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Meeting July 12, 2006
Technical
ogra - Explained he was working on the edubuntu artwork fix in dapper and that the metapackages and seeds were in place ready for the milestone CD
Mithrandir - Mentioned that there were a lot of broken packages and the milestone CD may not happen on the 13/07
rodarvus - Informed us that Kalzium was broken, but believed the issue to be KDE related
ogra - Asked for testers for i386 and amd64
rodarvus - Volunteered for i386 testing
jsgotangco - Volunteered for amd64 testing
ogra - Mentioned that the common build system for ltsp was on the way
Artwork
rodarvus - Informed us that his wife would be willing to help with the artwork
Community
ogra - Mentions 'flights' are called 'knots' this release cycle
ogra - Introduces RichardW, the new educational manager
jsgotangco - Said he will talk to the ubuntuforums people to get an edubuntu specific forum
02:00 ogra meep
02:00 jsgotangco hi
02:00 ogra seems cbx33 is missing for the minutes
02:01 ogra also there are no extra points on the agenda ... thats fine
02:01 ogra so lets keep it short :)
02:02 ogra from the tech side:
02:02 ogra i'm lagginng a bit with the edubuntu-artwork fix for dapper ... due to two merges for ubuntu i hadnt planned buit i'm doing atm
02:02 ogra +but i hope to get it done this week
02:03 ogra the metapackages and seeds are in shape so far (if you have seen the changelog of my edubuntu-meta upload... its huge, we dropped a lot)
02:03 ogra so we should be ready for tomorrows first milestone CD
02:04 jsgotangco nice
02:04 JaneW first milestone already?
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02:04 JaneW cool
02:04 Mithrandir ogra: it might very well not happen tomorrow unless a lot of packages are fixed.
02:04 JaneW what are they called this time?
02:04 ogra apart from that i'm most busy with ubuntu stuff as rodarvus is ...
02:04 Mithrandir JaneW: knot
02:04 jsgotangco knot 1
02:04 rodarvus ogra: lets just hope the rest of the distribution is fixed by tomorrow :)
02:04 JaneW weird
02:04 rodarvus which as Mithrandir mentioned, I'm not really confident is going to happen
02:04 JaneW I liked scuttle
02:05 ogra Mithrandir, well, at least our -meta side is sorted, that was on top of my TODO :)
02:05 rodarvus right :)
02:05 ogra rodarvus, doesnt matter i'm only looking from a edubuntu POV atm
02:05 Mithrandir ogra: sure, just trying to not give people too high hopes about having something tomorrow.
02:05 ogra Mithrandir, i'm happy if i dont have to test all night :)
02:05 jsgotangco edubuntu-specific syncs and merges no issues?
02:06 ogra no "high hopes" here :)
02:06 rodarvus jsgotangco: Kalzium appears to be broken ATM, but I believe it is due to KDE specific stuff
02:06 jsgotangco right
02:06 ogra jsgotangco, sure, but they didnt have a deadline today :)
02:06 ogra err ..
02:06 rodarvus actually, I'm doing another dist-upgrade right now
02:06 ogra forget about my last sentence :)
02:06 rodarvus so in a minute I'll tell you if Kalzium is still broken :)
02:06 ogra i was reading "promotions to main"
02:07 ogra there is nothing left to merge for edubuntu
02:07 ogra rodarvus, it might need a rebuild if libs underneath changed
02:07 rodarvus ogra: indeed
02:07 ogra thats a typical KDE thing ...
02:07 rodarvus I wish our build system could trigger library upgrades
02:08 ogra the kdeedu package itself should be fine though....
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02:09 jsgotangco ill just skip dist-upgrading for now and wait for knot before testing
02:09 ogra in other bad news, my amd64 laptop died this week ... so i currently can only do powerpc testing (which isnt very helpful)
02:09 jsgotangco im going to fill in for amd64 if you want but my bandwidth isnt that great
02:09 ogra it would be very appreciated to have some i386 and amd64 testers once the knot CD is up
02:10 rodarvus my upgrade to 2mb dsl arrived yesterday
02:10 rodarvus I can do i386 testing
=== jsgotangco curses his bandwidth
02:10 ogra i'll try to get a new amd64 lappie, but given that i also have to care for my move it might take some days
02:10 rodarvus my new laptop (intel core duo) should arrive in one or two weeks, but thats still i386
02:11 ogra so, thats all from the tech side so far ...
=== jsgotangco sighs
=== ogra ponders if he forgot something
02:11 ogra oh, right, the switch to a common buildsystem for ltsp is going on ...
02:12 ogra i just merged some changes from otavio ... i'll testbuild them this week and see if it works
02:13 RichEd i'm installing on a HP Pentium M 740 over the weekend ... if that helps as another test enviroment.
02:13 ogra once thats done the ltsp upstream guys willl jump on the code and start helping with development
02:13 ogra RichEd, what we'll test will be highly unstable ...
02:13 jsgotangco very
02:13 ogra but if you have space for a spare testing partition, thats fine
02:13 RichEd noted
02:14 ogra its the first milestone and not really expected to work flawless :)
02:14 ogra (i.e. a bug we havent discovered yet might wipe your HD )
02:14 ogra so, tech update done i guess ...
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02:15 ogra nobody from the cookbook team ?
02:15 ogra seems they had a meeting ...
02:15 jsgotangco well pips1 is here
02:15 pips1 hi
02:15 ogra pips1, any intresting things about documentation ?
02:15 pips1 nope
02:16 pips1 but I wanted to discuss the website and how it relates to the documentation...
02:16 ogra highvoltage, anything from your side (you were looking for website admins iirc)
02:16 pips1 sorry for being late, btw
02:17 ogra ok, seems there are either no documentation changes or its just nobody here who could tell us about :)
02:17 ogra since lisa isnt here i doubt we'll get an artwork update
02:17 ogra but she announced herself on the ubuntu-art mailinglist yesterday :)
02:18 jsgotangco yes
02:18 rodarvus nice
02:18 ogra anything else about art ?
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02:19 rodarvus ogra: also note that its very unlikely that she'll ever attend early morning edubuntu meetings
02:19 ogra rodarvus, you said your wife would be intreasted
02:19 rodarvus its probably 5-6am where she lives now :)
02:19 ogra rodarvus, lisa ?
02:19 ogra she lives in the uk
02:19 rodarvus ogra: indeed, my wife is interested, I talked to her already
02:19 rodarvus oh
02:19 rodarvus sorry
02:19 flint greetings sorry I am late in DC...
02:19 rodarvus I thougth she lived in the us
02:19 ogra nope
02:19 rodarvus disregard my comment then
02:19 pips1 hi flint
02:20 flint pips1, hey...
02:20 ogra but she has a day job afaik
02:20 rodarvus ogra: so, I talked with my wife, she is very competent, and willing to help
02:20 ogra great !
02:20 ogra we'll need a team going at some point :)
02:20 rodarvus indeed :)
02:21 rodarvus as an interaction designer, she's totally Windows, though
02:21 ogra my GF would also like to help, but given the time constraints we currently have here, that wont happen for edgy i guess
02:21 ogra doesnt matter ... as long as she can produce svg and png ;)
02:21 rodarvus but only for reference, my wife used to work as a designer of a local linux distribution
02:21 rodarvus so the icons/themes thing is really not news for her
02:21 flint ogra, imho we need less designers and more coders/testers.
02:22 rodarvus flint: we don't need less designers
02:22 ogra Flik, the coding front is coming up to speed
02:22 rodarvus we just need more technical people
02:22 ogra *flint
02:22 rodarvus one thing is not related to the other :)
02:22 ogra yeah
02:22 ogra and i'm not worried about the tech front atm ...
02:22 flint rodarvus, i am. have you seen the other LTSP offerings?
02:22 rodarvus flint: ogra and I have been busy doing merges the past few weeks
02:23 ogra it works quite well and there are people on their way to become more involved in hacking
02:23 flint rodarvus, when can we expect a new version say a flight?
02:23 rodarvus we are supposed to start working almost-full-time on Edubuntu (and LTSP) starting next week
02:23 ogra flint, we have scott and jim aboard for ltsp now
02:23 ogra no need to worry about that
02:23 flint rodarvus, would this next release be a flight?
02:23 pips1 ogra: scott and jim?
02:24 ogra they will base their next release on our code
02:24 rodarvus flint: next Knot ("flight" for Edgy) will be ready soon - it was mentioned in the beginning of the meeting, btw
02:24 ogra pips1, ltsp upstream
02:24 jsgotangco hmm just to add my wife is not even interested in this stuff im doing sorry =)
02:24 ogra flint, they are called knots not flights this release
02:24 flint rodarvus, thanks DC traffic etc...
02:24 rodarvus supposed to happen tomorrow, but likely to slip, due to merges being still ongoing
02:24 ogra flint, it will be knot 1
02:24 flint rodarvus, ah a slip-knot! :^)
02:24 pips1 hehe
02:25 rodarvus :)
02:25 flint :^)
02:25 ogra flint, dont worry about ltsp ... it will come up to speed :)
02:25 rodarvus anyhow, back on topic :)
02:25 ogra yeah
02:25 flint ok
02:25 ogra are we done with artwork ?
02:25 rodarvus *nods*
02:25 ogra fine then ...
02:26 ogra so lets come to the intresting part of this meeting
02:26 ogra ladies and gentlemen ....
02:26 ogra ... i'd like to introduce you all to aour new team mate ....
02:26 ogra ... our new educational manger ....
02:26 ogra ... husband of a former colleague ....
=== RichEd waves hello
02:27 JaneW ogra: is lisa directly involved now?
02:27 ogra and surely the best guy we could get for the job !
02:27 ogra meet RichEd !!!!
02:27 rodarvus RichEd: welcome!
=== RichEd takes a bow
=== rodarvus cheers
02:27 ogra JaneW, she's our new baked artteam leader
02:27 pips1 RichEd: welcome!
02:27 flint RichEd, Welcome and give my kindest regards to your wife
02:27 jsgotangco welcome
02:27 JaneW flint: hello
02:27 RichEd Thanks all ... I'm very gladf to be here ...
02:27 simira RichEd: who's your wife?
02:27 JaneW flint: do it yourself dude! :P
02:27 ogra yeah welcome RichEd :)
02:28 jsgotangco simira: JaneW
02:28 simira ah
02:28 simira btw welcome, RichEd
02:28 pips1 hello JaneW :-)
02:28 flint JaneW, hey kiddo!
02:28 simira JaneW, how are you? Tollef told me you left.
02:28 ogra simira, only physically :)
=== flint flint is most pleased to see Jane.
02:28 ogra she's stilll here as you see
02:28 simira ogra: I see that
02:28 JaneW simira: good thanks
02:29 RichEd simira: she is holding my hand to day :) on her new emploers time & internet connection :)
02:29 ogra simira, we wont let her out of our claws this easy ;)
02:29 simira RichEd: sounds good.
02:29 flint JaneW, who you working for?
=== JaneW doesn't want to disrupt meeting
=== flint ...so I can invest...
02:29 JaneW flint we can chat in #edubuntu
02:30 flint JaneW, fine
02:30 ogra i think we're done for today, unless someone has anything thats not on the agenda yet
02:30 JaneW wow, quick meeting
=== jsgotangco cannot think of any
02:30 ogra if you have anything that should be discussed, SPEAK UP NOW !
02:30 JaneW ow's the cookbook?
02:30 JaneW still improving?
02:30 flint FYI Elkner and the DC mafia invaded San Diego
02:30 pips1 ogra: website!
02:30 ogra JaneW, nobody from the team was here
02:31 JaneW flint: oh yes how did NECC go?
02:31 ogra pips1, tell us
02:31 flint JaneW, I will send you something... on the cookbook
02:31 JaneW flint: ta
02:31 flint elkner went to tijuana....
02:31 JaneW flint: er... recreationally...?
02:31 flint I stayed here. Big Crowd much interest...
02:32 pips1 I think it would be very good if we could get more "life" into the website, i.e. more content, but also more interactions...
02:32 ogra pips1, highvoltage asked for more webmasters
02:32 JaneW pips1, yes more updates and dynamic stuff too
02:32 ogra (last week)
02:32 JaneW yes highvoltage will need help, he has a new venture to focus on and won't be able to commit much time here afaik
02:32 pips1 I have been wondering what would be the best way to go about that... I think it would be great if we could get more educators discussing edu apps etc
02:32 ogra yep
02:33 ogra he has to be our edubuntu reseller in the future ;)
02:33 JaneW pips1, indeed
02:33 ogra pips1, ++
02:33 flint pips1, right now I am busy making trouble in DC. After that I teach LTSP at University of New Hampshire (NELS) then I will cause more trouble here...
02:33 JaneW I think part of the problem so far was us guessing what what needed rather than getting actual requests
02:33 simira JaneW: you will still keep up with your engagement in Edubuntu on voluntary basis?
02:33 pips1 in general, non technical people like forums and as far as i could see, there is still no edubuntu-specific forum on ubuntuforums?
02:33 ogra pips1, i think such stuff will be part of RichEd's job (correcrt me if i'm wrong)
02:34 flint JaneW, look at Fedora K12 LTSP and do what they are doing.
02:34 flint except do it better...
02:34 ogra pips1, there is one in the german forums ... i thought ubuntuforumms has one as well
02:34 flint :^)
02:34 jsgotangco it does look a bit dull at the moment
02:34 jsgotangco and nothing moves
02:34 pips1 the problem with forums is that you want moderators...
02:35 JaneW btw RichEd is disconnect, prolly by ADSL reset
02:35 pips1 we need some kind of quality assurance for the website, I don't think we can allow anonymous postings, can we...?
02:35 JaneW simira, I am going to try to be around a bit, but can't commit to much atm
02:35 ogra JaneW, then he can correct me later :)
02:35 flint Ah yes the tradition of Commonwealth communications...
02:35 JaneW ogra, I think so
02:35 ogra pips1, we shouldnt ...
02:35 ogra not for the website
02:35 jsgotangco pips1: of course
02:35 pips1 ogra: agreed
02:35 pips1 huh?
02:36 pips1 so JaneW and jsgotangco think we *should* allow anonymous postings?
02:36 JaneW no
02:36 jsgotangco no way
02:36 ogra we have a wiki and we *should* get a forum at some point ...
02:36 pips1 ah, right
02:36 flint pips1, na but make registration painless.
02:36 JaneW I was answering ogra saying RichEd should look into it
02:36 ogra the forum might have anonymous access allowed
02:36 rodarvus we should get a "folder" on ubuntuforums, actually
02:36 pips1 right
02:36 ogra yep
02:37 flint ogra, painless registration rather than anonymous is my vote.
02:37 ogra rodarvus, but someone has to take responsibility
02:37 ogra we cant burden it on the existing forum people
02:38 rodarvus agreed
02:38 rodarvus but any forums need admins
02:38 rodarvus what I mean is that, if/when we are supposed to have a forum
02:38 pips1 well, drupal , our website cms, is just perfect for building *community* sites.... enabling community communication... the technical stuff is not a problem, but we should agree on who can do forum moderation and who can proof read new content, so we don't publish incorrect technical information, etc
02:38 rodarvus it should be ubuntuforums
02:39 rodarvus there is no reason (nor rationale) to create our own forums
02:39 jsgotangco yes
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02:39 jsgotangco i will talk to one of the forum people
02:39 flint rodarvus, drupal does the job, what I worry about is subject linkage if you are not part of ubuntuforums
02:40 jsgotangco (they guy who attended in Paris)
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02:40 rodarvus jsgotangco: oh, I met him
02:40 jsgotangco yeah
02:40 JaneW jsgotangco, that was Roald Hopman
02:40 ogra grr, i hate my wireless
02:40 jsgotangco so yeah I will send him a PM
02:40 jsgotangco in the forums
02:41 ogra oh, right, we talked the last evening in the smokers corner :)
02:41 pips1 rodarvus: well, in general, I agree that we should build something that exists already/elsewhere, but there is a big divide between the ubuntuforums communities and the rest of the community (more technical people, who are prefer and are used to use bugtrackers, irc, mailing listes, etc)
02:41 rodarvus flint: the thing is, there is no reason to create another forum, no matter which tool is used for this forum - we should stick to what we already have (and which works quite well)
02:41 rodarvus pips1: people are trying to address this
02:41 jsgotangco ill look into this
02:41 ogra rodarvus, well, we always had probs with the forums ... that wont go away
02:41 rodarvus as mentioned here, Roald Hopman (one of the ubuntuforum admins) was at UDS Paris
02:42 jsgotangco considering were pretty much low traffic for now
02:42 pips1 *shouldn't build something
02:42 jsgotangco it shouldn't be that much of an issue IMO
02:42 rodarvus and talked for a long while with sabdfl, jdub and mako
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02:42 ogra i'd love to see it solved but unless that happens i wont belive its doable
02:42 rodarvus so, all interested parts (Mark included) are aware, and hopefully working on that
02:42 jsgotangco what is not doable? an edubuntu forum?
02:42 flint rodarvus, we agree on this point for differing reasons... but we agree.
02:42 RichEd_ hi ... got disconnected ... back ...
02:43 JaneW hi RichEd_ welcome to ADSL reset hell
02:43 ogra having our own forum would gain us more control ... and given that our userbase is a lot smaller it would probably be easier to manage
02:43 pips1 since there isn't any edubuntu-specific forum at ubuntuforums, why don't we enable a forum on our own site and see how that goes? or are you guys strictly against that idea?
02:43 jsgotangco well drupal has a forum plugin we can use if you want to
02:43 ogra jsgotangco, there were various attempts to get the forums in shape over the last two years
=== jsgotangco is completely aware of that
02:44 ogra i havent seen any fruitful ones that solved the probs yet
02:44 JaneW yes thee are current forum governance issues afaik
02:44 ogra i'd love to be proven wrong though
02:44 RichEd_ JaneW: please can you copy paste & email me the coversantion between [<JaneW> simira: good thanks] and my return message ... tx
02:44 pips1 governance issues?! like what?
02:44 rodarvus to be sincere, I'm mostly against the idea of having a separate forum
02:44 jsgotangco they like to govern on their own
02:44 JaneW also edubuntu forums will likely want to attract educators, which may not happen in the current ubuntu forums structure
02:45 rodarvus since there is interest on both parties to have a better integration with the existing forum with Ubuntu (and Ubuntu Community Council) itself
=== bimberi , fwiw, agrees with rodarvus
02:45 ogra rodarvus, well, having it integrated in ubuntuforums will bring us their problems ...
02:45 jsgotangco okay
02:45 jsgotangco we can then just activate the drupal forum then
02:45 ogra having it separated will bring us maintenance work ...
02:45 jsgotangco shouldn't be that complicated
02:45 RichEd_ i thnk that an education specific forum is important if we want to attract users - teachers are a different breed to regular users
02:45 flint Thanks all until next time!
02:45 ogra RichEd_, thats out of question
02:46 bimberi Jane Silber posted to ubuntu-marketing about the positives of the teams using the same resources. Admittedly that was wiki focussed, but still applies
02:46 flint sksk
02:46 RichEd_ okay ...
02:47 pips1 rodarvus: separate in which way? we can always do hyperlinks, it is just a question of the *integration* with the rest of the content... i.e. in drupal, every content get a "unique id", which means that you can re-organise your navigation very easily... you can increase the findability of stuff...
02:47 ogra RichEd_, the problem is that we'd inherit all govenance problems they have etc ... and if its on ubuntuforums which has a huge userbase you'll have to deal witn a lot of spam and trivias you wont see in a separate forum
02:47 bimberi (for reference - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-July/000552.html )
02:47 ogra we'd have more control in a self governed one ...
02:48 highvoltage sorry for being late again!
02:48 ogra iirc one of the reasons why the web guys cried for drupal was the integration of our own forum in the past
02:48 rodarvus highvoltage: tsc, tsc
02:48 jsgotangco highvoltage: yuppy executive startup bigwig!
02:48 highvoltage *g*
02:48 rodarvus highvoltage: I'll discount the late time on your monthly payment :D
02:49 rodarvus pips1: but what do you mean with "hyperlinks"
02:49 rodarvus for me, separate means not in the same database
02:49 JaneW <ogra> RichEd_, thats out of question <- what do you mean?
02:50 rodarvus many Edubuntu questions are not edubuntu specific
02:50 highvoltage rodarvus: ok :)
02:50 ogra JaneW, <RichEd_> i thnk that an education specific forum is important if we want to attract users - teachers are a different breed to regular users
02:50 JaneW ogra: yes we chose to migrate to drupal with the knowledge that there is forum functionality which we could use
02:50 rodarvus Edubuntu users will have to navigate (and register) somewhere else to ask why their intsallation failed
02:50 bimberi ogra: the ubuntuforums people might be able to give you all the control you want
02:50 pips1 as i said, technically, there aren't any real problems, it is more an issue of deciding how we go forward as a community ... i.e. if we want to improve the website, we want the current edubuntu community members on board, contributing content to the website, taking on moderation roles, proof reading content and approve content, etc.
02:50 JaneW ogra: that's what I thought you meant, but your response sounded like a 'no, that's out of the question' :P
02:51 ogra rodarvus, well, our audience willl be totally different
02:51 JaneW rodarvus, your arguments are good
02:51 rodarvus ogra: not "totally" different
02:51 ogra but i agree that this is a valid point :)
02:51 JaneW BUT the current set-up can be pretty newbie-harsh
02:51 highvoltage yep
02:52 rodarvus JaneW: in the same way it is newbie-harsh to non-edubuntu customers
02:52 ogra rodarvus, "how do i get content into this or that edu app" will be more intresting for them than how do i set up a lvm install
02:52 pips1 ogra: yes, i think so too
02:52 ogra they are teacher *using* the system
02:52 ogra we're not talking about general support
=== jsgotangco will have to skip his opinion on this since he is not experienced with the education sector
02:53 RichEd could there be a Edubuntu user front end, with education specific usability & adoption topics seperate, but pointing tech support install issues etc. back to ubuntu forums / help resources
02:53 ogra its rather about the use in schools
02:53 ogra thats a good compromise
02:53 rodarvus RichEd: that could be a good option
02:54 rodarvus a really good one, actually
02:54 pips1 so what if we start a educational topic-related forum on drupal and ask ubuntuforums to have a edubuntu-technical forum (mainly LTSP) over at ubuntuforums? does that make sense?
02:54 ogra the big value in having a drupal forum on our (separated) webserver would be that we could use the forum DB for we content
02:54 jsgotangco you will have 2 database of users
02:54 ogra *web
02:54 rodarvus jsgotangco: no, the proposal would be to have the same database
02:54 rodarvus with different frontends
02:54 jsgotangco how will you do that?
02:54 ogra yes we'd need to use LP accounts
02:55 ogra as everywhere in ubuntu
02:55 jsgotangco LP is a good compromise but doesn't work in ubuntuforums
02:55 pips1 yes, we definitely need LP accounts for our drupal site...
02:55 ogra it has an API
02:55 rodarvus ogra: I believe you are also underestimating the noise the ubuntuforums community can make :)
02:55 ogra so for free software it should be possible to write something to use LP
02:55 JaneW yes that could work, but there's still the sep login issue...
02:55 rodarvus they could get really angry if we just create another completely new forum
02:55 RichEd how about this view ... ALL edubuntu users are also ubuntu users, but not all ubuntu users are edubuntu users ?
02:56 ogra rodarvus, totally no, thats why i'm voting for a separate forum ;)
02:56 jsgotangco correct
02:56 RichEd i.e. edubuntu and education people are a subset ?
02:56 jsgotangco yes
02:56 ogra yes
02:56 rodarvus RichEd: correct
02:56 ogra s/no/not/
02:56 pips1 rodarvus: it would be a "specialised" forum for educators. the technical stuff could stay together with the other technical stuff in ubuntuforums...
02:56 rodarvus anyhow, I propose we "write down" on Wiki the pros and cons of the two options
02:57 ogra rodarvus, i'm also fine taking the blame for such a decision ...
02:57 RichEd so they could have a surface layer of education specific help, but go back to the base for "desktop" help ...
02:57 rodarvus pips1: if this is well kept in mind, then it could work
02:57 pips1 RichEd: correct
02:57 pips1 rodarvus, I have already written a fair amount on this topic in the wiki
02:57 jsgotangco well for what its worth, looking for info in the forums is like wading through the amazon
02:58 rodarvus I'd be ok, but this needs to be *clearly stated* in the educational forum :)
02:58 jsgotangco so i guess a separate edu-specific forum would be useful
02:58 ogra rodarvus, i'm rather worried about the noise the ubuntuforums make inside a edu folder there :)
02:58 ogra (on their own servers)
02:59 pips1 rodarvus RichEd have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilippSchroeder
02:59 ogra if i go to the forums i'm scared about the hackish workarounds etc after 10 mins of reading ... i wouldnt want to scare our teachers away through getting bad advise that trashes their system
02:59 rodarvus ok, I don't have any other objections, then - was just trying to make sure we are not diverging too much from Ubuntu itself :)
03:00 jsgotangco right
03:00 RichEd pips1: tx will do ... JaneW says you are very helpful :)
03:00 pips1 in particular https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration
03:00 rodarvus pips1: thanks for the links, I'll read through them asap
03:01 ogra btw, its desired that we make more use of the blueprint system in LP in the future for future releases ...
03:01 ogra i.e. such things should have a spec for edgy+1 stuff
03:01 rodarvus *nods* completely agreed
03:01 jsgotangco wow 1 hour meeting
03:01 ogra please point users with ideas to launchpad for that :)
03:02 ogra yeah, time is over
03:02 pips1 ogra: I agree compeletely, we definitely need to avoid those *hackish* workaround solutions on our website... that's why I think we need people to proof read content (i.e. *you* for technical things) before it gets published on the official edubuntu website!
03:02 ogra anything majorly important from anyone ?
03:02 ogra pips1, if i had the time i'd do it ...
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03:02 jsgotangco drupal will be good for that
03:03 ogra but mdz already complained in my performance review that i do too much non packaging/devel related stuff that distracts me ... i have to cut that down in the future :)
03:03 pips1 so did we come to a general consensus that we will now go with an education-specific forum on our drupal website, then?
03:03 JaneW ogra, do you still report into him?
03:03 pips1 hmm
03:03 JaneW pips1, +1
03:03 ogra JaneW, yes
03:04 JaneW ogra: oic
03:04 RichEd pips1 : would you like to work through pro's & cons with me ... and then we can put forward a suggestion for a vote ?
03:04 ogra JaneW, i'm still working in the distroteam as well as in the edubuntu team
03:04 rodarvus JaneW: also I do
03:04 rodarvus I believe ogra and I will report to two different persons now :)
03:04 pips1 RichEd: yes, very much so
03:04 ogra ok, lets finish the meeting here and move over to our own room :)
03:04 JaneW yes maybe finalise decision next week, after props and cons and present findings and recommendations next meeting
03:05 ogra going once
03:05 rodarvus JaneW: agreed
03:05 ogra going twice
03:05 JaneW ogra: what happend last week with EC?
03:05 JaneW gone
03:05 ogra meeting adjourned ...
03:05 ogra thanks everyone ;)