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   1 Ununtu-be - IRC meeting on 01/09/2010 at 21.00 hr.
   2 <jean7491>  Hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   3 <massimo21> me
   4 <warddr> I am
   5 <ILUsion> I am, more or less
   6 <jean7491> hello massimo21 , warddr , ILUsion
   7 <JanC> 'lo
   8 <warddr> hello jean7491
   9 <jean7491> JanC ? Gh0sty ?
  10 <jean7491> ILUsion : first time you appears in irc? what's your location ? mine is ostend
  11 <ILUsion> yeah, first timer. I'm in Vilvoorde
  12 <jean7491> ok, welcome !
  13 <jean7491> JanC ?
  14 <ILUsion> thank you
  15 <JanC> jean7491: I already said "'lo"  ☺
  16 * jean7491bis (~jean74911@109.236.140.166) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  17 <JanC> let's get started?
  18 <jean7491> i received  a call from nero : due to problem with his phone line and internet access, he will not attend this meeting
  19 <jean7491> topic #1. Future events - Events September 2010 - update
  20 <jean7491>  first item,  Dipro fairs 05/09 Ghent, 12/09 Antwerp, 19/09 Charleroi and 26/09 Hasselt 
  21 <jean7491> dipro ghent 05/09, coordinator kenneth, team is ready
  22 <jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Ghent_2010-09-05
  23 <jean7491> comment ?
  24 <massimo21> Hasselt still ok
  25 <jean7491> ok massimo21, second event: dipro antwerp 12/09 (coordinator : bram), team is not yet completed
  26 <jean7491> volunteers? please add your name in wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2010-09-12  
  27 <JanC> massimo21: you got CDs from me IIRC?
  28 <massimo21> what cd?
  29 <JanC> Ubuntu?
  30 <jean7491> or perhaps claudio ?
  31 <massimo21> I think claudio got them
  32 <JanC> yeah, maybe claudio
  33 <JanC> somebody fro mthe Limburg team  ;)
  34 <massimo21> sunday he told me he had enaugh cd's
  35 * Clamam (~claudio@d54C1F823.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  36 <massimo21> here he is
  37 <Clamam> me
  38 <jean7491> for information, sunday was local meeting ubunteros in genk
  39 <JanC> oh, how did that go?
  40 <jean7491> hallo Clamam
  41 <Clamam> hello
  42 <massimo21> we planned how to work
  43 <Clamam> it was good but we where with only 3 ubuntero's
  44 <Clamam> Massimo21, Hans and me
  45 <jean7491> yes, but don't worry, august is not a good time for meetings
  46 <Clamam> we had a good conversation with Hans about future events like eurosys computerfestival for next year and other things
  47 <JanC> yeah, that's great
  48 <Clamam> and with Massimo i planned the  next dipro -beurs
  49 <jean7491> local meetings are a good step for better work
  50 <jean7491> next item,  Software Freedom Day (18/9) http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/FrontPage 
  51 <jean7491> an event is already planned in ostend in cooperation with zandletters.be, volunteers are welcome, …
  52 <jean7491> you can add your name in the wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/SoftwareFreedomDay2010   
  53 <jean7491> i don't know if other activities are planned elsewhere in belgium?
  54 <JanC> I don't know either
  55 <warddr> I asked a bit around in my area, but I didn't get responses yet
  56 <JanC> BTW: if dipro A'pen team needs CDs, there isn't much time to organize something...
  57 <jean7491> there is only 1 registred team in belgium (ostend) and i received 100 cd's 10.04 from canonical
  58 <jean7491> for dipro a'pen, i do'nt know, not yet info from bram
  59 <JanC> you can always leave the CDs in the library if you have any left
  60 <warddr> He sent a mail with some thing he will bring, and we should bring, but he didn't mention anything about cds
  61 <jean7491> i'll ask him again by email
  62 <jean7491>  third item,  Nielse computer dag (26/9) in cooperation with local computerclub monitor …
  63 <jean7491>  we need to compose team with nero as coordinator. ...
  64 <jean7491> but he just told me not yet contact with monitor: i'll do for him
  65 <jean7491> volunteers? please add your name in the wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Niel_2010-09-26
  66 <jean7491> comment about events ?
  67 <warddr> Does anyone know when fosdem 2011 will be?
  68 <warddr> Is there already a date?
  69 <JanC> warddr: yes, see their site
  70 <JanC> 5-6/2 IIRC
  71 <warddr> I checked a week or so ago, and there was not date yet
  72 <JanC> first weekend of February
  73 <warddr> ty
  74 <JanC> yeah, was announced about 1 week ago...  ;)
  75 <JanC> "Saturday 5 and Sunday 6 February 2011"
  76 <JanC> so I was right
  77 <jean7491> ILUsion , if possible for you, your help in nielse computer dag will be appreciated, or later for other event ...
  78 <jean7491> next topic # 2. Promotion
  79 <jean7491> first item Adding commercial links to the website 
  80 <warddr> thanks JanC, now I can search a couch in the area, I don't want to leave at 9 again becouse I have to catch my train :D
  81 <ILUsion> @jean7491: I will try to come to the Nielse computerday, will update the wiki
  82 <jean7491> thanks !
  83 <JanC> warddr: I might have couch  ;)
  84 <warddr> Great!
  85 <jean7491> ILUsion : you will receive more information via email
  86 <jean7491> first item Adding commercial links to the website 
  87 <jean7491>  we already discussed the topic, see draft in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Commercial_links-draft …
  88 <jean7491>  no progress since last meeting, ... before to launch the project and contacting companies, we wait for  a central point of contact for this matter (likely contact@ubuntu-be.org), …
  89 <jean7491> JanC : anything new ?
  90 <JanC> I'll try to get it done _very_ soon  ;)
  91 <jean7491> if too long, if necessary, we could use a temporary address “contact-ubuntu-be@gmail” shared with interested members, ? … and start soon with announcement in the mailing list 
  92 <massimo21> how will the procedure be of contacting companies?
  93 <JanC> I can do it before next week, I hope
  94 <jean7491> massimo21 : once ready to answer the question, 1. contact via m-l, 2. contact companies we know, 3. ...
  95 * ILUsion (~egon@94-227-10-203.access.telenet.be) a quitté #ubuntu-be ("Ex-Chat")
  96 * ILUsion (~egon@94-227-10-203.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  97 <massimo21> so when ready it can be also personal contact
  98 <jean7491> JanC , ok, as i said, we wait for
  99 <jean7491> massimo21 : idd, the most important is the direct link with ubuntu
 100 <massimo21> ok
 101 <jean7491> example alupcs
 102 <Clamam> alupc's ?
 103 <jean7491> about composition of "contact group": who is interested can ask to be in, with condition to be member of the be loco team
 104 <jean7491> alupcs (or alupc's?) who gives pc's at our disposal for dipro genk, hasselt and a'pen
 105 <Clamam> That is the least that we can do for them
 106 <Clamam> they give us good hardware
 107 <jean7491> JanC , we'll wait, as soon as we can test contact@ubuntu-be.org, we can continue
 108 <jean7491> Clamam : idd
 109 * guydup (51530769@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.83.7.105) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 110 <jean7491> once ok with  contact@ubuntu-be.org, we can start with announcement in the mailing list
 111 <jean7491> and guydup (hello!) is another example for this possibility https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Commercial_links-draft 
 112 <jean7491> other comment on this item ?
 113 <guydup> hello
 114 <massimo21> hello
 115 <jean7491> guydup : you know about dipro ghent 5/9, i suppose
 116 <jean7491> if no comment on this item, next t-shirts, ...
 117 <jean7491> second item,  t-shirts for Ubuntu-be ? 
 118 <jean7491>  no progress since last meeting, ...  we are waiting for other design proposals …
 119 <warddr> We can choose from the current ones
 120 <massimo21> where can i make new suggestions?
 121 <jean7491> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial 
 122 <warddr> the biggest "problem" is deciding how much t-shirts we will make, and where the money will come from
 123 <jean7491> massimo21 , just via m-l and in wiki
 124 <warddr> We've got enough money to buy the t-shirts, but we need to make a desision if we will take the risk or not
 125 <jean7491> warddr : perhaps first asking more design , ...
 126 <warddr> JanC, do you have any idea how many t-shirts there are sold @ fosdem?
 127 <Clamam> question : are the people that visit fairs asking for t-shirts or other things ?
 128 <JanC> warddr: 50-60, I think
 129 <warddr> but if we sell them for €10 maybe more
 130 <JanC> let's say 50
 131 <JanC> yeah
 132 <jean7491> Clamam : no, as far as i know, but we didn't propose it
 133 <warddr> Clamam, at FOSDEM and at release party's there is a lot of people asking for this kind of things
 134 <guydup> yes, dipro 5/9
 135 <JanC> warddr: if we sell them at 15 € we can offer some of that money to international projects though
 136 <Clamam> ok, but we do more fairs then fosdem and releaseparty's
 137 <warddr> with €10 we will already make profit, but we have to decide the price if we've got everything together
 138 <warddr> Clamam, but releasparty's are specific for ubuntu users, fairs are for computer users
 139 <warddr> and ubuntu people ask for ubuntu stuff
 140 <massimo21> i will buy one
 141 <Clamam> i know, i buy them myself from the canonical online store.
 142 <JanC> I have a bunch of Ubuntu t-shirts still  ;)
 143 <warddr> JanC, sizes noone wants
 144 <JanC> well, I have Kubuntu t-shirts in those sizes  :P
 145 <Clamam> and i will buy the ubuntu-be t-shirts for sure for me
 146 <warddr> and the koala t-shirts are also a litle outdated
 147 <JanC> heh, I liek teh koala t-shirts
 148 <JanC> they don't get outdated IMO, because they are funny
 149 <massimo21> i think it will be better to add be at the be t)hirts
 150 <JanC> massimo21: I think it's somewhat mandatory even
 151 <warddr> massimo21, the problem is at fosdem there are people from around europ
 152 <warddr> and if there is no -be we can sell overstock to neighbour country's if necessary
 153 <JanC> if the "be" is somewhat small, as in jean7491's designs, people will care less
 154 <guydup> i was not following jean7491, what is your question
 155 <warddr> but that's also something that has to be decided, -be or not
 156 <massimo21> you can still see it as a souvenier for people outside
 157 <ILUsion> I think it's more personal to have the -BE
 158 <jean7491> guydup : i had no question, just info about dipro and "commercial links" (see ad-hoc link)
 159 <JanC> warddr: basically, Canonical doesn't like t-shirts that aren't somehow "local" because their shop partner *really* doesn't like that
 160 <guydup> yes, i would like to be on that list, but beware of a lot of would-be ubuntu companies.
 161 <jean7491> guydup : ok
 162 <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=t-shirt_black-v4-be.png is an example of adding the -be but still keeping it not too obvious for others
 163 <jean7491> i think first decision : we need a reference to be,  for me it is clear
 164 <massimo21> i like that one
 165 <jean7491> before the choice, we need more design proposals (not only mines!)
 166 <massimo21> i will add one
 167 <ILUsion> nice design
 168 <warddr> To give an idea about the costs, 100 t-shirts with 2 colors printed will cost 750EUR + some shiping costs
 169 <JanC> all Jean's designs are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial
 170 <JanC> and everybody can add their design
 171 <jean7491> warddr : could you "shake" the m-l asking for new proposals, but  with reference to ubuntu-be
 172 <jean7491> or ubuntu-be.org
 173 <JanC> okay, should work
 174 <JanC> maybe also ask on some forums etc.
 175 <warddr> I'll send a mail about that this week, don't know when yet. I'll also ask on the ubuntu-nl message board
 176 <JanC> warddr: okay, please do
 177 <jean7491> i'll remove my proposals without  be reference from the wiki
 178 <warddr> The shiping costs for 100 t-shirts are 14,5EUR, that would make a total of 764,5EUR for 100
 179 <warddr> and I really think we can sell 100 of them, for a fair price
 180 <JanC> warddr: I would sell them at 15 € then
 181 <warddr> and what will we do with the profit?
 182 <JanC> but e.g. 10 € for people who help at events
 183 <JanC> and we should start thinking about spendign money on things maybe...  ;)
 184 <JanC> for example paying (partial) travel expenses for foreign speakers at events in Belgium (if they aren't too high) is an option
 185 <JanC> especially for students etc.
 186 <JanC> or for people inside Belgium, of course
 187 <warddr> I just took a look at how long it takes to print and deliver t-shirts, it's only 2 days
 188 <guydup> how is it printed?
 189 <guydup> zeefdruk?
 190 <warddr> http://www.cotton-shirts.eu/en/organic-fair/earthpositive/t-shirts-earth-positive/
 191 <JanC> probably
 192 <JanC> zeefdruk == "screen printed"
 193 <guydup> are those prices ex vat?
 194 <warddr> yes, 19% german VAT
 195 <warddr> So it is 6,25*1,19 = 7,43 / T-shirt if we order 2 color print on dark t-shirts
 196 <warddr> It can be ceaper, but we agreed that the t-shirts should be fair-trade
 197 <warddr> and that's a litle more expensive.
 198 * bbartek est parti (Quit: Ik ga weg)
 199 <ILUsion> why are there 2 sets of prices?
 200 <ILUsion> and at the bottom is also marked "Surcharge per garment: light print color on darker fabric: orders of 10-30: 1.00 €, orders of 50-100: 0.50 €, ..."
 201 <warddr> First one is light color t-shirt men, second dark color t-shirt men, 3rd light colored female, ...
 202 <guydup> if needed you can use my company+vat number to  get  them without vat
 203 <massimo21> i have to go
 204 <massimo21> bye
 205 <warddr> guydup, I'm not an economics specialist, but if we buy them without VAT we should sell them with VAT I think, and that would make it more expensive
 206 <jean7491> bye massimo21
 207 <warddr> bye massimo21
 208 <Clamam> bye massimo21
 209 <ILUsion> bye massimo21
 210 <guydup> with or without vat, you always have to charge selling vat
 211 <warddr> well.. I don't think ubuntu-be has a VAT number
 212 <warddr> We should also decide a design submit deadline
 213 <guydup> must leave
 214 <warddr> what about 30 September, than we have a week or 2 to decide wich design we will chose, and have them in time for the 10.10 rp's (If there will be any)
 215 * guydup est parti (Quit: Page closed)
 216 <JanC> warddr: that's an idea
 217 <jean7491> suggested procedure : 1st step : . more designs – 1 week > preselection through irc meeting > choice of 1 design  another irc meeting...
 218 <ILUsion> warddr: sounds reasonable
 219 * massimo21 est parti (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 220 <jean7491> step 2. how many ? I propose to start with 100 >  open a presale list (with size in wiki?) 
 221 <jean7491> step 3. with mark ok, order 100 t-shirts 
 222 <JanC> although, maybe make the deadline the 26th
 223 <jean7491> step4. start sale in events with a few one kit
 224 <warddr> We can also send using the post, it's €3 to send 1 t-shirt
 225 <JanC> warddr: that's including a postpac or what?
 226 <warddr> no, but they arn't that expensive
 227 <JanC> we probably don't need a postpack for t-shirts
 228 <warddr> and It would be a big envelope
 229 <ILUsion> have to go, bye
 230 <JanC> no way they will "break"  ;)
 231 <warddr> a bubble envelope
 232 <Clamam> ILUsion, bye
 233 <warddr> I sent tons of things with bubble envelopes
 234 * ILUsion est parti (Quit: Ex-Chat)
 235 <JanC> yeah, but no bubbles needed for t-shirts
 236 <JanC> we can probably get brown paper envelopes for much less
 237 <warddr> but bubble is better protected and make it less likely for the envelope to brake
 238 <JanC> like I said: t-shirts don't break  ;)
 239 <warddr> but paper envelopes do
 240 <JanC> maybe
 241 <warddr> I just tested and a t-shirt fits perfect in an A4 bubble envelope
 242 <JanC> we can also add some stickers and the like, if we want...
 243 <jean7491> warddr : i propose a preselection of designs at the irc meeting 15/9 and a decision about design on 22/9
 244 <warddr> so deadline would be 15/9 at 8 in the afternoon?
 245 <jean7491> ok
 246 <JanC> 20h Belgian time
 247 <JanC> maybe make a separate wiki page for design proposals?
 248 <warddr> reward for the winning design: 1 free t-shirt, ok?
 249 <warddr> that will encourage some people
 250 <jean7491> ok for me
 251 <JanC> and maybe some more stuff, we can see
 252 <warddr> ok, I'll just write that if the t-shirts are printed the winning design will get 1 t-shirt
 253 <warddr> the creator of it :
 254 <warddr> I think we can finish this point here, and go to the next agenda item if there is any?
 255 <jean7491> ok, enough for t-shirts (for this evening) ? so we can continue with next topics ?
 256 <warddr> same time, lol
 257 <jean7491> topic # 3. Update Wiki
 258 <jean7491> are there suggestions ?
 259 <jean7491>  4. Support points map status : nothing new, we are waiting for mongolito404 availability
 260 <jean7491>  5. Things living in the mailing list 
 261 <jean7491> .other questions ?
 262 <warddr> not at the moment
 263 <jean7491> or information: welcome to the newcomers in the belgian local community team in july: ...
 264 <jean7491> massimo (if possible, add your location in launchpad!),  The_White_Eagle (no location?), Floriann (no location?)
 265 <jean7491> giving a location should be a must to become member of the be loco team!
 266 <warddr> let's take a look if my location is on launchpad :D
 267 <warddr> were can I see that?
 268 <jean7491> it seems that the map with location disappear from launchpad !
 269 <Clamam> Jean7491, that"s correct, the location page doesn't work
 270 <jean7491> JanC do you know about it ?
 271 <warddr> The Google Maps API server rejected your request. The "client" parameter specified in the request is invalid.
 272 <jean7491> imho people who join the team in launchpad are willing to act to promote ubuntu in belgium: if their location and email are not available, i don't how they can work with ubuntu-be
 273 <warddr> If the support point map is ready we can use that
 274 <jean7491> but not yet ready !
 275 <jean7491> we can investigate the problem later
 276 <jean7491> another question : ...
 277 <jean7491> Topic for a future irc meeting, ubuntu and education : what can we propose to schools ? 
 278 <jean7491> For example for “ICTpraktijk dag in november: ...
 279 <jean7491>  a team "ubuntu-education" with teachers and others is needed to help the promotion
 280 <jean7491> i propose we discuss it at a future meeting
 281 <warddr> more and more teachers are finding their way to ubuntu, I talked to someone on the train who was using ubuntu a couple of months ago, he turned out to be a teacher who was transfering the whole client computer parc to ubuntu
 282 <warddr> Maybe that's best, I think only JanC jean7491 and me are still here
 283 <jean7491> ok
 284 <jean7491>  last topic, next irc meeting ? proposed on 08/09 at 21 h. 
 285 <warddr> that won't work for me
 286 <warddr> wednesday is a big problem for me
 287 <JanC> I think we need participation by *teachers* for something like ICT-dag...
 288 <JanC> warddr: proposal for another day?
 289 <warddr> only wednesday and friday is difficult for me, but if it's ok for everyone else you sould keep it at wednesday.
 290 <warddr> Maybe we should talk about it on the mailinglist, people who can not be here on wednesday will not be able to complain here
 291 <jean7491> warddr : you can propose another day ! JanC : could we gather teachers and others in a "education" team ? 
 292 <warddr> 7 or 9 september
 293 <JanC> warddr: it's on Wednesday because we tried wed & sun and wed worked for more people back then
 294 <warddr> than I'll not be there next time I guess
 295 <JanC> but most of those peopel aren't around anymore, except me & jean  ;)
 296 <JanC> so if we can get more active contributers on another day, we can move
 297 <jean7491> but we still can ask for suggestions, i'll stress on it in the report
 298 <warddr> ok, ty
 299 <jean7491> in the beginning of the report, not at the end
 300 <warddr> One more thing, I'd like to be around if the t-shirts are voted
 301 <JanC> and/or make it a separate mail
 302 <warddr> I think a separate mail is better
 303 <JanC> warddr: obviously
 304 <warddr> and wednesday 14 days also isn't possible for me
 305 <JanC> warddr: t-shirts are more or less your project IMO
 306 <JanC> so feel free to propose a meeting
 307 <JanC> it's the same as for local events etc.
 308 <warddr> So a separate meeting for the t-shirts?
 309 <JanC> those who do the work are more important than those who don't  ;)
 310 <JanC> meritocracy, etc.
 311 <jean7491> and don't worry, if necessary we call a special meeting
 312 <jean7491> if no other question, i propose end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, and have a good night !