meeting
1 <Silver_Fox_> Agenda - http://ubft.pastebin.com/Q0WDyfkH
2 <hobgoblin> the draft was better
3 <Silver_Fox_> Probably
4 <Silver_Fox_> Anyway, I say skip number 1
5 <Silver_Fox_> We are all here and have been for some time
6 <hobgoblin> yep
7 <uRock> si
8 <Silver_Fox_> Okay, well #2 is pretty straight forward
9 <phillw> I'd suggest darkod from the forum area, if he has time to join, I've worked with him and he is a really good guy.
10 <Silver_Fox_> Any suggestions for people who you think could add to the group? We will take any nomination seriously, though we ask that forum activity is a must
11 <hobgoblin> phillw: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=946366
12 <hobgoblin> that one?
13 <hobgoblin> we have wojox and k3lt01 more or less on board I think
14 <phillw> the very same man, I was just dragging up his details.
15 <uRock> two great minds
16 <Silver_Fox_> Indeed :)
17 <uRock> those are the two I have seen contributing a lot lately
18 <phillw> well, kansassn00b is a bit tied up with stuff atm, he's an excellent person and does a lot of help, as does oldfred
19 <Silver_Fox_> Yes, I would also like to add that I broke my duck today. I am back on the forum plugging away. I am sound of mind once again :)
20 <hobgoblin> wojox is in the bt help channel, just PMd him
21 <Silver_Fox_> Apparently ;)
22 <hobgoblin> both good people I think phillw
23 <phillw> I know them from my time in the 10.04 test cycle.
24 <Silver_Fox_> Thank you for the suggestion :)
25 <Silver_Fox_> Shall we wait for wojox or move on to the next item ?
26 <hobgoblin> I think that if we see people in ABT and GH a lot we need to talk about them amongst ourselves first
27 <Silver_Fox_> Okay, that sounds like a good idea
28 <Silver_Fox_> On that basis i see ajgreeny a lot
29 <hobgoblin> I would wait - if new to irc it might take a while to see the tab in webchat
30 <hobgoblin> aaah - yes that one
31 <hobgoblin> I see a lot of people and it is hard to remember the good ones ...
32 <Silver_Fox_> Profile - http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=27747
33 <phillw> Silver_Fox_: you can have a forum on my phillw.net area, or you can have a sub-section that is password protected / hidden etc.
34 <hobgoblin> wojox has quit
35 <phillw> ufbt.phillw.net, or you can apply a domain name
36 <Silver_Fox_> phillw, It is very kind to offer :)
37 <hobgoblin> might be worth talking to bodhi about ajgreeny, I'd be surprised if they were not approcahed at the beginning of BT
38 <Silver_Fox_> We have a number of domains already registered phillw :)
39 <phillw> I can have it pointed over quite quickly, though you would have to slum it with a phpBB3 forum (I cannnot afford Vb)
40 <Silver_Fox_> Why do we need a forum? - sorry, got to ask
41 <hobgoblin> I'd say we have one already
42 <Silver_Fox_> So do I
43 <phillw> 3) How to improve the teams output - Possibly recommend forum sections that are off the beaten track (i.e. Not ABT or General Help) ?
44 <phillw> Or am i reading the wrong set of notes?
45 <hobgoblin> oic - we were meaning the other sub-forums
46 <hobgoblin> that tend to get forgotten
47 <Silver_Fox_> Sorry, sub forums
48 <Silver_Fox_> Yes
49 <Silver_Fox_> The masses flock to abt and general help
50 <Silver_Fox_> Installation & Upgrades is one i like to look in - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333
51 <hobgoblin> yep
52 <uRock> I watch that one, too
53 <phillw> " forum sections that are off the beaten track" was my suggestion, one just for ufbt would do that :-|
54 <hobgoblin> though I would say that the more specific sub forums have people wandering in them anyway
55 <Silver_Fox_> +1
56 <Silver_Fox_> Hardware & Laptops is another I keep my eye on (no pun intended) - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=332
57 * collinp (~collin@ubuntu/member/hellow) has joined ##ufbt-meeting
58 <uRock> I've tried looking for threads in the Testimonial that could use redirection, but find myself falling for the flames, so I quit visiting it.
59 <hobgoblin> 2 excellent new stickies in there
60 <phillw> you're late, I hope you've got a note
61 <Silver_Fox_> The problem with that forum is that it is often to late
62 <collinp> phillw: Does skinned foot count?
63 <hobgoblin> testimonials is not a support forum anyway
64 <uRock> yes
65 <Silver_Fox_> It is not for support as hobgoblin says
66 <hobgoblin> quick recap for collinp
67 <Silver_Fox_> It is simply feedback for the devs that do not hang around on the forum anyway ;)
68 <phillw> Silver_Fox_: I also keep an eye on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333
69 <uRock> ^^ I can help with installs, but upgrades are my arch nemesis
70 <Silver_Fox_> ;)
71 <Silver_Fox_> :)
72 <hobgoblin> collinp: we are looking for people on the forum to join the team - the team is not about anything other than support - much like the BT was at the start - and getting away from the 'politics' that BT ended up with - putting the fun back into what we do
73 <collinp> Ah
74 <collinp> Many of the remaining old-timers from the BT would probably work well.
75 <Silver_Fox_> We are only interested in Forum support
76 <Silver_Fox_> Hmm, maybe collinp
77 <hobgoblin> collinp: yes - but we do not want a wholesale implant - we are picky :) if that does not sound ungrateful
78 <collinp> Ah.
79 <hobgoblin> hence the meeting is not in the channel
80 <Silver_Fox_> Yes, nor is it particularly well organised
81 <Silver_Fox_> / advertised
82 <Silver_Fox_> ;)
83 <hobgoblin> collinp: there are 2 or 3 that are missing - bodhi and drs to start with
84 <Silver_Fox_> And wojox
85 <hobgoblin> AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOCILA FROUP ON THE FORUM THERE ARE A FEW MORE
86 <hobgoblin> whoops
87 <Silver_Fox_> To kick mr shouty or not...
88 <hobgoblin> so I think that catches up
89 * phillw throws in a hand-grenade http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=647614 You take him as he is, but he's a really nice guy.
90 <hobgoblin> I'd +1 him - if onyl for the bugger in every post
91 <Silver_Fox_> Ah, someone active in testing release forum
92 <Silver_Fox_> Wonderful :)
93 <Silver_Fox_> +1
94 <phillw> hobgoblin: we did say that we cannot change us 'old timers'
95 <hobgoblin> and very pro making people from testing move out onto the forum to help people installing new versions
96 <hobgoblin> I will note to PM him if we agree
97 <phillw> Silver_Fox_: not just that, but he will put a troll down so wonderfully, it is a joy to watch, :-D
98 <collinp> haha
99 <Silver_Fox_> Okay, so we have 3 potential new people to message hobgoblin . Looking good :)
100 <phillw> There are a couple on the Dev area that you may want to consider (but nor Gnome_user)
101 <hobgoblin> I have 4
102 * Silver_Fox_ counts again...
103 <hobgoblin> oldfred oldrod ranchhand kansasnoob
104 <collinp> There are a few people on what remains of the UF-UA that might be good.
105 <uRock> maybe Rubi1200, I have seen him/her give some great advice. http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1040746
106 <hobgoblin> I've noticed that one
107 <phillw> kansass I asked before, you may ask again., but he said his life had got really compilcated
108 <hobgoblin> collinp: we need names
109 <hobgoblin> phillw: oh ok - ignore that one then
110 <collinp> Iowan
111 <hobgoblin> he might - he might also be busier now he's a mod
112 <collinp> Iowan seems to be enthusiastic about helping.
113 <uRock> snowpine?
114 <hobgoblin> and ajgreeny - maight be worth asking bodhi about - I just do not believe he's not been approached before
115 <Silver_Fox_> I was looking at snowpines profile recently
116 <collinp> zkriesse
117 <collinp> tuxxy, possibly.
118 <hobgoblin> always the joker collinp
119 <Silver_Fox_> Very funny
120 <collinp> :)
121 <hobgoblin> not seen tuxxy for some while
122 <collinp> shredder12
123 <collinp> gnomefreak
124 <hobgoblin> buggar it - I will add ajgreeny
125 <Silver_Fox_> We also need to see about sisco hobgoblin
126 <Silver_Fox_> But that one is complicated
127 <hobgoblin> oh yes
128 <hobgoblin> no - I will do it and blag it if necessary
129 <uRock> presence1960 is good, but I haven't seen him/her on for quite some time
130 <collinp> If panickedthumb ever comes back, he's good too.
131 <collinp> Last I heard some real life things were keeping him away.
132 <hobgoblin> busy busy busy he is
133 <Silver_Fox_> We all have lives :)
134 <hobgoblin> yep - but I know other stuff
135 <uRock> I don't
136 <collinp> There's also lukjad
137 <Silver_Fox_> Lukjad, has he moved out of the cafe of games section in last month?
138 <collinp> He does enjoy the games.
139 <hobgoblin> mmmm - not so sure about him - I like the guy a lot - but it is about support
140 <collinp> Lets see...
141 <phillw> well, again from the 10.04, and now the 10.10 area, you may want to stalk http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=690937
142 <Silver_Fox_> lukjad007 last two posts say it all
143 <hobgoblin> we must also tyalk to andrew again
144 <Silver_Fox_> May 9th, 2010 and June 4th, 2010
145 <collinp> Andrew?
146 <hobgoblin> but it is hard to catch him
147 <Silver_Fox_> He's been too busy to bump even
148 <hobgoblin> andrew46
149 <Silver_Fox_> I catch andrew hobgoblin
150 <Silver_Fox_> And its 47 now
151 <hobgoblin> then do so
152 <collinp> overdrank
153 <Silver_Fox_> hobgoblin, Andrew joins the channel
154 <hobgoblin> we need to get these people onto the social group so we have a list
155 <hobgoblin> Silver_Fox_: I know - but I've been missing him
156 <Silver_Fox_> Okay, perhaps we have enough to be getting on with
157 <hobgoblin> collinp: good call - I will pm him
158 <Silver_Fox_> Don't want to get swamped with people just yet, do we?
159 <hobgoblin> well a little bit, yes :)
160 <hobgoblin> I ahve 10 now
161 <Silver_Fox_> How many on the list of people to contact...10 ?
162 <hobgoblin> I'll sort a paste out - let's carry on
163 <Silver_Fox_> Thats a nice number to stop at for the time being
164 <Silver_Fox_> We can always add more later
165 <Silver_Fox_> Okay, I think we covered #3 on the agenda
166 <Silver_Fox_> collinp, http://ubft.pastebin.com/Q0WDyfkH
167 <Silver_Fox_> Agenda for you ;)
168 <collinp> aye.
169 <Silver_Fox_> So number 4...
170 <Silver_Fox_> Anyone have anything else to say ?
171 <Silver_Fox_> I have nothing
172 <collinp> Lets rock.
173 <uRock> \m/
174 <Silver_Fox_> Except I met someone special last weekend ;)
175 <uRock> kool
176 <Silver_Fox_> Sounds epic collinp
177 <Silver_Fox_> Rock on our of here!
178 <Silver_Fox_> *out
179 <Silver_Fox_> I think we are done...
180 * phillw can i beg?
181 <Silver_Fox_> Sure
182 <Silver_Fox_> :)
183 <uRock> I thought the last person in was supposed to bring donuts?
184 <phillw> if anyone would support my application for ubuntu membership could they pop a note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
185 <Silver_Fox_> Oh that, everybody say NO
186 <Silver_Fox_> :)
187 <phillw> I't's kinda embaressing to ask, but evidently I do need them
188 <Silver_Fox_> When are you up phillw ?
189 <hobgoblin> few weeks
190 <Silver_Fox_> I will attend the meeting
191 <hobgoblin> k - I have 8
192 <collinp> If I can remember, I'll attend it as well.
193 <Silver_Fox_> I do not sleep brilliantly anyway so timezones hardly matter to me
194 <Silver_Fox_> But you are in UK say yay
195 <phillw> UK
196 <hobgoblin> http://ubft.pastebin.com/pepFCNV7
197 <Silver_Fox_> yay
198 <hobgoblin> I will PM them unless there are any nays
199 <collinp> *sigh* I need to update my wiki page.
200 <phillw> I think it is september
201 <hobgoblin> phillw: 7/9
202 <Silver_Fox_> ajgreeny
203 <hobgoblin> buggar
204 * phillw still re-writing own wiki apge
205 <phillw> *page*
206 <Silver_Fox_> And still sisco
207 <hobgoblin> gah
208 <Silver_Fox_> Sorry, you did post a list master
209 <hobgoblin> any others
210 <hobgoblin> http://ubft.pastebin.com/4107ueMs
211 <uRock> HappyFeet, j/k
212 <hobgoblin> k - that is 10 again lol
213 <hobgoblin> sigh
214 <Silver_Fox_> None from me at the minute, though I may have one by next month
215 <hobgoblin> happyfeet - I would +1 but not seen for a while
216 <uRock> lol, he got his beans burnt
217 <hobgoblin> Last Activity: May 11th, 2010
218 <hobgoblin> lol uRock
219 <hobgoblin> we don't want them ones :d
220 <uRock> nope
221 <hobgoblin> star would be a good one too
222 <Silver_Fox_> You know what I think - a waste :(
223 <hobgoblin> yea - I swear these people get hammered and post and then it's a d'oh moment
224 <uRock> yup, don't drink and post
225 <Silver_Fox_> I am still sober by the way :)
226 <uRock> sweet
227 <hobgoblin> collinp: so who were you thinking of from BT?
228 <hobgoblin> and still we manage to make it an hour lol
229 <collinp> hobgoblin: nigel, starcraftman, tenach, paultag
230 <hobgoblin> tenach is in the social group - but rarely comes to ufbt for some reason
231 <hobgoblin> star is busy - but is on the radar
232 <Silver_Fox_> I have been in contact with starcraft
233 <hobgoblin> nigel is busy and wandered off, but ....
234 <Silver_Fox_> nigel is settling into a new job i know, but is he active on forum?
235 <hobgoblin> paul is in the team but forgets to come - I think he is biusy with trying to pull BT back together and I wish him well with that one :)
236 <Silver_Fox_> So do I
237 <Silver_Fox_> I hate how bureaucratic it is. Seems everyone has an agenda
238 <collinp> Scratch nigelb. He has 16 posts.
239 <hobgoblin> at some point I hope to return - when I do the water will be sweet again :)
240 <hobgoblin> k
241 <hobgoblin> collinp: so the 3 in your list are about already lol
242 <collinp> yeah.
243 <Silver_Fox_> fail ;)
244 <Silver_Fox_> Hehe
245 <hobgoblin> but tenach needs to be about or not I think :)
246 <collinp> There's also Joeb454, but
247 <hobgoblin> I'll talk to him tenach
248 <Silver_Fox_> I am seeing more of the lolrus in the channel, perhaps we should invite permanently ;)
249 <hobgoblin> joeb is sort of in and out everywhere atm collinp :)
250 <uRock> =)
251 <Silver_Fox_> joeb is finishing up with some uni work
252 <collinp> That sounds far too much like myself :(.
253 <hobgoblin> well we all have lives
254 <collinp> Mine involves wasting 7 hours at a school that teaches me near nothing academically.
255 <Silver_Fox_> Happiness Now
256 <hobgoblin> collinp: at some point I want to talk to you about UA - I was in it and left, but it's too late in the day now
257 <collinp> AKA: United States public high school.
258 <Silver_Fox_> Seems positive person
259 <hobgoblin> mmmmm
260 <collinp> hobgoblin: Ok
261 <hobgoblin> Silver_Fox_: do they do support - all I see is spammy cafe threads
262 <hobgoblin> if they do I will PM them
263 <Silver_Fox_> I am checking
264 <hobgoblin> collinp: it's life - if you don't do the academic school stuff a life of hope or shelf stacking awaits
265 <hobgoblin> make the most of the time you have at school
266 * hobgoblin takes of parent hat again
267 <collinp> lol
268 <Silver_Fox_> hobgoblin, No support, just likes general technical chat
269 <collinp> 3 years + collage.
270 <collinp> Hopefully collage is going to be MIT.
271 <uRock> collinp, college is even better, you pay for classes on the degree sheet that are junk, but such is the way of life
272 <hobgoblin> Silver_Fox_: then no then - I do not want another one of those - he's luke
273 <Silver_Fox_> Good morning from UK
274 <Silver_Fox_> Okay hobgoblin .
275 <uRock> good morning to the UK
276 <hobgoblin> k - so the list is http://ubft.pastebin.com/4107ueMs and a boot up the ass for tenach
277 <hobgoblin> also leoquant was interested and then has disappeared
278 <hobgoblin> hang on - lp list
279 <collinp> I haven't seen leoquant.. anywhere.
280 <hobgoblin> https://launchpad.net/~ufbt
281 <hobgoblin> so I will PM on the forum - get replies - get them onto irc and then do the lp thing
282 <Silver_Fox_> Cool
283 <hobgoblin> right - all done - there is one more thing to deal with
284 <uRock> and then?
285 <hobgoblin> let me type it out (drunkenly and slow)
286 <hobgoblin> k - the BT works with everyone having voice and getting votes - this team does not - there are 5 voiced people - bodhi, ibuclaw, paultag, silver fox and I - we will make decisions when there are any issues to deal with - we will always listen to anyone in the team, but our decision is final
287 <uRock> Si
288 <hobgoblin> we will make decisions about who are the voiced core - if we decide to change them you'll be told
289 <hobgoblin> we do not want to end up with stagnant water
290 <uRock> k
291 <hobgoblin> we want it to be fun, there is no CoC - we expect people to be aware and mature enough to know when to stop
292 <hobgoblin> we expect everyone to say si
293 <hobgoblin> :)
294 <hobgoblin> think that is it :)
295 <uRock> Ci
296 <Silver_Fox_> The voiced make a collective decision when issues come up
297 <uRock> sounds good to me
298 <Silver_Fox_> I think thats it...
299 <collinp> That's a far more authoritarian approach, but it also works far better than the BT's current setup.
300 <hobgoblin> finally - one more thing
301 <hobgoblin> the biggest thing is that we want people to be helping people - and we want people to enjoy it
302 <hobgoblin> that is what was missing when I left BT
303 <hobgoblin> collinp: yep - but the collective has a voice - just not as obvious
304 <Silver_Fox_> So thank you for helping :D
305 <Silver_Fox_> And for attending
306 <uRock> most welcome
307 <hobgoblin> cool - that went so much better than I was expecting - great :)
308 <hobgoblin> ty - all
309 <Silver_Fox_> Yes, I was not thinking it would go well. :)
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