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|| machine || harddisk || linux || other os || workaround || notes || || HP NX6325 || Samsung HM250JI || Hardy=YES|| Vista=NO || -B 254 || || || HP NX6325 || Fujitsu MHV2060BH || Gutsy=YES || N/A || -B 255 || || || Dell XPS M1330 || WD1200BEVS-75UST0 || Hardy=YES || N/A || -B 255 || || || HP NC8430|| Samsung 250GB || Hardy=YES || N/A || N/A || || || HP nw9440|| ST910021AS ||Edgy=YES || N/A || N/A || || || Gateway MT6451|| WD1200VE || Gutsy=YES || N/A || N/A || || |
|| Machine || Hard Disk || Ubuntu || Other OS|| Workaround || Notes || || HP nx6325 || Samsung HM250JI || Hardy=YES|| Vista=NO || -B 254 || || || HP nx6325 || Fujitsu MHV2060BH || Gutsy=YES || N/A || -B 255 || || || Dell XPS M1330 || Western Digital WD1200BEVS-75UST0 || Hardy=YES || N/A || -B 255 || || || HP nc8430|| Samsung 250GB || Hardy=YES || N/A || N/A || || || HP nw9440|| Seagate ST910021AS ||Edgy=YES || N/A || N/A || || || Gateway MT6451|| Western Digital WD1200VE || Gutsy=YES || N/A || N/A || || |
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|| Toshiba P205 || FUJITSU MHW2120BH || Gutsy=YES || N/A || -B 255 || || || N/A || Hitachi HTS541210H9SA00 || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || N/A || || |
|| Toshiba P205 || Fujitsu MHW2120BH || Gutsy=YES || N/A || -B 255 || || || N/A ||Hitachi HTS541210H9SA00 || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || N/A || || |
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|| Thinkpad 600E|| HITACHI_DK239A-65B||Ubuntu=YES|| N/A || N/A |||| | || Thinkpad 600E|| Hitachi DK239A-65B||Ubuntu=YES|| N/A || N/A |||| |
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|| N/A ||TOSHIBA MK8037GSX||Ubuntu=YES||Fedora=NO||OpenSUSE=NO|| || || Dell Inspiron 6400 ||SAMSUNG HM120JI||Gutsy=YES||N/A||N/A|| || |
|| N/A ||Toshiba MK8037GSX||Ubuntu=YES||Fedora=NO||OpenSUSE=NO|| || || Dell Inspiron 6400 || Samsung HM120JI||Gutsy=YES||N/A||N/A|| || |
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|| N/A || ST9160821AS||Ubuntu=YES||N/A|| N/A || || | || N/A || Seagate ST9160821AS||Ubuntu=YES||N/A|| N/A || || |
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|| HP NX6325 || Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00||Ubuntu=YES||N/A||N/A|| || | || HP NX6325 ||Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00||Ubuntu=YES||N/A||N/A|| || |
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|| Thinkpad z61t || TOSHIBA MK1032GSX ||Gutsy=YES||N/A||N/A|| || || Thinkpad T60 || HTS541080G9SA00 ||Gutsy=YES||N/A||N/A|| || || Toshiba A100 || N/A||Ubuntu=YES ||N/A||N/A|| On battery power || || VIA Epia EX10000EG || WD10EACS ||Feisty=YES||N/A||N/A|| || |
|| Thinkpad Z61t || Toshiba MK1032GSX ||Gutsy=YES||N/A||N/A|| || || Thinkpad T60 || Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00 ||Gutsy=YES||N/A||N/A|| || || Toshiba A100 || Toshiba MK1234GSX ||Ubuntu=YES ||N/A||-B 254|| On battery power || || VIA Epia EX10000EG || Western Digital WD10EACS ||Feisty=YES||N/A||N/A|| || || Thinkpad T23 || Seagate ST92811A || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || N/A || || || N/A || Toshiba MK3006GAL || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || -B 254 || || || Thinkpad R50e || Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00 || Feisty=YES || N/A || N/A|| || || Powerbook G4 || Seagate Momentus 5400.2 100GB|| Ubuntu=YES || N/A || N/A|| || || Dell Vostro 1000 || Seagate ST9120822AS || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || N/A|| || || HP dv6500 || Western Digital WD800BEVS || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || -B 255|| || || Thinkpad T42 || Samsung HD || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || -B 254 || || || Dell Vostro 1500 || Seagate ST9160823AS || Gutsy=YES || XP=YES|| || || || Dell Latitude D630|| N/A || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || -B 254 || || || HP dv6602au|| N/A || Ubuntu=YES || N/A || N/A || || || Acer Travelmate 4010|| Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04 || Ubuntu=YES || XP=YES || N/A || || |
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[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 Bug 59695 ("default value in power.sh potentially kills laptop disks")] is about not preventing bad behaviour of drives (high Load_Cycle_Count numbers) on (laptop) harddrives.
Because the bug report has 150 comments already, I've tried to summarize it here.
There appear to be two issues here: HDD spin down and "Power cycling", whereas the first one has a [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/132 relative] short default (60 seconds), but the latter one gets the most complains (it's about Load_Cycle_Count).
The disk Load_Cycle_Count issue appears to be caused by a combination of two problems -- The first is overly-aggressive power management from what might be considered buggy hardware. The second is that Ubuntu appears to be touching the hard drive on a regular basis for one reason or another.
Note: In sections below relating to how to prevent damage to your hard disk, you should replace $HDD everywhere with your device, e.g. "/dev/sda" or "/dev/hda". If you have several harddrives, you need to change it accordingly and duplicate lines in workarounds.
Affected hardware
Machine |
Hard Disk |
Ubuntu |
Other OS |
Workaround |
Notes |
HP nx6325 |
Samsung HM250JI |
Hardy=YES |
Vista=NO |
-B 254 |
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HP nx6325 |
Fujitsu MHV2060BH |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
-B 255 |
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Dell XPS M1330 |
Western Digital WD1200BEVS-75UST0 |
Hardy=YES |
N/A |
-B 255 |
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HP nc8430 |
Samsung 250GB |
Hardy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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HP nw9440 |
Seagate ST910021AS |
Edgy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Gateway MT6451 |
Western Digital WD1200VE |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Thinkpad Z60m |
Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00 |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Toshiba P205 |
Fujitsu MHW2120BH |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
-B 255 |
|
N/A |
Hitachi HTS541210H9SA00 |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell Inspiron 1501 |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell XPS 1530 |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Thinkpad R52 |
Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00 |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
-B 192 |
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Thinkpad 600E |
Hitachi DK239A-65B |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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N/A |
Hitachi HTS541010G9SA00 |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Compaq Evo600N |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell Latitude C640 |
Western Digital 40GB |
Gutsy=YES |
XP=NO |
N/A |
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Acer Aspire 1662wlm |
Hitachi 5k100 60 GB |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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MacBook Pro C2D |
Fujitsu 160GB |
Gutsy=YES |
MACOSX=YES |
N/A |
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N/A |
Travelstar 7K100 60GB |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell Insipron 9400 |
Samsung 120GB |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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N/A |
Toshiba MK8037GSX |
Ubuntu=YES |
Fedora=NO |
OpenSUSE=NO |
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Dell Inspiron 6400 |
Samsung HM120JI |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell D620 |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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N/A |
Seagate ST9160821AS |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Acer Aspire 1642 WLMi |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Asus G1S-A1 |
Hitachi HTS541616J9SA00 |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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HP NX6325 |
Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00 |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell latitude c840 |
Hitachi DK23EA-30 |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Thinkpad Z61t |
Toshiba MK1032GSX |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Thinkpad T60 |
Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00 |
Gutsy=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
|
Toshiba A100 |
Toshiba MK1234GSX |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
-B 254 |
On battery power |
VIA Epia EX10000EG |
Western Digital WD10EACS |
Feisty=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Thinkpad T23 |
Seagate ST92811A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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N/A |
Toshiba MK3006GAL |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
-B 254 |
|
Thinkpad R50e |
Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00 |
Feisty=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Powerbook G4 |
Seagate Momentus 5400.2 100GB |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Dell Vostro 1000 |
Seagate ST9120822AS |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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HP dv6500 |
Western Digital WD800BEVS |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
-B 255 |
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Thinkpad T42 |
Samsung HD |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
-B 254 |
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Dell Vostro 1500 |
Seagate ST9160823AS |
Gutsy=YES |
XP=YES |
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Dell Latitude D630 |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
-B 254 |
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HP dv6602au |
N/A |
Ubuntu=YES |
N/A |
N/A |
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Acer Travelmate 4010 |
Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04 |
Ubuntu=YES |
XP=YES |
N/A |
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Check
You can check the current value of Load_Cycle_Count of your harddrive(s) using:
sudo smartctl -a $HDD | grep Load_Cycle_Count
(You need the smartmontools package for this. I also had to enable SMART monitoring for my drives using sudo smartctl -s on $HDD)
The values for this differ a lot (e.g. it's 0 on my desktop), but it goes up to > 600.000 for others, depending on the lifetime. TODO: add a section with sample values (including the value of Power_On_Hours).
What Ubuntu does
It [http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html appears to be] the official policy of Ubuntu that by default, Ubuntu should not adjust any power management settings of the harddisk. Unfortunately, this policy has two negative effects: It leaves quite a few people with broken hard drives that would otherwise not be broken, and it quite simply makes people who love Ubuntu feel neglected. This issue has been going on a long time.
The problem appears to be that some manufacturers' defaults are too aggressive and that Ubuntu might cause too many unbuffered disk accesses -- the combination of which can cause over a thousand parks a day on some systems.
In /etc/acpi/power.sh, laptop mode gets handled. If it gets enabled, hdparm is called with "-B 1", if it gets disabled with "-B 254". 254 is the least aggressive setting. 255 is off, but does not work for all disks.
In power.sh also the spindown timeout gets set, according to SPINDOWN_TIME from /etc/default/acpi-support (default: 12). This results in spinning down the harddrive after 12*5=60 seconds of inactivitiy. This does not influence Load_Cycle_Count however.
apm
[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/47 "/etc/apm" is not supposed to be used], but if it would get, it sets spindown to 60 seconds - but does not affect the general APM setting (hdparm -B). (there's a bug, which also used "power_conserve" here, if on_ac_power return "don't know" - [https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156893 bug 156893])
Debug
[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/78 Blue has created a script], which acts as a wrapper around hdparm and logs, where it's called (including its arguments) From his report, it appears that hdparm always gets called through apm or the init script (the logfile excerpt appears to be from booting).
TODO: provide said helper script, allowing others to help to debug this.
Workaround
Various workarounds have been provided that involve adjusting or even turning off power-management of the hard drive. Please keep in mind that this can do more harm than good, so only apply them if you exactly understand what you are doing.
Try hdparm -B 255 $HDD or hdparm -B 254 $HDD. (255 is supposed to disable APM, but it does not work for some; so 254 sets it to the less aggressive setting)
There are different methods to keep this setting after reboot/resume. Your mileage may vary. There may be more workarounds in the bug report, but essentially, all are using "hdparm -B" to change the apm handling of the harddrive.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3675960&postcount=26
UbuntuDemon I brought some of these proposed fixes together in the hope that is easier to apply for users who are suffering from this problem
Force hdparm values in acpi hooks
Gilles posted the following workaround: Create a file called 99-fix-park.sh (keep the '99-' and the '.sh', but you can name the file as you like otherwise) with the following two lines:
#!/bin/sh hdparm -B 254 $HDD
and copy it to the following directories: /etc/acpi/resume.d/ and /etc/acpi/start.d/ (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/10)
laptop-mode-tools
Don posted another workaround: Install laptop-mode-tools and set CONTROL_HD_POWERMGMT=1 in /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/19) Here's another more verbose setup of laptop-mode-tools from Michael: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/63
An easy, step-by-step walkthrough for a situation-sensitive solution (AC/batteries/heat) can be found here: http://vale.homelinux.net/wordpress/?p=199
Proposed fixes
- FIXED: Converted most remaining 255's to 254s, and added an explanation.
Conclusion
This bug report has attracted a lot of concerned Ubuntu users and it seems quite clear from the user feedback, that other operating systems/distributions handle this better. However, the workaround should be quite simple and this wiki page is a first attempt, to fix this for the better.
Misc
ubuntu_demon has put together a list of TODOs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/81
Comments
Please leave any comments/additions here. You may also edit the page directly, but please try to be clear and helpful. The problem has been confirmed and we know that it's a critical thing - please do not repeat that the bug status should be critical.
Could you kindly explain how to diagnose whether the settings on a system, at a point of time, are correct. I have followed the instructions but still find the load cycle count increasing. How do I diagnose the problem?
Useful Links
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 (The bug itself)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3675960&postcount=26 (The ugly fix and How-to for diagnosing the problem)
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html (Ubuntu dev position)
http://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear (Linux Hero comments about the issue)
http://www.linux-hero.com/rant/ubuntu-hard-drive-explosions (Linux Hero comments about the issue)
http://en.opensuse.org/Disk_Power_Management (Only applies for SuSe - yes SuSe it's affected)
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking (Thinkpad users affected)
http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php (LessWatts tips for better power management)
http://usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder.html (Technical paper about hard disks failures)
http://usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/pinheiro.html (Technical paper about hard disks failures)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=168425 (For the ones that still believe this is Linux only... On Windows too.. and most amazing the solution it's something like the ugly fix)
DanielHahler/Bug59695 (last edited 2010-04-21 19:46:51 by 188-194-18-172-dynip)