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Meeting June 28, 2006
Technical
ogra - Informed us that ltsp has been merged with the modularisation changes from debian, which will greatly simplify further development. It was also noted that ltsp.org will merge with our ltsp over the next two releases.
ogra - Pointed people towards https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs to read the specs from Paris
ogra - Confirmed that there will be an autoconfiguration dhcp config in edgy
ogra - Informed us that the local devices spec was also approved
cbx33 - Enquired whether local apps was going to be developed and ogra pointed him to the fat client spec
ogra - Mentioned that the edubuntu spec and ltsp discussion was particularly good this summit
flint - raised concerns about the fact that k12ltsp had a better feature set than edubuntu
ogra - discussed about edubuntu being in it's infancy, and that popularity will win through eventually
ogra - mentioned that Mithrandir will be working on putting an ltsp server on the live cd
cbx33 - Asked if it was still planned to remove kdeedu from edgy
ogra - Replied, only if alternatives can be found
cbx33 - Suggested replacing kdeedu apps on an as and when basis
Community
cbx33 - Mentioned he was going to email Canonical about BETT2007 next week
Artwork
ogra - Raised the need for an artwork team leader
cbx33 - Suggested job specs for some of the volunteer members, so they know what to expect
cbx33 - Mentioned AliasVegas was considering the role
rodarvus - Mentioned his wife was an accomplished designer, and could be bribed
Documentation
pips1 - Suggested a glossary for edubuntu
02:01 ogra so how many people are we today 02:01 ogra looks rather empty 02:02 pips1 hiya 02:02 ogra hey 02:02 pips1 just the two of us?! 02:02 DanielC I'm just observing. 02:02 ogra well, then it looks like its just the two of us and DanielC :) 02:02 DanielC :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:03 ogra ah 02:03 DanielC one more person, whoo hoo!! 02:03 pips1 hi cbx33 02:03 cbx33 hey everybody 02:03 cbx33 I won't be able to stay the entire meeting I fear 02:03 ogra well, i dont have much on the tech side today 02:03 Hobbsee hey? DanielC hope you werent meaning me - i know nothing :P 02:03 cbx33 but there will be minutes 02:03 DanielC :) 02:03 cbx33 ogra I'm shocked :p 02:03 ogra i'm personally rather busy doing ubuntu merges, so there is no particular edubuntu work atm 02:04 ogra ltsp is merged with the modularization changes from debian 02:04 cbx33 oh yeh, I forgot we were in merge stage now 02:04 ogra so development of new features will be way easier 02:04 cbx33 ogra, excellent 02:04 cbx33 that is great tech news 02:04 ogra and ltsp is fully translateable now === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:04 ogra thanks to debain as well 02:04 ogra *debian too 02:04 cbx33 cool 02:05 ogra we wrote a good bunnch of specs in paris 02:05 ogra https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs 02:05 ogra ^^^^ list of them === bimberi listened (literally) to one of the sessions 02:05 DanielC *click* 02:05 ogra two are already approved, the others in review 02:05 cbx33 bimberi, cool 02:06 DanielC ltsp dhcpd.conf : good man! 02:06 ogra most important is that we will have an autoconfigured dchpd in our next release after install ;) 02:06 cbx33 heheh yeh 02:06 bimberi \o/ 02:06 ogra will add one additional question to the install though :/ 02:06 ogra but better than the current status 02:06 cbx33 yes 02:06 cbx33 very beneficial in my opinion 02:07 ogra additionally the local device implementation is approved === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-93.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:07 cbx33 thats also great 02:07 DanielC Definitely a good improvement. 02:07 cbx33 ogra, is ther eany news on local apps? 02:07 ogra and most important news from the summit.... 02:07 cbx33 that's something I'm very keen on 02:07 ogra ltsp.org will merge with our ltsp over the next two releases 02:07 DanielC meaning? 02:07 ogra so there will only be one ltsp 02:07 DanielC cool 02:07 ogra based on our work 02:08 pips1 wow 02:08 cbx33 that's great news 02:08 ogra merged with the features they have 02:08 DanielC What are the current differences between ltsp.org and what edubuntu has? 02:08 pips1 big applause 02:08 DanielC clap clap clap clap 02:08 ogra see the ltsp-convergence spec 02:08 flint ogra I was talking to the fedora folks, and they and Eric Harrison had a different story... === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:08 DanielC ok 02:08 ogra the incidents listed there must be resolved over the two next releases 02:09 flint ogra, what is the url of the ltsp-convergence spec? 02:09 DanielC ogra, ltsp-convergence doesn't have any information. 02:09 DanielC https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-convergence 02:09 pips1 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LtspConvergence 02:09 ogra my personal next step is to establish the ltsp-daily-image-tarballs infrastructure 02:09 ogra thats a prerequisite 02:09 cbx33 yeh 02:09 DanielC pips1, thanks 02:09 ogra then it will be very easy to install ppc chroots on i386 from the tarball ;) 02:10 ogra that makes multiarch easier then ever ;) 02:10 cbx33 ogra, great ! 02:10 ogra localapps were not discussed, see the fat-client spec for reasons ... 02:10 cbx33 <ogra> well, i dont have much on the tech side today 02:10 cbx33 :p 02:10 ogra we need a authentication mechanism in place first 02:11 ogra cbx33, :P 02:11 ogra turns out to be more than expected ;) 02:11 cbx33 ok 02:11 cbx33 that's cool 02:11 ogra over all the spec side was the best we ever had wrt edubuntu on any conference 02:11 cbx33 excellent === pips1 checks ltsp-fat-clients 02:12 ogra i had amazing feedback from ltsp.org as well as from jonathan jerome rodrigo and jordan about the teamwork and community stuff that happened there 02:13 ogra (i must admit i didnt go out with themm in the evenings to get the specs done) 02:13 bimberi ogra: it must have been good to have them there, more efficient 02:13 ogra flint, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs has the list of all specs 02:13 ogra bimberi, yes, it absolutely was 02:13 pips1 ogra "teamwork and community stuff that happened there" ? 02:13 ogra way more than on other ubuntu conferences 02:14 ogra yep 02:14 cbx33 ogra, you work-a-holic you :p 02:14 ogra pips1, well, usually people are just busy working 02:14 flint ogra, I had a chance to participate in a shoot out between k12ltsp and edubuntu. I got shot. 02:14 ogra and in the evenings you sit at the bar and slurp your beer ... 02:14 ogra but there was some edubuntu spirit this time 02:14 pips1 flint, ? 02:14 ogra i dont know how to express it in words 02:15 ogra flint, so you switch to k12 now ? 02:15 flint pips1, This thing called NELS... NorthEast Linux Symposium in Bethel Maine... 02:15 flint ogra, I suspect that Jeff will switch. 02:16 ogra well, he'll get our ltsp anyway in april :) 02:16 ogra one way or the other :) 02:16 pips1 flint, reasons? 02:16 flint ogra, it loads from 6 cd's (their bad) but it wipes us off the map. 02:16 ogra if he doesnt like the system i cant help it 02:17 flint ogra, you have a better meta-system, this fedora core k12 ltsp distro just needs to be emulated in all ways... 02:17 ogra i suspect rodarvus and richard will improve the edu situation beyond my tech skills a lot === pips1 only understands 2% of what is being talked about === DanielC thinks that pips understands 2% more than him === rodarvus winks 02:17 ogra pips1, k12ltsp is the redhat based edu distro 02:18 rodarvus sorry, I arrived late (was on a phone call) 02:18 pips1 could you be a bit more explicit for the benefit of the rest of us? :-) 02:18 ogra shipping the same stuff we do ... preconfigured ltsp edu apps etc 02:18 ogra they are the eduredhat 02:18 flint ogra, They have another symposium comming up at University of New Hampshire in July. I want to present about the future of Edubuntu. 02:18 ogra while we are the edu-ubuntu 02:18 flint ogra, nicely put. 02:19 flint ogra, they won the day - on merit! 02:19 ogra in fact the edubuntu idea comes from the founder of k12ltsp :P 02:19 ogra he created the spec for it in sydney 02:19 flint ogra, is that Eric Harrison? 02:19 ogra yep 02:19 pips1 right, so this is some kind of sideshow of the "distro war"? 02:20 ogra i never saw it as a war 02:20 flint pips1, this is the best distro wins... 02:20 ogra we surely are in our early stages compared to k12 02:20 ogra but we are on place 52 on distrowatch ... === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:20 flint ogra, the issue is that strategically launchpad and the ubuntu methodology will win out, the bad news is when. 02:20 ogra so i guess our popularity will gain us more ground in the future 02:21 spacey hi / sorry i'm joining so late 02:21 DanielC This is sounding a lot like a distro competition. 02:21 flint ogra, we are in a very difficult box. 6 CD's is about a DVD. When are we on a DVD? 02:21 ogra there is no competition in there 02:21 flint ogra, i agree completely with Ollie. This is all about technical merit. 02:21 ogra flint, we are 02:22 flint ogra, I came late. when and where? 02:22 ogra http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/6.06/release/ 02:22 ogra since the release already 02:22 DanielC Could someone then explain this deal about ltsp.org and edubuntu merging and the thing about edubuntu being more popular, and them being edu-hat and us being edu-buntu? 02:23 ogra it has only the contents of main though 02:23 flint ogra, I used 40 install disks I made of 6.06 and they were CD's. 02:23 ogra flint, well, why didnt you take the dvd :) 02:23 ogra its available since dapper development started 02:23 ogra but since we'll never ship a dvd it doesnt get much attention in advertisin 02:23 flint ogra, this was 6 CD's of LTSP base, you needed this to do the install. I do not need the universe. have you ever loaded k12ltsp? === digitalmouse returns from lunch 02:24 digitalmouse greetings programs! 02:24 ogra also most of our users arent even capable of downloading or using a dvd due to bandwith or tech (no dvd player) restrictions 02:24 flint I never had, 02:24 spacey whats wrong with 1 cd 02:25 spacey instead of 6 or a dvd 02:25 ogra nothing :) 02:25 flint ogra, Olli, the features they had, and the silly thing worked out of the box with no patching! 02:25 ogra patching ? 02:25 flint dhcpd3. === digitalmouse reads with interest the talk of LTSP 02:25 spacey why would you need to patch dhcpd3? 02:25 ogra flint, did you see the specs ? 02:25 flint and then some... 02:26 flint ogra, I saw the result. 02:26 ogra edgy *will* work out of the box 02:26 ogra without touching dhcp configs 02:26 ogra dapper works ut of the box if you pick the right ip net on install 02:27 ogra so i really miss to see the problem here 02:27 flint ogra, I will be releasing a compelte document on this topic, based upon Jonathan's earlier work. One of the chapters will be a comparison. You are going to team with LTSP.org with is Jim McQuillan, which is good. What about Eric Harrison? 02:27 ogra additionally it looks like Mithrandir is working on a liveCD that would make ltsp support possible 02:28 ogra so we even might ship a liveCD next release 02:28 ogra what about eric ? 02:28 flint ogra, the man can package a damn fine distro. and the word is that he needs help. 02:29 digitalmouse ooo... a live ltsp cd.. neat 02:29 ogra one of his emplloyees is permanently in #edubuntu and even helps supporting people 02:29 ogra flint, i wont resign and work on a rpm based distro 02:29 flint ogra, he is a teacher, to my knowledge he employs no one. 02:29 ogra he's free to join edubuntu development and bring his ideas to us 02:29 DanielC What is this about working on an rpm distro? 02:29 flint ogra, I am completely behind you on that (rpm --nodep yech!) 02:29 DanielC Guys, I'm really not understanding what's going on. 02:29 ogra DanielC, k12 is redhat based 02:30 DanielC yes, I know that part... 02:30 flint ogra, actually fedora based and thus free... 02:30 ogra flint, so what are we discussing here, he knows we're here 02:30 flint gang I went to the races with our car and I got left in the dust. that is my report. 02:30 ogra hes free to come over and make edubuntu k12edubuntu 02:30 ogra (even though i'd oppose the name ;) ) 02:30 DanielC Could someone summarize what's going on? 02:31 ogra you said something different before 02:31 ogra you said eric needs our help 02:31 ogra we could need his help as well ... its a question of what we base on 02:32 ogra sooo 02:32 flint DanielC, I am mentioning that two distributions of K12ltsp were at the NELS conference in Bethel Maine. Edubuntu did not triumph in comparison to K12LTSP. 02:32 DanielC flint: Ok, I'm slowly catching up... 02:32 ogra that was a lot tech stuff, i think we should do discussions afetr the meeting in #edubuntu rather 02:32 flint NELS has another conference in New Hampshire, and there is the NECC conference comming up. 02:33 pips1 so flint, you are saying k12ltsp currently offers more out of the box and should thus be advanced, rather than redoing an ltsp (edu) distro on the base of debian/ubuntu? 02:33 spacey if there are some interesting points compared to other distro's it is more use if you write them up and send to list? 02:33 ogra yeha 02:33 flint ogra, Oliver, I spent a week thinking about this. You have much on your shoulders, particularly management. What can I do to help you make your product better? The first thing I could think of was to tell you this. 02:34 ogra flint, i have two new colleagues now 02:34 ogra it should resolve as soon as we found our path, give us some tie to grow together 02:34 DanielC Ok, thanks pips1 and spacey. I think I've caught up now. 02:34 flint ogra, I would propose that you duplicate my observations. 02:34 ogra *time indeed 02:35 spacey ogra: who's new? 02:35 cbx33 I'm popping back in, sorry to clarify, ogra did you mean a live cd that can boot onto an ltsp network? 02:35 cbx33 or a live cd containing an ltsp root? 02:35 cbx33 I'm thinking the former 02:35 ogra cbx33, nope a livecd with ltsp server 02:35 spacey cbx33: i think for installation 02:35 cbx33 WOW 02:35 ogra it wont be very useable 02:35 cbx33 I would love Mithrandir forever 02:36 spacey ogra: i guess it could install as well then? 02:36 ogra i.e. you dont want to use more than one client actively 02:36 ogra spacey, indeed 02:36 cbx33 ok sure 02:36 ogra the disk IO is way to slow on a cd 02:36 cbx33 does our live cd support copying the entire cd to ram like knoppix 02:36 Mithrandir my use case is actually not ltsp, but rather "share this live cd" where the live cd has all the parts needed to netboot other machines. 02:36 Mithrandir cbx33: no. 02:36 ogra but well, we'll have a libe installer cd then 02:36 Mithrandir installing ltsp onto there should be quite easy, though. 02:36 cbx33 Mithrandir, ok cool 02:37 ogra Mithrandir, which is a trivial small step away from using it for ltsp :) 02:37 bimberi sounds like what knoppix does? 02:37 ogra well, not as hackish i guess :) 02:37 bimberi lol, kk 02:37 ogra but similar, yes 02:37 cbx33 my use case is..I have a very powerful server, own by an outside company, we're not lalowed to reinstall/open it, but we can't use it for what it was built 02:37 Mithrandir bimberi: knoppix is doing a bunch of the same stuff as we want to do, yes. The difference is our live cd tries quite hard to not diverge from the distro as such. 02:38 cbx33 so I was looking for easy options forme, and others to use it 02:38 cbx33 for something useful 02:38 ogra the idea is to have something to easily demo ltsp with 02:38 cbx33 ogra, exactly what I want it for 02:38 ogra and to be able to ship the livecd 02:38 cbx33 I know every school in the city here has one of these boxes 02:38 cbx33 and half of them don't use it === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:38 ogra currently we can only ship install because of the ltsp bits and the installer part for it 02:38 cbx33 ogra, presumably this is going to mean even tighter space constraints 02:39 ogra not really 02:39 ogra we have far more space on the livecd due to the compressed filesystem 02:39 cbx33 is it still planned for edgy to get rid of kdedu? 02:39 ogra i.e. the livecd ships 6 languages, the install cd only one 02:39 DanielC cbx33: what is kedu? 02:40 ogra cbx33, not if we dont find replacements 02:40 ogra which i dont see yet 02:40 cbx33 DanielC, kdeedu - a lot of the education apps rely on kde libs 02:40 ogra we should target it for edgy+1 02:40 cbx33 which are large 02:40 cbx33 we want to replace with gnome apps to save space 02:40 ogra and find people writing the necessary apps in that time 02:40 DanielC cbx33: Ok, I know those. Like Kalzium and KStars. 02:40 cbx33 DanielC, yes 02:40 ogra yep 02:40 cbx33 porting is an option in some cases no? 02:40 ogra kstars is easily replaced 02:41 cbx33 celestia? 02:41 ogra but there is no such thing as kalzium 02:41 cbx33 ogra, true 02:41 ogra cbx33, ever tried to port a Qt app to gtk ? 02:41 Riddell ogra: are you splitting out kdeedu language packs? 02:41 cbx33 ogra, you know about my gtk skills 02:41 ogra a rewrite is faster in most cases 02:41 ogra Riddell, i wanted, yes 02:41 DanielC What's the objective for removing them? Is it just to make the ISO smaller by removing KDE libs? 02:41 cbx33 DanielC, yes to fit more stuff on 02:41 DanielC ok, thanks 02:42 ogra but for now i focus on xulrunner and we got 20MB for free through the seed clanup 02:42 cbx33 so if you're up for writing some edu apps in gnome 02:42 cbx33 go for it 02:42 cbx33 ogra, good job 02:42 ogra so there might be enough space this time 02:42 cbx33 ogra, we have a split kdeedu don;t we? 02:42 ogra we never started off with spare space into a dev cycle yet 02:42 ogra split ? 02:43 cbx33 it's not the entire kdeedu 02:43 pips1 ogra, as far as I understand, the kde edu apps are all bundled together, so while it is easy to install them in one go, it makes it impossible.. erm hard to de-install individual apps that aren't wanted... 02:43 ogra thats not true 02:43 cbx33 what I'm thinking is, is it possible to write maybe a few apps to replace those in kdeedu as we go? 02:43 ogra there is a metapackage that pulls them all in === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:43 ogra we dont use it 02:43 ogra we only use the individual apps 02:43 cbx33 for example if I wrote a replacement for kbrauch 02:44 flint ogra, would it be possible to do a kedbubuntu? 02:44 cbx33 we could swap 02:44 ogra the biggest thing are the langpacks 02:44 ogra flint, sure it would, feel free to do it ;) 02:44 pips1 so I *can* de-install individual kde edu apps in edubuntu via synaptic? 02:44 highvoltage sorry for being late, got stuck in a meeting at the bank 02:44 ogra pips1, indeed 02:44 cbx33 hi Hawkwind 02:44 cbx33 hi highvoltage 02:44 highvoltage hi cbx33 02:44 pips1 ogra, oic, ok, my bad 02:44 cbx33 sheesh damn tab completion 02:45 ogra sooo, any other topics for tec ? 02:45 cbx33 is there the possiblity? 02:45 cbx33 i mean is it worth 02:45 ogra what ? 02:45 cbx33 asking on ML or something for people to write some edu apps 02:45 flint ogra, I know my news is not good. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I had to stand there and take it from the k12 LTSP weenies. It hurt. 02:45 ogra sureit is 02:45 DanielC I'd like to understand this deal about ltsp.org and edubuntu merging. 02:45 cbx33 some of the apps are so small 02:45 cbx33 I bet we could have replacements by edgy === pips1 reads http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow 02:45 ogra flint, i'm not worried about it and you should neither 02:46 ogra flint, they have years of experience in the edu sector ... i dont have any beyond my edubuntu work ... but we have someone who will solve that in edgy === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:46 cbx33 :D 02:46 ogra so just trust him to get his job done ;) 02:47 DanielC Who do we have? 02:47 ogra yes 02:47 DanielC This is an example of my being lost. 02:47 ogra he starts mid of july 02:47 ogra i announced that last meeting :) 02:47 DanielC ok 02:47 flint ogra, is this Jane's husband? 02:47 ogra yes 02:47 DanielC ah 02:47 DanielC Ok, I'm catching up. 02:48 ogra he was educational lead of HP 02:48 ogra so i really think he'll get it right ;) 02:48 DanielC I hope he knows his stuff :) 02:48 pips1 talking about years of experience, don't forget to mention the Skolelinux folk :-) 02:48 highvoltage i've met him a few times, he's a great guy. 02:48 highvoltage i'm sure he'll so great work for edubuntu. 02:48 cbx33 me too 02:48 ogra me too :) === lukketto [n=lukketto@host48-154.pool8710.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 02:49 ogra so flint, dont worry it will all come together nicely over time === cbx33 apologises for his lack of presense this week 02:49 cbx33 been a bad week 02:49 flint ogra, I am going to bet on the future at my next presentation in New Hampshire. 02:49 cbx33 but should be much better tomorrow 02:50 cbx33 I'm going to email canonical about the BETT2007 show 02:50 ogra i wouldnt want to cope with skole yet, but i think edgy will be in a state to "compete" with k12 02:50 flint ogra, what is jane's husband's handle on irc? 02:50 ogra no idea 02:50 jsgotangco ummmm 02:50 ogra i havent met him yet 02:50 jsgotangco i thought the meeting was much later 02:50 highvoltage why is k12 better than edubuntu again? 02:50 flint ogra, gotcha... 02:50 cbx33 highvoltage, it's not :p 02:50 cbx33 it's a perception thing :p 02:50 cbx33 hahah 02:50 pips1 highvoltage, I also want to know... flint, shoot! 02:50 ogra highvoltage, because flint feels like ... after he had a "competition" 02:51 cbx33 edubuntu rules supreme :p 02:51 flint highvoltage, jonathan, here is a partial feature list... 02:51 flint Features that they had that we did not included: 02:51 flint - worked out of the box, not patches 02:51 flint - plugged in a usb memory stick 02:51 flint - booted a client in 25 seconds 02:51 flint - had teacher tool. 02:51 flint - supported sound 02:51 flint - Booted a mac 02:51 jsgotangco cbx33: edubuntu is only a year old 02:51 jsgotangco dont be so blinded so much of short success =) 02:51 ogra flint, see the spec list its all on there 02:51 cbx33 jsgotangco, yeh and look how far we've come already. I'm not saying that we're better 02:51 highvoltage ogra: heh 02:51 cbx33 I'm saying we have so much potential 02:52 ogra 10 mins left 02:52 flint ogra, I was absolutely astonished at their product. 02:52 jsgotangco cbx33: it'll happen if we have like at least 2 more developers 02:52 ogra DOCUMENTATION 02:52 ogra any news here 02:52 highvoltage flint: there's also a lot of things that k12-ltsp don't have. i have 200 schools that say they like edubuntu more than k12-ltsp ;) 02:52 cbx33 there was the edubuntu cookbook meeting? 02:52 ogra (lets discuss competition later in #edubuntu) 02:52 highvoltage right. 02:52 jsgotangco ogra: none on my side, have been busy with g-a-i 02:53 ogra any intresting news fromm the cookbook ? 02:53 flint highvoltage, I owe you a draft of this document I have based off the tuxlab book. It is still beta. 02:53 cbx33 ogra, there was a meeting 02:53 highvoltage flint: ok 02:53 pips1 well, I think it's time that we get that glossary for edubuntu.org... jsgotangco what's g-a-i ? 02:53 cbx33 and minutes were posted on the ml 02:53 ogra well, did anyone attend ? 02:53 ogra ok 02:53 jsgotangco pips1: gnome-app-install 02:53 cbx33 i attended the first 02:53 flint highvoltage, I think I still have your email. i will send it to you after the meeting. 02:54 ogra ARTWORK 02:54 ogra we need an artteam leader 02:54 flint ogra, I actuall LIKE the artwork we got! 02:54 cbx33 AliasVegas is considering 02:54 ogra mark wants that every derivative has a leader of the artteam to make decisions etc 02:54 flint ogra, fedora really sucked in this way. They defaulted to purple bubbles this did suck. 02:54 cbx33 I think she's a little worried by the fact she hasn't been inthe community 02:54 ogra and works with the ubuntu artteam 02:55 cbx33 ogra, is there the possibility of creating job specs for some of these people 02:55 ogra cbx33, well, most of the art guys in ubuntu havent either 02:55 rodarvus who are the active artists of Edubuntu? 02:55 ogra for a volunteer job ... well 02:55 cbx33 well, yeh 02:55 ogra rodarvus, AliasVegas 02:55 flint ogra, would it be right to say that the art leader is an inspired job? 02:55 flint :^) 02:55 highvoltage i think cbx33 has a point... perhaps 'job specs' for people who volunteer isn't a bad idea. 02:55 ogra rodarvus, highvoltage does some stuff sometimes 02:55 ogra and me 02:56 rodarvus Ubuntu and Kubuntu will have part time artists working on Edgy 02:56 highvoltage it makes it easier for people to understand what's expected of them. 02:56 cbx33 at least then they know what is expected 02:56 cbx33 highvoltage, exactly 02:56 rodarvus plus, as ogra mentioned, a edgy artwork release team 02:56 ogra rodarvus, i doubt we'll get that in the bugdet (yet) 02:56 cbx33 i think if AliasVegas knows what's expected she'll be far more likely to get involved 02:56 flint ogra, artists have know to become inspired for a price... (I am no artist :^) 02:56 rodarvus ogra, yes, that was going to be my next comment :) 02:57 rodarvus I'd really love to have at least a part time artist doing stuff for Edgy on Edubuntu === jsgotangco sits in a corner and just watches the conversation 02:57 ogra cbx33, leadint the artteam ... communication with the ubuntu artteam 02:57 ogra thats the job 02:57 rodarvus meaning - I'll ask either mark or richardw asap 02:57 rodarvus thats why I asked about the active artists on our team 02:57 highvoltage it would be funny if his nick is actually RichardW :) 02:57 ogra rodarvus, AliasVegas did the alternative wallpaper we ship === pips1 looks at jsgotangco who is really good at making a point of sitting in the corner 02:58 pips1 ;-) 02:58 rodarvus ogra, do you know if he (she?) is a professional designer 02:58 flint rodarvus, do you have any inclinations to do this art thing? 02:58 ogra she's a great artist and took our critics and made an awesome wallpaper out of it 02:58 rodarvus flint, no 02:58 cbx33 ogra, you know we've had a big family stuff, hence she hasn't had a lot of time to think about it 02:58 rodarvus my wife is an acomplished designer, though :D 02:58 cbx33 but I'm pretty sure she'd love to do more 02:58 cbx33 she's a very creative person 02:58 flint rodarvus, I agree with you on this :^) 02:58 rodarvus we can try to bribe her for the job, but no promises :D 02:58 jsgotangco pips1: im sitting in this corner because i have no clue as to what is happening here at the moment so Im just going to listen here 02:58 ogra rodarvus, she's professional artist (and cbx33's wife) 02:59 rodarvus I really loved our wallpaper, btw 02:59 ogra the chalkboard or the homies ? 02:59 rodarvus cbx33, kudos to your wife :) 02:59 cbx33 I'll pass that on 02:59 cbx33 it was funny 02:59 cbx33 because 02:59 ogra ok, we're out of time 02:59 pips1 rodarvus, she did the homies 02:59 flint rodarvus, art won us the day in comparison to K12LTSP. === highvoltage > #edubuntu 02:59 cbx33 she did the first wallpaper draft 02:59 cbx33 because she thought no one would like it 02:59 ogra any community/management tasks 03:00 cbx33 she was totally shocked when every loved it 03:00 rodarvus sorry, I don't understand what 'homies' means in this context 03:00 ogra or any other business ? 03:00 cbx33 ogra, nope 03:00 ogra rodarvus, the laternative wallpaper 03:00 rodarvus oh 03:00 flint highvoltage, mail to you in a minute. 03:00 pips1 homies short for home boys 03:00 rodarvus now I get it, thanks :) 03:00 ogra ok, going once 03:00 highvoltage rodarvus: short for 'homeboys', as in, slang for 'ganster friends' 03:00 ogra going twice 03:00 pips1 highvoltage, heh 03:00 rodarvus wait 03:00 rodarvus :) 03:00 ogra meeting adjourned, thanks everybody 03:00 ogra oops 03:00 pips1 wait 03:01 ogra rodarvus, speak up 03:01 pips1 website? 03:01 rodarvus I'd like to propose a (unnoficial?) announcement for request for people to take part on artwork for Edgy 03:01 ogra what about it ? 03:01 ogra rodarvus, just mail edubuntu-users :) 03:01 rodarvus and to have someone officially regarded as responsible, etc 03:01 highvoltage flint: ok :) 03:02 rodarvus will do it 03:02 rodarvus just wanted to hear from you first if it is ok to do so :) 03:03 pips1 rodarvus, you might want to draft those requirements for artwork volunteers then? 03:03 ogra rodarvus, note that AliasVegas has contributed heavily and reacted very good on feedback from the community, she's the one we have experience with ... 03:03 ogra thast a big plus imho ... 03:04 ogra indeed that doesnt show her management skills ... which are required for a teamleader 03:04 pips1 highvoltage, cbx33 how is your time looking for website work? 03:04 rodarvus ogra, right, I agree 03:04 rodarvus ogra, whoever is appointed for this task, will need lots of feedback from us (developers) 03:05 ogra and from the community :) 03:05 ogra they are the users that have to live with the artwork for 6months :) 03:05 cbx33 pips1, not too bad 03:05 cbx33 <#edubuntu 03:05 ogra yeah 03:06 ogra meeting ends here ------------------------------------------- 03:06 ogra thanks everybody