2011-03-29

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Weekly Summary

  • Ongoing effort to eliminate xulrunner-1.9.2 and xulrunner-2.0 from main (#740815) (chrisccoulson, pitti)

  • pygobject has moved from obsolete pysupport to dh_python2. That means that all packages which ship Python GI overrides can and should now also use dh_python2. (pitti)

  • language-selector and language-support-* packages now install the correct and current LibreOffice compatible dictionaries and thesauri. (pitti)

  • libdee is finally working reliably with python, so we can reliably support Unity places/lenses written in python. (kenvandine)
  • GNOME3 PPA starting to get 2.91.93 (RC) update (ricotz, robert_ancell, rodrigo)
  • "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" latest strings changed to "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu Desktop Classic" to "Ubuntu Classic" in gnome-session, Unity packages description was done last week.
  • Lots of indicator-datetime fixes landing in trunk (mterry)
  • LibreOffice: (Bjoern Michaelsen)

    • new upstream release: 3.3.2
    • reenabled Launchpad integration LP#696524
    • fixed some translations for LP#696526
    • released to:
      • natty as 3.3.2-1ubuntu2
      • ppa as 3.3.2-1ubunt2~maverick1 for maverick still building
      • lucid for ppa will follow
    • work on reenabling unit and system test on LO upstream

Partner update

DX

  • a11y - For natty we'll drop to a classic GNOME session for a11y and encourage people to test with Unity to help improve a11y for Oneiric
  • overlay scrollbars
    • FFE bug 730740 wasn't approved by the release team

  • bugs, bugs bugs...

UbuntuOne

  • nothing to report, just bug fixing

Unity

  • As usual, unity (and related components) release (late Wednesday… hum, early Thursday morning!) ready for beta (3.6.8) + some bug fixes cherry-picked crash fixes for the beta freeze.
  • This week, we got, in addition to a lot of bug fixes:
    • MT full support handling. If you didn't test it and you have a supported hardware, you should probably give it a try, the handles (that you can activate by ccsm and a keybinding) are just… gorgious!
    • Introduction of a pending waiting for approval "fade and slide" effect when hovering the bfb (in experimental plugin settings) that may be set by default
    • Some keynav better handling in both the launcher and the dash, as well as Quicklist having now the title name in the Quicklist (as in maverick)
    • Launcher now respond to theme change!
    • Under the cover, a rewrite of the Hide behavior machine enabling more effective automated tests.
  • New Zeigeist synced with debian to get in sync with latest debian stack
  • Some new compiz uploads to fix miscellanous issues, like more invisible window fixes, Alt + Tab fixes, some redrawing issues and autorespawn on crash

For people found of the full story, the now classic link: https://launchpad.net/unity/3.0/3.6.8

  • On a11y, seems that Luke reported that the a11y isn't ready yet, so the default session for Natty if accessibility is enabled will be the GNOME classic session. We will still continue to work on a11y and Unity of course.
  • Next week, on your computer screen:

Software Center

  • Released Software Center versions 3.1.24.1 through 3.1.23.4, includes:
    • Last of the planned UI improvements before freeze
    • Many bug fixes
  • The team is now focused on bugfixes, stability and usability improvements

Kubuntu

X.org

IRC log Western edition

18:31:37        pitti   first, a FYI
18:31:38        pitti   http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
18:31:59        mterry  hah!
18:32:00        pitti   I cleaned up a bit yesterday, and postponed some unimportant/blocked stuff, and moved important ones to b2
18:32:09        mterry  looks like some aggressive cleanup  :)
18:32:14        pitti   so we are down to 1 WI for dpm to talk about mozilla upstream translations which isn't bound by the freeze
18:32:23        pitti   mterry: well, half of the cleanup was actually a bug
18:32:38        mpt     mterry, ok, eventually this should be split out into a spec for the location field in general, but for now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate?action=diff&rev2=32&rev1=31
18:32:39        pitti   we have moved a lot of stuff to beta-2 before, but the milestone didn't exist in Launchpad until yesterday
18:32:47        pitti   so you can now actually target stuff to beta-2
18:33:35        chrisccoulson   hi!
18:33:38        pitti   as for release critical bugs, these are on the "worrying" radar right now:
18:34:07        pitti   bug 727372  -- chrisccoulson, it's getting a little late for more intrusive changes; do you think we can go ahead with our patch?
18:34:07        ubot2   Launchpad bug 727372 in firefox "FF 4 requires both .desktop and gconf entries for url handlers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727372
18:34:41        pitti   bug 663294 - chrisccoulson, micahg: is it good enough to build with gcc-4.4 on i386? (as we did in maverick)
18:34:42        ubot2   Launchpad bug 663294 in gcc-4.5 "Firefox built with gcc-4.5 is a non-starter on i386 with -pie" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663294
18:35:13        chrisccoulson   pitti - bug 727372 - i'm just waiting for a nod from mozilla to take that patch (i'm reluctant to take it without review)
18:35:14        ubot2   Launchpad bug 727372 in firefox "FF 4 requires both .desktop and gconf entries for url handlers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727372
18:35:33        pitti   bug 725434 - bryceh, seb128 -- seb did a summary why a package split is inordinarily hackish and complicated -- should we go with the PPA approach for natty after all?
18:35:34        ubot2   Launchpad bug 725434 in cairo "Nvidia drivers lead to extra memory usage for each process using libGL" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725434
18:35:45        pitti   chrisccoulson: ok, so by and large "blocked"?
18:36:13        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah. i've already taken quite a few patches i worked on, but all the ones i've taken have already had some sort of review
18:36:44        pitti   chrisccoulson: ok, good to know; thanks
18:37:02        chrisccoulson   pitti - i don't see it being a problem. the change is pretty small tbh, and i don't think there's much risk of not being able to ship it
18:37:50        pitti   chrisccoulson: would another ping to mozilla speed it up or annoy them?
18:38:02        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah, probably ;)
18:38:11        pitti   anyway, I guess we should discuss libcairo after the meeting, not that interesting for everyone
18:38:13        chrisccoulson   i'll talk to my contact when he's online later
18:38:15        seb128  wrong reply to a "or" question ;-)
18:38:25        seb128  you need to pick a choice
18:38:27        seb128  ;-)
18:38:29        chrisccoulson   oops
18:38:32        chrisccoulson   annoy ;)
18:38:33        chrisccoulson   lol
18:38:36        pitti   otherwise we're doing ok RC bug wise
18:38:37        chrisccoulson   there we go :)
18:38:43        pitti   :)
18:38:48        chrisccoulson   i only saw 1 option ;)
18:38:59        pitti   yeah, just my annoying blabla
18:39:13        pitti   which I'll now stop by handing the mic to kenvandine :)
18:39:16        pitti   partner update?
18:39:19        kenvandine      sure
18:39:28        seb128  "oh, pitti writing again, just tell him 'yes' so he's happy :p" ;-)
18:39:50        kenvandine      UbuntuOne has nothing really to report, they are cleaning up their work items
18:40:08        kenvandine      DX
18:40:29        kenvandine      i assume all the desktopers already know we will drop to classic gnome for a11y this cycle
18:40:38        pitti   for some profiles, anyway?
18:40:42        kenvandine      with hopes that people will test unity more with a11y before Oneiric
18:40:50        pitti   (the ones which need speech, I guess)
18:40:52        kenvandine      yeah
18:41:17        kenvandine      TheMuso is handling that
18:41:21        pitti   I'd be interested in how well it holds up in "mouse deficiency" profiles, though
18:41:33        pitti   from my POV unity works with a keyboard a lot easier than GNOME
18:41:41        pitti   (in fact it rocks!)
18:41:46        didrocks        pitti: unity is fully keynav nagivable from the latest tests we made
18:41:46        kenvandine      overlay scrollbars, the release team rejected the FFE
18:41:48        kenvandine      pitti, indeed
18:41:57        kenvandine      didrocks, yes, it rocks from the keyboard
18:42:22        cyphermox       pitti, I already can tell you keyboard navigation breaks in indicator-datetime because the calendar widget catches focus and doesn't let go
18:42:33        kenvandine      that is all i have
18:42:43        kenvandine      cyphermox, i hadn't noticed, is there a bug for that?
18:42:52        pitti   cyphermox: that sounds smamll enough to be fixable, though; mind to report it?
18:42:59        pitti   cyphermox: (and good catch!)
18:43:00        cyphermox       kenvandine, I don't know, I found that out this morning :)
18:43:09        didrocks        (just confirmed)
18:43:11        mterry  Bug 676222 I think
18:43:12        pitti   heh indeed, confirmed
18:43:12        ubot2   Launchpad bug 676222 in indicator-datetime "Broken/confusing keyboard navigation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676222
18:43:18         *      kenvandine confirmed too
18:43:22        cyphermox       seems to fit that yes
18:43:50        pitti   not that I could even get to this with the keyboard in the pre-indicator time :)
18:44:06        pitti   kenvandine: thank you
18:44:26        pitti   didrocks already posted a detailled and great report to the wiki
18:44:34         *      pitti gives everyone some time to read it
18:44:42        pitti   didrocks: anything you want/need to discuss?
18:44:53        didrocks        just hilighting some points
18:45:05        Riddell pitti: which wiki page?
18:45:07        pitti   where do you currently see the biggest problems?
18:45:11        pitti   Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-29
18:45:17        didrocks        first, we get a crazy number of bug fixes this week
18:45:21        didrocks        https://launchpad.net/unity/3.0/3.6.8
18:45:42        pitti   didrocks: (isn't that "last week"? we already have 3.6.8)
18:45:43        didrocks        however, we have some crashes still for beta1, mostly on signals not beeing disconnected
18:45:47        didrocks        we fixed most of them today
18:45:50        pitti   \o/
18:46:05        didrocks        pitti: well, "this week" being "last release available" yeah ;)
18:46:08        pitti   this is driving me mad, I'll happily test anything if needed
18:46:08        Riddell when I ran the Ubuntu Desktop live CD yesterday Unity didn't show up
18:46:26        didrocks        Riddell: did you get anything? was compiz running?
18:46:31        pitti   Riddell: oh, interesting; I tried on three machines today, and I couldn't replicate that any more (I still could with alpha-3)
18:46:56        Riddell didrocks: it was a virtual machine, I don't think compiz was running, I did get files on the desktop but no panels
18:46:57        pitti   of course I booted it with the intent to debug it, so it's pretty clear why it worked
18:47:08        didrocks        also, just hilighting as well some UI changes comng: (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/744973, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/741926, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/727901)
18:47:09        ubot2   Launchpad bug 744973 in unity "Make the BFB icon turn blue when an application goes urgent" [High,Fix committed]
18:47:10        pitti   Riddell: ah, so 2D fallback broken?
18:47:10        seb128  Riddell, it's a known issue
18:47:15        Riddell pitti: could be
18:47:16        seb128  well rendering issue
18:47:18        pitti   seb128: is it?
18:47:19        seb128  gnome-panel is running
18:47:25        didrocks        yeah, gnome-panel running, not showing
18:47:27        seb128  i.e alt-f2 opens the run a command dialog
18:47:31        didrocks        there is a bug I reported for alpha3 about it
18:47:35        pitti   I haven't tried beta-1 candidates in kvm, but it has worked fine until a3
18:47:39        seb128  it does the same there in kvm
18:47:42        didrocks        I reopened it as it was wrongly close
18:48:26        pitti   didrocks: ok, so apart from the closure crashes, anything else which we need to track, or should help with?
18:48:26        didrocks        bug #711378
18:48:28        ubot2   Launchpad bug 711378 in compiz "after compiz crashed, gnome-panel isn't mapped again" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711378
18:48:29        seb128  well it did when I tried thursday daily, I need to try again with today's iso, I've been testing on real hardware today
18:48:53        didrocks        pitti: just testing testing… ;) next week, a new "unity and compiz detection tool" will be available
18:48:55        pitti   odd, a3 worked perfectly in VMs and poorly on real iron; now it's the other way round?
18:49:04        didrocks        way faster than the older one
18:49:09        pitti   didrocks: ok, that sounds relieving!
18:49:11        pitti   thanks
18:49:31        didrocks        so, if you can ensure that the right session is still launched on your hw, that would be great :)
18:49:40        pitti   Software-Center -- tremolux also already posted to the wiki, anything to discuss there?
18:50:00        pitti   seb128, didrocks: ah, confirming the kvm bug
18:50:10        tremolux        hey, not much to say really, just all bugfixing all the time now
18:51:58        pitti   tremolux: ok, great; #507836, #739908, and #723911 are still on the radar?
18:52:24        pitti   == Kubuntu status -- Riddell ?
18:52:30        Riddell hi
18:52:36        Riddell  * CDs in decent shape for beta
18:52:36        Riddell  * arm builds mostly complete from opengles failures, waiting on linero team to report back on avogadro
18:52:39        Riddell  * Qt security fix for Comodo fake SSL certificates in natty and backports sent to security team
18:52:42        Riddell  * KDE SC 4.6.2 due out the Tuesday after Beta 1
18:52:45        Riddell  * probable FFe coming for new Phonon version after beta, we won't include the zeitgeist integration
18:52:48        Riddell  * http://goo.gl/23eui 7 milestoned bugs for beta
18:52:50        Riddell  * bug 744944 broken upgrade is worrying
18:52:51        ubot2   Launchpad bug 744944 in kdebase-workspace "kdm is restarted during the upgrade to Natty . The user is disconnected from the session" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744944
18:52:53        Riddell  * bug 712061 kubuntu mobile should be fixed shortly
18:52:54        ubot2   Launchpad bug 712061 in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings "kubuntu mobile images fail to load" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712061
18:53:12        Riddell when I say shortly, I mean after a 14 hour ARM compile
18:53:16        seiflotfy       Riddell, why not
18:53:16        pitti   Riddell: 744944 -> is that a bug in the upstart script?
18:53:17        seiflotfy       ?
18:53:38        pitti   Riddell: erm, in postinst I mean
18:53:55        Riddell seiflotfy: I think it's a feature too far for post-beta, but we will include qzeitgeist in the archive and have phonon+zeitgeist in a PPA
18:54:00        Riddell pitti: I don't know yet
18:54:07        seiflotfy       ah nice
18:54:10        seiflotfy       Riddell, that is nice
18:54:17        pitti   Riddell: it might get an automatic "restart" thing from dh_installinit perhaps?
18:54:25        seiflotfy       we are looking into a KDE GSoC for Zeitgeist
18:54:30        seiflotfy       a nice plasma widget
18:54:33        pitti   or perhaps it crashes and tries to respawn
18:55:24        Riddell pitti: things to investigate for sure
18:55:36        pitti   ok, thanks
18:55:40        pitti   X.org -> eastern edition
18:56:03        pitti   another general reminder, peer reviews for your colleagues are due this week
18:56:08        pitti   (self/manager review was due last Fri)
18:56:15        pitti   otherwise, nothing else from me
18:56:19        pitti   any other business?
18:57:26        Sweetshark      pitti: my plans for this week: minor fixes for the 3.3.2 release, integrating dbusmenu upstream for 3.4, some cleanup of the LO debian/rules file (debian upstream, not use in doing that alone -- ill just propose some patches to _rene_ and will see what he will accept. if he does not accept, I will scrap that. doing for us only are causing more trouble on the merge that we might win)
18:58:10        pitti   Sweetshark: "dbusmenu" -> is that lo-menubar?
18:58:38        Sweetshark      pitti: yes
18:58:39        pitti   Sweetshark: agreed, less delta > less noise
18:58:44        pitti   cool
18:59:10        pitti   hyphenation, dicts, etc. should all be sorted out now, AFAICS
18:59:23        seb128  speaking about libdbusmenu, firefox display warnings when starting now
18:59:26        pitti   http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt looks exemplary for this time of the release :)
18:59:26        seb128  chrisccoulson, ^
18:59:42        seb128  pitti, great ;-)
18:59:42        chrisccoulson   seb128 - it's just 1 warning isn't it?
18:59:46        seb128  chrisccoulson, right
19:00:03        pitti   it also seems that KDE is much happier on armel these days: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html
19:00:27        pitti   nvidia/fglrx uninstallability is intended (wrong ABI), aside from that i386/amd64 is perfect
19:00:30        pitti   let's keep it that way!
19:00:35        chrisccoulson   seb128:
19:00:35        chrisccoulson   (firefox-bin:6565): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-CRITICAL **: dbusmenu_menuitem_property_set_shortcut: assertion `gtk_accelerator_valid(key, modifier)' failed
19:00:38        chrisccoulson   just that one?
19:00:41        seb128  right
19:00:43        pitti   so, thanks everyone, let's adjourn the meeting

IRC log Eastern edition

DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-29 (last edited 2011-03-29 17:02:36 by pitti)