Meeting information
#ubuntu-meeting: Ubuntu LoCo Team 12th February 2018 monthly meeting, 12 Feb at 20:04 — 21:14 UTC
Full logs at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-02-12-20.04.log.html
Meeting summary
Vote: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application (Carried)
Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification
The discussion about "Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification" started at 20:41.
LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/PastActivities goes to 2013
Vote: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. (Carried)
Vote: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws. (Carried)
Vote results
- Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/1)
- Voters kyrofa, Letozaf_, Gsilvapt_, nhaines, kenvandine
- Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/1)
- Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/1/0)
- Voters kyrofa, Gsilvapt_, Letozaf_, kenvandine, nhaines
- Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/1/0)
- Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/0/0)
- Voters kyrofa, Gsilvapt_, Letozaf_, kenvandine, nhaines
- Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/0/0)
- Deadlock (For/Against/Abstained 0/0/0)
Done items
- (none)
People present (lines said)
- meetingology (55)
- Letozaf_ (39)
- kyrofa (34)
- kenvandine (34)
- nhaines (33)
- kokoye2007 (26)
- Gsilvapt_ (23)
- thohi (5)
- krofa (0)
- gsilvapt (0)
Full Log
20:04 <Letozaf_> #startmeeting <Ubuntu Loco Team monthly meeting>
20:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 12 20:04:03 2018 UTC. The chair is Letozaf_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
20:04 <meetingology>
20:04 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
20:05 <Letozaf_> #chair <Letozaf> <krofa> <gsilvapt> <nhaines> <kenvandine>
20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <Letozaf>
20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <krofa>
20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <gsilvapt>
20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <nhaines>
20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <kenvandine>
20:05 <meetingology> Current chairs: <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines> Letozaf_
20:05 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, don't include the brackets
20:05 <Letozaf_> oooh...
20:05 <kyrofa> That syntax indicates a placeholder
20:05 <Letozaf_> lets try again
20:05 <Letozaf_> thanks
20:06 <Letozaf_> #chair Letozaf_ krofa gsilvapt nhaines kenvandine
20:06 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: krofa
20:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines> Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa nhaines
20:06 <Letozaf_> #chair kyrofa
20:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines> Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa kyrofa nhaines
20:06 <nhaines> #unchair <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines>
20:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa kyrofa nhaines
20:06 <Letozaf_> sorry for the mess
20:07 <nhaines> All better.
20:07 <kyrofa> Unchair that krofa fellow and you're good
20:07 <Letozaf_> #unchair krofa
20:07 <meetingology> Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines
20:07 <Letozaf_> is someone missing ?
20:07 <kyrofa> Nope, I think we're good
20:08 <Letozaf_> For the topics, shall I get them from the Wiki ?
20:08 <kyrofa> Indeed, from our agenda
20:09 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification
20:10 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo Team re-verification
20:10 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, ah, one at a time
20:10 <kokoye2007>
20:10 <kyrofa> Once we finish one, change the topic, etc.
20:10 <Letozaf_> I was just wondering that
20:10 <Letozaf_>
20:10 <Letozaf_> let's do it again, ok ?
20:11 <kyrofa> Sure thing
20:11 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification
20:11 <kyrofa> Alright, everyone take a few moments to look over the Myanmar application. Note that the URL is incorrect, including wiki.ubuntu.com too many times
20:11 <kyrofa> Do we have anyone from the Myanmar LoCo here?
20:12 <nhaines> The correct URL is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2017
20:12 <kenvandine> i noticed the wiki page hasn't been updated since november
20:12 <kokoye2007> yes me
20:12 <thohi> yes .
20:12 <kenvandine> hi kokoye2007!
20:12 <kyrofa> Indeed, nothing seems to have changed at all since November
20:12 <kenvandine> and thohi!
20:12 <kenvandine> but we have representatives here this month, woot!
20:12 <kokoye2007> we need update for 2018 3 event
20:12 <kyrofa> Very nice, welcome kokoye2007 and thohi
20:13 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, how about 2017? Did anything happen?
20:14 <kokoye2007> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-mm/events/history/
20:14 <Letozaf_> I see some pictures here : https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm/pool/ about the 17.10 release party
20:14 <kokoye2007> 19 event and still need update
20:15 <nhaines> Lots of activity there. Were those events not important enough to be considered in the verification application?
20:15 <Letozaf_> maybe we didn't see them then
20:16 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, they're _still_ not on the application
20:16 <kenvandine> great turnout for the 17.10 release party
20:16 <kokoye2007> thanks
20:17 <kokoye2007> we make a lot of event and distribution
20:17 <thohi> We make other open source and open data events use with "contributed by Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team".
20:17 <kokoye2007> we never missed release party
20:18 <thohi> Is that also options for good ?
20:19 <thohi> If we put such events , We said in local Ubuntu is everywhere
20:19 <kyrofa> Just to remind everyone about our previous review, here are the relevant minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-63
20:20 <kenvandine> kyrofa, thx
20:21 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: it would be nice to list those events on the re-verification
20:21 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, thohi the questions that are coming up this time are the same: it seems you're active, but your application still looks incomplete, the most recent event being in 2016
20:21 <kokoye2007> wooo
20:21 <kokoye2007> thanks for kindly
20:21 <kokoye2007> we missed this re application meeting
20:22 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, and you put yourselves on the agenda last month as well, with no changes
20:22 <kokoye2007> bcz of timezones and date. apologize. sorry
20:22 <kyrofa> We gave you this time to prepare your application, and I personally see no changes
20:22 <kenvandine> agreed
20:22 <kenvandine> we can see activity though, but it's not being documented on the reverification
20:23 <kokoye2007> yes. it's my bad
20:24 <kokoye2007> try to collect best event and photo. I still open in re application wiki edit
20:24 <kokoye2007> also we make user guide in local language
20:26 <kokoye2007> hello
20:26 <kokoye2007> ubuntumm.sf.net
20:26 <nhaines> kokoye2007: it doesn't look like the reverification application mentions a local language user guide.
20:28 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, that's great
20:28 <kokoye2007> sorry for application updated
20:29 <kokoye2007> bcz missed many event and activities
20:29 <kokoye2007> https://github.com/fossmyanmar/ubuntu-mm-wiki?files=1
20:29 <kokoye2007> it's one of old project. now we printed and share at event
20:29 <kokoye2007> like that we missed on wiki
20:29 <nhaines> That looks very comprehensive, but hasn't been updated in over two years.
20:30 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: it's great to see all that you have done, but I'd still really like to see it all on the application
20:30 <kokoye2007> yes
20:30 <kenvandine> i suggest we vote to approve ubuntu-mm for 1 more month to allow time to include all this awesome stuff on the application
20:31 <kenvandine> shall we vote?
20:31 <Letozaf_> #vote
20:31 <meetingology> Please vote on:
20:31 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:31 <Letozaf_> +1
20:31 <kokoye2007> every reapply and when we apply Ubuntu member application. we need more improve at wiki
20:31 <nhaines> Let's restart the vote.
20:31 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, the vote should have a topic (what are we voting on)
20:31 <kenvandine> hang on... include a description in what we are voting
20:31 <kokoye2007> thanks for your ...
20:32 <Letozaf_> sorry guys
20:32 <nhaines> #undo
20:32 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: LINK
20:32 <nhaines> #endvote
20:32 <meetingology> No vote in progress
20:32 <Letozaf_> #vote for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification
20:32 <meetingology> Please vote on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification
20:32 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:32 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, that's okay! First time is always a bit weird
20:33 <kenvandine> Letozaf_, can we try one more time specifying extension
20:34 <Letozaf_> #vote approve Myanmar LoCo 1 month extension
20:34 <meetingology> Voting still open on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification
20:34 <kyrofa> #undo
20:34 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: LINK
20:34 <kyrofa> #endvote
20:34 <meetingology> Voting ended on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification
20:34 <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
20:34 <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
20:34 <kyrofa> Darn
20:34 <Letozaf_> sorry for the mess
20:35 <kenvandine> no worries
20:35 <nhaines> #vote MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application
20:35 <meetingology> Please vote on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application
20:35 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:35 <kenvandine> +1
20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
20:35 <nhaines> +1
20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
20:35 <Letozaf_> +1
20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
20:35 <Gsilvapt_> +1
20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_
20:35 <kyrofa> -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized
20:35 <meetingology> -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized received from kyrofa
20:36 <Letozaf_> #endvote
20:36 <meetingology> Voting ended on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application
20:36 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
20:36 <meetingology> Motion carried
20:36 <Letozaf_> (fiew)
20:36 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: please update that application including all this great stuff
20:37 <kokoye2007> thanks
20:37 <nhaines> kokoye2007: The application indicates that the LoCo is not active at all and has done nothing in the past year. But we see that this isn't true!
20:37 <kenvandine> and please try to attend the meeting next month
20:37 <nhaines> So we need that to be in the application, because that's what we read a week before the meeting to help us make a decision.
20:37 <kenvandine> we'll vote then for full reverification
20:37 <Letozaf_> it's a pitty that all the work you do is not documented in the Wiki
20:37 <thohi> thanks , I will put other related events.
20:38 <nhaines> Plus, it will be helpful to you and to other LoCos to have that all in one place.
20:40 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification
20:40 <Letozaf_> Anyone from the Switzerland LoCo around?
20:41 <Letozaf_> #topic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification
20:42 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubunut LoCo Team 12th February 2018 Montly meating
20:42 <kyrofa> As a reminder, our previous review of SwissTeam was an extension. Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-320
20:44 <kyrofa> That was the big DRAFT one, heh
20:45 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu LoCo Team 12th February 2018 montly meeting
20:45 <nhaines> In the meantime, they removed "DRAFT" and added a link to one event to plan for an 18.04 release party.
20:46 <kyrofa> Similar to before, I like their Linux Day site, which seems active
20:47 <nhaines> I still don't see any activity on the mailing list, Facebook page, or Flickr.
20:47 <kyrofa> This list of current events on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam#Events_and_other_activities jumps from 2014 to 2018
20:48 <kyrofa> And 2018 events are "in planning"
20:50 <kyrofa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/PastActivities goes to 2013
20:50 <nhaines> I have questions about their activity, but no one is here to answer them. :/
20:51 <nhaines> I think we should move this application to Launchpad and get more information. That way they don't need to be online at the meeting.
20:51 <kenvandine> nhaines, +1
20:51 <Gsilvapt_> Agreed
20:51 <Letozaf_> +1
20:51 <nhaines> #vote Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad.
20:51 <meetingology> Please vote on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad.
20:51 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:52 <kenvandine> +1
20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
20:52 <Letozaf_> +1
20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
20:52 <nhaines> Lets make it official
20:52 <nhaines> +1
20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
20:52 <Gsilvapt_> +1
20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_
20:52 <kyrofa> +1
20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
20:52 <nhaines> #endvote
20:52 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad.
20:52 <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
20:52 <meetingology> Motion carried
20:53 <nhaines> Okay, that should give them a chance to respond. It *looks* like they're up to good things, but we need some more proof.
20:53 <Gsilvapt_> What's next in the agenda? There's something I'd like to ask the council but that can be done in the end
20:54 <Letozaf_> I think that's all with the agenda
20:54 <kyrofa> That should be it
20:54 <nhaines> I think that's all the agenda items.
20:55 <Gsilvapt_> Ok, so I want to ask something that also has to be asked to the Council. I don't know how many of you are aware of the Framework in the European Union about to be approved that can harm free and open source software
20:55 <Gsilvapt_> It's about copyright and such: https://savecodeshare.eu/
20:55 <Gsilvapt_> This covers most of it.
20:56 <Gsilvapt_> The Portuguese local team is considering helping other open and not-for-profit organisation but we are concerned about whether its part of our responsibility or not
20:56 <kyrofa> Whether what, exactly, is part of our responsibility?
20:57 <Gsilvapt_> If on one hand it is related with Ubuntu's core philosophy, we understand if this can be seen as taking a political stand point
20:57 <Gsilvapt_> And, obviously, we don't want to cross our limits as a LoCo 20:57 * kenvandine isn't a lawyer, but i think in general it's good to support such causes
20:57 <nhaines> Ubuntu is comprised of Free and Open Source Software, so raising awareness of issues that impact the FOSS community and thus Ubuntu is definitely in your scope. And it's okay to not take positions on such things, too. That's for every LoCo to decide.
20:58 <kenvandine> spreading awareness is harmless
20:58 <nhaines> Some countries may allow this or disallow this, based on whether the LoCo is registered as a non-profit organization or not, so I think we can leave the decision up to every team.
20:59 <Gsilvapt_> Can we somehow mark it as an official decision? Just for the record
20:59 <kenvandine> oh, there are some loco's that are registered as non-profits?
21:00 <Gsilvapt_> I can still consult the Community Council, as I was expecting doing so anyways, but it would be great to have the LoCo Council's opinion
21:00 <Gsilvapt_> Well, the Portuguese is not @kenvandine
21:00 <nhaines> kenvandine: very popular in Europe as I understand.
21:00 <kenvandine> i was just surprised to hear there are some that are
21:01 <nhaines> Allows them to take donations legally and to qualify for cultural grants and other nice things.
21:01 <kenvandine> true, but lots of paperwork
21:02 <Gsilvapt_> May make it worth it if they use its advantages often
21:02 <kenvandine> that's great
21:02 <Gsilvapt_> s/make/be
21:02 <kenvandine> i just hadn't considered that
21:02 <kenvandine> cool
21:02 <kenvandine> Gsilvapt_, i think our stance has to be that it's up to the individual locos
21:02 <kenvandine> as laws differ, etc
21:02 <Gsilvapt_> Regarding the previous issue, is there a way to record the Council's opinion on the issue I brought up?
21:02 <Gsilvapt_> Either by vote or something else
21:03 <Gsilvapt_> Makes sense @kenvandine
21:07 <nhaines> I'm trying to think of the right way to word that.
21:08 <nhaines> #vote Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws.
21:08 <meetingology> Please vote on: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws.
21:08 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:08 <nhaines> +1
21:08 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
21:09 <kenvandine> +1
21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
21:09 <Gsilvapt_> +1
21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_
21:09 <Letozaf_> +1
21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
21:09 <Gsilvapt_> Thank you everyone
21:11 <kyrofa> +0
21:11 <meetingology> +0 received from kyrofa
21:11 <nhaines> #endvote
21:11 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws.
21:11 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
21:11 <meetingology> Motion carried
21:12 <Gsilvapt_> I guess everything is carried out then
21:12 <nhaines> Gsilvapt_: good luck with that work.
21:12 <Gsilvapt_> Thank you!
21:12 <kenvandine> i think that's everything
21:13 <Gsilvapt_> Should we end it?
21:14 <Letozaf_> #endmeeting
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