall it knome

    20:49 <elfy> we've had the discussions haven't we?

    20:49 <Unit193> Yeah, so LO is much bigger, but more compatible.

    20:49 <Unit193> elfy: Not in meeting.

    20:49 <knome> elfy, yes, on the mailing list

    20:50 <elfy> I'm putting the kettle on ...

    20:50 <ochosi> elfy: make some for me too

    20:50 <Unit193> Right, so it's been discussed. Anyone ready to make a motion as to voting?

    20:51 <ochosi> but the vote would be to just drop abiword/gnumeric or replace them with LO?

    20:51 <Unit193> ochosi: Exactly, hence why I didn't just make one.

    20:52 <ochosi> knome: ?

    20:52 <knome> ochosi, i imagine two polls.

    20:52 <Unit193> There's also online docs which people use, so dropping is an option.

    20:52 <knome> ochosi, 1) frop abiword/gnumeric or not?

    20:52 <knome> *drop

    20:52 <knome> ochosi, if 1) yes, 2) install LO?

    20:52 <elfy> yes - but vote 2 could depend on vote 1

    20:52 <ochosi> k, i'd be fine with two

    20:52 <knome> elfy, yep.

    20:52 <Unit193> #vote drop gnumeric/abiword from the seed

    20:52 <meetingology> Please vote on: drop gnumeric/abiword from the seed

    20:52 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:52 <micahg> -1

    20:52 <meetingology> -1 received from micahg

    20:52 <ochosi> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi

    20:52 <elfy> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from elfy

    20:52 <knome> and to make sure, +1 is DROP, -1 is NO DROP

    20:52 <slickymaster> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from slickymaster

    20:53 <knome> blah.

    20:53 <ochosi> knome: yeah yeah Wink ;)

    20:53 <Unit193> -1

    20:53 <meetingology> -1 received from Unit193

    20:53 <knome> ochosi, for the log readers and all.

    20:53 <knome> +0

    20:53 <meetingology> +0 received from knome

    20:53 <Unit193> Think that's everyone now.

    20:53 <ochosi> yup

    20:53 <Unit193> #endvote

    20:53 <meetingology> Voting ended on: drop gnumeric/abiword from the seed

    20:53 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:2 Abstentions:1

    20:53 <meetingology> Motion carried

    20:54 <Unit193> Right, anyone wanting to carry that to the list? knome?

    20:54 <elfy> and the next one is to have calc and writer only?

    20:54 <knome> nnooo

    20:54 <slickymaster> lol

    20:54 <ochosi> knome: sure you do Wink ;)

    20:54 <knome> ochosi can do that in the same email

    20:54 <Unit193> #vote Add Libreoffice or parts of it to the seed

    20:54 <meetingology> Please vote on: Add Libreoffice or parts of it to the seed

    20:54 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:54 <Unit193> -1

    20:54 <meetingology> -1 received from Unit193

    20:54 <micahg> -1

    20:54 <meetingology> -1 received from micahg

    20:54 <knome> -1

    20:54 <meetingology> -1 received from knome

    20:54 <elfy> +1

    20:54 <meetingology> +1 received from elfy

    20:54 <slickymaster> +1

    20:54 <meetingology> +1 received from slickymaster

    20:54 <ochosi> knome: no, that would be too confusing

    20:54 <knome> ochosi, :P

    20:55 <knome> ochosi, i'll do it then... but in a way, this vote makes no sense until the vote on the ML has ended

    20:55 <Unit193> ochosi: Votre, man!

    20:55 <ochosi> oui!

    20:55 <knome> because if most people want to keep abiword/gnumeric, we aren't installing LO..

    20:55 <ochosi> +0

    20:55 <meetingology> +0 received from ochosi

    20:56 <Unit193> #endvote

    20:56 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Add Libreoffice or parts of it to the seed

    20:56 <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:3 Abstentions:1

    20:56 <meetingology> Motion denied

    20:56 <knome> ochosi, hah :P

    20:56 <slickymaster> so, no LO, no abiword and gnumeric

    20:56 <Unit193> #action ochosi to follow up the office discussion on the ML. 20:56 * meetingology ochosi to follow up the office discussion on the ML.

    20:56 <slickymaster> :P

    20:56 <knome> yeah, based on this portion of the team

    20:56 <knome> oopsie. now ochosi has to do it

    20:56 <ochosi> Unit193: maaaan

    20:57 <Unit193> #subtopic Default game change (mailing list discussion)

    20:57 <knome> woohoo!

    20:57 <micahg> hrm, I really think it needs to be one vote, unless we're looking to not have a replacement (or there are other alternatives besides LO(

    20:57 <elfy> and this one - I assume we're talking about sgt ?

    20:57 <Unit193> micahg: Well, technically online docs or the KDE one.

    20:57 <Unit193> elfy: It's whatever you put on there. Big Grin :)

    20:58 <knome> i would vote for the sgt-puzzles on ONE CONDITION

    20:58 <elfy> Unit193: I didn't ...

    20:58 <Unit193> It doesn't look so ugly?

    20:58 <knome> that somebody (bluesabre) makes a game selector app for it

    20:58 <knome> and that it only appears as one menu item, not bazillion

    20:58 <knome> currently it's too obtrusive.

    20:58 <elfy> I'd not say that

    20:59 <knome> ...in my opinion

    20:59 <knome> :P

    20:59 <elfy> unless you happen to have bunches of games installed Smile :)

    20:59 <elfy> then I'd agree with you

    20:59 <knome> i have a few to tenish depending on the machine

    21:00 <knome> the sheer amount of games is baffling.

    21:00 <knome> i wouldn't say it would be best to split them to separate packages...

    21:00 <knome> ...but i'd like that personally. i only fancy less than 10 of them anyway

    21:01 <elfy> shall we shelve this and see what bluesabre's opinion on that possibility is first?

    21:01 <ochosi> fwiw, i'll put the office vote-stuff in one email since the votes are directly related

    21:01 <knome> ochosi, yep.

    21:01 <knome> elfy, he's said it's possible, i wouldn't have brought it up otherwise Smile :)

    21:01 <Unit193> elfy: Yes, was thinking the same.

    21:02 <elfy> knome: I assumed but that gets tricky in months time Wink ;)

    21:02 <knome> elfy, because?

    21:02 <elfy> because then I find that what I assumed isn't the case Wink ;)

    21:03 <knome> heh

    21:03 <Unit193> knome: How would you like to carry it on? Re: meetingology?

    21:03 <knome> we can surely get an official response from sean to this

    21:03 <elfy> and it'spossible isn't the same as it's possible and I've got time

    21:03 <knome> i guess: what do other people feel about sgt-puxxles?

    21:03 <knome> s/xx/zz/

    21:03 <elfy> s'ok

    21:04 <knome> is it worth even investigating to creating a game selector

    21:04 <slickymaster> I don't know it, but I honestly don't pay attention to games

    21:04 <elfy> I just think that 'games' in our install is stale - all we seem to have done is remove a couple and leave it

    21:04 <knome> briefly, it's a collection of dozens of small puzzle games

    21:04 <knome> that are a great short distraction

    21:05 <knome> not something you'd play for hours

    21:06 <Unit193> So, I'm hearing a "Why bother?" "I don't really care." and "They are a short distraction."

    21:06 <slickymaster> the way I see the discussion about the games is that everyone always use the argument that people paly them while installing the iso

    21:07 <knome> Unit193, i was trying to give a brief description for them. i'm all +1 if we can get the number of menu items down.

    21:07 <elfy> and I'm +1 for ringing the changes

    21:07 <Unit193> knome: Right, yours seems to reflect that.

    21:07 <micahg> needs to use exo-open or xdg-open

    21:07 <micahg> with that change, I'd be ok including it

    21:07 <knome> on the other hand, if we decided to ship no games, i would be completely fine with that too

    21:08 <elfy> mmm

    21:08 <Unit193> Alright, so lets carry this forward to when bluesabre is here, alright?

    21:08 <knome> so to be crystal clear...

    21:08 <elfy> then if we go that way and no abiword/gnumeric or replacement - just work with core

    21:08 <knome> i'm "+0" on "ship games or not ship games", but if we are shipping, then i'm "+1 sgt-puzzles if they have a single launcher"

    21:09 <Unit193> Good to know.

    21:09 <knome> elfy, but ff/tb/etc

    21:09 <Unit193> elfy: There's still afew things.

    21:09 <elfy> Unit193: I'm good with getting bluesabre's input before deciding

    21:09 <elfy> Unit193: yea Smile :)

    21:09 <elfy> knome:

    21:09 <knome> #action knome to be in touch with bluesabre on sgt-puzzles launcher 21:09 * meetingology knome to be in touch with bluesabre on sgt-puzzles launcher

    21:09 <knome> move on.

    21:10 <Unit193> Great.

    21:10 <Unit193> #subtopic March/Beta 2 Incentive winners

    21:10 <elfy> again ...

    21:10 <elfy> I info'd that

    21:10 <elfy> and I've mailed them both already

    21:10 <Unit193> Yep, it was there, wasn't sure if there's anything else to discuss.

    21:10 <Unit193> Alright, so we're moving on then.

    21:10 <elfy> I do have a point

    21:10 <elfy> however ...

    21:10 <Unit193> Ah, great.

    21:11 <elfy> all the time we've been discussing this I've been - shouldn't include team

    21:11 <elfy> but as I do the figures every month I feel rather sorry for jjfrv8 Wink ;)

    21:11 <elfy> who tests like a ninja

    21:12 <ochosi> we could give him an honorary sticker?

    21:12 <elfy> or do a whole cycle for team winner set

    21:12 <elfy> excluding me though

    21:13 <ochosi> right, i'd be fine with either

    21:13 <ochosi> personally, i dont think we have to make a rule up for everything

    21:13 <elfy> ok - I'll check with pleia2 to make sure we've got enough - pretty sure we do

    21:13 <Unit193> Action? Big Grin :)

    21:13 <elfy> unless anyone has an issue with that ofc

    21:13 <knome> practically, we will run out of non-team testers who haven't won soon anyway... 21:13 * knome hides

    21:14 <slickymaster> bad knome

    21:14 <knome> baaa-aa-aaaa!

    21:14 <elfy> knome: I'm only too aware of how few people we have testing that tell us Sad :(

    21:15 <elfy> Unit193: if nothing else - point made Smile :)

    21:15 <Unit193> elfy: Ta.

    21:15 <ochosi> i'm actually more optimistic after seeing the numbers

    21:15 <Unit193> #topic Announcements

    21:15 <elfy> final freeze next week

    21:16 <knome> the numbers aren't too bad.

    21:16 <elfy> and RC testing

    21:16 <elfy> if they do that

    21:16 <Unit193> #info 9th Non-Language Pack Translation Deadline

    21:16 <elfy> if not Final Release testing the following week

    21:16 <slickymaster> next thursday that one Unit193

    21:16 <Unit193> #info 16th Final Freeze

    21:17 <knome> slickymaster, "9th"

    21:17 <Unit193> slickymaster: Calendar seems to think 9th.

    21:17 <elfy> slickymaster: not according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule

    21:17 <Unit193> #info 26th Xubuntu 12.04 EOL

    21:17 <Unit193> Any others? micahg ?

    21:17 <slickymaster> btw knome, did you saw isn't next thursday the 9th?!

    21:17 <slickymaster> lol

    21:17 <elfy> oh yea - we going to do an announce on blog for 12.04 ?

    21:17 <slickymaster> isn't next thursday the 9th?!

    21:17 <micahg> Unit193: you mean 10.04 EOL?

    21:18 <micahg> oh, no, that's right

    21:18 <Unit193> micahg: Xubuntu went for 3.

    21:18 <knome> micahg, no, xubuntu 12.04 has only 3 years support..

    21:18 <Unit193> Hah, oh well. D:

    21:18 <knome> slickymaster, Unit193 is right.

    21:18 <knome> #info 16th LanguagePackTranslationDeadline

    21:20 <Unit193> #topic anything else?

    21:20 <Unit193> Schedule next meeting

    21:20 <knome> who's in turn order :P

    21:20 <elfy> slickymaster next

    21:20 <Unit193> Great, slickymaster has to schedule it, and all that jazz! Big Grin :)

    21:20 <slickymaster> I'll do that later

    21:20 <Unit193> #endmeeting

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