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   1 <HappyCamp_laptop> Hello?
   2 <HappyCamp_laptop> Is there a meeting this morning???
   3 <agoliveira> HappyCamp_laptop: Hello!
   4 <HappyCamp_laptop> davidm: ?
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   6 <HappyCamp_laptop> agoliveira: hello!  How's it going?
   7 <davidm> HappyCamp, hi
   8 <amitk> it was announced on email
   9 * HappyCamp_laptop should read his email
  10 <davidm> #startmeeting
  11 <Don_Johnson> Hello, Don J is on
  12 <davidm> Hello
  13 <agoliveira> HappyCamp_laptop: Still trying to put by butt back in shape after the 16+ hours in airplanes back here :)
  14 <HappyCamp_laptop> Hello, John Villalovos is here
  15 * agoliveira waves all
  16 <davidm> I'll start the meetint in a moment
  17 <davidm> #startmeeting
  18 <Mithrandir> mootbot's not here
  19 <Mithrandir> apparently.
  20 <davidm> Yep
  21 <davidm> OK I'll copy the log into the meeting notes.
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  23 <rusty_> morning
  24 * agoliveira saw on TV mootbot watching the Carnaval parede in Rio.
  25 <agoliveira> rusty_: Hi Rusty.
  26 <davidm> OK first topic:
  27 <davidm> smagoun, to talk to cjwatson about getting ckbcomp and such to not be run on each boot?
  28 <smagoun> this is fixed
  29 <davidm> OK thanks
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  31 <davidm> Second topic: ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy and boot charts for gutsy ext3 on CB
  32 <ChickenCutlass> will post bootcharts to the list once I get a working Hardy image (just got one this morning)
  33 <davidm> OK
  34 <davidm> Next topic:   Bob Spencer (bspencer) to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case.
  35 <bspencer> checked
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  37 <davidm> bspencer, is it happing now or does it still need monitoring?
  38 <bspencer> after sprint we are getting into the habit of build, tag, upload to PPA
  39 <davidm> Great
  40 <bspencer> every maintainer knows this 
  41 <davidm> Then I'll close this issue.
  42 <davidm> Next topic: Moblin plans on implementing gettext for i18n in apps and applets (kyleN)
  43 <kyleN> any such plans?
  44 <bspencer> I'm working on that for media player now
  45 <bspencer> we have bugs for the apps in our db
  46 <kyleN> so you plan to implement in midbrowser too?
  47 <bspencer> bugs = "moblin-media needs i18n support"  for example
  48 <bspencer> midbrowser should already have this, no?
  49 <bspencer> whatever firefox does is already part of the browser solution
  50 <kyleN> i checked today and didn't find it, but I may have missunderstood
  51 <bspencer> but I'm not familiar with it.  I haven't looked into it
  52 <kyleN> i switched the locale to german and browser did not display in german whereaas other apps do
  53 <bspencer> cwong1: do you know about i18n for browser?
  54 <cwong1> I am not sure but I will look into this.
  55 <rusty_> well, mozilla is definitly internationalized
  56 <kyleN> cwong1: thx. 
  57 <rusty_> it might night use gettext
  58 <bspencer> might night 
  59 <davidm> cwong1, I'll list an action that you are looking into i18n for midbrowser, OK?
  60 <cwong1> ok
  61 <cwong1> accept
  62 <kyleN> moblin control panel applets?
  63 <davidm> Thanks
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  65 <bspencer> todd isn't in this meeting I see
  66 <bspencer> I'll ask him about it
  67 <kyleN> can we make that an action, just be be official please
  68 <bspencer> I think we already have an action for Moblin i18n
  69 <bspencer> we can leave it open for another week
  70 <davidm> bspencer, I'll list an action that you are following up with todd to check on i18n for moblin control panel applets,
  71 <kyleN> cool
  72 <davidm> Actually I've not carried that forward so I'll start to do so.
  73 <bspencer> davidm: sure.  I think the current action item covers the whole project.
  74 <davidm> OK, good enough.
  75 <davidm> This may be a VERY short meeting since I have no more open items on the agenda
  76 <kyleN> i'd like to raise a related issue if I may
  77 <agoliveira> davidm: The best kind.
  78 <davidm> kyleN, go ahead
  79 <kyleN> language packs. do we know what we are doing here?
  80 <ToddBrandt> i'M HERE
  81 <ToddBrandt> JUST ON A LAG
  82 <ToddBrandt> oops, sry for caps
  83 <bspencer> ToddBrandt: maybe you were on mute
  84 <davidm> But kyleN please add it to the agenda too.
  85 <bspencer> ToddBrandt: the question was just to check into i18n for applets
  86 <kyleN> hardy language packs seem to inlcude all packages with UI strings, we want subset
  87 <ToddBrandt> I'll send out an update with all the bug fixes, I've been head down in them and there are dozens of changes
  88 <bspencer> ToddBrandt: rusty  did we decide to add an i18n switching applet inside control panel?
  89 <kyleN> in fact, we probably want the ability to make different subsets to support products/releases with different apps
  90 <kyleN> I'd like to touch base with someone in this area to see if we have a plan that will work
  91 <rusty_> all code needs to internationalized.... we are not localizing it for anything then english... but if the applets are not internationalized then it's a valid bug
  92 <davidm> kyleN, that would seem to be controlled by the MID team and it's customer(s) at the time. Not likely to want all sets at once.
  93 <Mithrandir> kyleN: I don't believe anybody has looked into how we are going to make langpacks.  If you could investigate, it would be much appreciated.
  94 <ToddBrandt> the applets have internationalization support but since we've changed so much of the text we need to retranslate all the strings
  95 <kyleN> Mithrandir: I am looking at it. I will talk to Arne and maybe martin pitt
  96 <ToddBrandt> the original gnome-control-center had a team of translators
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  99 <kyleN> ToddBrandt: so, if the apps and source packages are in main, then we can expose in launchpad for translation, I presume.
 100 <kyleN> does the PPA = main? 
 101 <bspencer> kyleN: no.
 102 <bspencer> kyleN: PPA is things not in main
 103 <kyleN> so therefore the code can't be translated now with launchpad, right?
 104 <bfiller> kyleN: moblin-applets will not be in main
 105 <bspencer> assuming you mean main = hardy
 106 <bfiller> or will it?
 107 <kyleN> bspencer: yes, I meant hardy
 108 <rusty_> eventually all the stuff in the hardy PPA will be finding it's way into main (on way or the other)
 109 <ToddBrandt> I checked moblin applets and moblin keyboard manager into ppa hardy, so they're there if that's what your asking
 110 <kyleN> in other words, i'd like to expose as much as possible in launchpad for translation
 111 <rusty_> does launchpad provide it's translation capabilities for PPA's?
 112 <Mithrandir> rusty_: I don't believe so.
 113 <rusty_> too bad
 114 <Mithrandir> but I volunteer kyleN to investigate that.
 115 <davidm> As we merge the PPA into main the problem would seem to go away
 116 <rusty_> yea, it's more of a short term problem
 117 <kyleN> davidm: do we know what will end up in main and what won't? 
 118 <Mithrandir> kyleN: at some point, we should be able to remove universe from the list of sources we pull from.  So, everything.
 119 <davidm> Mithrandir, comments?
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 121 <Mithrandir> unless something blows up.
 122 <kyleN> is there a rough 9or not so rough) time frame for everything being in main?
 123 <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Your optimism is so refreshing :P
 124 <rusty_> definitly anything that needs a translation
 125 <rusty_> i.e. the apps
 126 <Mithrandir> we want security support for the bits that compromise UME, and to get that, it must be in main.
 127 <kyleN> the apps, hildon desktop, mobline applets etc
 128 <rusty_> yeap
 129 <bfiller> Mithrandir: I would think everything would need to be in main by Hardy code freeze, correct?
 130 <Mithrandir> kyleN: takes a while, so hard to tell.  It's very much an ongoing process.
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 134 <Mithrandir> bfiller: there is no freeze by the name of "code freeze" for hardy, but it should hopefully be in main for Hardy Beta and must be for Hardy RC.
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 136 <davidm> We are pushing hard to get this done, taking care of any security issues as they arrive.
 137 <bfiller> Mithrandir: yeah, that's what I was referring to..
 138 <kyleN> ok, so it should all be exposed for translation via launchpad, expect project specific stuff
 139 <bspencer> when is the next hardy milestone?
 140 <bspencer> isn't it soon?
 141 <Mithrandir> bspencer: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
 142 <bspencer> thx
 143 <Mithrandir> kyleN: what do you mean by "project specific stuff" in this context?
 144 <davidm> bspencer, look on the internal intel.canonical wiki 
 145 <davidm> it's more up to date
 146 <kyleN> I'd like to be able to product language packs for subsets of hardy (namely mobile plus arbitrary apps/packages)
 147 <davidm> though the Hardy dates are correct.
 148 <kyleN> Mithrandir: there may be parts of a product that are custom
 149 <davidm> bspencer, that is more up to date in terms of mobile releases to hardy schedule
 150 <kyleN> typo: I meant to say, "produce lang packs"
 151 <davidm> kyleN, the custom work falls under MID team does it not?
 152 <kyleN> yes
 153 <bspencer> davidm: ok.  I'm looking for the link
 154 <kyleN> I'm done with this for now: everything that can go into main will. I need to work on lang pack issues. intel to investigate i18n of their code.
 155 <davidm> the shared wiki URL and /Mobile/RevisedSchedule01012008
 156 <davidm> bspencer, I can send you the shared wiki URL off line if you need it.
 157 <GrueMaster> Should I inquire about current MIC and Ubuntu-hardy daily images issues here, email them, or report them in some bug database?
 158 <mawhalen> bspencer: I sent you the login info
 159 <davidm> GrueMaster, feel free to inquire
 160 <mawhalen> We should also figure out how bugs flow if inputted into the UME launchpad back to someone on our team if it's in components we work on
 161 <bspencer> mawhalen: thanks.  I got it and got in
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 163 <davidm> GrueMaster, our daily builds are working at the moment.
 164 <GrueMaster> Ok, I do a daily git-pull of MIC (make uninstall && make install to clean up the environment).  I have tried building an ubuntu-hardy project with PLATFORM="menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa", but it only pulls from Gutsy.
 165 <bfiller> mawhalen: this already occurs by assigning the bugs in launchpad to one of the moblin teams..
 166 <GrueMaster> That's the current MIC issue I'm hitting against.
 167 <mawhalen> bfiller: thx
 168 <bfiller> mawhalen: sure
 169 <GrueMaster> On the Ubuntu-daily, the system won't allow root access via sudo.  It errors with "can not resolve ume hostname".  I can get around it by adding "127.0.0.1 ume.localdomain ume" to the hosts file if I boot into single user mode first.
 170 <Mithrandir> what's the reason for people using m-i-c from git rather than an actual release?
 171 <GrueMaster> It is part of my daily testing mandate.
 172 <Mithrandir> GrueMaster: as for "menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa" pulling from the wrong place, it sounds like a moblin/mic bug so probably talk to HappyCamp 
 173 <bfiller> smagoun: can you comment on the MIC that is in the PPA and if that fixes the problems GrueMaster is having?
 174 <HappyCamp_laptop> I will check it out, I thought it was working but will verify.  Myself or prajwal
 175 <smagoun> bfiller: The MIC in the PPA is the most recent released version (0.40). It works properly, to the best of my knowledge.
 176 <HappyCamp_laptop> And the MIC in the PPA came from Moblin.org not too long ago, I believe.
 177 <GrueMaster> Just to clarify, make uninstall should clean up 'most" of the older stuff in case of config changes, right?
 178 <HappyCamp_laptop> Unknown
 179 <smagoun> GrueMaster: I'm not sure I'd trust make uninstall, but sudo rm -rf /usr/share/pdk && sudo rm -rf /var/lib/moblin-image-creator do pretty well
 180 <HappyCamp_laptop> +1  Will wipe out most of image-creator
 181 <HappyCamp_laptop> Except binary and a few other files
 182 <GrueMaster> I have a unique requirement to do both daily snapshots and maintain older snapshots.  Lately, these two processes have been in conflict if I have them on the same system.
 183 <smagoun> Also, you might clobber ~/.image-creator
 184 <davidm> GrueMaster, tarballs?
 185 <HappyCamp_laptop> GrueMaster: if you have a patch to make "make uninstall" work better, please let me know.  Or if what isn't working right in "make uninstall".  We can try to make it better.
 186 <GrueMaster> Tarballs for what?  Projects?
 187 <davidm> entire paths?
 188 <HappyCamp_laptop> GrueMaster: he maybe talking about the fact you can save and load projects with MIC
 189 <GrueMaster> HappyCamp_laptop:  I'll check into it in my "spare" time.  :P
 190 <HappyCamp_laptop> GrueMaster: okay.  If you have specifics we can look into the code, I will add this to our list of things for prajwal and I to work on.
 191 <GrueMaster> I do save the older projects > 1 month.  But some of them are based on platform definitions that no longer are supported, which causes issues with MIC.
 192 <GrueMaster> On a good note, I have the Beta 6 video drivers semi-working with the 20080205 Ubuntu-hardy daily snapshot.
 193 <agoliveira> GrueMaster: Define "semi-working", please?
 194 <GrueMaster> I say semi-working because I haven't been able to rebuild the kernel modules without a build environment, and I had to replace ume-start-gui with twm.
 195 <agoliveira> oh, ok.
 196 <GrueMaster> The drivers I have were built with a build image from 1/22
 197 <GrueMaster> I have to force them into the kernel to load.
 198 <davidm> mawhalen, Mithrandir is having issues with Customs for the C0 board
 199 <GrueMaster> Everything works great on a Hardy image from 20080122.
 200 <davidm> mawhalen, can you work with him off line to fix?
 201 <mawhalen> davidm: Yes
 202 <davidm> mawhalen, thanks
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 204 <davidm> OK is there more to cover?
 205 <GrueMaster> Minor note.  Alsa 1.0.16 works great on D0 with no "special" patches.
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 207 <GrueMaster> THought I'd throw that in.
 208 <davidm> GrueMaster, good to hear, thanks
 209 <davidm> OK, going once................
 210 <amitk> GrueMaster: Ubuntu will be syncing to 1.0.16 'soon'
 211 <davidm> OK, going twice........
 212 <jayc> amitk: when can I expect the lum package?
 213 <agoliveira> jayc: 'soon' :-D
 214 <amitk> jayc: -7?
 215 <jayc> amitK:yes, 7
 216 <jayc> amitk:thanks
 217 <amitk> jayc: it needs build tests, so probably end of today or early tomorrow
 218 <davidm> amitk, jayc any more stuff?
 219 <jayc> no
 220 <davidm> going once................
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 222 <davidm> going twice........
 223 <davidm> meeting closed
 224 <smagoun> Is a busted touchscreen on the Q1 a known hardy issue?
 225 <Mithrandir> smagoun: yes.
 226 <Mithrandir> I've asked mjg59 to look at it and I've asked for a status earlier today, but no response yet.
 227 <smagoun> Mithrandir: thanks
 228 <davidm> smagoun, I also asked patm to look into it, he said he would have someone in Lexington take a look
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 230 <smagoun> davidm: he did? oh. First we've heard of it..
 231 <davidm> You all have someone that knows that area pretty good on staff (from what patm said)
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 233 <davidm> I asked him a couple of weeks ago about this.