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[15:30] <seb128> ok, meeting time
[15:31] <cyphermox> davmor2: :)
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, are you back?
[15:31] <kenvandine> yup
[15:31] <kenvandine> partner update is on the wiki
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, partner update?
[15:31]  * Sweetshark dances
[15:31] <seb128> libindicate-gtk-gtk3 \o/
[15:31] <kenvandine> yup!
[15:32] <seb128> those lib(indic*)-gtk<n>-gtk<v> start being ridiculous :p
[15:32] <seb128> oh, a mterry
[15:32] <kenvandine> i am reviewing that now and will fix up the packaging
[15:32] <seb128> mterry, meeting!
[15:32] <kenvandine> we should be able to build gir and vapi now
[15:32] <mterry> yup :)
[15:32] <seb128> excellent
[15:32] <kenvandine> tedg also fixed up the namespace problems
[15:33] <seb128> ok
[15:33] <seb128> kenvandine, what is u1 going to do exactly?
[15:33] <kenvandine> i don't have much detail yet... but apparently RT has agreed
[15:34] <seb128> they will have their updates out of the archive?
[15:34] <kenvandine> for oneiric it will be a shim that only accesses main
[15:34] <kenvandine> not for oneiric, i think
[15:34] <seb128> ok
[15:34] <seb128> did they agree with pitti as well? ;-)
[15:34] <kenvandine> i haven't been in on the all the discussions, josh forwarded me more mails
[15:34] <seb128> well I will let that to him when he's back :p
[15:34] <kenvandine> i need to read
[15:34] <seb128> it's not the sort of topic I want to step in
[15:35] <seb128> questions for kenvandine?
[15:36] <seb128> seems not
[15:36] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[15:36] <kenvandine> :)
[15:36] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[15:36] <seb128> didrocks, unity update?
[15:36] <didrocks> everything should be on the wiki :)
[15:37] <seb128> didrocks, unity-2d on gtk3 \o/
[15:37] <didrocks> I'm sure everyone is eager to see next update! :)
[15:37] <seb128> no \o/ for unity-3d, I'm waiting for them to fix their events handling and leaks :p
[15:38] <didrocks> let's see what we will get this week :)
[15:38] <seb128> questions for didrocks?
[15:38] <highvoltage> is the ubuntu-desktop team doing anything for gnome 3 fallback mode?
[15:38] <highvoltage> we're planning to support it as an optional extra in edubuntu
[15:38] <didrocks> highvoltage: the fallback mode is unity2d
[15:39] <didrocks> for unity
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, GNOME3 gnome-panel is still supported but not on the CD
[15:39] <didrocks> I think the same code is working for gnome-shell -> gnome-panel
[15:39] <highvoltage> didrocks: no I'm specifically talking about gnome 3 fallback, or "the old gnome desktop"
[15:39] <didrocks> highvoltage: it should work for the gnome-shell session (it was when I merged gnome-session)
[15:39] <seb128> highvoltage, we have unity3d, unity2d, gnome-shell, gnome-panel on gtk3
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: I know that, but thanks :-)
[15:39] <seb128> you can use whatever you want in edubuntu I guess
[15:40] <seb128> didrocks, sorry, that was for highvoltage
[15:40] <seb128> but I'm not sure I understood the question
[15:40] <highvoltage> ok, I was just wondering if the desktop team planned any other work for it. I'll take that as a no then.
[15:40] <seb128> we will package updates
[15:40] <seb128> but that's about it
[15:40] <highvoltage> ok
[15:41] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[15:41] <seb128> tremolux, hey
[15:41] <didrocks> yw
[15:41] <seb128> tremolux, s-c update?
[15:42] <tremolux> seb128: hey! yes, I put it on the wiki
[15:42] <seb128> hum, no tremolux?
[15:42] <seb128> oh ;-)
[15:42] <tremolux> new release has some cool stuff, editing and deleting of your reviews, new top rated section
[15:43] <seb128> nice
[15:43] <tremolux> and a great speedup of gdebi file load
[15:43] <seb128> how is the gtk3 work going?
[15:43] <tremolux> (a lot of people have been unhappy about that)
[15:44] <seb128> tremolux, how is the gtk3 work going otherwise?
[15:44] <tremolux> it is still moving forward and has some beautiful elements now, but there is a lot remaining before it can be in a state that we could consider making it the default
[15:44] <seb128> ok, so not likely this cycle I guess?
[15:45] <seb128> (I'm watching for the GNOME3 specs)
[15:45] <tremolux> in other words, it's very rough still at this point...it's a very young effort relatively as this was spec'd well into the cycle
[15:45] <seb128> ok
[15:46] <tremolux> the issue is that the gtk3 port contains all of the new 5.0 design elements, rather than a straight port of what we have
[15:46] <didrocks> tremolux: so, if I really want to push oneconf by default, should I target the gtk2 version?
[15:46] <tremolux> so it's massive churn in progress
[15:46] <tremolux> didrocks: is there a lot of UI involved?
[15:46] <didrocks> as it's clearly what's block me at that point, the server part is all done :)
[15:46] <didrocks> tremolux: well, the plugin that is changed everytime due to s-c API not being garranteed
[15:46] <didrocks> tremolux: quite a lot of code, indeed
[15:47] <tremolux> if the backend is pretty stable and the UI work is not too involved, it can be done in both branches
[15:47] <tremolux> didrocks: right, the plugin api, does it keep changing?
[15:47] <didrocks> tremolux: the plugin api is giving access to the full s-c, and yeah, it keeps changing :)
[15:48] <tremolux> didrocks: well, the gtk2 branch should be getting quite stable at this point, I hope  :/
[15:48] <didrocks> tremolux: ok, I'll try to target the gtk2 branch for oneiric then
[15:49] <tremolux> didrocks: and yes, I think you'd want to target that because gtk3 is still quite rough and in a lot of churn
[15:50] <didrocks> tremolux: ok, can we have a look that week of what changed? I'll try to keep the plugin as it is today then
[15:50] <tremolux> didrocks: but I hate for you to put a lot of work into the gtk2 stuff because it is EOLing for 12.04 for sure
[15:50] <didrocks> tremolux: yeah, but oneconf missed the target for everytime a new reason for 2 cycles already, I don't want it to be that 3 times :)
[15:50] <didrocks> let's see how much work it is to port to the current gtk2 version
[15:51] <tremolux> didrocks: I hear you loud and clear :)
[15:51] <didrocks> I'll ping ou directly (or you can join #oneconf)
[15:51] <didrocks> :)
[15:51] <didrocks> or*
[15:51] <tremolux> didrocks: ONECONF must happen!
[15:51] <seb128> ok, seems like we should target the gtk2 version for oneiric rather
[15:51] <didrocks> \o/
[15:51] <tremolux> seb128: yes, sorry I didn't make that very clear
[15:51] <seb128> it's getting late to land and stabilize the gtk3 one especially if lot of work is still needed
[15:52] <seb128> tremolux, no worry, thanks for the update, keep the good work!
[15:52] <tremolux> seb128: exactly, it's very rough still, my honest assessment
[15:52] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the oneconf work, let's cross fingers it lands this cycle ;-)
[15:52] <seb128> let's move on
[15:52]  * didrocks crosses his finger very hard as well :)
[15:52] <didrocks> fingers*
[15:52] <seb128> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:52]  * tremolux too
[15:52] <seb128> so
[15:53] <tremolux> thanks guys
[15:53] <seb128> the curve is not an happy curve!
[15:53] <seb128> so please everybody update your a3 wi
[15:53] <seb128> let's discuss those a bit there
[15:53] <seb128> kenvandine, hey again
[15:53] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:54] <seb128> kenvandine, gwibber still had 4 for "friends" topic
[15:54] <seb128> is that on track? needed for a3?
[15:54] <kenvandine> no... blocked on a e-d-s bug
[15:54] <kenvandine> which rodrigo_ might fix :)
[15:54] <kenvandine> from what i hear
[15:54] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, hmm, which bug?
[15:54] <kenvandine> the one BigWhale asked about
[15:54] <kenvandine> one sec
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i can close 5 WI's in one go when you do bug 816377 ;)
[15:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 816377 in xulrunner-2.0 "Please remove and blacklist source and binaries from oneiric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816377
[15:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> that's a good motivator :)
[15:55] <seb128> indeed
[15:55] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, my awesome bar isn't findiing it :)
[15:56] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, hmm, is it the one about get_contacts not working on the gir generated stuff?
[15:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw charline has a wi on the email client spec, do you know if she did the testing yet? did they publish it somewhere?
[15:56] <kenvandine> yes
[15:57] <seb128> kenvandine, seems like that feature could slip to next cycle without being a stopper anyway?
[15:57] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, oh, ok, i looked at it and the doc comments for the API include the correct info for the introspection stuff to be generated correctly, so not sure why it didn't work
[15:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, if you find the bug # I'll have another look
[15:57] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, i think it was crashing for him
[15:57] <kenvandine> looking
[15:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, because I don't remember the exact details
[15:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, yes
[15:57] <seb128> ok
[15:57] <seb128> let's discuss that bug after the meeting
[15:57] <seb128> kenvandine, can you make sure there is a bug and add it to the blueprint?
[15:58] <seb128> with rodrigo maybe subscribed to it
[15:58] <seb128> or assigned
[15:58] <kenvandine> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654564
[15:58] <ubot2> Gnome bug 654564 in Contacts "Querying EDS address book in Python results in a segfault" [Critical,Unconfirmed]
[15:58] <kenvandine> rodrigo_,  ^^
[15:58] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ok
[15:58] <geser> did the key to delete files in nautilus change or did I break my config? pressing "del" does nothing (in oneiric)
[15:58] <cyphermox> ah, that could get fixed once 3.1.4 is ready no?
[15:59] <seb128> geser, ctrl-delete
[15:59] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, thx!
[15:59] <seb128> cyphermox, which one of the reason we wait for your update: p
[15:59] <seb128> ok, thanks kenvandine, rodrigo_
[15:59] <cyphermox> yeah, working on it, e-d-s is ready just finishing evo so I can test that it roughly works ;)
[15:59] <seb128> kenvandine, the feature is not a blocker for oneiric I guess?
[15:59] <kenvandine> no
[15:59] <seb128> ok, so let's see how it goes
[15:59] <kenvandine> we really really really want it
[16:00] <seb128> we can drop the milestone from it if needed
[16:00] <kenvandine> but not a blocker
[16:00] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:00] <geser> seb128: thx, any reason why it changed?
[16:00] <kenvandine> i am doing that
[16:00] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[16:00] <seb128> geser, see upstream lists, basically one key was too easy to hit without noticing for some users
[16:00] <seb128> some users complained for a while that it was too easy to delete files without noticing
[16:01] <seb128> ok
[16:01] <seb128> next
[16:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you still have quite some email client and unity integration workitems
[16:01] <seb128> how are those going?
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128, the calendar stuff probably isn't going to happen for oneiric
[16:02] <seb128> :-(
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> i wouldn't mind some input from design about what the default calendar experience should be like
[16:03] <seb128> I guess the appmenu upstream one is not really something we block on, what we have now is working?
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, there's no hurry to do that one
[16:03] <seb128> the firefox download thing seems rather a "nice to have" that a needed
[16:03] <seb128> well let's see where we stand next week
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i started an extension for that a while ago
[16:04] <seb128> we will need to win some CD space back
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> which sort-of works
[16:04] <seb128> we need to win some 15mb
[16:04] <kenvandine> ugh no calendaring?
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, there is some work to get lightning to use eds, but i wouldn't want to ship that by default anyway
[16:05] <kenvandine> :(
[16:05] <kenvandine> so no way by default to get appointments in indicator-datetime
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> and i'm not sure how to support lightning atm
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> especially seeing as bindwood has been broken now for 5 weeks since we did the last firefox update
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> i guess lightning will have the same problems with security updates
[16:06] <seb128> kenvandine, what appointments? no calendar ui by default anyway
[16:06] <kenvandine> right
[16:06] <seb128> well that was a tradeoff we know about
[16:06] <kenvandine> so unless people install evolution, they can't use that feature in the indicator
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> i was thinking about writing a standalone calendar app that users can create and edit appointments with
[16:06] <seb128> I will keep using evolution for calendars (well if the speed comes back to an usable level)
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> not sure how hard that would be though
[16:07] <seb128> we should maybe look at date
[16:07] <seb128> ups
[16:07] <seb128> dates
[16:07] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dates
[16:07] <kenvandine> is that still maintained?
[16:07] <seb128> doesn't seem so :-(
[16:07] <micahg> I can integrate lightning into the update testing if it's promoted
[16:07] <seb128> well no calendar for this cycle I guess
[16:08] <seb128> we will not sort that today anyway, let's move on
[16:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:08] <seb128> I should descope the screensaver spec as well
[16:08] <rodrigo_> dates also is too targetted to maemo, so small screens
[16:08] <seb128> seems not likely we will have time to work on that this cycle either
[16:08] <rodrigo_> it can be improved though, of course
[16:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, well we don't really need a complete client
[16:09] <seb128> just something which let you configure a calendar
[16:09] <seb128> hum
[16:09] <seb128> is gnome-online-account enough to configure a gcalendar?
[16:09] <seb128> or do you need evolution as well?
[16:10] <seb128> well anyway seems otherwise we don't have obvious spec blocked
[16:10] <seb128> questions or comments?
[16:13] <seb128> seems not
[16:13] <jbicha> I'd really like to see a fix for bug 798951 as it breaks Gnome Shell & Fallback pretty bad
[16:13] <seb128> that's a wrap then
[16:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 798951 in gnome-panel "Applications menu fails to open due to change to /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798951
[16:13] <seb128> thanks everybody

IRC log Eastern edition

[23:06] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso RAOF robert_ancell Meeting time!
[23:06] <jasoncwarner_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-26
[23:06] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso RAOF, I think it is just us. Robert starts holiday today, bryce is off b/c of baby
[23:06] <TheMuso> Right.
[23:07] <TheMuso> Thus commences the meeting, broekn vte a11y edition. :) or in other words, I am on my notebook atm due to broken a11y in vte, used for gnome-terminal.
[23:07] <TheMuso> My notebook hasn't been updated in over a week, so is not affected by that brokenness.
[23:08] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso, any idea when that is going to be fixed? and who does the fixing?
[23:08] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: There is a proposed patch in upstream bugzila, but its not yet merged. I intend to try it out for myself today.
[23:09] <jasoncwarner_> ok...thanks
[23:09] <jasoncwarner_> anything else TheMuso ?
[23:10] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF, care to update on X ?
[23:11] <RAOF> Bryce is on maternity leave, so I'll be handling the bug queue again.  It's impressively small at the moment.
[23:12] <RAOF> I should be able to get mesa rc3 uploaded today, with, as ever, lots of fixes for intel.
[23:12] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Sorry, was reading meeting notes. My ubiquity code is working now as expected, except for one or two UI issues that I'll need to ask a GTK expert about, but other than that, I only need tidy my code and propose a branch for review to the installer guys.
[23:13] <RAOF> There'll be a new SNA-enabled intel driver - in a separate binary package - shortly, just as soon as I'm convinced what I'm doing is the best way of going about it.
[23:14] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: any idea what is going on with nvidia driver? and perhaps when it will get fixed?
[23:15] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Everyone with a problem has just been fixing it by removing and reinstalling it :(.  No logs for me!
[23:15] <RAOF> I don't have a good idea, no.
[23:16] <RAOF> I might try installing it here on my intel laptop and seeing if I can work it out.
[23:18] <RAOF> Other than that, the wayland protocol MIR is still sitting forlornly at bug #810217.  Is there a big MIR queue?
[23:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 810217 in wayland "[MIR] wayland protocol package" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810217
[23:18] <RAOF> In an ideal world I'd like that done before mesa rc3 is uploaded, but I fear I do not live in an ideal world :)
[23:20] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: ok..thanks...anything else? (going to be a quick meeting :))
[23:20] <RAOF> No.  The world of X continues on its steady course.
[23:20] <jasoncwarner_> ok..cool...thanks TheMuso and RAOF
[23:20] <jasoncwarner_> [END  MEETING]

DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-26 (last edited 2011-08-02 09:10:05 by seb128)