1 [17:30] <pitti> Desktop team meeting
   2 [17:30] <kenvandine> hey
   3 [17:30] <ccheney> hello
   4 [17:30] <ArneGoetje> hi
   5 [17:30] <pitti> Rick will be here in a few minutes
   6 [17:30] <awe> howdy
   7 [17:30]  * asac lands ... just in time for meeting
   8 [17:30] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-10-13
   9 [17:31]  * pedro_ waves
  10 [17:31] <pitti> so, we want to keep that really quick
  11 [17:31] <seb128> ups, I knew I forgot something
  12 [17:31] <pitti> = Last Karmic Gnome Release =
  13 [17:31]  * seb128 notes to adds activity report 
  14 [17:31] <pitti> seb128: this will happen next Monday, you said?
  15 [17:31] <seb128> tarballs are due monday yes
  16 [17:31] <seb128> so monday to thursday
  17 [17:32] <seb128> traditionally some are late for robert_ancell to have something to do while we sleep there ;-)
  18 [17:32] <pitti> ok, so everyone keep that in mind, and not assing major things to Seb/Robert on Mon/Tue :)
  19 [17:32] <seb128> help on sponsoring will be welcome
  20 [17:32] <pitti> I can help out with some bits, like g-p-m/gdm/gdu/other stuff you throw at me
  21 [17:32] <seb128> ok, will do
  22 [17:33] <seb128> we usually are fine for updates
  23 [17:33] <seb128> but sponsoring can use extra hands
  24 [17:33] <pitti> right, I think asac and me can help out wit sponsoring as well
  25 [17:33] <asac> ack
  26 [17:33] <pitti> = Release Bugs/Release Status =
  27 [17:33] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus is our report from last Friday
  28 [17:33] <pitti> good job, folks, on killing RC bugs
  29 [17:33] <pitti> we just got more than we fixed in the past three weeks :)
  30 [17:34] <pitti> primarily because you all are eager to get important stuff on the radar, which is good
  31 [17:34] <asac> hmm
  32 [17:34] <pitti> does anyone have bugs assigned which you feel you can't fix by RC, so until next Monday?
  33 [17:34] <asac> the current wiki list looked not so big
  34 [17:34] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-10-13 ... there are "only" 5
  35 [17:34] <asac> is that up-to-date?
  36 [17:35] <pitti> apparently it's missing the X/KDE bits
  37 [17:35] <ccheney> i have a couple fixes that need to go in for OOo but aren't on there but i already am on top of them
  38 [17:35] <asac> for me bug 435073 is stil not understood. not sure how many affected
  39 [17:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 435073 in network-manager "NetworkManager 0.8 can not get IPv4 address for wired Auto connections because IPv6 fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435073
  40 [17:35] <pitti> but ReleaseStatus is from last Friday, since then one or two things got fixed
  41 [17:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, those were the "Highs" that are tracked in karmic
  42 [17:36] <rickspencer3> and assigned to the desktop team or someone on teh team
  43 [17:36] <pitti> ah, and e. g. bug 427734  was invalidated recently
  44 [17:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 427734 in ubufox "ubufox not loaded in Firefox 3.5 on karmic alpha 6 CD" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427734
  45 [17:36] <asac> i did that after getting three confirms that this works now
  46 [17:37] <asac> i filed that as a "somehow livecd was broken"
  47 [17:37] <pitti> for example, bug 432521  affects our team, and isn't on Rick's list
  48 [17:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 432521 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "kdm does not restart X server (that crashed on logout)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432521
  49 [17:37] <asac> hmm
  50 [17:37] <pitti> asac: do you need someone to help testing bug 435073 then?
  51 [17:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 435073 in network-manager "NetworkManager 0.8 can not get IPv4 address for wired Auto connections because IPv6 fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435073
  52 [17:38] <pitti> kenvandine: how's the empathy A/V coming along? there are some nasty crashers still?
  53 [17:38] <asac> well. i need someone who is currently seeing that bug
  54 [17:38] <kenvandine> pitti, not to bad
  55 [17:38] <pitti> kenvandine: did the indicator integration crashes get fixed? (obsolete/duplicated entries, etc.?)
  56 [17:38] <kenvandine> some people are still getting crashes
  57 [17:38] <kenvandine> the indicator related crashers are fixed and uploaded
  58 [17:39] <kenvandine> the dupes too
  59 [17:39] <kenvandine> and buddy signon behavior
  60 [17:39] <kenvandine> A/V is working pretty well, but still causes some crashes
  61 [17:39] <pitti> awe: any chance to try and reproduce the IPv6 bug?
  62 [17:39] <awe> pitti: sure
  63 [17:39] <pitti> if it doesn't happen on a standard setup, we can probably take it off the radar?
  64 [17:39] <awe> agreed
  65 [17:39] <awe> it seems to work fine for me, but i'll do some digging
  66 [17:40] <pitti> sounds like it should be enough to set up a failing dhcp server on ipv6, that should work with kvm even
  67 [17:40] <asac> pitti: awe: i think its only reproduciable if you start with 0.7 profile
  68 [17:40] <asac> something like a system-connection with some specific ipv4 setting ... or something else
  69 [17:40] <pitti> asac: profile == saved connections?
  70 [17:40] <pitti> ok
  71 [17:40] <awe> hmm, ok... i have a spare machine i can upgrade
  72 [17:40] <asac> seb128 was the first who noticed this during upgrade a few month bug
  73 [17:40] <asac> back
  74 [17:41] <pitti> seb128: oh, you can reproduce it?
  75 [17:41] <asac> pitti: profile == settings
  76 [17:41] <asac> pitti: no. because once you fix it its gone
  77 [17:41] <seb128> pitti, I ran once into it
  78 [17:41] <seb128> I didn't try again since
  79 [17:41] <asac> so the problem is that if you come from a NM without IPv6 support
  80 [17:41] <asac> and upgrade to NM 0.8
  81 [17:42] <asac> you might end up with the IPv6 setting set to manual
  82 [17:42] <asac> and then you cannot connect because getting IP for ip6 fails
  83 [17:42] <pitti> it seems that's at least enough data to reproduce the bug?
  84 [17:42] <asac> however, the ipv6 defaults to ignored
  85 [17:42] <asac> so this does not happen for everyone
  86 [17:42] <asac> and we looked around the code upstream and dont see how that can happen
  87 [17:43] <asac> pitti: yes. but it seems to manifest itself just with a certain configuration/history
  88 [17:43] <pitti> kenvandine: how bad is bug 434878 still? should we keep it on the radar?
  89 [17:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 434878 in empathy "video calls fail frequently" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434878
  90 [17:43] <kenvandine> not bad
  91 [17:43] <asac> so finding the NM 0.7 state that will reproduce this after upgrade is needed
  92 [17:43] <kenvandine> pitti, i think we need to just track it well for lucid and file effect bugs upstream
  93 [17:43]  * asac takes a note to review the setting migration code once more
  94 [17:45] <asac> i think best plan would be for me/awe/QA to try a few upgrades from 0.7 to 0.8 and hope that we hit the problem
  95 [17:45] <pitti> ok
  96 [17:45] <pitti> bryce: anything on your list which might not make it?
  97 [17:46] <seb128> I had a ipv4 dchp system config I think
  98 [17:46] <seb128> if that helps to try upgrades
  99 [17:46] <bryce> pitti, nope, things are going well
 100 [17:46] <pitti> nice
 101 [17:46] <seb128> I never played with fancy options out of that I think
 102 [17:46] <Amaranth> mvo: looks like we're going to have a compiz 0.8.4 release in about 5 hours
 103 [17:46] <asac> seb128: thx. dhcp system config -> available to all users + all automatic IP config ?
 104 [17:46] <pitti> bryce: there's one remaining mesa regression, right?
 105 [17:46]  * Amaranth wonders if he can upload compiz stuff yet
 106 [17:46] <seb128> asac, yes
 107 [17:46] <asac> seb128: if thats it it should be easy ;)
 108 [17:46] <awe> asac: i take it i should abandon work on the knetwork-manager kubuntu bug?
 109 [17:46] <asac> awe: hidden?
 110 [17:46] <bryce> pitti, right I'm continuing to keep an eye out for mesa (or other) major regressions
 111 [17:46] <asac> yes
 112 [17:46] <awe> ok
 113 [17:47] <asac> thats not a regression
 114 [17:47] <Riddell> awe: what bug is that?
 115 [17:47] <asac> awe: maybe write up quickly your current understanding
 116 [17:47] <bryce> pitti, also going to look at updates for -ati, that's the only remaining big area that we're behind on
 117 [17:47] <asac> so i can poke upstream about it
 118 [17:47] <awe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/444262
 119 [17:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 444262 in network-manager "knetworkmanager won't connect to hidden WiFi AP using WEP" [Undecided,Confirmed]
 120 [17:47] <pitti> = What issues are we working on that are not on the list =
 121 [17:47] <pitti> do you have anything which still needs to make it into karmic which isn't covered by bugs?
 122 [17:48] <pitti> from my side, we still need to update teh copyright files in the artwork packages again, but that's techinically unintrusive (just legally)
 123 [17:48] <ccheney> i have a OOo ppc ftbfs and kde4 mega issue that still needs another upload, along with the mvo upgrade issue i need to track down
 124 [17:48] <asac> seb128: i have update of ephy homepage on my list. can we put that gconf setting in some other package?
 125 [17:48] <asac> seb128: so we can keep ephy in synch in future
 126 [17:48] <seb128> asac, any you want
 127 [17:48] <pitti> ccheney: is it possible to get that done by Friday, so that it can build over the weekend? I'm concerned about the arm buildd time
 128 [17:49] <ccheney> pitti: definitely should be done by friday
 129 [17:49] <pitti> cool
 130 [17:49] <ccheney> pitti: i might wait until thur to upload to make sure no more updates appear right after my upload, heh :)
 131 [17:49] <dobey> mac_v: ping
 132 [17:49] <pitti> asac, seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt is still unhappy about epy, BTW
 133 [17:49] <asac> seb128: not sure you answered my question ;) ... but lets do that after meeting (sorry all)
 134 [17:50]  * asac checks
 135 [17:50] <asac> hmm
 136 [17:50] <asac> seahorse-plugins
 137 [17:50] <pitti> ccheney: there might be some patches to fix bug 424132, too?
 138 [17:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 424132 in openoffice.org "[kubuntu] OOo KDE file dialog is utterly broken." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424132
 139 [17:50] <asac> pitti: will check that
 140 [17:50] <pitti> oh, and we need to get in a new checkbox to complete the policykit migration; cr3 has an updated package, currently being reviewed
 141 [17:51] <ccheney> pitti: yea that was the kde4 mega issue i was referring to, right after my last upload another few patches appeared, heh
 142 [17:51] <ccheney> pitti: so should be fixed with my next upload (i hope anyway)
 143 [17:51] <pitti> sweet
 144 [17:51] <pitti> rickspencer3: I'm done, mike back to you?
 145 [17:52] <rickspencer3> pitti, thanks
 146 [17:52] <rickspencer3> I'll need to scroll back, unfortunately
 147 [17:52] <rickspencer3> but it looks like perhaps there are some bugs that are not on my radar
 148 [17:52] <rickspencer3> so I'll look at those
 149 [17:52] <rickspencer3> in general, how do folks feel about the release?
 150 [17:53] <seb128> karmic rocks!
 151 [17:53] <rickspencer3> :)
 152 [17:53] <asac> yeah ;)
 153 [17:53] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, what seb128 said :)
 154 [17:53] <rickspencer3> ok, I agree with seb128
 155 [17:53]  * chrisccoulson thinks the same
 156 [17:53] <Riddell> a big improvement over jaunty here
 157 [17:53] <awe> +1
 158 [17:53] <pedro_> yeah it's going to rock
 159 [17:53] <rickspencer3> Jaunty was the best desktop I ever had, until a few weeks ago, and Karmic is by far
 160 [17:54] <rickspencer3> some really amazing and creative work went into it
 161 [17:54]  * ccheney will finally be upgraded to karmic ~ friday when his ram replacement comes in
 162 [17:54] <rickspencer3> so, let's finish strong!
 163 
 164 == Estern Edition ==
 165 
 166 <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yes
 167 <TheMuso> yes
 168 <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-10-13
 169  ok, first we (they really, pitti ran the meeting today) discussed the next gnome update
 170 <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, can do
 171 <rickspencer3> note that robert_ancell and seb128 will be quite busy with this next week
 172 <pitti> chrisccoulson: *hug*
 173 <rickspencer3> so no assigning bugs to robert_ancell at all hours for rickspencer3 during this time
 174 <robert_ancell> i wish it was gnome update day every day ;)
 175 <rickspencer3> seriously, we should all help with gnome by not overloading seb128 and robert_ancell, and
 176  anyone with spare cycles can pitch in and help
 177 * chrisccoulson hugs pitti
 178  TheMuso will have a few GNOME packages to update as well for that
 179 <rickspencer3> thanks TheMuso, good to remind us
 180  any questions about gnome updates next week?
 181 <TheMuso> no
 182  I'll be on hand to upload robert_ancell's stuff during the day as well, I'll make sure of it.
 183 <rickspencer3> TheMuso, great!
 184  next we discussed bugs
 185  first, looking at targeted and High bugs, not too many left
 186  though asac is finding bug 435073 a bit of a tough nut
 187 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 435073 in network-manager "NetworkManager 0.8 can not get IPv4 address for wired Auto connections because IPv6 fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435073
 188 <rickspencer3> and bryce's xorg work, and Kubuntu issues were not on the list
 189 <TheMuso> Right.
 190 <rickspencer3> so, what bugs are you guys working on that aren't on the list?
 191 * bryce perks up
 192 --- robbiew is now known as robbiew-afk
 193 * bryce waves and returns to patch review
 194 <robert_ancell> guest session fixes 425952
 195  bug 425952
 196 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 425952 in gdm-guest-session "gdm requiring password for guest session" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425952
 197 <robert_ancell> hey bryce, my text mode no longer works, if update doesn't fix that I might be bugging you :)
 198 <bryce> robert_ancell, sure just be sure to do `ubuntu-bug xorg` first
 199 <rickspencer3> ok, TheMuso, I see from your activity report and also your uploads you've been busy
 200  TheMuso, are there particular bugs that still worry you, such as that crasher in speech dispatcher?
 201 <bryce> robert_ancell, (also, be aware its probably a kernel drm bug)
 202 <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Yeah, and got one more big thing to nail today.
 203  rickspencer3: Its not worrying me to the point where I feel its almost a release blocker or anything, but one bug has come up that was due to dtchen overlooking an important piece in fixing volume restore issues. Bug 449589
 204 <robert_ancell> bryce, yes I'm assuming it's just a temporary issue which is why I'm waiting for the update (text mode seems to break quite frequently during upgrades)
 205 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 449589 in alsa-utils "Alsa mixer Master Front volume resets to minimum on startup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449589
 206 <TheMuso> rickspencer3: I intend to target that and fix it today.
 207 <chrisccoulson> right, time to look at file-roller crasher now
 208 <rickspencer3> noted
 209  ok, there's a couple of bugs that tkamppeter is working on that look rather serious
 210  bug 359975
 211 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 359975 in gtk+2.0 "evince sometimes yield error "Error printing: Too many failed attempts"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359975
 212 <rickspencer3> and bug 419143
 213 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 419143 in evince "Printing from evince (and perhaps other GTK apps) to PostScript printers is broken" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419143
 214 <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, could take a look at 359975 *after* you crack the guest login nut?
 215  It's a totally weird bug, and something tells me that you might bring a fresh perspective
 216 <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, ok, will do
 217 <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, from the upstream bug:
 218  And others confirmed that moving the mouse while focusing evince works 100% of
 219  the time. Don't laugh.
 220  so if you wave the mouse around while the document is spooling, it works
 221 <TheMuso> ROFL
 222 <rickspencer3> well, by "you" I mean user effected by this bug
 223  this might be one of those "won't print on Tuesdays" bugs
 224 <robert_ancell> weird...
 225 <rickspencer3> indeed
 226  upstream seems similarly mystified
 227 <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you want to upload another g-p-m change then? :)
 228 <pitti> chrisccoulson: yep, and also adding a git-formatted patch to upstream bug
 229 <rickspencer3> but printing pdfs seems rather a common scenario to me
 230 <chrisccoulson> thanks
 231 <TheMuso> rickspencer3: agreed
 232 <-- huats has quit ("Ex-Chat")
 233 <rickspencer3> ok, any other business?
 234 <chrisccoulson> pitti - can you not commit yet?
 235 <tkamppeter> bug 359975 should get a nice place at the side of the "OOo does not print on Tuesdays" bug in the Ubuntu history ...
 236 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 359975 in gtk+2.0 "evince sometimes yield error "Error printing: Too many failed attempts"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359975
 237 <TheMuso> rickspencer3: no
 238 <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, ?
 239 <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, no
 240 <rickspencer3> ok, that's the Easter Edition