Raw Log of meeting on 4/8/08
The log is incomplete, missing last 10 minutes or so of the meeting.
Topics
Who |
What |
Ubuntuforums Profile |
janquark |
continuing education and skill enhancement of our team, focus on topics samba, mounting, virtualization, security, terminal tipps etc. |
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Rocket2DMn |
Create wiki pages for each Focus Group if they wish to have one. The Wiki group has created one as an example - Beginners/Team/FocusGroups/Wiki. Feel free to add suggestions to that page, but please speak to me before creating a page for your team so I can keep the naming scheme universal. Thanks. |
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paultag |
Beginner Team hostname cloaks. set to something for the team such as /ubuntu/beginnersteam/member/ and /ubuntu/beginnersteam/admin |
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paultag |
Mailing Lists: What ever happened, and will we use them? |
Log
<bodhi_zazen> Start Meeting
<bodhi_zazen>
<st33med> BALLS
<bodhi_zazen> Welcome everyone
<st33med> &hi
<steambot> Sup, man!!! Pound it, bro!
<paultag> st33med: ...
<bodhi_zazen> should we run through the focus groups first or the agenda ?
<st33med> lol
<Rocket2DMn> kick the bots please, or make them be quiet
<st33med> &leave
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<paultag> focus first
<bodhi_zazen> OK, focus groups ...
<bodhi_zazen> Wiki team -
<Rocket2DMn> reporting in
<Rocket2DMn> is that my cue?
<bodhi_zazen>
<bodhi_zazen> go man, anything ?
<Rocket2DMn> groovy, so as an example for other Focus Groups, we made a page for the wiki team, you can view it here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups/Wiki
<chanlog> Title: Wiki Focus Group - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
<Rocket2DMn> the point is to have a separate wiki page for each focus group, if they want, to stay organized since not everybody is in here all the time
<Rocket2DMn> we (the wiki team) would be happy to create the page for you, maybe with a default template, and each team can use that page how they see fit
<bodhi_zazen> +1
<spiderbatdad> wow very nice
<bodhi_zazen> Teach is best ...
<bodhi_zazen> Have we figured out how to delete pages yet ?
<st33med> mm...
<Maddeth> Mind if i?
<bodhi_zazen> If not, I think we should work on that
<Rocket2DMn> I want to point out that the Beginners area of the wiki is not really for writing Help documents
<st33med> wiki team wil make a page for compositing?
<Maddeth> on the UGA if we just erase everything on a page the page disapears
<bodhi_zazen> Maddeth, what ?
<Rocket2DMn> the wiki is for us to stay organized, Help documents can be written under the appropriate Community area
<bodhi_zazen> Yea, it is a little different on the Ubuntu wiki
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, to have a page deleted it must be submitted to the official Wiki Team to deal with, see here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo
<chanlog> Title: WikiToDo - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
<Maddeth> ok just seeing if i could help... shutting up
<bodhi_zazen> Please do not add help documents on the Community wiki if you do not know how !!!
<Rocket2DMn> +1
<bodhi_zazen> Ask for help
<Rocket2DMn> feel free to talk to me about that
<st33med> +32949581003.1
<Rocket2DMn> The wiki system has a logn string of different pages telling you how to use the wiki, its rather annoying
<bodhi_zazen> Yea, the Ubuntu wiki is a little difficult to learn , IMO at least
<Rocket2DMn> So, team leaders, please let me know later if you want a Focus Group page for your team
<bodhi_zazen> Anything else for the wiki team ?
<Rocket2DMn> you can email me your request if i'm not around - (REMOVED FROM LOG)
<bodhi_zazen> If not, IRC
<st33med> I wouldn't know if compositing would need it, since it isn't all to big
<Rocket2DMn> thats ok st33med , we can discuss it later, i just wanted to present the idea today
<bodhi_zazen> How is our new channel ?
<Rocket2DMn> that is all from me, you may continue bodhi_zazen
<st33med> ok
<bodhi_zazen> Should we continue it, change the name, delete it ?
<bodhi_zazen> #beginners-help ??
<st33med> Our new channel has a few people coming in sometimes
<st33med> it is pretty useful
<bodhi_zazen> Nice, do we help them ?
<st33med> Yes
<spiderbatdad> is it ok to invite folks there for one on one help now?
<bodhi_zazen> \o/
<bodhi_zazen> brb ...
<paultag> I think we just need to promote it more -- but not enough to make it #ubuntu
<bodhi_zazen> +1 paultag
<Rocket2DMn> agreed
<st33med> Only for major incidents
<Rocket2DMn> cant let ourselves become victims of our own success in there
<paultag> Link in sigs, perhaps, or the Wiki?
<Maddeth> well i dont mind sitting in there and lending a hand now and then...
<paultag> If I am idle, I would love to help
<st33med> Redirect those with minor problems back to #ubuntu if it gets worse?
<bodhi_zazen> I am in the channel from time to time, ping me if you need help
<Rocket2DMn> paultag, info in forum sigs is good, i wouldnt advertise it outside the Beginner's Wiki area tho
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: +1
<bodhi_zazen> I would not advertise the channel on the forums too much
<bodhi_zazen> PM is OK, but you will get swamped if you over do it
<bodhi_zazen> I like the idea of inviting from #ubuntu
<st33med> We should have done these meetings more often than before a month ago
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: agreed, but if we have 3 - 6 of us in there helping at most 2 people, I dont see too much use
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, that is true, i think thats why paultag said signature, not really advertising iut in threads
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: yeah
<spiderbatdad> bodhi_zazen in a pm from #ubuntu or openly?
<bodhi_zazen> OK
<bodhi_zazen> I was thinking PM on forums
<st33med> PM spiderbatdad
<bodhi_zazen> ./msg on #ubutu
* Joeb454 forgot it was meeting day
<st33med> lol
<bodhi_zazen> 'lo Joeb454 , me too
<Joeb454> i tend to pull people over from #ubuntu to #beginners-help
<paultag> we dont want people asking how to use aptitude comming through, when someone in #ubuntu could help with a one liner
<st33med> wow, kinda sad when our leader has memory lapses
<Joeb454> lol
<bodhi_zazen> lol, that is a strong trait in a leader
<Joeb454> they wouldn't come through paultag
<Rocket2DMn> st33med, thats why he needs peons to remind him
<st33med> paultag, we could redirect them to #ubuntu
<paultag> Joeb454: if we start trying to redirect everyone there though
<paultag> st33med: yeah
<bodhi_zazen> It is your channel and I was planning to be fairly hands off, with the exception of helping
<bodhi_zazen> Slow growth is IMO better then explosive growth
<paultag> I think so
<Rocket2DMn> agreed
<st33med> +103248219084502139478934569.000001
<bodhi_zazen> best provide quality support then flop because you are too busy
<paultag> but 2 - 3 people is not what we had in mind I think
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: +1
<bodhi_zazen> Well, if you hang on #ubuntu you can invite like 1 a mintue ...
<bodhi_zazen> lol
<Joeb454> paultag, I mean pull people from #ubuntu if it's not a simple 1 line answer
<paultag> heh
<paultag> ok
<bodhi_zazen> OK, forums then ?
<st33med> I would want to invite only those with bad problems bodhi_zazen
<Rocket2DMn> agreed, and please introduce those users to pastebin
<bodhi_zazen> or anything else to add to IRC ?
<paultag> yeah
<bodhi_zazen> st33med, only invite those with problems I know the answer to
<paultag> heh
<Maddeth> lol
<st33med> lol, don't know if I can with your memory loss
<bodhi_zazen> hmm ...
<bodhi_zazen> I see no issues on the Forums
<bodhi_zazen> I have been impressed with the team in general and it is nice to see
<st33med> Nothing really there, not even spammers about bad commands
<Rocket2DMn> onthe topic of forums, support our man GSF - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=747991
<chanlog> Title: For a fellow team member - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)
<bodhi_zazen> We try to keep the forums clean
<bodhi_zazen> Launchpad team ?
<Rocket2DMn> hi
<bodhi_zazen> do we need someone to replace Toxic ?
<bodhi_zazen> Toxicity999, poke, hi
<st33med> nope, but I haven't seen him in the longest time
<paultag> heh
<bodhi_zazen> are you feeling you want to turn the Launchpad team over ?
<st33med> oh, what about bots in IRC?
<bodhi_zazen> bots on this channel ?
<paultag> st33med: launchpad now
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, why don't we postpone the LP discussions unti lwe can get ahold of Toxicity999
<bodhi_zazen> kk
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, howcome nothlit has op in here btw?
<paultag> ok
<bodhi_zazen> anyone want to talk about bots ?
<paultag> o/
<Joeb454> too many bots boil the broth
<paultag> I think so
<paultag> I have contributed to it, but I think its becoming out of hand
<bodhi_zazen> nothlit helped a great deal with this channel and the team , at first
<paultag> and if we do allow bots, then we need to keep them quiet
<Rocket2DMn> im mixed on the bots, i know they are fun, but they can be annoying esp. since they don't serve a purpose
<bodhi_zazen> he has been busy recently
<st33med> limit of two bots in #beginners-help?
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: recbot is sweet
<spiderbatdad> shit
<ajmorris> spiderbatdad: certain language creates an unintelligent atmosphere.
<Joeb454> lol
<bodhi_zazen> I say lets limit the bots to one per channel ?
<bodhi_zazen> at the most
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<bodhi_zazen> they are fun but ...
<spiderbatdad> ^
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<Joeb454> +1
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, keep ubotu and chanlog
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: +1
<bodhi_zazen> can we have one communal bot everyone works on ?
<st33med> MINE
<paultag> I think that is resoble
<paultag> st33med: ...
<st33med>
<bodhi_zazen> I liked boshi_bot
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, thanks for that
<paultag> mine is the most feature complete :P
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: +1
<st33med> &:)
<steambot> Stop smiling at me... You look crazy when you do that.
<paultag> I say the chan bots, then one bot that we can mess with
<bodhi_zazen> OK, so I think it is agreed to tone down the bots
<paultag> and no joining / quiting every two seconds
<bodhi_zazen> +1 paultag
<Rocket2DMn> debug your bots elsewhere ppl
<paultag> PMs work great
<Rocket2DMn> thats basically what we're getting at
<bodhi_zazen> OK, Security team
<st33med> yes, my bot in there (as it is the least profane) and bhb
<bodhi_zazen> nothing to reoort
<bodhi_zazen> tronyx, are you wanting to be on the security team ?
<Joeb454> bhb won't leave unless I kill my server
<Rocket2DMn> /bot discussions
<Joeb454> tronyx == security team lol
<paultag> heh
<paultag> tronyx: ping
<st33med> &ping | tronyx
<steambot> tronyx, Do not respond, do not respond...
<bodhi_zazen> composting team ?
<st33med> Nothing really to report
<Rocket2DMn> what is compositing team
<bodhi_zazen> OK, agenda items then ...
<bodhi_zazen> composting = decomposing thing
<st33med> Rocket2DMn, stuff like compiz
<Rocket2DMn> ok, can you make note of that on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups/
<st33med> k
<Rocket2DMn> look at IRC and Wiki team for examples, like a oneliner at the bottom
<bodhi_zazen> OK, "training"
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<bodhi_zazen> is the team interested in training ?
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<bodhi_zazen> teaching ?
<paultag> to a degree
<Rocket2DMn> negative for me
<paultag> I would love to teach what I know, and learn what I dont
<bodhi_zazen> not you paultag , you would be one of the potential teachers
<Rocket2DMn> the IRC channle is a good place to get specific help on a topic if you dont have an answer, that essentially is training
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: but no, I dont think mandatory training is good
<paultag> but I think some opertunity to have people learn without having to ask is a good thing
<Rocket2DMn> we already test newcomers, so nobody here is clueless as to what's going on
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: true, but we cal all learn more
<bodhi_zazen> janquark put it on the agenda, so we should defer it to the next meeting if he did not assign a proxy
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: +1
<Rocket2DMn> we all know where to seek help on topics, and yes, we can all learn more. i don't think training session will be terribly useful tho
<paultag> lets put it off till jan is here
<bodhi_zazen> I think we all learn by doing, as we go
<bodhi_zazen> you can always ask for help here and other places
<Rocket2DMn> +1 bodhi_zazen
<bodhi_zazen> OK
<paultag> it would be good to help make that curve better for new users
<st33med> Rocket2DMn, done
<paultag> ok, moving on
<spiderbatdad> havent found a good wiki on chrooting. They are full of holes
<bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn covered wiki pages ...
<bodhi_zazen> spiderbatdad, LOL
<Joeb454> training?
<Rocket2DMn> spiderbatdad, bodhi_zazen can help you with that
* Joeb454 is confused
<paultag> heh
<bodhi_zazen> Joeb454, It was an agenda item
<st33med> training our secret army Joeb454
<st33med>
<spiderbatdad> I'm just saying a good wiki subject
<Joeb454> thanks st33med
<bodhi_zazen> spiderbatdad, I can walk you through a chroot sometime
<Joeb454> lol
<bodhi_zazen> After you do it once, it is a snap really
<paultag> for sure
<st33med> what is chroot?
<bodhi_zazen> LOL
<paultag> st33med: later ill walk you through it
<spiderbatdad> i don't need the help thanks, but it took while due to lack of a good wiki
<paultag> st33med: meeting now
<st33med> OK
<bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
<chanlog`> Title: DebootstrapChroot - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
<limac> well, g2g see ya huys
<paultag> limac: bye
<Rocket2DMn> bye limac
<bodhi_zazen> skip to mailing list
<limac> bye
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<bodhi_zazen> we have a mailing list, but it never took off
<paultag> ok, bodhi_zazen: what ever happend?
<bodhi_zazen> IRC seems to work best
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, i think the problem is nobody knows where the mailing list is
<bodhi_zazen> No one really used it but nothlit and I
<paultag> heh
<paultag> ok, just wanted to bring that up
<Rocket2DMn> how do we add ourselves to it and use it
<st33med> &beginners
<steambot> This channel is meant for people who need help very badly, and don't want to go through the #ubuntu channel (Why? because it is crowded). The Beginners Team members are usually signified by a yellow dot or other symbol, depending on what IRC client you are using.
<st33med>
<st33med> !ping
<ubotu> ping yourself really the diodes all down my left side are sore
<bodhi_zazen> Ah
<Rocket2DMn> if we get the mailing list going again, people, please remember to use text only format in your emails
<bodhi_zazen> here is the link for the team :
<bodhi_zazen> Access is blocked - please contact your system administrator.
<bodhi_zazen> LOL
<spiderbatdad> st33med so are all ABT members, voiced on that channel?
<paultag> LOLZ0R
<bodhi_zazen> http://groups.google.com/group/ubuntuforums-beginners-team?hl=en
<Rocket2DMn> FAIL
<paultag> failboat
<st33med> !test
<ubotu> Failed.
<st33med>
<st33med> most, spiderbatdad
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, is our email hidden on that mailing list
<bodhi_zazen> Last item
<Joeb454> spiderbatdad, only members of the IRC focus group are voiced in #beginners-help
<Rocket2DMn> and not posted on the web
<paultag> OK, I move to try the Mailing list again
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, team cloaks
<bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn, yes, I think so
<Rocket2DMn> seconded paultag
<bodhi_zazen> I can not access the page at the moment
<paultag> alright, we can do that later
<paultag> moving on to cloaks
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, i submitted a join request on the mailing list
<paultag> I think that we should use cloaks as well as voice to to mark a member
<spiderbatdad> bogus
<paultag> as well as putting focus member team leaders as admins
<bodhi_zazen> admins where ?
<paultag> I think this will help in #ubuntu as well as around Freenode
<Rocket2DMn> so this cloak stuff, is this for IRC? we get our own cloak?
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: hostname cloaks
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: you have one set to fluxbuntu docs
<bodhi_zazen>
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: anyone can get an unifileated one
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: I have one
<paultag> I think the team should have a single cloak together
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, cloaks are OK with me, perhaps for senior members of the team or team leaders
<bodhi_zazen> how do we set that up ?
* Joeb454 has a cloak
<Rocket2DMn> sounds cool
<st33med> am I senior?
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: I was thinking more one for members, and one for leaders and admins
* Joeb454 should clearly be an op too :P
<bodhi_zazen> I do not want to give a cloak to every new member, sometimes they do not stay long enough
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: ok
<st33med> how about for those with 500+beans on the forums get a cloack
<st33med> *cloak
<bodhi_zazen> LOL
<paultag> st33med: I dont have more them 500 beans
<st33med>
<Joeb454> st33med, does that mean I get 2 cloacks
<Joeb454> cloaks*
<paultag> I help when there is a big issue
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, do you know who to talk to about cloaks ?
<Rocket2DMn> i dont think setting a nubmer is the best approach, just leave it up to bodhi_zazen when to dish out a cloak
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: I went too #freenode for mine
<paultag> Rocket2DMn: +1
<bodhi_zazen> I like the idea of giving focus group leaders ops in this channel
<Joeb454> really?
<paultag> I think this needs an email to freenode for cloaks
<st33med>
<st33med> DIBS
<Joeb454> all Focus Group leaders?
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, do you want to send a email ?
<Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, i only got ahold of nothlit once, im not sure if he still wants leadership of Wiki team
<Joeb454> b/c we have like 5 focus groups
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: sure, Ill take care of it
<bodhi_zazen> OK thanks
<st33med> I can has cloakz
<st33med> ?
<bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn, next time nothlit is here I will ask him
<paultag> I think bodhi_zazen should control cloaks
<Rocket2DMn> alright
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, who are the F.G ops?
<bodhi_zazen> Until then lets assume not, but not make it official until we have had a chance to talk to him ?
<Rocket2DMn> sure bodhi_zazen , no hurry
<Joeb454> me ajorris, Rocket2DMn , and then who?
<bodhi_zazen> If no appearance by next meeting we will make it official by absence
<st33med> md
<st33med> *me
<Joeb454> i thought you were
<st33med> igknighted
<st33med> ajmorris
<Rocket2DMn> who is igknighted anyway
* Joeb454 has never seen ignknighted
* Rocket2DMn has to leave in 10 minutes
<st33med> Toxicity999, DrSmall, and tronyx
<bodhi_zazen> That is what I mean by people comming and going ...
<Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups
<Rocket2DMn> moving on
<chanlog`> Title: Beginner's Team Focus Groups - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: this is what I will be doing with the cloaks: http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
<chanlog`> Title: Group Registration (at freenode.net)
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, I do not know much about cloaks, so I will be learning "on the fly"
<bodhi_zazen> I appreciate your help in this
<paultag> really feel like we are a "real" team
<paultag> on IRC that is
<bodhi_zazen> As long as it is not abused
<paultag> right
* bodhi_zazen recalls an event of cloak abuse ...
<spiderbatdad> it already is
<paultag> heh
<st33med> cloak abuse is what?
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: they will have our names on it, I dont think anyone will do anything
<paultag> st33med: raiding #windows, and posting pr0n
<bodhi_zazen> using your cloak to spam a channel ...
<st33med> paultag, that would be compiledkernels job
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, that too
<paultag> bodhi_zazen: it makes it hard to boot / block / ban you from a chan -- it maskes your IP
<bodhi_zazen> OK, any other agenda itmes ?
<Joeb454> IIRC freenode gets your ip anyway
<paultag> right
<bodhi_zazen> paultag, I know
<paultag> ok
<paultag> cool, thats it for me
<bodhi_zazen> the only abuse I know of is spaming ...
<Rocket2DMn> i have a topic for brief discussion
<bodhi_zazen> OK, go ro
<bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn,
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, I'm curious about this op-ing F.G leaders, but we can talk about that later if you like
<Rocket2DMn> The Unanswered Posts team has a website where they post threads that they respond to, at http://ua.codechunk.net/ - you can't view it in detail unless you're registered with them
<bodhi_zazen> FG ?
<paultag> Focus Groups
<Joeb454> bingo
<Rocket2DMn> although they use it for all threads (supposedly), i think its a useful tool for posting threads you need help with
* Joeb454 is lazy
<bodhi_zazen> OK
<Rocket2DMn> so you can flag a thread that you are unable to solve, and other members of this team can go check it out
<Joeb454> Rocket2DMn, I use it for all unanswered posts I answer
<bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn, we could make a wiki page
<bodhi_zazen> add and delete threads
<st33med> that sounds exhausting
<Rocket2DMn> that is true bodhi_zazen , its just not as convenient i think
<bodhi_zazen> Joeb454, I was thinking of giving OP to a few more folks here, I am not always here
<Rocket2DMn> people arent likely to regularly check a wiki page
<st33med> +1 Rocket2DMn
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, I've noticed that little fact
<Rocket2DMn> anyway, i dont think it would hurt, not like it needs to be mandatory
<Rocket2DMn> ill talk to ajmorris about it and see if it can be adapted
<bodhi_zazen> +10 Rocket2DMn
<Rocket2DMn> could be an interesting thing to try out, even if we dont stick with it
<st33med> bodhi_zazen, who will you be giving level 10 status too?
<bodhi_zazen> st33med, I have not decided yet
<st33med> k
<Joeb454> st33med, chanlog
<bodhi_zazen> I was thinking ajmorris, paultag , and Joeb454
* Joeb454 feels privileged...though I don't know why
<Joeb454> lol
<bodhi_zazen> Unless anyone has any other suggestions ?
<Joeb454> -1million for paultag :P
<Rocket2DMn> lol
<bodhi_zazen> If you do not want to voice them in public, /msg me
<paultag> haha
<Joeb454> lol
<st33med> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1
<st33med>
<paultag> st33med: thanks
<Rocket2DMn> sounds good
<bodhi_zazen> OK, one more topic then
<bodhi_zazen> recuritment
<st33med> *recruitment
<Joeb454> lol
<bodhi_zazen> In my experience, I like to see people come to the channel and hang for a while
<paultag> ok, btw all -- cloak stuff submited to Freenode
<Joeb454> oh and bodhi_zazen I noticed you fixed the typo in your sticky
<bodhi_zazen> I do not feel we need to recruit at the moment
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, like Maddeth ?
<bodhi_zazen> yea, like Maddeth
<Joeb454>
<bodhi_zazen> Otherwise, they tend to fly by night and we never see them again
* Joeb454 likes Maddeth...partly because he understands my british humour (yes with a u)
<st33med> including the ninjas
<paultag> heh
<st33med> >.>
<bodhi_zazen> I am sure we all know team members on the list we have not seen recently
<st33med> <.<
<st33med> nothlit, Toxicity999, igknighted
* Rocket2DMn needs to leave now
<Joeb454> bodhi_zazen, actually I saw caprikori the other night
<Rocket2DMn> who is doing the minutes?
<Joeb454> see ya Rocket2DMn
<bodhi_zazen> That is what has happened, and it is OK, but at this time I prefer to recruit more stable members