Contents

  1. Agenda
    1. Meeting Links
    2. Action Items from last meeting
    3. Special Items
    4. Standing Items
  2. Meeting Outcome
    1. Action Items
    2. Minutes
  3. Weekly Reports
    1. Michael Casadevall (NCommander)

September 28th, 2010, 13:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Agenda

Action Items from last meeting

Special Items

Standing Items

Meeting Outcome

[13:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is NCommander.
[13:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:00] <NCommander> bot is laggy this morning
[13:00] <ogra_ac> roll call ?
[13:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101116
[13:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101116
[13:00] <NCommander> If your not here, say I
[13:00]  * ogra_ac added some topics today
[13:00] <GrueMaster> I
[13:01] <ogra_ac> the indentation of bullet lists is broken :'-(
[13:01] <ogra_ac> with the new theme ...
[13:01] <rsalveti> :-(
[13:01]  * NCommander didn't notice
[13:01] <davidm> I am not here
[13:01] <NCommander> <- *doesn't use the standard theme :-(*
[13:02] <NCommander> oh good, davidm is not here, we can skip the meeting :-)
[13:02]  * NCommander runs
[13:02] <ogra_ac> nah, we cant
[13:02]  * NCommander pokes persia 
[13:02] <NCommander> damn it, I was tlaking with him less than an hour ago
[13:02] <NCommander> meh
[13:02] <NCommander> anyway
[13:02] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[13:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[13:03] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to track down why NCommander's specs aren't on the tracker and to have that fixed
[13:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to track down why NCommander's specs aren't on the tracker and to have that fixed
[13:03] <NCommander> Resolved. ogra told me I have to have them set for Approved
[13:03] <ogra_ac> done, davidm needs to approve for natty
[13:03] <ogra_ac> (i would have done it but i dont have the lever)
[13:03] <rsalveti> I also have one that I just noticed that needs to be approved for natty
[13:03] <ogra_ac> approver needs to do it
[13:04] <rsalveti> davidm: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-arm-gles-in-ubuntu :-)
[13:04] <rsalveti> didn't got on my list when i send you to approve because asac created it just before uds
[13:04] <NCommander> davidm: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-n-userland-subarch-detection & https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-natty-improved-subarch-detection
[13:04] <NCommander> :-)
[13:05] <NCommander> anyway
[13:05] <ogra_ac> userland is fine
[13:05] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to supervise pre-installed omap4 images for Alpha 1
[13:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to supervise pre-installed omap4 images for Alpha 1
[13:05] <NCommander> We hav eimages!
[13:05]  * ogra_ac did that
[13:05] <NCommander> indeed
[13:05] <NCommander> nice work :-)
[13:05] <ogra_ac> yes, but only through an evil hack lool did
[13:05] <rsalveti> heheh
[13:06] <NCommander> ogra_ac: there's another type of hack?
[13:06] <ogra_ac> i hope we can keep it until the bug is fixed
[13:06] <NCommander> ogra_ac: what's the hack for reference sake?
[13:06] <ogra_ac> Bug 674146
[13:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 674146 in dpkg (Ubuntu Natty) "dpkg segfaults during debootstrap on natty armel" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674146
[13:06] <NCommander> ugh
[13:06] <NCommander> I saw that one
[13:06] <ogra_ac> yes
[13:06] <rsalveti> ugly one
[13:06] <NCommander> that's a hack
[13:06] <rsalveti> interesting compiler behavior
[13:06] <ogra_ac> images build now though
[13:06] <NCommander> x-loader is also FTBFS. I looked at it for a bit but didn't get anywhere
[13:07] <ogra_ac> NCommander, my job
[13:07] <davidm> rsajdok, NCommander BP taken care of
[13:07] <rsalveti> I can help fixing x-loader too
[13:07] <NCommander> Qt should get resolved sometime this week.
[13:07]  * NCommander is thorugh most of his email and is just summerizing
[13:07] <NCommander> so I think we're actually on track to meet alpha 1
[13:07] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, would you take that, and also re-integrate lools changes to the packaging ?
[13:07] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: no news from qt with full neon support
[13:07] <NCommander> (that's a first)
[13:07] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: sure, np
[13:07] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, i'll re-upload the static no-NEON build on friday
[13:08] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: nice
[13:08] <ogra_ac> ScottK, ^^^^
[13:08] <rsalveti> unfortunately the neon automatically detection is broken upstream
[13:08] <ogra_ac> yes
[13:08] <rsalveti> nobody ever tested it
[13:08] <ogra_ac> and likely in natty as well
[13:09] <rsalveti> so it's not something that will be easily backported
[13:09] <rsalveti> sure
[13:09] <NCommander> rsalveti: qt has a few growing pains when dealing with various ARM configuraitons.
[13:09] <ogra_ac> though i hope upstream will have fixed it within natty timeframe
[13:09] <ogra_ac> what do we do about natty though ?
[13:09] <rsalveti> NCommander: interesting that nokia pays to be well supported at arm :-)
[13:09] <ogra_ac> keep it broken or do the same static fix until upstream tells us its fixed ?
[13:09] <NCommander> rsalveti: no comment.
[13:10] <ogra_ac> davidm, ^^^ any suggestion ?
[13:10] <NCommander> ogra_ac: static fix? (I'm blanking on what your referring to)
[13:10] <ogra_ac> NCommander, read the bug :P
[13:10] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: for natty I'd say we could go with a similar fix
[13:10] <rsalveti> we don't have the post release regression on it
[13:10] <ogra_ac> Bug 664431
[13:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 664431 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Maverick) "QT on armel is built with NEON by default" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664431
[13:10] <NCommander> oh
[13:10] <NCommander> that bug
[13:11] <NCommander> ugh
[13:11] <ScottK> ogra_ac: Can we publish NEON .debs somewhere for the people wher are using Qt on NEON devices?
[13:11] <rsalveti> so we're ok to disable it for now, and then enable it as an additional feature
[13:11] <NCommander> explains why KDE segfaulted on Dove
[13:11]  * NCommander coughs
[13:11] <ogra_ac> ScottK, as soon as davidm's PPA spec is implemented we can offer a PPA
[13:11] <rsalveti> ScottK: I can put it on a ppa and post the link
[13:11] <ogra_ac> or what rsalveti says
[13:11] <rsalveti> can get that action
[13:11] <ogra_ac> ScottK, plan for natty is to have public arm PPAs for everyone
[13:12] <davidm> The PPA spec is in progress but it's going to take a couple of months to get the hardware all in
[13:12] <ogra_ac> so you should then just be able to do it yourself
[13:12] <ogra_ac> davidm, what about neon ?
[13:12] <ogra_ac> (see above)
[13:12] <ScottK> ogra_ac: I understand, but I'm concerned about the regression for people with NEON devices running Qt (of which I know there are some).
[13:12] <ogra_ac> ScottK, yes, understood, rsalveti will do a build in our team PPA and make that public
[13:13] <ogra_ac> NCommander, action ^^^
[13:13] <NCommander> davidm: I looked at the spec, and I have some places where I need to make changes, but I need to talk with IS and the LP gearheads to make sure all my ducks are in a row before I'll have the implementation part finalized for you
[13:13] <ScottK> BTW, my latest Qt build finished in less than 12 hours with three systems sharing the build via icecc.
[13:13] <NCommander> [action] rsalveti to create NEON enabled Qt build and post it publicly
[13:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rsalveti to create NEON enabled Qt build and post it publicly
[13:13] <NCommander> ScottK: Qt works great with icecc. OO.o, not so much :-(
[13:14] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: then lets push the same fix for natty, at least for now
[13:14] <ogra_ac> gah, i had another point i missed to add to the meeting page
[13:14] <rsalveti> we'll have more people using it as ac100 is all around
[13:14] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, yes, i wanted to hear that from davidm
[13:14] <ogra_ac> :)
[13:14] <ogra_ac> i think we both agree, but i want some higher authority to blame ;)
[13:15] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[13:15] <rsalveti> fair enough
[13:15]  * NCommander coughs andmoves on
[13:15] <NCommander> [action] ogra_ac and rsalveti to talk to davidm on proper approach to fix Qt
[13:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra_ac and rsalveti to talk to davidm on proper approach to fix Qt
[13:16] <NCommander> [topic] Special Items
[13:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Special Items
[13:16] <NCommander> [topic] canonical-mobile was completely deleted and replaced by canonical-arm
[13:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  canonical-mobile was completely deleted and replaced by canonical-arm
[13:16] <NCommander> why is this on here?
[13:16] <NCommander> This is the Ubuntu Mobile meeting, not the Canonical ARM one.
[13:16] <rsalveti> well, we can change ;-)
[13:16] <NCommander> (incidently, the work item tracker needs to be changed to track ubuntu-armel, and NOT canonical-arm)
[13:17] <ogra_ac> NCommander, ubuntu-mobile doesnt exist anymore
[13:17] <NCommander> ogra_ac: so the name of the meeting is an artifact
[13:17] <NCommander> that can be fixed, its the Ubuntu ARM Meeting now :-P
[13:17] <ogra_ac> the next two points would have been indended suppoints
[13:17] <ogra_ac> *sub
[13:18] <GrueMaster> That's how they appear here.
[13:18] <ogra_ac> and are the actual bulletpoints
[13:18] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, not with the new theme
[13:18] <NCommander> ogra_ac: some of us have custom themes set
[13:18] <NCommander> anyway
[13:18] <davidm> ogra, neon needs to be in libs not hard compiled in
[13:18] <ogra_ac> davidm, thanks !
[13:18] <ogra_ac> so: there might be some fallout, please everyone check if i.e. PPA access for important PPAs is missing etc.
[13:18] <NCommander> GrueMaster: can you look at the bug lists, and make sure we have ubuntu-armel properly subscribed?
[13:18] <davidm> until there is no hardware that does not support neon that is how it has to be
[13:19] <NCommander> (it should be in all places, since that team wasn't renamed, but ...)
[13:19] <ogra_ac> right
[13:19] <ogra_ac> please everyone check their PPA accresses etc
[13:19] <ogra_ac> since there might have been team PPAs we could access through canonical-mobile membership
[13:19] <ogra_ac> if you find anything, please ping me
[13:19] <ogra_ac> NCommander, action for all ^^^
[13:19] <NCommander> ogra_ac: wrong venue for ~canonical-mobile/~canonica-arm stuff.
[13:19] <NCommander> Seriously
[13:20] <NCommander> [topic] cloosing down of the ubuntu-mobile mailing list
[13:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  cloosing down of the ubuntu-mobile mailing list
[13:20] <NCommander> do we have an ubuntu-arm(el) mailing list?
[13:20] <ogra_ac> no
[13:20] <lool> ogra_ac: [ Ain't a hack and ain't that evil! ]
[13:20] <rsalveti> no yet
[13:20] <ogra_ac> lool, heh
[13:20] <lool> Just a taste thing
[13:21] <ogra_ac> we wont have an arm ML
[13:21] <ogra_ac> doesnt make sense
[13:21] <ogra_ac> adn with the vanishing of ubuntu-mobile the ML needs to go
[13:21] <NCommander> lool: I'm guessing evil in France is different than evil in the rest of the world ;-)
[13:21] <ogra_ac> davidm wants to close it down soon
[13:21]  * NCommander runs
[13:21] <rsalveti> why don't we have a m-l?
[13:21] <rsalveti> I mean, an arm one
[13:21] <NCommander> ogra_ac: I'd like a mailing list for armel (or at least ports in general)
[13:21] <davidm> there is virtually no traffic except spam on the ML
[13:21] <ogra_ac> what for would we need one ?
[13:21] <NCommander> davidm: well, that and the mailing annoucements
[13:21] <ogra_ac> we dont have an amd64 one either
[13:22] <ogra_ac> nora a sparc or hppa one
[13:22] <NCommander> ogra_ac: cause amd64 is a mainline arch
[13:22] <davidm> the ubuntu-devel is more then good enough
[13:22] <NCommander> powerpc has one
[13:22] <ogra_ac> ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss should serve our needs
[13:22] <davidm> so?
[13:22] <NCommander> fair enough
[13:22] <NCommander> Who's tasked with shooting the u-mobile list dead?
[13:22] <ogra_ac> davidm
[13:22] <davidm> I can file the rt ticket to kill it
[13:23] <ogra_ac> NCommander, just make sure to send the meeting announcements to -desvel now
[13:23] <NCommander> [action] davidm to archive the ubuntu-mobile mailing list
[13:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm to archive the ubuntu-mobile mailing list
[13:23] <NCommander> ogra_ac: will do
[13:23] <ogra_ac> action ?
[13:23] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to send mailing list annoucements to u-devel
[13:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to send mailing list annoucements to u-devel
[13:23] <ogra_ac> :)
[13:23]  * NCommander doesn't quite type that fast
[13:23] <NCommander> :-P
[13:23] <ogra_ac> btw, i added another bullet point after meeting time
[13:23] <NCommander> [topic] New meeting time
[13:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  New meeting time
[13:23] <ogra_ac> (please reload wiki if you havent)
[13:24] <NCommander> Since we've recently had some regulars in this change and/or relocated, I think we should look at moving the metting
[13:24] <ogra_ac> the metting ;)
[13:24] <ogra_ac> (mett is chopped meat in german ;) )
[13:24] <NCommander> (plus those of us on the pacific time or further west have been shafted now for the last 6 months, someone else needs this pain)
[13:25] <NCommander> I'm proposing we simply move the meeting by 12 hours
[13:25]  * rsalveti doesn't like that
[13:25] <ogra_ac> well, lets ask persia
[13:25] <davidm> NCommander, I recomend we shelf this untl next week
[13:25] <ogra_ac> 12h ?!?
[13:25] <NCommander> davidm: fair enough
[13:25] <ogra_ac> thats 2am in europe
[13:25] <NCommander> ogra_ac: yeah, that would be 17:00 here
[13:25] <davidm> And we need to look at all times not a 12 hour shift
[13:25] <GrueMaster> persia is looking into available timeslots with the idea of being more TI friendly.
[13:25]  * ogra_ac refuses to have two nightly meetings
[13:26] <NCommander> right, so here's what we do
[13:26] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, TI is mainly Nice nowadays
[13:26] <GrueMaster> We had a discussion about this last night.
[13:26] <NCommander> [action] everyone to put proposals of new times (and days) on the wiki
[13:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone to put proposals of new times (and days) on the wiki
[13:26] <ogra_ac> so it should be european workhours
[13:26] <NCommander> [action] davidm + persia to get input from TI on recommended times
[13:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm + persia to get input from TI on recommended times
[13:26] <NCommander> And then next week we're determine when is the best time.
[13:26] <NCommander> k?
[13:26] <ogra_ac> ++
[13:27] <NCommander> moving on :-)
[13:27] <NCommander> [topic] the return of openoffice on arm images due to desktop team merging the seeds
[13:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  the return of openoffice on arm images due to desktop team merging the seeds
[13:27] <ogra_ac> just a warning ;)
[13:27]  * NCommander goes to cry in the corner with this topic
[13:27] <ogra_ac> for the OO.o lovers among us
[13:27] <NCommander> Please, don't let Oracle touch me. It burns!
[13:27] <ogra_ac> -desktop team will merge the seeds
[13:27] <ogra_ac> and only build a single image
[13:27] <ogra_ac> we might or might not differ in that
[13:27] <NCommander> ogra_ac: sounds like we need to get spice seeds this cycle then to prevent this. OO.o + ARM sucks
[13:28] <ogra_ac> i have a workitem on their spec to research that
[13:28] <NCommander> or at least an architecture specific exclusion
[13:28] <GrueMaster> I believe it was announced that we will be moving to LibreOffice.
[13:28] <davidm> Sounds like we are going to need an ARM seed to me
[13:28] <ogra_ac> NCommander, we might need to build desktop images this cycle
[13:28] <NCommander> ogra_ac: well persia came up with a possible lead to find the missing notes so we might get lucky
[13:28] <ogra_ac> davidm, i wouldnt like that if we can avoid it
[13:28] <NCommander> ogra_ac: *wince*. Bad things happen when we try and remove OO.o from desktop
[13:28] <ogra_ac> not anymore
[13:28] <NCommander> ogra_ac: would or wouldn't?
[13:28] <ogra_ac> wouldnt
[13:28] <davidm> I don't want OO back on the build it takes to much room
[13:29] <ogra_ac> i'd like to go with one seed
[13:29] <NCommander> I don't want OO.o cause we're almost out of cows to sacirife to keep it going
[13:29] <davidm> I'd love to go with one seed if it meets our needs, which OO does not
[13:29] <ogra_ac> but the question is how technically hard that is
[13:29] <NCommander> ogra_ac: I'll take this action item
[13:29] <ogra_ac> davidm, on desktop images ?
[13:29] <davidm> Also we don't have mono working still
[13:29] <NCommander> and research if we can sanely exclude OOo if we build desktop in fair of something (anything) else
[13:29] <NCommander> davidm: OOo doesn't depend on mono (yet), just java
[13:29] <davidm> ogra, not at the moment
[13:29] <ogra_ac> NCommander, preferably i dont want us to have the extra work to keep seeds in sync
[13:29] <NCommander> though I think openjdk is kinda foobar'ed
[13:30] <ogra_ac> ??
[13:30] <davidm> NCommander,  but the new audio player for desktrop does I think
[13:30] <ogra_ac> openjdk is fine
[13:30] <NCommander> ogra_ac: what I'm hoping is we can do one seed, but get OOo off our images
[13:30] <ogra_ac> we can
[13:30] <ogra_ac> thats no prob
[13:30] <NCommander> ogra_ac: I'll look into it, I have to touch germinate anyway for other stuff
[13:30] <ogra_ac> we fixed that in lucid
[13:30] <NCommander> ogra_ac: oh, is it more of a question "do we want to exclude it?"
[13:30]  * GrueMaster shudders at the QA implications of OO.o on the images.
[13:30] <ogra_ac> NCommander, right
[13:30] <ogra_ac> NCommander, and accroding to davidm we dont want OO.o
[13:30] <NCommander> GrueMaster: we'll have to sacrifice one of the bodies to keep the beast happy
[13:31] <davidm> and we don't want mono apps
[13:31] <ogra_ac> we need to take care for OO.o anyway
[13:31] <ogra_ac> if its on the images or not
[13:31] <davidm> seperate problem but a problem non the less
[13:31] <ogra_ac> so i dont see the issue why it matters if we have it on the desktop images
[13:31] <NCommander> If there is no contractual requirement for Canonical-provided images, and if there's no demand for it on community-provided images, then I'm happy to leave it off
[13:31] <NCommander> ogra_ac: out of site, out of mind ;-)
[13:31] <ogra_ac> NCommander, we still need to take care for it
[13:32] <NCommander> ogra_ac: although granted, with the migration to libreoffice, at least we can drop most of the patches since we won't have issues with upstream
[13:32] <ogra_ac> its a main app we are bound to make sure works
[13:32] <NCommander> ogra_ac: yes, but if its on the image, we have to make sure it works well :-P
[13:32]  * ogra_ac doesnt see much difference between libre and openoffice yet
[13:32] <ogra_ac> i assume for natty the code wont much differ
[13:32] <NCommander> ogra_ac: its more that we won't have issues with getting upstream to accept patches
[13:33] <ogra_ac> we always have to make sure it works well
[13:33] <NCommander> Sun's upstremaing guidelines were ... painful
[13:33] <ogra_ac> ah, yeah, patching should be easier
[13:33] <NCommander> ogra_ac: indeed
[13:33] <NCommander> I'm of leaving it off the images
[13:33] <ogra_ac> i dont really care
[13:33] <NCommander> *for
[13:33] <ogra_ac> i wouldnt mind having it on desktop images
[13:34] <ogra_ac> not on netbook though
[13:34] <NCommander> davidm: do we care about OOo being shipped? We can exclude it on a per-architecture basis and re-add it on a per image basis (if spice seeds materialize) if we need it
[13:34] <davidm> Currently we are not planning on desktop images
[13:34] <ogra_ac> (its not clear yet if we *will* build desktop at all)
[13:34] <ogra_ac> right
[13:34] <davidm> For ARM netbooks OO was overkill
[13:34] <ogra_ac> yes
[13:35] <NCommander> ogra_ac: I think we should stick a pin in this discussion and only revisit of desktop images materialize
[13:35] <NCommander> davidm: s/was/is/g
[13:35] <ogra_ac> i just would like to sick as close to the desktop seed as possible for images
[13:35] <ogra_ac> NCommander, good idea
[13:36] <NCommander> I think we're all agreed that we're not putting OO.o on the netbook images short of a contractual requirement to do so (or strong community demand which I consider unlikely)
[13:36] <NCommander> BTW
[13:36] <NCommander> In response to earlier feedback
[13:36] <ogra_ac> no, no OO.o on netbook, in any case
[13:36] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to eBay his soul to fix mono on ARM
[13:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to eBay his soul to fix mono on ARM
[13:36] <NCommander> :-)
[13:36] <ogra_ac> heh, who would bid on that ?
[13:36] <NCommander> ouch.
[13:36] <rsalveti> heheh, true
[13:37] <ogra_ac> or do you plan a buy now offer ?
[13:37] <rsalveti> and you're brave to try to fix mono
[13:37] <NCommander> With friends like you, who needs enemies?
[13:37] <NCommander> :_p
[13:37] <ogra_ac> heh
[13:37] <ogra_ac> we love you, you know that :)
[13:37] <NCommander> rsalveti: meh. mono isn't a re-implementation of Windows COM. It at least has comments in the code base
[13:38] <ogra_ac> in any case rhythmbox will stay in the supported set of apps
[13:38] <rsalveti> NCommander: but is a pain :-)
[13:38] <NCommander> ogra_ac: all abusers say that :-P *runs*
[13:38] <ogra_ac> so we can happily go on shipping it
[13:38] <NCommander> rsalveti: I did some work on mono on ARM last time it blew up
[13:38] <NCommander> so I have a general idea of what might be going wrong
[13:38] <rsalveti> oh can, I'm happy I'm not the one to fix it
[13:38] <ogra_ac> tomboy is the only mono app we currently have
[13:38] <rsalveti> *oh, ok
[13:38] <NCommander> oh crap
[13:38] <NCommander> damn it
[13:38] <ogra_ac> in our images
[13:38] <ogra_ac> hmm, and gwibber possibly
[13:38] <NCommander> why didn't I drink coffee earlier, I just enlisted for a world of pain :-/
[13:39] <NCommander> ogra_ac: we want it fixed anyway :-/
[13:39] <ogra_ac> we do
[13:39] <ogra_ac> though
[13:39] <NCommander> mono been mostly foobar'ed since karmic(?)
[13:39] <ogra_ac> please coordinate with linaro
[13:39] <NCommander> none of us could really look into it lucid
[13:39] <ogra_ac> specifically with slangasek's team
[13:39] <NCommander> ogra_ac: has anyone in linaro looked into it?
[13:39] <ogra_ac> no, but the linaro platform team cares for such stuff
[13:39] <rsalveti> no one is interested, I believe
[13:39] <ogra_ac> so work together with them
[13:40] <ogra_ac> i pointed slangasek to it last release, but i think nobody had time over there
[13:40] <ogra_ac> so i guess they appreciate if you work on it
[13:40] <NCommander> ogra_ac: where's the existing mono is broken bug
[13:40] <ogra_ac> use their resources if you need to though
[13:40] <ogra_ac> no idea from the top of my head
[13:41] <ogra_ac> let me look that up after meeting
[13:41]  * GrueMaster looks.
[13:41] <ogra_ac> or that ;)
[13:41] <NCommander> right
[13:41] <NCommander> anyway
[13:41] <NCommander> moving on, I don't want to run over
[13:41] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[13:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[13:41] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[13:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[13:41] <GrueMaster> (mono) Bug #561874
[13:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 561874 in f-spot (Ubuntu) "NULL Reference exception in F-Spot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561874
[13:41] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-alpha-1.html
[13:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-alpha-1.html
[13:41] <ogra_ac> did GrueMaster take the action for fixing the assigned bugs list above ?
[13:42] <ogra_ac> the WI list isnt complete yet
[13:42] <ogra_ac> needs another tracker run
[13:42] <GrueMaster> Will do.  Actually I need to ping marjo for this.
[13:42] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, thanks
[13:42] <ogra_ac> NCommander, action ^^^
[13:42] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to fix assigned bugs
[13:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster to fix assigned bugs
[13:42] <GrueMaster> (mono) Bug #619981
[13:42] <NCommander> hrm
[13:42] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 619981 in banshee (Ubuntu Maverick) "Banshee crashed while sitting idle on omap4" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619981
[13:42] <NCommander> That action item seems like it could be worded better :-)
[13:42] <ogra_ac> lol
[13:43] <ogra_ac> well, i dont mind
[13:43] <ogra_ac> you should say "assigned to ubuntu-armel" ;)
[13:43] <GrueMaster> Yea, and you want them fixed...when?
[13:43] <ogra_ac> alpha 1 please
[13:43] <NCommander> GrueMaster: tonight preferable ;-)
[13:43] <ogra_ac> :P
[13:43] <NCommander> [topic] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[13:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[13:43] <ogra_ac> that will break with the next run
[13:43] <NCommander> k
[13:43]  * GrueMaster increases rent, decreases heat upstairs.
[13:43] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[13:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[13:44] <ogra_ac> canonical-mobile doesnt exist anymore
[13:44] <ogra_ac> NCommander, that needs cleanup
[13:44] <NCommander> GrueMaster: don't worry, I have all your hatred aimed at me to keep me warm
[13:44] <ogra_ac> no mpoirier or lag anymore
[13:44] <NCommander> yay, we fixed the issue of lag on the internet!
[13:44] <ogra_ac> we moved the lag to linaro ;)
[13:45] <NCommander> that explains so much
[13:45] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[13:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[13:45] <GrueMaster> Nothing to report.  Checkbox customization is WIP.
[13:45] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander)
[13:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander)
[13:45] <NCommander> not quite a diaster as when I left on VAC, thanks ogra
[13:46] <ogra_ac> I don't have time to wait for the right point in the meeting as I'm about to leave here.  I wanted to make sure people knew that Bug #675347 is now the blocker for Qt/KDE stuff on arm and hopefully you can convince someone to fix it soon.
[13:46] <NCommander> Once Qt is fixed, KDE should just build with a few minor whacks. ScottK is handling this mostly
[13:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675347
[13:46] <ogra_ac> from ScottK
[13:46] <ogra_ac> (he pinged me in PM)
[13:46] <NCommander> ogra_ac: thanks
[13:46] <ogra_ac> so thats one biggie
[13:46] <NCommander> Right, other than that, the list is pretty simple, and not too many ARM specific in main
[13:47] <NCommander> Once Qt/KDE gets fixed, I'm going to ask for a universe mass-giveback as theirs a lot of breakage there that's just archive skew
[13:47] <ogra_ac> nothing blocks image builds atm at least
[13:47] <NCommander> indeed
[13:47] <NCommander> so, moving on
[13:47] <ogra_ac> we need to look into it nontheless
[13:47] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[13:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[13:47] <ogra_ac> we have omap4
[13:47] <NCommander> WE HAVE IMAGES! (thanks ogra)
[13:47] <ogra_ac> for omap3 the kernel status isnt clear yet
[13:48] <ogra_ac> (see my discussion on the MLs)
[13:48] <ogra_ac> someone needs to take security responsibility for omap3
[13:48] <ogra_ac> then we can use linaros kernel
[13:48] <ogra_ac> until thats clear we wont have omap3
[13:48] <NCommander> [action] ogra to follow up on omap3 situation with Linaro's kernle team
[13:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to follow up on omap3 situation with Linaro's kernle team
[13:48] <ogra_ac> (sorry for the image build mails until then)
[13:49] <rsalveti> actually this needs to be followed with ubuntu's kernel and security team
[13:49] <ogra_ac> NCommander, has nothing to do with linaros kernel team
[13:49] <ogra_ac> please remove that action
[13:49] <NCommander> striken
[13:49] <ogra_ac> (and read the ML thread first :P )
[13:49] <NCommander> ogra_ac: I did, I thought Linaro was saying they were going to take the kernel.
[13:49] <ogra_ac> ubuntus kernel and security teams have the ball atm
[13:49] <ogra_ac> as rsalveti said
[13:49] <NCommander> d'oh
[13:50] <NCommander> [action] ogra_ac to follow omap3 kernel situation
[13:50] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra_ac to follow omap3 kernel situation
[13:50] <ogra_ac> and nobody but manjo answered the thread yet
[13:50] <ogra_ac> (with an unrelated comment)
[13:50] <ogra_ac> the kernel team is well aware
[13:51] <ogra_ac> i raised it in their last meeting
[13:51] <ogra_ac> but dont have a solution either yet
[13:51] <ogra_ac> and no manpower
[13:51] <rsalveti> probably only after getting those 2 new guys around
[13:51] <ogra_ac> yes
[13:51] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: and about the newer guy from our team?
[13:52] <ogra_ac> no idea when he starts
[13:52] <ogra_ac> davidm will know soon i guess
[13:52] <ogra_ac> and tell us then ;)
[13:52] <rsalveti> oh :-)
[13:52] <rsalveti> and just a note, I'll be at vacation next week
[13:52] <ogra_ac> k
[13:52] <ogra_ac> slacker !
[13:52] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[13:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[13:53] <ogra_ac> everyone: finish workitems !
[13:53] <ogra_ac> :)
[13:53] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: haha, and you'll be forced to be out during december ;-)
[13:53] <ogra_ac> yeah, i guess
[13:53] <NCommander> anything else
[13:53] <NCommander> will close in 3
[13:53] <NCommander> 2
[13:53] <NCommander> 1 1/2
[13:53] <NCommander> 1
[13:53] <NCommander> #endmeeting

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