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18:31:37        pitti   first, a FYI
18:31:38        pitti   http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
18:31:59        mterry  hah!
18:32:00        pitti   I cleaned up a bit yesterday, and postponed some unimportant/blocked stuff, and moved important ones to b2
18:32:09        mterry  looks like some aggressive cleanup  :)
18:32:14        pitti   so we are down to 1 WI for dpm to talk about mozilla upstream translations which isn't bound by the freeze
18:32:23        pitti   mterry: well, half of the cleanup was actually a bug
18:32:38        mpt     mterry, ok, eventually this should be split out into a spec for the location field in general, but for now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate?action=diff&rev2=32&rev1=31
18:32:39        pitti   we have moved a lot of stuff to beta-2 before, but the milestone didn't exist in Launchpad until yesterday
18:32:47        pitti   so you can now actually target stuff to beta-2
18:33:35        chrisccoulson   hi!
18:33:38        pitti   as for release critical bugs, these are on the "worrying" radar right now:
18:34:07        pitti   bug 727372  -- chrisccoulson, it's getting a little late for more intrusive changes; do you think we can go ahead with our patch?
18:34:07        ubot2   Launchpad bug 727372 in firefox "FF 4 requires both .desktop and gconf entries for url handlers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727372
18:34:41        pitti   bug 663294 - chrisccoulson, micahg: is it good enough to build with gcc-4.4 on i386? (as we did in maverick)
18:34:42        ubot2   Launchpad bug 663294 in gcc-4.5 "Firefox built with gcc-4.5 is a non-starter on i386 with -pie" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663294
18:35:13        chrisccoulson   pitti - bug 727372 - i'm just waiting for a nod from mozilla to take that patch (i'm reluctant to take it without review)
18:35:14        ubot2   Launchpad bug 727372 in firefox "FF 4 requires both .desktop and gconf entries for url handlers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727372
18:35:33        pitti   bug 725434 - bryceh, seb128 -- seb did a summary why a package split is inordinarily hackish and complicated -- should we go with the PPA approach for natty after all?
18:35:34        ubot2   Launchpad bug 725434 in cairo "Nvidia drivers lead to extra memory usage for each process using libGL" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725434
18:35:45        pitti   chrisccoulson: ok, so by and large "blocked"?
18:36:13        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah. i've already taken quite a few patches i worked on, but all the ones i've taken have already had some sort of review
18:36:44        pitti   chrisccoulson: ok, good to know; thanks
18:37:02        chrisccoulson   pitti - i don't see it being a problem. the change is pretty small tbh, and i don't think there's much risk of not being able to ship it
18:37:50        pitti   chrisccoulson: would another ping to mozilla speed it up or annoy them?
18:38:02        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah, probably ;)
18:38:11        pitti   anyway, I guess we should discuss libcairo after the meeting, not that interesting for everyone
18:38:13        chrisccoulson   i'll talk to my contact when he's online later
18:38:15        seb128  wrong reply to a "or" question ;-)
18:38:25        seb128  you need to pick a choice
18:38:27        seb128  ;-)
18:38:29        chrisccoulson   oops
18:38:32        chrisccoulson   annoy ;)
18:38:33        chrisccoulson   lol
18:38:36        pitti   otherwise we're doing ok RC bug wise
18:38:37        chrisccoulson   there we go :)
18:38:43        pitti   :)
18:38:48        chrisccoulson   i only saw 1 option ;)
18:38:59        pitti   yeah, just my annoying blabla
18:39:13        pitti   which I'll now stop by handing the mic to kenvandine :)
18:39:16        pitti   partner update?
18:39:19        kenvandine      sure
18:39:28        seb128  "oh, pitti writing again, just tell him 'yes' so he's happy :p" ;-)
18:39:50        kenvandine      UbuntuOne has nothing really to report, they are cleaning up their work items
18:40:08        kenvandine      DX
18:40:29        kenvandine      i assume all the desktopers already know we will drop to classic gnome for a11y this cycle
18:40:38        pitti   for some profiles, anyway?
18:40:42        kenvandine      with hopes that people will test unity more with a11y before Oneiric
18:40:50        pitti   (the ones which need speech, I guess)
18:40:52        kenvandine      yeah
18:41:17        kenvandine      TheMuso is handling that
18:41:21        pitti   I'd be interested in how well it holds up in "mouse deficiency" profiles, though
18:41:33        pitti   from my POV unity works with a keyboard a lot easier than GNOME
18:41:41        pitti   (in fact it rocks!)
18:41:46        didrocks        pitti: unity is fully keynav nagivable from the latest tests we made
18:41:46        kenvandine      overlay scrollbars, the release team rejected the FFE
18:41:48        kenvandine      pitti, indeed
18:41:57        kenvandine      didrocks, yes, it rocks from the keyboard
18:42:22        cyphermox       pitti, I already can tell you keyboard navigation breaks in indicator-datetime because the calendar widget catches focus and doesn't let go
18:42:33        kenvandine      that is all i have
18:42:43        kenvandine      cyphermox, i hadn't noticed, is there a bug for that?
18:42:52        pitti   cyphermox: that sounds smamll enough to be fixable, though; mind to report it?
18:42:59        pitti   cyphermox: (and good catch!)
18:43:00        cyphermox       kenvandine, I don't know, I found that out this morning :)
18:43:09        didrocks        (just confirmed)
18:43:11        mterry  Bug 676222 I think
18:43:12        pitti   heh indeed, confirmed
18:43:12        ubot2   Launchpad bug 676222 in indicator-datetime "Broken/confusing keyboard navigation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676222
18:43:18         *      kenvandine confirmed too
18:43:22        cyphermox       seems to fit that yes
18:43:50        pitti   not that I could even get to this with the keyboard in the pre-indicator time :)
18:44:06        pitti   kenvandine: thank you
18:44:26        pitti   didrocks already posted a detailled and great report to the wiki
18:44:34         *      pitti gives everyone some time to read it
18:44:42        pitti   didrocks: anything you want/need to discuss?
18:44:53        didrocks        just hilighting some points
18:45:05        Riddell pitti: which wiki page?
18:45:07        pitti   where do you currently see the biggest problems?
18:45:11        pitti   Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-29
18:45:17        didrocks        first, we get a crazy number of bug fixes this week
18:45:21        didrocks        https://launchpad.net/unity/3.0/3.6.8
18:45:42        pitti   didrocks: (isn't that "last week"? we already have 3.6.8)
18:45:43        didrocks        however, we have some crashes still for beta1, mostly on signals not beeing disconnected
18:45:47        didrocks        we fixed most of them today
18:45:50        pitti   \o/
18:46:05        didrocks        pitti: well, "this week" being "last release available" yeah ;)
18:46:08        pitti   this is driving me mad, I'll happily test anything if needed
18:46:08        Riddell when I ran the Ubuntu Desktop live CD yesterday Unity didn't show up
18:46:26        didrocks        Riddell: did you get anything? was compiz running?
18:46:31        pitti   Riddell: oh, interesting; I tried on three machines today, and I couldn't replicate that any more (I still could with alpha-3)
18:46:56        Riddell didrocks: it was a virtual machine, I don't think compiz was running, I did get files on the desktop but no panels
18:46:57        pitti   of course I booted it with the intent to debug it, so it's pretty clear why it worked
18:47:08        didrocks        also, just hilighting as well some UI changes comng: (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/744973, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/741926, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/727901)
18:47:09        ubot2   Launchpad bug 744973 in unity "Make the BFB icon turn blue when an application goes urgent" [High,Fix committed]
18:47:10        pitti   Riddell: ah, so 2D fallback broken?
18:47:10        seb128  Riddell, it's a known issue
18:47:15        Riddell pitti: could be
18:47:16        seb128  well rendering issue
18:47:18        pitti   seb128: is it?
18:47:19        seb128  gnome-panel is running
18:47:25        didrocks        yeah, gnome-panel running, not showing
18:47:27        seb128  i.e alt-f2 opens the run a command dialog
18:47:31        didrocks        there is a bug I reported for alpha3 about it
18:47:35        pitti   I haven't tried beta-1 candidates in kvm, but it has worked fine until a3
18:47:39        seb128  it does the same there in kvm
18:47:42        didrocks        I reopened it as it was wrongly close
18:48:26        pitti   didrocks: ok, so apart from the closure crashes, anything else which we need to track, or should help with?
18:48:26        didrocks        bug #711378
18:48:28        ubot2   Launchpad bug 711378 in compiz "after compiz crashed, gnome-panel isn't mapped again" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711378
18:48:29        seb128  well it did when I tried thursday daily, I need to try again with today's iso, I've been testing on real hardware today
18:48:53        didrocks        pitti: just testing testing… ;) next week, a new "unity and compiz detection tool" will be available
18:48:55        pitti   odd, a3 worked perfectly in VMs and poorly on real iron; now it's the other way round?
18:49:04        didrocks        way faster than the older one
18:49:09        pitti   didrocks: ok, that sounds relieving!
18:49:11        pitti   thanks
18:49:31        didrocks        so, if you can ensure that the right session is still launched on your hw, that would be great :)
18:49:40        pitti   Software-Center -- tremolux also already posted to the wiki, anything to discuss there?
18:50:00        pitti   seb128, didrocks: ah, confirming the kvm bug
18:50:10        tremolux        hey, not much to say really, just all bugfixing all the time now
18:51:58        pitti   tremolux: ok, great; #507836, #739908, and #723911 are still on the radar?
18:52:24        pitti   == Kubuntu status -- Riddell ?
18:52:30        Riddell hi
18:52:36        Riddell  * CDs in decent shape for beta
18:52:36        Riddell  * arm builds mostly complete from opengles failures, waiting on linero team to report back on avogadro
18:52:39        Riddell  * Qt security fix for Comodo fake SSL certificates in natty and backports sent to security team
18:52:42        Riddell  * KDE SC 4.6.2 due out the Tuesday after Beta 1
18:52:45        Riddell  * probable FFe coming for new Phonon version after beta, we won't include the zeitgeist integration
18:52:48        Riddell  * http://goo.gl/23eui 7 milestoned bugs for beta
18:52:50        Riddell  * bug 744944 broken upgrade is worrying
18:52:51        ubot2   Launchpad bug 744944 in kdebase-workspace "kdm is restarted during the upgrade to Natty . The user is disconnected from the session" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744944
18:52:53        Riddell  * bug 712061 kubuntu mobile should be fixed shortly
18:52:54        ubot2   Launchpad bug 712061 in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings "kubuntu mobile images fail to load" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712061
18:53:12        Riddell when I say shortly, I mean after a 14 hour ARM compile
18:53:16        seiflotfy       Riddell, why not
18:53:16        pitti   Riddell: 744944 -> is that a bug in the upstart script?
18:53:17        seiflotfy       ?
18:53:38        pitti   Riddell: erm, in postinst I mean
18:53:55        Riddell seiflotfy: I think it's a feature too far for post-beta, but we will include qzeitgeist in the archive and have phonon+zeitgeist in a PPA
18:54:00        Riddell pitti: I don't know yet
18:54:07        seiflotfy       ah nice
18:54:10        seiflotfy       Riddell, that is nice
18:54:17        pitti   Riddell: it might get an automatic "restart" thing from dh_installinit perhaps?
18:54:25        seiflotfy       we are looking into a KDE GSoC for Zeitgeist
18:54:30        seiflotfy       a nice plasma widget
18:54:33        pitti   or perhaps it crashes and tries to respawn
18:55:24        Riddell pitti: things to investigate for sure
18:55:36        pitti   ok, thanks
18:55:40        pitti   X.org -> eastern edition
18:56:03        pitti   another general reminder, peer reviews for your colleagues are due this week
18:56:08        pitti   (self/manager review was due last Fri)
18:56:15        pitti   otherwise, nothing else from me
18:56:19        pitti   any other business?
18:57:26        Sweetshark      pitti: my plans for this week: minor fixes for the 3.3.2 release, integrating dbusmenu upstream for 3.4, some cleanup of the LO debian/rules file (debian upstream, not use in doing that alone -- ill just propose some patches to _rene_ and will see what he will accept. if he does not accept, I will scrap that. doing for us only are causing more trouble on the merge that we might win)
18:58:10        pitti   Sweetshark: "dbusmenu" -> is that lo-menubar?
18:58:38        Sweetshark      pitti: yes
18:58:39        pitti   Sweetshark: agreed, less delta > less noise
18:58:44        pitti   cool
18:59:10        pitti   hyphenation, dicts, etc. should all be sorted out now, AFAICS
18:59:23        seb128  speaking about libdbusmenu, firefox display warnings when starting now
18:59:26        pitti   http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt looks exemplary for this time of the release :)
18:59:26        seb128  chrisccoulson, ^
18:59:42        seb128  pitti, great ;-)
18:59:42        chrisccoulson   seb128 - it's just 1 warning isn't it?
18:59:46        seb128  chrisccoulson, right
19:00:03        pitti   it also seems that KDE is much happier on armel these days: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html
19:00:27        pitti   nvidia/fglrx uninstallability is intended (wrong ABI), aside from that i386/amd64 is perfect
19:00:30        pitti   let's keep it that way!
19:00:35        chrisccoulson   seb128:
19:00:35        chrisccoulson   (firefox-bin:6565): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-CRITICAL **: dbusmenu_menuitem_property_set_shortcut: assertion `gtk_accelerator_valid(key, modifier)' failed
19:00:38        chrisccoulson   just that one?
19:00:41        seb128  right
19:00:43        pitti   so, thanks everyone, let's adjourn the meeting

IRC log Eastern edition

DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-29  (last edited 2011-03-29 17:02:36 by pD9EB4DAC)