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Meeting February 8, 2006
01:01 JaneW hello
01:01 kjcole hi
01:01 licio hi
01:01 flint_ good morning jane, nice reporting from the sprint.
01:02 jsgotangco cheers
01:02 kjcole flint, suck up.
01:02 JaneW flint_: thanks
01:02 JaneW I had to get creative
01:02 flint_ I have coffee today kevin, and I am a suck up!
01:02 flint_ :^)
01:02 JaneW there are only so many ways to say 'everyone threw up
today' ;)
01:03 jsgotangco heh
01:03 flint_ yea that was interesting... still haven't talked to matt
was he sick?
01:03 ogra say "kate moss wednesday"
01:03 jsgotangco food poisoning can be bad
01:03 JaneW Wednesday was the worst of it
01:03 ajmitch_ JaneW: sounds like the aftermath of linux.conf.au :)
01:03 JaneW yes Matt was sick
01:03 kjcole ogra, ouch! harsh. ;-)
01:03 flint_ ubuntu sprints on its stomach....
01:03 JaneW it was more a virus than food poisoning I think
01:04 jsgotangco at least it wasnt the distro sprint of doom
01:04 ogra kjcole, but matches somehow ;)
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01:04 jsgotangco only death
01:04 jsgotangco =)
01:04 JaneW well I am calling it the Gastro Sprint now ;)
01:04 ajmitch_ yes, LCA had the linux virus of doom striking down
attendees
01:04 JaneW ok are we all here?
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01:04 jsgotangco gastro sprint ewww
01:04 JaneW ajmitch_: :/
01:04 flint_ ogra, ollie i got a flight3 install questioin swtiching
channels...
01:04 ogra is highvoltage around for website stuff ?
01:05 mhz hi all
01:05 ogra flint_, i answered it yesterday
01:05 JaneW is jelkner planning to attend?
=== mhz had not seen the time
01:05 JaneW I think he wanted to go first again today?
01:05 kjcole no jelkner...
01:05 ogra flint_, but feel free to ask again ;)
01:05 JaneW kjcole: you wanna do it
01:05 flint_ ogra, on the irc?
01:05 ogra yes
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01:05 JaneW hi hno73
01:05 jsgotangco heh mark suggested a docteam sprint in london...that can
be scary
01:06 kjcole hold a sec
01:06 JaneW jsgotangco: brace yourself!
01:06 JaneW highvoltage: you here?
01:06 hno73 hi JaneW
01:06 JaneW we need to make web decisions today - or at least
confirm them
01:06 jsgotangco henrik!
01:07 hno73 jsgotangco: ! (sorry I was away friday)
01:07 JaneW ok who has updates for me?
01:07 kjcole I'll be brief.
=== jsgotangco just uploaded new edubuntu-docs and will prepare a script
to publish on doc.ubuntu.com for preview
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01:07 flint_ I am supposed to be standing in for Jeffster...
01:07 flint_ kevin should report.
ltsp had 36 code commits since last week ... we support
01:08 ogra a lot more options now (serial mice, 16Bit graphics
cards etc) and i did a lot of fixes ...
01:08 JaneW jsgotangco: great thanks :)
01:08 jsgotangco serial finally got tested?
01:08 JaneW belated Hi mhz
01:08 ogra i'm just starting to prepare for flight 4, testing and
feedback before would be fine ...
01:09 mhz ;)
Not a lot to report, actually. Working with a lore
01:09 kjcole developer, we now have an indexing system (or the
beginnings of one)
01:09 JaneW yes ogra was busy last week
01:09 JaneW (and not just drinking) ;)
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01:09 JaneW ogra: does flight 4 have a date yet?
01:09 jsgotangco yeah right he's caught on camera with a bottle of
bourbon or something..
01:09 JaneW I haven't heard...
additionally i have a good bunch of code offered by the
01:09 ogra debian ltsp team ... i'm currently reviewing their
patches#
01:09 JaneW jsgotangco: yup ;)
01:10 ogra JaneW, filght CDs never have a date ... only a rough
"this week"
01:10 ogra it depends on the bugs we find during building the CDs
:)
I just secured some space at my school where we can set
01:10 kjcole up a Dapper Edubuntu "lab" and work from that to get a
real feel for how it all fits together.
01:10 ogra thats why testing *before* is so important
01:11 ogra (which nobody but me is doing normally :( )
=== jsgotangco volunteers to test amd64
01:11 ogra yay !
01:11 flint_ ogra, ollie you seem to be on a workstation
binge. Anything you are working on the server side?
01:12 JaneW jsgotangco: you are great!
01:12 JaneW thanks
ogra: I do apologize for not being helpfull at all in
01:12 mhz this testings but I have almost no hardware where i can
test now
01:12 JaneW ogra: right but as the magic date gets near it becomes
apparent, no?
mhz will be pleased to know that jelkner has "seen the
01:12 kjcole light" and we're trying to keep something on the wiki in
parallel with our docs.
=== jsgotangco has 3 amd64 machines at his disposal at the moment
01:12 flint_ ogra, The Veromont testing facility is spooling up to
speed.
01:12 ogra cool :)
01:12 ogra mhz, you do enough ... i only want people with decent
bandwith to be testers
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01:13 kjcole Bad news: We don't think we'll have something
mid-april. Shortly thereafter, is jelkner's prediction.
01:13 jsgotangco its ok
01:13 flint_ ogra, I will be sending you a copy of the Vermont Lab
facility documentation when complete.
01:14 ogra flint_, great :)
ogra: good potential news is that on friday/monday I
should have a definit answer wether I have at least a 5
01:14 mhz pc lab and one server to test Edubuntu whatever and
invite teachers to it, to give us feedback on monthly
basis :D
01:14 ogra kjcole, the #edubuntu channel is grown a bit recently
... probably you can recruit more people there
01:15 jsgotangco i notice a trend on #edubuntu though, a lot of people
ask about desktop apps rather than server
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01:15 jsgotangco just today i had 3 random people asking
01:15 kjcole We're looking at qemu as a possible screen-capture
mechanism (among other things).
01:15 ogra jsgotangco, yes
01:16 jsgotangco kjcole, imagemagick can't do enough for app-specific
sceencaps?
01:16 kjcole A lot of my week has been LoCo-related and getting space
for the lab.
jsgotangco: yup, seen that too. And in #edubuntu-es..
01:16 mhz many users show up just for 'ubuntu-stuff' rlated issues
:(
01:17 jsgotangco yeah
01:17 ogra mhz, point them to #ubuntu
jsgotangco, we're hoping for screen captures from the
01:17 kjcole get-go: The splash screen, and at least some of the
install screens that are Edubuntu specific -- LTSP NG
DHCP config etc.
01:17 jsgotangco mostly newbies though, lots of patience needed
01:17 jsgotangco kjcole, qemu =)
01:17 jsgotangco VMWare GSX Server =)
01:17 mhz ogra: they usually come from #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es
01:18 ogra mhz, but #edubuntu(-es) is not for general #ubuntu stuff
01:18 JaneW kjcole: we really need a cook book for 6.04 - even if
it's lean
01:18 jsgotangco yeah
01:18 JaneW kjcole: we missed it for 5.10 which was dissapointing
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01:18 ogra mhz, we support the edu apps and ltsp in #edubuntu ...
01:18 kjcole Will inform jelkner
01:18 JaneW is there no way we can get ppl to collaborate with you?
01:19 JaneW it's the one thing ppl would like to help with
ogra: heheh, yeah, but 2 users who usually help on
01:19 mhz little edubuntu stuff (testing, mainly) have complained
that if nobody is talking, why not give help on ubuntu
topics in the mean time :(
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01:19 JaneW I know you guys are aiming for perfection, but I;d be
happy with 'good enough' - on time
01:19 JaneW no pressure ;)
01:20 jsgotangco at least something to review
01:20 jsgotangco :)
01:20 mhz ogra: edubuntu-es is usually 4 people and 3 or 5 more
that come twice a week
01:20 mhz hence the urgent need of "the tour" idea :)
01:20 mhz urgent = maybe not
01:21 jsgotangco mhz, i think ES is your sphere of expertise, you are
very much authoritative to decide on what's best
01:21 flint_ mhz, I have never been on ubuntu-es what is so special?
=== jsgotangco no habla espanol
01:22 flint_ mhz, i ment edubuntu-es...
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jsgotangco: maybe yes that's why before scaring or
01:22 mhz inviting people go somewhere else, I usally take some
vitamin C and patience and let them ask ooftopics :)
01:22 spacey__ hi
01:23 mhz flint_: oh, just supposed to be another channel but for
edubuntu users/admins needing support and help
01:23 flint_ oh, ok.
01:23 mhz ogra: good thing is there are many people subsrcibed to
ML (weired)
01:24 flint_ JaneW, maybe we need a docsprint. we writers want to
get wretching sick from hotel food...
01:24 flint_ :^)
01:24 mhz lol
01:24 JaneW heh
=== mhz is so much wanting to put hands on CookBook translation and maybe
additions
01:24 JaneW so what's the plans for the next week?
01:24 jsgotangco flint_, you'll probably get your wish by the end of
march if things go well
01:24 JaneW also where is highvoltage ?
01:24 flint_ JaneW, you would be invited to bring your world famous
collection of beadpans!
JaneW, I'm not opposed to the idea... I've been
01:25 kjcole following jelkner's lead, since he'd published a book
and I haven't.
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01:26 flint_ kjcole, "those who cannot do...teach"
sorry for being late, but was there a list of
01:26 spacey__ documentation missing? last week was noted that such a
list would be avail this week. ?
01:26 JaneW flint_: I supply Amarula to those that
behave....http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1789
Also, there was the business of choosing Twisted Lore
01:27 kjcole over Docbook or wiki, though as I say, he's now been
convinced to at least start using the wiki for
collaboration.
01:27 jsgotangco amarula?
01:27 jsgotangco ahhh
01:28 flint_ that is a great shot of ollie hunched over a keyboard...
01:28 jsgotangco liquer or something...
Jeff put an outline in place of what was on the wiki
01:28 kjcole before and we're hoping to add to that this week from
our Lore docs.
01:29 JaneW kjcole: think we can get it done somehow?
kjcole: flint_: I am collecting pieces of info because
01:29 mhz if all my plans go well, in May I'll start a book about
Edubuntu
01:29 mhz and obvioulsy reinventinn the wheel is my worst option
01:29 flint_ JaneW, ever do a project plam?
01:30 flint_ mhz, is this stuff up on the docbox yet?
01:30 JaneW flint_: sure, they are most ignored
01:30 flint_ mhz, you have an account.
01:30 JaneW flint_: at best they are snap shots in this
non-conformist community
01:30 flint_ JaneW, you never send me your project plans... I am
hurt!
01:31 jsgotangco bzr..*cough*
01:31 flint_ I read science fiction avidly
01:31 mhz flint_: can we have a short 'let's talk' after meeting
in #edubuntu, with coffee on table?
JaneW, Dunno. I've not done any collaborative work
01:31 kjcole before. I'll try to get jelkner et al onto #edubuntu
later today and see if we can speed things up.
01:31 mhz jsgotangco: you mean ! :D
01:31 flint_ I have a window up for both you and ollie...
kjcole: I realise it's putting pressure on you, but we
01:32 JaneW can give you more ppl, will you talk to jelkner about
the first edition not needing to be PERFECT (not that
we'd mind if it is) ;)
JaneW, you know I would never defend these two if I did
01:34 flint_ not see their problem. The issue here is the classic
infastructure one of women months and babies. Get it?
01:34 kjcole JaneW, understood.
01:34 flint_ you cannot add more women and get the baby faster than 9
months.
01:35 flint_ the reason I thought project plan was to get some
subtask milestones to shoot at.
01:35 jsgotangco huh?
01:35 mhz kjcole: _o/ \o/ \o_ (a cheering you! based on
CC meetings)
01:35 flint_ a project plan is sort of like kicking the mother to
induce premature birth...
01:36 flint_ saves you a month but is tough on the baby :^
01:36 jsgotangco why was it not raised from the start?
There's also the issue of documenting something that's a
01:37 kjcole moving target. (It would be nice to document what
Edubuntu WILL be in April, rather than what it WAS in
October or MIGHT be.)
jsgotangco, hindsight is 20/20, this enterprise is
01:37 flint_ geared to hacking software, not writing books. The
infastructure for hacing code (eg bzr) is in
place. Does this work for books?
However, I realize that it's probably reasonably settled
01:37 kjcole now and from Flight whatever we should be working with
something close to the finished look and feel...
01:37 jsgotangco it works for the docteam surely
01:38 kjcole There is that.
01:38 flint_ what kevin and jeff ( and maybe me) have been involved
with has been forging the tools to write the book.
01:38 mhz kjcole: but if we can get something done based on
breezy, in a couple of weeks we could have dapper ready
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01:38 JaneW flint_: what kind of subtasks you looking for?
01:38 mhz (even after release)
01:38 jsgotangco we've relesed preview docs since flight 2
01:38 JaneW flint_: if you are refering to the cook book, that was
left up to Msrs Elkner and Cole to handle
01:38 flint_ JaneW, you and I have got to fight that out offline...
01:39 flint_ JaneW, they are doing it, I bear witness to that. are
they moving as fast as the developers? nah.
ok highvoltage is still not here, but we have discussed
01:39 JaneW the option of using MoinMoin for the whole edubuntu site
instead of Drupal
01:39 JaneW mhz: what do you think of that?
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01:40 kjcole Mea (or whatever the Latin for "we" is) culpa.
as soon as they get a section done, (say the
01:40 flint_ installation section) I read in your reports that there
is a graphical user interface for dapper!!!!!
01:40 JaneW hno73: thin we can call it decided now? (MoinMoin
instead of drupal?)
01:40 JaneW thin=think
01:40 flint_ JaneW, moinmoin drupal who cares that is not the book.
01:41 jsgotangco go Moin
01:41 hno73 JaneW: I think so yes
01:41 jsgotangco its pretty damn stable
JaneW: hehehe, I know Moin has some limitations (php can
01:41 mhz obvioulsy deal with much more "features" today) but I am
not sure these limitations do affect edubuntu-gang
purposes
01:41 jsgotangco and we already got working proofs
01:41 freeflying hno73: hi
01:41 mhz JaneW: however, Moin 1.5 lets you do more stuff
01:42 jsgotangco meh
=== hno73 is just re-doing the main site community section with pretty
icons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/CommunitySection
01:42 hno73 the layout is quite flexible
01:42 hno73 hi freeflying :)
01:42 spacey__ possible to link the edubuntu site with all the other
logins? launchpad/ubuntu wiki?
01:42 spacey__ think that is important criterium
01:42 flint_ spacey__, that would be the best!
01:43 hno73 spacey__: yes, that's possible
01:43 freeflying hno73: I'd prepare using moinmoin for www.kubuntu.org.cn
,will u give me any advice?
01:43 mhz JaneW: jsgotangco: however, I would not feel comfrotable
if we dont see/test highvoltage efforts on drupal
01:43 spacey__ i think that is one of most important points at least
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01:43 JaneW mhz: are you willing to help us with Moin magic?
spacey__, this issue of namespace is an infastructure
01:44 flint_ issue that mere writers should not be inconvienced by,
and they currently are...
01:44 mhz JaneW: OF COURSE!
=== mhz apologizes for the caps but you know Moin is my other 'lover' :D
01:45 hno73 freeflying: look at the 'balanced' themes here:
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket
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01:46 mhz jsgotangco: and yes, moin as 'loverl is a scary thought
:D
01:46 hno73 they are nearly the same as the ubunt/kubuntu ones
01:46 jsgotangco heh
01:46 hno73 (I should post some updates soon)
01:46 mhz hno73: I downloaded balanced 2 days ago :D
01:46 freeflying hno73: may we use the artwork of kubuntu ?
01:46 mhz freeflying: yes, you can
01:47 JaneW mhz: yay, that was the response I was HOPING FOR :)
01:47 mhz ;p
01:47 JaneW we have 12 mins left, is there anything else official to
discuss?
01:48 hno73 mhz: I'll send you the latest copy of my theme (it's
fairly stable now)
01:48 JaneW does every/anyone want these meetings more structured?
hno73: I will email you about my questions.. yesterday
01:48 mhz the phone call was too long and after that I had to do
other stuff
01:48 spacey__ that would be nice
01:48 jsgotangco im cool with the current stuff
01:48 spacey__ structure
01:48 mhz hno73: thx!
01:48 spacey__ but i really missed that part on missing documentation?
01:48 flint_ JaneW, we have the doc section and the programming
section.
01:48 ogra JaneW, just going back to the structure we once had
would already suffice
01:48 mhz hno73: and one of the topics is I do want to make a CSS
for a11y
01:49 ogra we once had structure
01:49 ogra it just vanished over the last meetings
01:49 mhz hno73: so, edubuntu users could choose a11y theme if
needed
01:49 hno73 mhz: I pretty much have that complete, just need to sort
out some javascript magic for switching
01:50 mhz JaneW: so basically your idea is I help hno73 i guess?
01:50 flint_ ogra, I think the structure comes from the participants,
elkner helps a lot to keep me in check :^)
01:50 mhz JaneW: and what will happen to highvoltage's efforts on
drupal? lost?
01:50 JaneW ogra: I agree, I would prefer to handle the tech side
first..
01:50 hno73 mhz: or rather that I help you :)
01:50 ogra flint_, we started off with a clear structure who speaks
when ...
01:50 JaneW but jelkner normally attends for 15 mins or so and wants
to talk docs
01:50 ogra that disappeared
01:51 mhz JaneW: yes, I liked your 'structure' for metings
01:51 JaneW the trouble is the docs stuff tends to ramble
01:51 flint_ ogra: janew: elkner indicated he could not be here he
will be back.
01:51 mhz hno73: we help each other :D
01:51 JaneW let's agree for next week we go back to the original
01:51 ogra yes
01:51 JaneW Tech progress and calls for testing etc
01:51 JaneW the Docs progress and calls for help
01:52 JaneW then Artwork update and calls for help
01:52 JaneW etc
01:52 ogra we can shuffle around the bits, but keep a bit of
dicipline
01:52 JaneW yes agreed
01:52 flint_ I would like to throw the floor open to nominate a
dominatrix.
01:52 ogra (phew, that sounds so german)
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01:52 JaneW as I think we are getting limited benefit now
01:52 mhz yes, structure!
01:52 mhz +1
01:52 freeflying hno73: how shall I configure moinmoin , and make it
perform like www.ubuntu.com ?
01:52 JaneW +++
01:52 mhz ogra: we know you just can't help it :)
01:52 JaneW freeflying: you going to help too?
01:53 freeflying JaneW: I just want to host www.kubuntu.org.cn using moin
01:53 ogra mhz, i'm the chaos in person ...
01:53 hno73 freeflying: ubuntu.com uses mod_proxy to deal with heavy
trafic, but that's a special case
01:53 jsgotangco i'll email the list when the script for doc.ubuntu.com
is done showing edubuntu-docs
01:53 ogra its not my usual behavior to sound german
01:53 mhz hno73: so you prefer email better than irc?
01:53 mhz ogra: stop drinking then!
01:53 mhz :D
01:54 ogra heh
01:54 freeflying hno73: I know about this
01:54 flint_ ogra, truth is you sound practically dutch most of the
time :^)
01:54 hno73 freeflying: See http://www.theopencd.org/ for a site
that uses moin to do pretty much the same thing
01:54 JaneW ogra: when can we start drafting the edubuntu flight 4
announcement?
01:54 ogra flint_, lol
01:54 hno73 mhz: yes please :)
01:54 JaneW let's try to get it out quicker this time
01:54 ogra JaneW, as soon as you like ...
01:54 flint_ mhz, lol
01:54 spacey__ hm, i'm off, bb
01:55 ogra i bet there is a flight 4announcement for ubuntu
prepared already
01:55 ogra (a draft)
01:55 JaneW ogra: ok I'll look for that
01:55 hno73 freeflying: if you email me on henrik@ubuntu.com I can
send you my latest theme files and some suggestions
01:55 JaneW can you send me notable edu progress and enhancements
01:55 flint_ JaneW, one proposal for structure would be to divide
into three sections, software, documentation, and web.
01:55 mhz hno73: no problem, I can do it and we can add 'urgent'
when I need responses in a day time ?
01:55 freeflying hno73: yep , just what I want , but how to configure
moin
01:55 ogra JaneW, sure
01:55 JaneW I'll tack it together and then we can edit finely
together
01:56 mhz JaneW: yes,m there is
01:56 ogra freeflying, thats somehow offtopinc in a edubuntu
meeting ...
01:56 freeflying ogra: sorry
01:56 ogra but i guess we're done anyway
01:56 jsgotangco \o_ \o/ theopencd.org \o/ _o/
01:56 ogra so go ahead :)
01:56 JaneW ogra: will the flight be out this week or next (your
guestimate)
01:56 mhz hno73: what if you upload the theme to wiki:HenrikOmma
freeflying: well, 'how to configure' is a big question.
01:56 hno73 Do you want just the conf files, acl settings, a
detailed tutorial?
01:57 ogra JaneW, i guess weekendish
01:57 JaneW ok
01:57 freeflying ogra: after kubuntu.org.cn , we shall host
edubuntu.org.cn
01:57 ogra ah
01:57 ogra i didnt get that
01:57 hno73 freeflying: It's difficult to know what place you are
starting from. Do you have moin set up for a start?
01:57 mhz jsgotangco: at least I started translating some bits of
tocd
01:57 jsgotangco mhz, yay!
01:57 ogra freeflying, then its on topic ;)
01:57 freeflying hno73: I have setup moin kubuntu.3322.org
01:58 freeflying hno73: I have setup moin http://kubuntu.3322.org
01:58 JaneW ogra: ubuntu is planning to have flash intros will we
just have a progress bar?
01:58 freeflying hno73: so I want configure moin like official website
01:58 jsgotangco flash?
01:58 flint_ JaneW, oh god please no flash!!!
01:58 kjcole gotta run... i hope some of us be chatting before
next week. will try to set something up.
01:59 highvoltage hi. sorry, i'm here
01:59 mhz JaneW: one thing b4 you leave...
01:59 flint_ kjcole, good job, keep it up!
01:59 jsgotangco flash?
01:59 highvoltage jsgotangco: not as in macromedia, i presume
01:59 jsgotangco jeezz i hope not!
01:59 hno73 freeflying: I see, that's already quite good. OK, I'll
send you further instructions on email
01:59 mhz JaneW: meeting minutes are sooooo hard to keep on
current moin setup
01:59 flint_ ogra, if they put flash up on the web, you gotta rewrite
in visual studio. Any problems with that?
flash> this is in the context of espresso (live
01:59 Kamion installer), and it would be Flash 3 so that the free
players can deal with it
02:00 flint_ :^)
02:00 mhz JaneW: I'd love to see some solution proposals with
hno73
02:00 freeflying hno73: thx
02:00 jsgotangco Kamion, thanks for clearing that up
02:00 mhz highvoltage: hey!!!
02:00 ogra JaneW, lets have the same ubuntu has ... but as i said i
wont focus on express ...
02:00 highvoltage mhz: hi
02:00 ogra my main target is the install CD, since thats what we'll
have pressed
02:00 jsgotangco hold on
02:00 flint_ highvoltage, good morning Jonathan!
02:00 highvoltage hi flint!
02:00 jsgotangco are we doing the livecd route?
02:01 ogra nope
02:01 jsgotangco ok
02:01 highvoltage (got the name right again!)
02:01 mhz ogra: JaneW: any news from designer work?
02:01 jsgotangco so no espresson
02:01 ogra we'll have a live iso ...
02:01 highvoltage ogra: so we'll have plain old d-i? yay!
02:01 flint_ highvoltage, I am practicing...
02:01 ogra and it will have esporesso for the workstation install
02:01 flint_ highvoltage, thanks.
02:01 ogra highvoltage, the server part doesnt fit on the live CD
02:01 highvoltage ah, ok.
02:01 jsgotangco \o_ \o/ edubuntu \o/ _o/
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02:02 ogra the pressed CDs will be the install CDs ...
02:02 JaneW mhz: feel free to abandon that format, bullets or
wahtever works isfine
02:02 ogra as long as we focus on ltsp and server stuff it will
stay this way
02:02 freeflying ogra: if you can provide us a well Chinese supportted
livecd , it will be efficient promote edubuntu in china
02:03 ogra freeflying, lets see ... i'm not sure we can fit this
many languages on the live iso
02:03 mhz JaneW: oh, okis
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ogra: I think the issue was that the flash stuff feature
02:03 JaneW Ubuntu so wouldn;t really go with edubuntu - what do you
think?
02:03 mhz JaneW: designer news?
=== ogra would love to drop the KDE apps, that would solve all problems
instantly
02:04 ogra JaneW, why shouldnt it go with edubuntu ?=
02:04 jsgotangco ogra, but you'll loose a lot of edu apps
02:04 JaneW mhz: I have not heard anything no, but I know we are
getting 1 set of designs
02:04 ogra its justa flash movie ...
02:04 flint_ ogra, can we fork edubuntu to edukbumutu?
02:04 flint_ er edukubuntu
02:04 JaneW ogra: well it will look diff for a start won't it?
02:04 mhz JaneW: when could we know?
02:04 ogra jsgotangco, some have a valid replacement in gnome
02:04 ogra (but not all)
02:05 JaneW we need ppl making gnome apps - please
02:05 jsgotangco ogra, if its justifiable and still ok for dapper i guess
that's a good compromise
=== mhz says we should not include or promote flash movies... it's against
our manifesto
02:05 ogra JaneW, making a screencapture is an easy task ...
02:05 JaneW mhz: Jane Silber handles that according to the artwork
deadline
02:05 JaneW mhz: I think she is handing briefs over this week
02:05 highvoltage sorry, i don't have time to catch up on the older
messages, did hno73 mention anything about the website?
02:05 ogra jsgotangco, amd64 and powerpc isos are constantly
overflown
02:05 jsgotangco argghhh
02:05 mhz JaneW: okis...it's just that I'd love to see something
02:06 JaneW ogra: ok maybe we can do some with our stuff. Corey is
handling the content we should speak to him.
02:06 ogra KDE takes a hell lot of space ....
02:06 JaneW mhz: me too
02:06 ogra and i doubt its justified for the 5 KDE apps we ship
02:06 jsgotangco ogra, ok i'll evaluate this weekend
mhz: howvere like last time it;s one of the last pieces
02:06 JaneW of the puzzle and is not completed or released until
right near the end
02:06 mhz ogra: I have looked for gnome apps... not very
successfully
02:07 ogra jsgotangco, king could esily be replaced by drgeo ... it
finally matured ... for example
02:07 highvoltage ok, i'm almost on my way out so just some notes on
edubuntu web/wiki site
02:07 JaneW highvoltage: we decided on moin in your absence - ok>
02:07 JaneW ?
02:07 ogra mhz, there are a lot
02:07 mhz ogra: but I have found xmaxima (GTK) for higher levels
02:07 jsgotangco yeah
02:07 highvoltage JaneW: yep, that's good, i cancelled the drupal with
Znarl (much to his delight)
02:07 JaneW where are the gnome app ppl?
02:07 mhz ogra: equivalents??
02:07 JaneW heh, thanks
02:07 ogra mhz, yes
02:07 ogra not for all of them ...
02:07 highvoltage and as far as i understand mhz is going to work with
hno73 and do some nice moin tweaking
02:07 ogra but for dapper its to late for such a big change anyway
02:08 highvoltage so that we can do everything with moin we could with
drupal.
02:08 JaneW highvoltage: I only figured out yesterday that drupal is
'drupal' <- afrikaans (well dutch actually) for drop
02:08 flint_ ogra, when is code freeze for dapper?
02:08 JaneW hence the water droplet logo d'oh!
02:08 ogra flint_, feature freezy is 23rd
02:08 JaneW so from now on it's pronounced dripel ppl
02:08 jsgotangco ogra, we can still drop the kde apps we're still not in
freature freeze yet
02:08 ogra and i'm busy with ltsp and edubuntu-artwork until then
02:09 mhz ogra: I can do testings for apps, that this HW can do ok
02:09 JaneW jsgotangco: er but we'd need to add replacements, and
not sure we can still do that...
02:09 flint_ ogra, I blame all this talk of the dutch on you... :^)
02:09 ogra jsgotangco, but there is no time to get replacements in
and if it fails we cant go back
02:09 jsgotangco right
02:09 jsgotangco but overflowing images ain't good
02:09 jsgotangco (for other arches at least)
02:09 ogra i'll have to drop stuff, indeed
02:09 JaneW agreed, but we have had that problem for a long time now
02:10 highvoltage it'll be available on universe though
02:10 ogra and shuffle a bit ...
02:10 highvoltage ogra: how do you feel about a semi-official edubuntu
add-on CD?
02:10 ogra lets just keep in mind to check the option to go gnome
only in dapper+1 ...
02:10 mhz highvoltage: add-on cd?
02:10 Riddell ogra: how about all the python modules
02:10 highvoltage ogra: i'm not suggesting it, since i don't have time for
it, but i think it's necassary to think about it
02:10 flint_ highvoltage, the ticket here is to use the automatix
framework for addons.
02:10 ogra Riddell, i'll manage, dont woirry ....
02:11 highvoltage mhz: a CD with some additional .deb's for KDE support
and additional, relevant software
02:11 mhz ogra: cool, dapper +1. This way I can more easily make
that edubuntu lite thing
02:11 ogra Riddell, if i drop python stuff elkner will come to my
house and whine 24h a day ...
02:11 highvoltage flint_: automatix? you've got a link to that?
02:11 ogra highvoltage, no option for dapper
02:11 ogra eeek
02:11 mhz highvoltage: ahh, good idea
02:11 highvoltage ogra: and after that?
02:11 jmont hello all, sorry that I am late for the meeting
02:12 ogra stop even talking about automatix crack while i'm in the
room please ... i might go blind
02:12 flint_ highvoltage, google "ubuntu automatix" it is multimedia
heaven for breezy
02:12 ogra automatics is the suck ...
02:12 jsgotangco heaven for people at the first but hell when they try to
uninstall and upgrade
02:12 ogra it breaks users systems and upgradeability ...
02:12 flint_ ogra, sorry ma man. it is a hack indeed
02:13 ogra i wont even give a line of support to any user who
touched it ...
=== mhz dislikes the automatix idea, flint_ ... too much a user dont see
can't be good
02:13 flint_ ogra, but it is in the spirit of hackish ness...
02:13 jsgotangco oh you can see it, but its not a pretty sight
02:13 JaneW ok our time is up.
02:13 ogra its not supportable and breaks systems in intresting
ways ... please dont advise it to anyone
02:13 jsgotangco scary sources.list
ah yes, it does seem quite sucky, although we've done
02:14 highvoltage similar things in tuxlabs, due for change after we
switch to dapper, of course.
02:14 flint_ ogra, i hear you. however the framework that it
developed may prove useful for addons.
02:14 mhz jsgotangco: yes! well said. Automatix = Norton stuff
02:14 mhz jsgotangco: I mean, they are = when trying to uninstall
or upgrade :D
02:14 jsgotangco yeah
02:14 highvoltage hacks are good in my opinion, but when it breaks more
than it fixes, it's not worth while
02:14 ogra flint_, synaptic is fine for addon stuff
02:15 flint_ ogra, I am just pleased that I can still create FITS on
the channel!
02:15 jmont isn't possible to made an Automatix version that simply
don't break the system?
02:15 jsgotangco we should probably put edubuntu love in
gnome-app-install
02:15 highvoltage i was thinking of synaptic for the edubuntu add-on cd
02:15 highvoltage apt-cdrom add ; apt-get install edubuntu-addons-all
ok I need to dash, thanks guys, and let's aim for more
02:15 JaneW structure next time. So we can get to the good
discussions sooner!
02:15 jsgotangco jmont, gnome-app-install is much saner on this regard
and can accomodate multiverse apps if needed
02:15 highvoltage yes, cheers!
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02:16 flint_ JaneW, good talking. Ollie I may call you!
02:16 mhz JaneW: +1
jsgotangco, I undestand... so we should make
02:16 jmont gnome-app-install better than Automatix, and make ads
about it
02:16 jmont I mean, I know gnome-app-install is better... but we
should improve it even more
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break with JaneW's famous cakes
02:17 flint_ jmont, keep in mind the framework is what i found
facinating.
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02:17 jsgotangco sure its a nifty bash script
02:18 jsgotangco it can be improved upon
02:18 flint_ ogra, thanks for your insight on automatix
02:18 jmont I understand..
02:18 flint_ ogra, i will contact you when I am back on the edubuntu
machine...
02:18 jmont flint_, Automatix is C/C++ powered?
02:19 flint_ jmont, na it is a buncha bash scripts with a gui on top
(maybe pycard)
02:19 jsgotangco nope it looks more like a python card script
02:20 flint_ jsgotangco, ollie is correct it is NOT to ubuntu
standard...
02:20 flint_ honestly that is what I found most charming about it.
02:20 flint_ ...and it gave me muich multimedia...
02:20 flint_ be back soon...
02:21 jsgotangco sure it gets lots of votes on the bling factor
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02:23 jsgotangco i guess we cool now eh?
02:24 jmont yup
02:25 jsgotangco cool i'm grabbing some late nite dinner
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02:36 jmont btw, what time is it in GTM/UTC?
02:37 freeflying jmont: date --utc
02:37 jmont thanks!
02:43 jmont btw (again), do anybody know a nice backup utility?
02:43 jmont i have tryed rsnapshot, but i need somethink I can
upload to an remote FTP backup server (like .tar.gz's)
02:43 jmont that dont spend too much disk space
02:44 jmont (i will ask this in #ubuntu, sorry)