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Meeting in #ubuntu-desktop at 16:30UTC

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Activity reports

Bryce Harrington (bryce)

Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson)

Chris Halse Rogers (RAOF)

Didier Roche (didrocks)

Gary Lasker (tremolux)

Jonathan Riddell (Riddell)

Ken VanDine (kenvandine)

Luke Yelavich (TheMuso)

Martin Pitt (pitti)

(Report for Monday only, last week was UDS):

Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox)

Michael Terry (mterry)

Robert Ancell (robert_ancell)

Sebastien Bacher (seb128)

Till Kamppeter (tkamppeter)

IRC LOG

(09:30:15 AM) jasoncwarner: 16:30 UTC. Everyone here?
(09:30:23 AM) jasoncwarner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-11-02
(09:30:33 AM) ***tremolux waves
(09:30:40 AM) didrocks: o/
(09:30:45 AM) pitti: o/
(09:30:58 AM) ***kenvandine waves
(09:31:04 AM) ***TheMuso is here.
(09:31:09 AM) ***rodrigo_ is here
(09:31:12 AM) seb128: hey jcastro
(09:31:15 AM) seb128: ups
(09:31:17 AM) mterry: o/
(09:31:17 AM) seb128: hey jasoncwarner
(09:32:08 AM) nessita left the room.
(09:32:30 AM) jasoncwarner: Ok. I guess we can get started!
(09:32:31 AM) ronoc [~ronoc@client-86-26-34-3.cht-bng-11.adsl.virginmedia.com] entered the room.
(09:32:32 AM) ***pitti gets spammed with more errors in WI definitions -- thanks everyone for being quick with drafting!
(09:33:08 AM) kenvandine: :)
(09:33:54 AM) ***pitti checks previous actions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-10-19 -- painfully slow network here
(09:33:54 AM) tkamppeter: hi
(09:34:02 AM) jasoncwarner: Ok, so as I understand post UDS schedules, we should be targeting today as the day we get the blueprints targeted to Natty, is that correct?
(09:35:16 AM) pitti: so, no outstanding actions AFAICS
(09:35:27 AM) jasoncwarner: Oh, I was corrected as well. First order of business
(09:35:30 AM) pitti: I already sent a reminder about this last Friday
(09:35:46 AM) jasoncwarner: We need to welcome rodrigo to the desktop team!
(09:35:52 AM) kenvandine: welcome rodrigo_!
(09:35:56 AM) pitti: basically, is everyone happy with the priorities and the spec list in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+specs?searchtext=desktop ?
(09:36:04 AM) tremolux: hey rodrigo_ !
(09:36:05 AM) ***pitti hugs rodrigo_, welcome!
(09:36:05 AM) rodrigo_: hi all!!
(09:36:06 AM) didrocks: hey rodrigo_ ;)
(09:36:20 AM) rodrigo_: thank you, really happy to be on this team
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(09:36:33 AM) seb128: rodrigo_, welcome!
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(09:36:45 AM) didrocks: pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-2d-experience-fallback should be essential, but it's not my spec and I can't change
(09:37:05 AM) pitti: didrocks: done
(09:37:13 AM) bryceh: welcome rodrigo_!
(09:37:13 AM) didrocks: thanks :)
(09:37:14 AM) geser [mb@ubuntu/member/geser] entered the room.
(09:37:20 AM) mterry: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-opportunistic-developer-manual should be targetted for natty, but I can't change that
(09:37:29 AM) mterry: rodrigo_, hihi
(09:37:34 AM) pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-oneconf also is new on the list -> Low? (didrocks <-)
(09:37:49 AM) cassidy: bigon, didrocks, seb128, kenvandine : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/663535
(09:37:51 AM) ubot2: Launchpad bug 663535 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Extreme poor Video Quality in Empathy (jabber) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
(09:37:57 AM) pitti: mterry: done
(09:37:58 AM) cassidy: would be nice to fix this in Maverick
(09:38:01 AM) mterry: pitti, thanks
(09:38:14 AM) didrocks: pitti: low sounds good
(09:38:16 AM) seb128: cassidy, hey, thanks, will look after the metting
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(09:38:21 AM) kenvandine: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-geoclue
(09:38:21 AM) pitti: mterry, rickspencer3: rick as approver is deliberate?
(09:38:30 AM) kenvandine: should be targeted
(09:38:41 AM) mterry: pitti, I'm not sure.  What are the implications of that?
(09:38:56 AM) pitti: mterry: as long as rickspencer3 is happy to do that, that's fine
(09:39:03 AM) pitti: certainly he has a particular interest in that subject :)
(09:39:14 AM) bigon: cassidy: option A) is the best I guess?
(09:39:23 AM) mterry: pitti, I can follow up with him about it
(09:39:24 AM) pitti: kenvandine: are we really going to do that for natty?
(09:39:24 AM) cassidy: bigon, yeah
(09:39:33 AM) kenvandine: pitti, that was the plan
(09:39:36 AM) kenvandine: pitti, in a small way :)
(09:39:39 AM) pitti: kenvandine: that was already targetted to lucid/m and we postponed because it wasn't ready yet?
(09:39:42 AM) kenvandine: indicator-datetime needs it
(09:39:43 AM) pitti: kenvandine: 'k
(09:39:47 AM) kenvandine: it is ready
(09:40:00 AM) kenvandine: but we are going in very low key... simple even
(09:40:02 AM) kenvandine: :)
(09:40:17 AM) rickspencer3: maybe set it to jasoncwarner?
(09:40:37 AM) pitti: kenvandine: is that medium or high? i. e. if it turns out to be broken, do we throw resources at it to fix it or drop it?
(09:40:47 AM) seb128: pitti, it's low or medium
(09:40:57 AM) seb128: it's a nice to have but we can opt that out easily
(09:41:03 AM) pitti: jasoncwarner: (sorry for 0wning the meeting ATM, please tell me to STFU if you want to talk about something else first)
(09:41:07 AM) pitti: seb128: ack
(09:41:07 AM) seb128: it's just a "do you want to change your timezone"
(09:41:11 AM) seb128: if you travel
(09:41:15 AM) kenvandine: low
(09:41:20 AM) kenvandine: and minimal work
(09:41:25 AM) pitti: cute
(09:41:29 AM) kenvandine: the package is in good condition
(09:41:37 AM) pitti: I agree to Low, folks can change it in the panel
(09:41:54 AM) kenvandine: just need to upload ubuntu-geoip and indicator-datetime
(09:41:59 AM) seb128: pitti, you can set me as approver if you want
(09:42:02 AM) kenvandine: the rest of the "must haves" there is IS :)
(09:42:09 AM) seb128: not sure if jasoncwarner wants to approve specs yet
(09:42:24 AM) pitti: rickspencer3: reviwing the book? didrocks as approver then, perhaps?
(09:42:27 AM) seb128: or if he still needs some time to get used to our workflow etc for now
(09:42:40 AM) pitti: seb128: you are already, sounds fine
(09:43:01 AM) rickspencer3: pitti, oh? for the book, I can stay approver, whatever
(09:43:18 AM) pitti: seb128: well, spec review is a typical tech lead responsibility
(09:43:38 AM) rodrigo_: who is the tech lead?
(09:43:49 AM) pitti: the targetting/milestone planning is more of a project mgmt thing, and thus we should all do that (with Jason driving)
(09:44:04 AM) pitti: rodrigo_: I guess me again, now that I'm back; unless seb128 wants to keep it :)
(09:44:19 AM) seb128: rodrigo_, pitti
(09:44:25 AM) rodrigo_: :)
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(09:44:31 AM) seb128: pitti, (meeting on friday 6pm are yours :p)
(09:44:37 AM) kenvandine: hehe
(09:44:37 AM) pitti: seb128: \o/
(09:44:37 AM) rodrigo_: hehe
(09:44:38 AM) didrocks: ahah :)
(09:44:39 AM) tremolux: haha
(09:44:44 AM) TheMuso: heh
(09:44:48 AM) kenvandine: seb128, you did a great job :)
(09:44:56 AM) seb128: kenvandine, thanks ;-)
(09:45:02 AM) pitti: with me being in ~ubuntu-release it actually makes sense for me to track our release state, that's fine
(09:45:11 AM) ***pitti hugs seb128 for being an great TL last cycle
(09:45:19 AM) ***tremolux applauds seb128
(09:45:27 AM) ***rodrigo_ applauds too
(09:45:28 AM) ***seb128 hugs pitti
(09:45:31 AM) seb128: thanks everybody
(09:45:33 AM) ***didrocks hugs seb128 as well :)
(09:45:35 AM) kenvandine: :)
(09:45:43 AM) seb128: I will still watch on desktop and dx don't worry
(09:45:49 AM) kenvandine: of course :)
(09:45:52 AM) seb128: no whip but I can still assign bugs :p
(09:45:56 AM) kenvandine: seb128 always sees all
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(09:46:28 AM) ***didrocks hopes that his back with all the scars will disappear soon :)
(09:46:32 AM) pitti: so, everyone else happy with their assigned specs for natty and their priorities?
(09:46:35 AM) TheMuso: lol
(09:46:51 AM) ***pitti tries to imagine didrocks without a back
(09:46:58 AM) didrocks: pitti: :p
(09:47:08 AM) kenvandine: haha
(09:47:15 AM) TheMuso: lol
(09:47:16 AM) pitti: aaanyway
(09:47:29 AM) pitti: so, we would like to try and be aggressive with getting our WIs ready for this cycle
(09:47:41 AM) rodrigo_: I have no blueprints assigned, although at UDS I talked about me working on a few of them, I guess that's ok, the assignee is the 'driver'?
(09:47:56 AM) pitti: since we don't have that many BPs this time (yay), I think it sohld be feasible for everyone to get the WIs on their drafted specs ready this week, and set it to "pending approval"
(09:47:59 AM) pitti: objections?
(09:48:03 AM) kenvandine: rodrigo_, yeah, you may just get work items from other blueprints
(09:48:08 AM) rodrigo_: ok
(09:48:20 AM) seb128: pitti, seems fine
(09:48:27 AM) kenvandine: pitti, wfm, i think i have them all done already :)
(09:48:30 AM) pitti: rodrigo_: "drafter" is responsible for leading the UDS session, keeping notes, and expanding into work items and documentation; assignee does the implementation
(09:48:39 AM) pitti: rodrigo_: in a lot of cases that's one and the same person, of course
(09:48:56 AM) didrocks: pitti: apart from WI, as we discussed that we don't want anymore wiki page, what do we need to fill in the dashboard for you to approve the spec?
(09:48:58 AM) pitti: rodrigo_: so you'll probably earn some WIs from other people's specs
(09:49:09 AM) pitti: for review I need
(09:49:11 AM) rodrigo_: pitti, ok then
(09:49:26 AM) pitti: - a detailled enough description to state problem, rationale, and approach to solution
(09:49:35 AM) pitti: - assignee in the desktop team
(09:49:46 AM) pitti: - work items must be clear and complete
(09:49:47 AM) seb128: \o/ on no wiki
(09:50:01 AM) ***didrocks +1 on \o/ no wiki
(09:50:06 AM) pitti: IF the spec is so complex that it needs lots of explanation, feel free to link a wiki page
(09:50:10 AM) mterry: Wait, you don't want wiki links for blueprints?
(09:50:12 AM) pitti: but for most specs it shouldn't be required
(09:50:19 AM) pitti: mterry: well, s/want/require/
(09:50:21 AM) seb128: (I was not sure if somebody would complain about me not asking for wiki summary last cycle)
(09:50:29 AM) seb128: (nice to see that others agree)
(09:50:44 AM) pitti: mterry: many specs are sufficiently well described in terms of detailled WIs
(09:50:48 AM) kenvandine: mterry, let me guess, you already drafted wiki pages?
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(09:50:53 AM) seb128: mterry, we just hate paperwork where it'sn not required ;-)
(09:51:11 AM) pitti: if I may quote my own spec, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint has 56 WIs and clearly states "GOAL" and extra notes
(09:51:47 AM) bryceh: wow, no wiki writeups?  interesting
(09:51:54 AM) mterry: kenvandine, :)
(09:52:08 AM) pitti: bryceh: as I said, if you want them as documentation or explanation, please do them
(09:52:24 AM) pitti: If a spec is not clear enough, I'll certainly follow up and complain :)
(09:52:34 AM) bryceh: fair enough :-)
(09:52:42 AM) ***kenvandine just wishes the whiteboards in blueprints used wiki formating :/
(09:53:01 AM) kenvandine: or some kind of formating
(09:53:07 AM) pitti: one request: to allow me to sensibly track the status, please do set the status to "PENDING APPROVAL" once you are done with it and want a review
(09:53:25 AM) pitti: I WON'T look at specs in "drafting"
(09:53:30 AM) chrisccoulson: oops, meeting time :/
(09:53:34 AM) kenvandine: ok
(09:53:47 AM) pitti: ok, cool
(09:53:47 AM) kenvandine: hey chrisccoulson, i think we are done, just assigned all the specs to you :)
(09:53:52 AM) chrisccoulson: lol
(09:53:55 AM) pitti: anything more on specs from anyone?
(09:53:56 AM) chrisccoulson: thanks \o/
(09:54:38 AM) ***pitti hands back mike to jasoncwarner for going on with the agenda
(09:54:43 AM) TheMuso: u/c
(09:54:56 AM) jasoncwarner: pitti: thanks
(09:55:05 AM) jasoncwarner: that was much crisper than if I had one that ;)
(09:55:27 AM) pitti: (I guess there's not much of a partner update at this early stage)
(09:55:27 AM) kenvandine: nope
(09:55:27 AM) kenvandine: :)
(09:55:27 AM) kenvandine: planning planning planning
(09:55:28 AM) kenvandine: moving along :)
(09:55:39 AM) jasoncwarner: So, high level, we wanted to get the BPs targeted to Natty and all WIs done this week.
(09:56:06 AM) jasoncwarner: pitti: agreed. Anyone have anything to say on partner update?
(09:56:06 AM) kenvandine: WIs created, not done :)
(09:56:07 AM) cyphermox__: all WIs done this week? eep! ;)
(09:56:22 AM) jasoncwarner: sorry, CREATED
(09:56:30 AM) jasoncwarner: :)
(09:56:37 AM) pitti: cyphermox__: well, not ": DONE", just written up :)
(09:56:37 AM) chrisccoulson: it seems that pitti has done most of his already ;)
(09:56:37 AM) kenvandine: hehe
(09:56:56 AM) jasoncwarner: How about a Kubuntu update, is Riddell here?
(09:57:03 AM) pitti: with at most three specs each it should be feasible
(09:57:18 AM) pitti: if you have more stuff to do than you can write down in one week, you *definitively* have too much
(09:57:27 AM) Riddell: jasoncwarner: certainly am
(09:57:38 AM) Riddell: currently in the process of collating our Todo list
(09:57:49 AM) Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty is where it'll end up
(09:58:10 AM) Riddell: the notes from the sessions are up on the proceedings pages and I've tidied them all up now https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
(09:58:33 AM) jasoncwarner: Riddell: awesome, thanks. timeframe for todo list? possible to get it settled this week to coincide with creation of work items?
(09:58:51 AM) Riddell: jasoncwarner: I'm doing it now, should take an hour or so
(09:59:04 AM) kenvandine: Riddell, can you also get me that bug # we had talked about?
(09:59:05 AM) pitti: Riddell: do you want me to set up a WI tracker for this, or do you and the Kubuntu community just use the wiki
(09:59:07 AM) Riddell: probably less, tidying up the session notes is what's taken most time
(09:59:07 AM) pitti: ?
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(09:59:25 AM) Riddell: pitti: if you could set a WI tracker for that wiki page that would be interesting
(09:59:29 AM) Riddell: kenvandine: which one was that?
(09:59:40 AM) kenvandine: the qt one
(10:00:03 AM) pitti: Riddell: will look into that
(10:00:03 AM) kenvandine: we talked about on friday night
(10:00:14 AM) Riddell: kenvandine: which Qt bug?  (I'm jet lagged, memory not working so great..)
(10:00:22 AM) Riddell: kenvandine: oh I know
(10:00:28 AM) kenvandine: something about the look of qt apps in gtk
(10:00:32 AM) Riddell: the gnome file dialogue one
(10:00:37 AM) Riddell: yes I'll find that out
(10:00:42 AM) kenvandine: yeah
(10:00:42 AM) kenvandine: thx
(10:00:51 AM) jasoncwarner: anything else?
(10:01:07 AM) jasoncwarner: Riddell: you'll work with pitti to setup WI tracker? Is that the approach?
(10:01:17 AM) pitti: jasoncwarner: sounds like an action for me
(10:01:23 AM) Riddell: yes
(10:01:30 AM) jasoncwarner: [ACTION] pitti setup WI tracker for Kubuntu
(10:01:36 AM) jasoncwarner: Ok.
(10:01:43 AM) ara left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).
(10:01:49 AM) jasoncwarner: There is a big action I guess
(10:02:13 AM) jasoncwarner: [ACTION] everyone write their specs and get them approved (forgive if I used wrong words ;) )
(10:02:22 AM) pitti: jasoncwarner: sounds fine
(10:02:29 AM) TheMuso: Sounds about right.
(10:02:50 AM) jasoncwarner: Ok, what did we miss? Pitti? seb128? anything else we need to talk about?
(10:03:07 AM) pitti: jasoncwarner: nothing from me
(10:03:16 AM) pitti: no release status yet
(10:03:21 AM) pitti: since we don't have anything to release yet :)
(10:03:50 AM) pitti: so, that sounds like a wrap
(10:03:54 AM) jasoncwarner: Ok, if nothing else
(10:03:54 AM) seb128: jasoncwarner, nothing from me either
(10:04:10 AM) jasoncwarner: I don't have a gavle or anything to officially end a meeting
(10:04:16 AM) jasoncwarner: so, uh, end of meeting!
(10:04:18 AM) seb128: if you have some spare time this week please work on merges and sponsoring
(10:04:18 AM) pitti: not in this channel
(10:04:21 AM) ***rickspencer3 hands jasoncwarner the gavel
(10:04:28 AM) pitti: in #ubuntu-meeting, there is one actually :) (#endmeeting)
(10:04:37 AM) jasoncwarner: #endmeeting
(10:04:41 AM) pitti: rickspencer3: did you hand him your whip yet?
(10:04:42 AM) jasoncwarner: :)
(10:04:47 AM) TheMuso: heh
(10:04:51 AM) rickspencer3: pitti, I have kept the whip
(10:04:53 AM) didrocks: rickspencer3: keep it, keep it :)
(10:04:53 AM) ***kenvandine hears whip cracking noises
(10:04:56 AM) didrocks: \o/
(10:04:59 AM) bryceh: rickspencer3's gonna still need the whip
(10:04:59 AM) rodrigo_: seb128, merges from debian?
(10:05:04 AM) pitti: rickspencer3: right, you need it for the entire platform team now, to chase people into sponsoring
(10:05:14 AM) TheMuso: If anything, rickspencer3 will be thickening it I suspect...
(10:05:19 AM) pitti: jasoncwarner: sorry, you need to get your own
(10:05:41 AM) TheMuso: u...and adding a few more strands.
(10:05:44 AM) seb128: rodrigo_, yes
(10:05:52 AM) jasoncwarner: ;)
(10:06:10 AM) seb128: would be nice to be done with merges early and to clean the sponsoring queue a bit
(10:06:26 AM) TheMuso: Afaik there are still a lot of new merges on mom
(10:06:27 AM) rickspencer3: jasoncwarner, I always said "/me taps gavel" at the end of the meeting, so I could search for it in the logs

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