Meeting started by vibhav at 14:00:24 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-in/2012/ubuntu-in.2012-07-21-14.00.log.html .

Meeting summary

LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Meetings/20120721/Agenda (vibhav, 14:04:24) LINK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/ (koustav, 14:07:21)

• Status of tried ubuntu-in website

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/ (koustav, 14:07:37)

• current status of the LoCo website

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/ JOIN UBUNTU INDIA FB PAGE (koustav, 14:10:41) LINK: www.ubuntu-in.info (vibhav, 14:15:04) LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines (geekosopher, 14:20:36) IDEA: shift the LoCo website to wiki.ubuntu.com (vibhav, 14:25:04) IDEA: remove spam from the website and making a team responsible for keeping the wiki clean (vibhav, 14:35:48) IDEA: re-start the wiki (vibhav, 14:39:12)

• Team Leadership

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/ (koustav, 15:02:40) ACTION: Sort out leadership (vibhav, 15:08:57)

• operators for the #ubuntu-in channel

LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Meetings/20101217 (tachyons, 15:22:25)

Meeting ended at 15:27:19 UTC.

Votes

Action items

• Sort out leadership

People present (lines said)

• vibhav (96)
• ikonia (80)
• geekosopher (70)
• ramkr (48)
• tachyons (44)

• IdleOne (37)

• dumbguy (21)
• koustav (14)
• ashickur-noor (11)
• shadeslayer (6)
• Bigbang (5)
• abhishekp (5)
• meetingology (4)
• coolbhavi (2)
• javajk (1)

Full Log

• 14:00:24 <vibhav> #startmeeting

  14:00:24 <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Jul 21 14:00:24 2012 UTC. The chair is vibhav. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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  14:01:34 <vibhav> So who is present here?

  14:01:50 <dumbguy> i m

  14:02:12 <shadeslayer> \o

  14:02:18 <shadeslayer> passively however

  14:02:32 <coolbhavi> \o

  14:02:45 <vibhav> Koustav, bigbang: you there?

  14:03:04 <Bigbang> yes

  14:03:10 <koustav> ইয়ুপ

  14:03:13 <koustav> yup

  14:03:21 <coolbhavi> same here vibhav mailing on the arb list now so ll be silent

  14:03:26 <koustav> i am completeley new in relay chat

  14:03:34 <koustav> lots of things to learn

  14:03:54 <dumbguy> yeah me too

  14:04:21 <Bigbang> okay

  14:04:24 <vibhav> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Meetings/201207/Agenda

  14:04:58 <vibhav> So who currently knows about the recent chitchat in the mailing lists?

  14:05:26 <vibhav> Regarding the Status of the ubuntu-in LoCo

  14:05:32 <dumbguy> how recent are we speaking ?

  14:06:10 <vibhav> This is currently the first meeting in the year 2012

  14:06:28 <Bigbang> okay

  14:07:21 <koustav> https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/

  14:07:32 <vibhav> #topic Status of tried ubuntu-in website

  14:07:34 <ashickur-noor> hi

  14:07:36 <koustav> join UBUNTU INDIA's fb page

  14:07:37 <koustav> https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/

  14:08:06 <vibhav> #topic current status of the LoCo website

  14:08:38 <vibhav> So do we know how outdated is the website of our LoCo?

  14:09:18 <abhishekp> yes, we need to update it.

  14:09:21 <vibhav> ?

  14:09:50 <vibhav> Abhishekp: exactly

  14:09:52 <dumbguy> last blog was 221 days ago !

  14:09:54 <koustav> its showing 8.10

  14:09:57 <koustav> :OO

  14:10:15 <koustav> how can we update our website ?

  14:10:31 <vibhav> So what plans do you suggest for updating the eebsir?

  14:10:40 <vibhav> Website*

  14:10:41 <koustav> https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/ JOIN UBUNTU INDIA FB PAGE

  14:10:44 <ashickur-noor> .O

  14:11:12 <IdleOne> koustav: No need to repeat the link.

  14:11:21 <koustav> oh okay

  14:11:36 <abhishekp> Should we completely redesign the web site or just update the data present ?

  14:11:59 <vibhav> Koustav: we will start with the LoCo social pages later, can we talk about the website now?

  14:12:51 <vibhav> Abhishekp: the website wiki is full of spam currently

  14:12:59 <abhishekp> ok

  14:13:16 <shadeslayer> can you justify why we need a separate site?

  14:13:28 <vibhav> And the amount of spam is large

  14:13:39 <shadeslayer> why not a sub forum on ubuntu forums

  14:14:03 <vibhav> Shadeslayer: we don't need a separate site, we just need it to be redesigned

  14:14:36 <IdleOne> can you link to the site in question please

  14:14:44 <vibhav> Sure

  14:14:58 <shadeslayer> vibhav: no, I'm asking *why* do you need http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki

  14:15:04 <vibhav> #link www.ubuntu-in.info

  14:15:28 <ashickur-noor> is it Ubuntu verified?

  14:15:37 <ashickur-noor> As per I know Ubuntu give .org

  14:15:39 <ashickur-noor> not info

  14:15:52 <vibhav> You mean the LoCo ? No

  14:16:24 <ashickur-noor> not the LoCo the site

  14:16:49 <vibhav> The LoCo needs to be approved by the LoCo Council to get an .org domain name

  14:17:03 * shadeslayer is still waiting for a answer

  14:17:41 <ashickur-noor> ohhhh

  14:17:59 <ashickur-noor> We already have a .org domain, though our LoCo is dead

  14:18:11 <vibhav> Shadeslayer: well, the wiki was already there.

  14:19:07 <vibhav> Ashick-noor : no, ubuntu-in.org points to the ubuntu website

  14:19:43 <dumbguy> how do we get approval of loco council

  14:19:54 <ashickur-noor> yaP I know It is a LoCo site

  14:20:04 <ashickur-noor> Bye

  14:20:09 <ashickur-noor> need to go

  14:20:36 <geekosopher> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines

  14:20:44 <vibhav> Shadeslayer : either, we can shift the wiki to wiki.ubuntu.com and remove the wiki from the .info domain

  14:20:54 <geekosopher> hello all

  14:21:05 <vibhav> Geeksopher: hey

  14:21:10 <geekosopher> shadeslayer: the forum is for support

  14:21:24 <geekosopher> a website is for showcasing the community

  14:21:45 <geekosopher> we don't necessarily need a separate website

  14:21:58 <vibhav> Afaik, the team admins can only request a LoCo forum

  14:22:05 <dumbguy> sustained team activity...how do we do that

  14:22:23 <geekosopher> but can work with even #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/

  14:23:00 <vibhav> That is a good idea too

  14:23:17 <vibhav> We can get a website once our LoCo is approved

  14:23:20 <geekosopher> though the wiki.ubuntu.com is intended to be only for co-ordinating the team activity

  14:24:28 <vibhav> Ill ask the LoCo council about that

  14:24:55 <geekosopher> vibhav: what do you want to ask the loco council?

  14:25:04 <vibhav> #idea shift the LoCo website to wiki.ubuntu.com

  14:25:14 <javajk> anybody from kerala ?

  14:25:55 <vibhav> Geeksopher: If we can shift a LoCo website to the ubuntu wiki

  14:26:01 <geekosopher> javajk: we can have a separate networking session later

  14:26:31 <geekosopher> vibhav: but we already have the pages at wiki.ubuntu.com

  14:27:02 <vibhav> Any more ideas for through website? ill mail the LoCo web team about them.

  14:27:12 <vibhav> The*

  14:27:36 <dumbguy> somebody correct me, we need sustained activity to retain .org only right ?

  14:28:03 <vibhav> Geeksopher: they only list information about the LoCo

  14:28:09 <geekosopher> dumbguy: we need sustained activity to gain loco approval

  14:28:18 <vibhav> Dumbguy: yes

  14:28:28 <dumbguy> okay got it

  14:28:41 <vibhav> Any more ideas?

  14:29:23 <geekosopher> vibhav: yes, so is that not functional enough for now, while we try to redisign the website?

  14:29:32 <vibhav> I take that as a no then

  14:29:50 <abhishekp> so when shall we start working on the site ?

  14:29:50 <vibhav> Ignore the previous line

  14:30:06 <ramkr> Hi all, sorry for joining in late

  14:30:22 <vibhav> Ramkr: that's fine

  14:30:40 <geekosopher> abhishekp: we can start working on the site right now

  14:30:48 <vibhav> Abhishekp : Ill ping the LoCo web team about this

  14:30:52 <tachyons> hello

  14:30:54 <abhishekp> ok

  14:31:04 <geekosopher> vibhav: LoCo web team?

  14:31:22 <ramkr> apologize again, with a question, is it possible for an update as to whats been discussed so far

  14:31:34 <dumbguy> when we say work on website, what exactly will that consist

  14:31:39 <vibhav> Geeksopher: yes, the team in charge of the LoCo website

  14:31:59 <IdleOne> ramkr: there will be logs of the meeting you can read later.

  14:32:05 <geekosopher> you mean loco.ubuntu.com?

  14:32:15 <tachyons> So late , what are things discussed

  14:32:43 <geekosopher> tachyons: read message by IdleOne

  14:32:54 <vibhav> Geeksopher: no, the ubuntu-in web team

  14:32:59 <geekosopher> ok

  14:33:01 <IdleOne> May I suggest updating the current .info site. mainly the wiki info so it is at least current.

  14:33:42 <vibhav> IdleOne : the website is hit by a massive spam attack

  14:34:05 <tachyons> geekosopher:how

  14:34:09 <IdleOne> That would be a good start to modernize the look of the team and also show the loco council that there is activity in the loco.

  14:34:21 <vibhav> It may be very difficult to remove those pages

  14:34:30 <geekosopher> tachyons: what how?

  14:34:44 <IdleOne> vibhav: spam can be removed and volunteers can help keep it clean

  14:34:57 <tachyons> How to get todays archive ?

  14:35:16 <IdleOne> tachyons: a link to the log of this meeting will be posted at end of meeting

  14:35:21 <geekosopher> tachyons: link to the log will be provided after the end of the meeting

  14:35:48 <vibhav> #idea remove spam from the website and making a team responsible for keeping the wiki clean

  14:36:05 <dumbguy> who maintains/maintained website ?

  14:36:08 <geekosopher> i like that idea

  14:36:08 <IdleOne> tachyons: a link to the log of this meeting will be posted at end of meeting

  14:36:16 <ikonia> look at the wiki

  14:36:20 <ikonia> there is nothing of any value in it

  14:36:22 <ikonia> delete it

  14:36:23 <ikonia> re-create it

  14:36:27 <ikonia> make it account only

  14:36:32 <vibhav> ^

  14:36:40 <ramkr> +1 ikonia

  14:36:44 <vibhav> Ikonia: hi

  14:36:45 <ikonia> people who are members of the loco get accounts only

  14:36:47 <ikonia> simple

  14:36:50 <ikonia> use brain

  14:36:51 <ramkr> seems like we need a fresh start

  14:37:06 <tachyons> who will be in the new website team ?

  14:37:07 <ikonia> you only got spammed because the wiki was not setup properly so spam bots can hit it

  14:37:18 <ikonia> someone who has knowledge of how to run a web site needs to lead

  14:37:22 <ikonia> so there is security concerns

  14:37:37 <vibhav> Ill ping the web team about it too

  14:37:45 <ikonia> are the web team active /

  14:37:47 <ikonia> do they even exist ?

  14:37:55 <ramkr> Ikonia - it may also be an opportunity to have , as assistants, people who want to learn how to setup and maintain websites

  14:37:56 <ikonia> there is no activity on the project

  14:38:06 <ikonia> ramkr: as long as someone who is capable is leading

  14:38:12 <ikonia> ramkr: it's pointless having someone who has no idea teaching people

  14:38:16 <vibhav> Ikonia : the wiki has some valuable content regarding the LoCo too

  14:38:26 <tachyons> do they even exist . exist in paper

  14:38:29 <ikonia> vibhav: it really doesn't, it's conent appears to be worthless

  14:38:45 <ikonia> vibhav: however you can export any content you feel is vaulable

  14:39:11 <geekosopher> ikonia: yes, the admins should be contacted about accounts on wiki

  14:39:12 <vibhav> #idea re-start the wiki

  14:39:25 <ramkr> My general feeling is that one of the reasons why ubuntu-in is not so well is because of lack of two way interacitivyt, people have to feel that they are wanted and contributing

  14:39:31 <tachyons> javajk :are you jayakrishnan ?

  14:39:32 <geekosopher> ikonia: they do exist, just a little busy

  14:39:33 <ikonia> if you are unsure of how to deal with the website, why not go to a very active loco team, eg: one of the USA ones, ask for their website template, ask their web maintainer to set it up for you

  14:39:53 <ikonia> that way you have the website problem solved in 10 seconds, you know it's secure, and you just have to maintain the content

  14:40:17 <ikonia> there seems to be massive ammounts of discussion and no real common sense approach of how to deal with........ a website

  14:40:45 <ikonia> you're part of the ubuntu community that has massive locos already doing this, with experienced people, leverage it

  14:40:49 <ikonia> take their templates, take their admin teams experience

  14:40:56 <ramkr> also presently there is an overload of sources of information, so no one has any real need to visit ubuntu india

  14:41:08 <ramkr> we have to have things that no one else has,

  14:41:13 <vibhav> Exactly

  14:41:17 <ikonia> no you don't

  14:41:20 <tachyons> +1

  14:41:25 <ikonia> the loco is about providing a community for the local area/group

  14:41:29 <ikonia> not about having something others don' thave

  14:41:42 <vibhav> I doubt the necessity of a website too

  14:41:45 <tachyons> +1 @ikonia

  14:41:46 <ikonia> it can be exactly the same as every other loco, but based in the india area

  14:42:09 <ikonia> to bring the india community and act as an information hub for the india loco

  14:42:16 <ramkr> so why would any one want to visit ubuntu india loco when what it does is no different from indiana

  14:42:27 <ikonia> ramkr: because indiana is based in america

  14:42:40 <vibhav> Afaik, we were earlier an approved LoCo

  14:42:45 <ikonia> ramkr: so the events in america are not really any value to those people based in india

  14:42:47 <ramkr> i guess we are sayng the same thing - india based , india specific attrative to india

  14:42:49 <ikonia> or the information will be related to people in america

  14:42:55 <ikonia> correct

  14:43:06 <IdleOne> ramkr: To find out if there any local events they can attend, to see if there is any events they can help organize/volunteer for....

  14:43:10 <ikonia> it's the Indian loco, it's a hub and resource for the Indian loco team

  14:44:10 <ramkr> i know a lot of people who use ubuntu / mint but its installed by friends etc and they have no idea about what ubuntu or linux is all about

  14:44:16 <vibhav> We have a little time left, can we start with the next topic?

  14:44:20 <IdleOne> the LoCo site can also be used to point to existing support resources that are know to be safe and good.

  14:44:23 <ramkr> Idleone - i agree,

  14:44:40 <geekosopher> vibhav: let us first decide with this topic

  14:44:44 <ikonia> I think you need to consider what a loco is

  14:44:46 <ikonia> maybe talk to some of the other locos

  14:44:48 <IdleOne> so, having a bunch of help info repeated is IMHO a waste of web space

  14:44:50 <vibhav> Geeksopher : sure

  14:44:54 <geekosopher> what was the outcome of this disucssion

  14:44:59 <tachyons> vibhav: lets create volunteer teams right now

  14:45:06 <ikonia> ???

  14:45:09 <ikonia> why are you creating teams

  14:45:15 <ikonia> for what function ?

  14:45:18 <vibhav> Remove/restart/shift the wiki

  14:45:21 <ikonia> why ?

  14:45:27 <ramkr> many of the other loco's are located in univ where students form the base,

  14:45:28 <tachyons> for each function

  14:45:45 <ikonia> guys, look at what you are doing, you are running around like headless chickens

  14:45:51 <tachyons> I am a univ student

  14:45:51 <ramkr> that not what is it in our case, most of us, correct me if i am wrong, are working and use ubuntu professionally

  14:46:05 <IdleOne> right now I think the best thing would be for someone who has some knowledge of websites to volunteer to contact an existing LoCo team and get their help.

  14:46:08 <ikonia> does it matter how you use ubuntu ?

  14:46:17 <ikonia> peronsal, business, fun, a door stop

  14:46:55 <vibhav> Tachyons : why do we need a separate team?

  14:47:06 <ikonia> why don't you ask one of the existing successfull locos to loan you a leader

  14:47:13 <ikonia> someone who can help get you moving/started/orginised

  14:47:23 <dumbguy> someone should summerize whats going on, else conversation will run in circles

  14:47:28 <ikonia> someone who has experience

  14:47:33 <vibhav> Ikonia : +1

  14:47:44 <IdleOne> ikonia: I think the best option for guidance would be to contact the LoCo Council.

  14:47:50 <tachyons> vibhav: visit our loco site twice ,

  14:48:11 <ramkr> it does make a difference because students are most interested and create a lot of activity around linux and they are also the most likely to have time to volunteer

  14:48:19 <ikonia> ramkr: no, I'm sorry it doesn't

  14:48:26 <IdleOne> The LoCo council is better suited for helping find the appropriate help for a team who wants to regain approval.

  14:48:30 <tachyons> ikonica :+1

  14:48:32 <ikonia> ramkr: it makes no difference to a loco if users are at school, work, or don't even use the OS

  14:48:36 <vibhav> So as Geeksopher said, what do we conclude from this chat?

  14:48:40 <ramkr> and many univs already have their own lugs which do a lot of what the loco wants to do

  14:49:19 <ikonia> I couldn't disagree more

  14:49:31 <IdleOne> ramkr: in its purest form, a loco is about making new friends.

  14:49:33 <vibhav> 1. Restart the website 2. Shift the website to ubuntu wiki

  14:49:45 <ikonia> ??

  14:49:48 <ramkr> + 1 idleone

  14:49:48 <ikonia> have you just read what you've said

  14:49:57 <ikonia> why do you need to restart the website if you are moving it to the ubuntu wiki ?

  14:50:17 <ramkr> a space to know what others are doing and to learn and take things forward a network which is caused by ubuntu

  14:50:20 <dumbguy> ramkr: i get what you are saying but trust me, m an engg student and even some proferssors here are unaware about ubuntu, can't expect students to know..

  14:50:21 <ikonia> I'll leave you to it - it's clear this is just noise for the sake of noise with no real planning or experience

  14:50:29 <vibhav> Ikonia : they are the different ideas we have concluded. They are not related to each other

  14:50:55 <ikonia> vibhav: how can restart the website, move the website to the ubuntu wiki not be related ?

  14:51:04 <ramkr> dumbguy: ah not the prof, the students and a few are enough to make a lot of noise -

  14:51:10 <tachyons> I agree with option , second option does'nt make sense

  14:52:00 <IdleOne> What is the current leadership setup for this loco?

  14:52:08 <vibhav> Tachyons: the second option meant removing the website and shifting the content to the ubuntu wiki

  14:52:17 <IdleOne> Who is the team lead?

  14:52:30 <geekosopher> IdleOne: visit loco.ubuntu.com for the info

  14:52:32 <vibhav> #topic Team Leadership

  14:52:50 <vibhav> The LoCo is headed by bghose

  14:52:56 <tachyons> I am B tech student , We are gonna create open source club in our college , I hope we can do something for our loco

  14:53:06 <IdleOne> ok, are they active in this channel or on the mailing list?

  14:53:57 <tachyons> Ledaer must have previous experiance in ubuntu community

  14:54:08 <vibhav> i had proposed a new team structure and he said that we can the the LoCo members about it and take their opinion

  14:54:33 <vibhav> So here is the proposed team structure:

  14:54:36 <geekosopher> vibhav: say again?

  14:54:39 <IdleOne> vibhav: Did that conversation with the rest of the loco members ever happen?

  14:54:52 <vibhav> We will be taking inspiration from the Italian LoCo

  14:55:00 <IdleOne> you are jumping ahead of yourself.

  14:55:17 <IdleOne> You need to slow down and realize that nothing is going to get decided today.

  14:55:33 <tachyons> IdleOne:+1

  14:55:34 <IdleOne> vibhav: Did that conversation with the rest of the loco members ever happen?

  14:55:39 <vibhav> IdleOne : we had planned that we would discuss this in this meeting

  14:55:45 <geekosopher> vibhav: don't run it

  14:55:54 <geekosopher> we can meet again

  14:55:57 <ramkr> Team Admin(s): Aanjhan Ranganathan, Baishampayan Ghose, Gora Mohanty, Onkar Shinde, Soumyadip Modak

  14:55:57 <ramkr> Team Contact(s): Aanjhan Ranganathan, Manish Sinha (मनीष सिन्हा), Nitesh Mistry, Nigel Babu

  14:56:12 <geekosopher> but just chatting with any decision is waste of time

  14:56:15 <ramkr> the above from the loco site, are any of the people listed there on in this chat

  14:56:20 <vibhav> Yes, they all are informed about this meeting

  14:56:23 <IdleOne> are any of the current leaders here today?

  14:56:26 <ramkr> some of them are active on the list

  14:56:52 <ramkr> * ubuntu india email list

  14:56:52 <geekosopher> I am Nitesh Mistry

  14:57:08 <vibhav> Niteshmisty voted for the timings , but isnt available hee

  14:57:15 <ramkr> Good to know

  14:57:22 <IdleOne> geekosopher: Nice to meet you.

  14:57:25 <geekosopher> vibhav: hi

  14:57:26 <vibhav> Geeksopher : ah

  14:57:44 <tachyons> I Manish minha : I am not familair with others

  14:57:44 <geekosopher> 0/

  14:58:05 <ramkr> thats two of the many

  14:58:08 <IdleOne> Now, since geekosopher is a team contact i propose he be the one to contact the LoCo Council and request help on getting this loco back up on its feet

  14:58:11 <tachyons> I know *

  14:58:18 <ramkr> but a start

  14:58:29 <vibhav> Geeksopher ^

  14:58:50 <tachyons> restart

  14:58:52 <IdleOne> the website has been forgotten about for a long time, a little longer won't make much difference.

  14:59:01 <vibhav> Geeksopher : we only have a LoCo for a namesake

  14:59:17 <geekosopher> IdleOne: I don't mind... but first we need to have a decision

  14:59:52 <tachyons> I hope my E mail helped for it :p

  14:59:59 <ramkr> I vote for Nitesh to take the lead , if he wants to

  15:00:06 <geekosopher> vibhav: yes the loco is inactive, accepted

  15:00:17 <geekosopher> but no point repeating the same again

  15:00:47 <dumbguy> as proposed earlier, i think its better to keep wiki alive and active until we have sufficient activity for loco ?

  15:01:07 <geekosopher> before we go to loco council, we need to have a plan of action

  15:01:11 <IdleOne> geekosopher: ok, ikonia suggested contacting one of the US LoCo's to get help setting up a secure web presence. ( California, Wisconsin, Oregon) all very active locos.

  15:01:22 <vibhav> if the LoCo is not active, what will we do with a website?

  15:01:40 <geekosopher> vibhav: good point

  15:01:54 <geekosopher> so how do we make the loco active?

  15:01:57 <IdleOne> vibhav: getting a secure website is the first step. Then you populate the site with information.

  15:02:14 <geekosopher> IdleOne: no, I guess that is the second step

  15:02:21 <IdleOne> getting a secure website is also a step towards being more active.

  15:02:24 <tachyons> Do we have a fb page/group ,twitter ?

  15:02:28 <geekosopher> first is to get some activity going

  15:02:40 <IdleOne> geekosopher: this meeting is activity

  15:02:40 <koustav> https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuindia/

  15:02:41 <IdleOne>

  15:02:42 <geekosopher> have some release parties,

  15:02:58 <ikonia> amazing

  15:02:58 <geekosopher> IdleOne: no this is not an activity by itself

  15:03:03 <ikonia> this is a totally lost project

  15:03:11 <ikonia> geekosopher: actually it is

  15:03:17 <geekosopher> how about ubuntu hour in each city

  15:03:20 <ikonia> geekosopher: it's members of the region/loco having a meeting

  15:03:27 <ikonia> geekosopher: it's acticity, you don't have to have parties

  15:03:28 <tachyons> koutsav : I am alraedy member there(Aboobacker mk)

  15:03:45 <ikonia> you have to have information for people wanting to contribute

  15:03:46 <ikonia> so that they know how to get in contact with others, what others are doing etc

  15:03:57 <koustav> :P

  15:03:58 <ikonia> how will people know about these release parties with no information ?

  15:04:03 <geekosopher> ikonia: yes, the irc meetings are an activity

  15:04:08 <ikonia> how will people know to join this channel to meet other Indian loco members ?

  15:04:20 <ikonia> you need to have information available, secure, public, professional, valid, up to date

  15:04:20 <geekosopher> but not the one that defines a community

  15:04:23 <ramkr> in the past few days on the email list there was an announcement for a release party in chennai and a initial call for a meeting in delhi

  15:04:38 <ramkr> there is activity, just that the loco ain't in it

  15:04:41 <tachyons> ikonica : via social network , mailing list etc

  15:04:44 <IdleOne> geekosopher: after the Ubuntu hour, where do you put info about what happened during the hour? before the hour how do you let people know where it will be? all these things go on the website, without the website there is no way for people interested in meeting new people to find out about it.

  15:04:47 <ramkr> + ikonia

  15:04:53 <ikonia> tachyons: how will people know about these lists, and social networking

  15:05:06 <ikonia> tachyons: and facebook is a terrible tool, it depends on you having an account

  15:05:14 <vibhav> Yup

  15:05:17 <dumbguy> yep

  15:05:25 <ikonia> tachyons: so the sooner you stop spamming that pointless facebook page, the better

  15:05:26 <geekosopher> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Events

  15:05:26 <tachyons> ikonica: share share share

  15:05:45 <ikonia> tachyons: you can only share with people who have accounts

  15:05:47 <ramkr> ikonia: agree on fb, i am not on it and am sure so are many othesrs, meaning we need to keep all channels active and open

  15:06:00 <ikonia> this project is totally lost in every way possible

  15:06:12 <ikonia> I suggest you end this dicussion, and get involvment from the loco council/experienced locos

  15:06:15 <tachyons> ikonica :sharing !=facebook

  15:06:21 <ikonia> tachyons: how do you share

  15:06:22 <IdleOne> So IMO I think the first steps is to get the website setup securely. geekosopher but the regular person in India who just heard about Ubuntu and wants more info does not go looking for wiki pages.

  15:06:44 <dumbguy> i believe people are reluctant in india to shift to ubuntu, we can start by informing why ubuntu is better even for indian workspaces/household PCs (I know a lot of info on this exists already)

  15:06:52 <vibhav> Ikonia: we are a lost project, I consider this meeting as baby steps

  15:06:56 <dumbguy> kind of activity

  15:07:23 <tachyons> reduce talking and do more

  15:07:27 <vibhav> We can atleast conclude something

  15:07:45 <ikonia> tachyons: saying prep-speeches doesn't add much

  15:07:50 <tachyons> ikonica : via friends to friends

  15:07:54 <Bigbang> to let know i they here

  15:08:01 <ikonia> tachyons: good luck with that

  15:08:04 <ramkr> how about an outreach programme to contact existing ubuntu users who are not part of the community

  15:08:11 <tachyons> ikonica :i know

  15:08:31 <ramkr> provide them with additional information about software and other latest things that are heppening

  15:08:32 <ikonia> guys, sort your leadership out, then get orginised

  15:08:35 <ramkr> *happening

  15:08:38 <geekosopher> vibhav: yes, its time to summarise

  15:08:45 <ikonia> get involvement from other experienced groups to guide you

  15:08:48 <ikonia> you are just going around in a circle here with no real value

  15:08:51 <geekosopher> ikonia: sure, thanks for letting us know

  15:08:57 <vibhav> #action Sort out leadership 15:08:57 * meetingology Sort out leadership

  15:09:31 <ikonia> hitting "action" in a bot isn't really doing something

  15:09:31 <ramkr> Prefer action to be have a stucture and roles in place

  15:09:33 <tachyons> ^ start a thread in mailing list , it is better to take a dicision about future plans

  15:09:45 <ikonia> an action needs to be given to someone

  15:09:47 <ikonia> with a plan

  15:09:59 <ikonia> just saying "action do $X" won't actually do anything

  15:10:32 <ikonia> good luck guys,

  15:10:39 <vibhav> Ikonia: we can least ping the current leadership about this?

  15:10:40 <geekosopher> ikonia: thanks

  15:10:41 <ramkr> Action: Have structure and defined roles,

  15:10:44 <tachyons> I think we should meet next week also

  15:10:55 <ramkr> Have people who are on the loco already to opt for a role

  15:10:55 <vibhav> Yup

  15:11:01 <geekosopher> tachyons: yes

  15:11:02 <ramkr> new people join the loc first

  15:11:11 <geekosopher> and thats the last item on agenda

  15:11:25 <ramkr> and then take up a role based on what they can do, not what they want to do (meaning they should be capable)

  15:11:35 <geekosopher> so what do you guys suggest for a meeting time?

  15:11:59 <tachyons> I same time on next week

  15:12:12 <ramkr> ? missed your full ? geekosopher

  15:12:23 <tachyons> I prefer *

  15:12:41 <geekosopher> ramkr: did not understand your last post

  15:12:54 <ramkr> what is the plan for the discussion about and where ?

  15:13:41 <dumbguy> i m new to this, how did leadership selection happen before our loco was passive, we can follow the same procedure ?

  15:14:20 <geekosopher> I am good with this time any week

  15:14:36 <geekosopher> I meant any saturday or sunday

  15:14:58 <ramkr> and do we get th other loco members to come

  15:15:00 <vibhav> i will be setting up a doodle poll for the next meeting

  15:15:07 <tachyons> should we need next doodle poll ?

  15:15:10 <geekosopher> vibhav: want to take a vote here instead?

  15:15:17 <dumbguy> are we winding this up ?

  15:15:29 <ramkr> rather have more people join in same time next week then poll for time again

  15:15:41 <geekosopher> dumbguy: yes, unless you have something more to discuss

  15:15:47 <vibhav> Geeksopher : all the LoCo members are not present, no

  15:16:02 <ramkr> who is taking responsibility to post the summary on this list and other lugs list with an invite for the next chat

  15:16:03 <geekosopher> ramkr: i was asking about the next week only

  15:16:15 <ramkr> +1 for next week

  15:16:17 <vibhav> Ramkr: me

  15:16:31 <ramkr> Cheers to Vibhav

  15:16:32 <dumbguy> okay great

  15:16:42 <tachyons> vibhav :+1

  15:16:52 <geekosopher> vibhav: thats great

  15:17:02 <tachyons> I am waiting for mailing list

  15:17:38 <vibhav> Lets discuss the final topic

  15:18:01 <tachyons> what was that?

  15:18:04 <geekosopher> weren't we on the final topic?

  15:18:22 <vibhav> #topic operators for the #ubuntu-in channel

  15:18:23 <geekosopher>

  15:18:59 <vibhav> Ok, so who are the current operators for this channel?

  15:19:13 <geekosopher> why do we need new ones

  15:19:25 <geekosopher> there is hardly any activity on the channel

  15:19:51 <dumbguy> agreed

  15:19:55 <vibhav> Because we don't have an active LoCo

  15:20:17 <geekosopher> and how does new operators solve that problem?

  15:20:30 <vibhav> If we were active, we Would have some activity here

  15:21:07 <vibhav> Geeksopher : we cantt leave the channel in a mode similar to the Loco's

  15:21:20 <vibhav> Wiki

  15:21:44 <geekosopher> operators are needed to moderate the discussion on channel

  15:21:49 <ramkr> the only reasoni came to this chat was to help rejuvenate ubuntu-in - i think there are some positives , we need to captalize

  15:22:08 <geekosopher> first let us have an active channel

  15:22:16 <vibhav> Geeksopher : sure!

  15:22:25 <tachyons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam/Meetings/20101217

  15:22:38 <geekosopher> if the existing operators can't keep up, then we can discuss this topic

  15:23:02 <geekosopher> tachyons: what about that?

  15:23:41 <tachyons> logof previous meeeting

  15:23:54 <tachyons> log of*

  15:24:31 <vibhav> Who are the current operators ?

  15:24:31 <geekosopher> tachyons: any particular part you want to highlight in that log?

  15:25:17 <IdleOne> /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-in list

  15:25:25 <IdleOne> will show you the current ops

  15:26:23 <IdleOne> right now ops is the least important thing, like geekosopher said when the time comes there are more ops needed, you can revisit.

  15:26:26 <tachyons> geekosphere : No but we need we need sch log for this meeting

  15:26:30 <tachyons> bye

  15:26:45 <IdleOne> there will be a log at the end of the meeting posted by the bot

  15:26:46 <vibhav> Sure

  15:26:49 <tachyons> nice to meet you all

  15:27:02 <Bigbang> thanks

  15:27:04 <geekosopher> tachyons: you will get a link as soon says vibhav types #endmeeting

  15:27:09 <vibhav> So with that,

  15:27:11 <dumbguy> yep nice to meet you too

  15:27:19 <vibhav> #endmeeting

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