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08:00 heno           Hello all :)
08:00 TheMuso        Hey heno.
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08:01 heno           Hi TheMuso. Thanks for organising the aganda and stuff
08:01 heno           and generally holding the fort :)
08:01 dholbach       Hey! :)
08:01 heno           dholbach: ! how was your weekend ? ;)
08:02 dholbach       Thanks heno - had a nice Saturday, with wandering through Berlin and a loooong party in the
                     evening - Sunday just some bits of working and mostly recovering :)
08:02 dholbach       How were your weekend?
08:02 dholbach       weekends :)
08:03 heno           nice thanks, had the place to myself. Did some good design work on TheOpenCD
08:03 heno           (I was reffering to your missed meeting though)
08:03 dholbach       Nice.
08:03 dholbach       Yeah, I thought so. :-)
08:03 heno           It's good to make those contacts though
08:04 dholbach       well, I tried to gather up with the KDE a11y and usability folks (who met in Berlin)
08:04 TheMuso        Nice.
08:04 heno           We've just been in touch with some KDE access people
08:04 heno           all good stuff
08:04 dholbach       after I got there, I tried all the bells and doors, but they didn't hear me on the 4th floor
                     (or wherever they were)
08:04 TheMuso        I have also been talking on and off to Garry in the #kde-accessibility channel recently. He has
                     been following what we are doing with great interest.
08:04 dholbach       so I took my laptop the Ubuntu CDs and everything else to a nice walk through Berlin. .-)
08:05 dholbach       But I'll meet with Ellen soon to catch up with.
08:05 TheMuso        he has said on several occasions that KDE doesn't yet have the same as what GNOME has to offer
                     in terms of accessibility.
08:05 Riddell        heno: just remembered, I've not replied to your e-mail
08:05 dholbach       hey Riddell
08:05 heno           Riddell: np. What do you think?
08:06 Riddell        heno: are you talking about a separate CD or an option on the live or install CD at boot time?
08:06 heno           wil we get some Kubuntu AT love this release? :)
08:06 Riddell        "AT"?
08:06 dholbach       accessibility technology?
08:06 heno           Assistive Technology
08:06 dholbach       oh well
08:06 dholbach       good enough for a non-native speaker ;)
08:07 heno           I ws thinking as boot feature. Do you ship Kmag?
08:07 Riddell        kdeaccessibility is in universe
08:07 heno           ah, ok
08:08 Riddell        but that can be fixed of course
08:08 dholbach       :-D
08:08 TheMuso        heno: We could still offer a derivative.
08:08 TheMuso        Unless kdeaccessibility is promoted in the meantime.
08:08 heno           yep
08:08 heno           ok, so where are we with the current game plan?
08:08 TheMuso        Riddell: The kubuntu live CD uses the same overall infrastructure as the Ubuntu one right?
08:09 TheMuso        Have you looked at the agenda?
08:09 TheMuso        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda
08:09 heno           yep, point 1
08:09 heno           access profiles
08:09 Riddell        TheMuso: yes
08:09 heno           well done on getting those sorted, thanks :)
08:10 heno           about the magnification, 8x sounds huge
08:10 heno           but I'm no expert on that
                     Well it actually wouldn't be too difficult to set up kubuntu profiles for accessibility from
08:10 TheMuso        the same casper script if there was a way to identify what CD we are using, and once I knew how
                     to modify/set KDE configuration files.
08:10 heno           don't you end up scrolling sideways alot?
08:11 TheMuso        I really wish others were here to give their opinion, as I haven't as yet received any email.
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08:11 dholbach       yeah
08:11 TheMuso        No, nothing.
08:11 heno           So we just make a decision and go with it I think
08:11 TheMuso        Yeah.
08:12 heno           That small detail can be changed after feedback
08:12 dholbach       TheMuso: casper uses the packages on livecd file system - so from there it should be easy to
                     judge wether we're in ubuntu or kubuntu land
08:12 heno           I would vote for 4x ...
08:12 TheMuso        dholbach: Very true. Check for kubuntu-desktop for example.
08:12 dholbach       TheMuso: or we can test for binaries we need
08:12 TheMuso        heno: Ok will make a note of it.
08:12 heno           The placement worries me more though. It seems to assume a certain screen rez
08:12 dholbach       i have unfortunately not much of an opinion on the default settings
08:13 TheMuso        I don't know how else we can work that
08:13 heno           how would that work on a smaller screen?
08:13 TheMuso        As the default placement IMO is crazy.
08:13 heno           I guess you would still get something
08:13 heno           agreed
08:13 TheMuso        Yeah.
08:13 dholbach       we could ask on the gnome a11y list
08:13 heno           A larger screen should be no problem, just less optimal
08:13 heno           dholbach: good idea
08:14 dholbach       although i'm not entirely convinced they ship the best they can think of as a default already
08:14 TheMuso        dholbach: Yeah, as we will be patching these gconf settings into the package anyway.
08:14 TheMuso        dholbach: Neither do I.
08:14 heno           I still need to thank them all for the detailed replies
08:14 dholbach       TheMuso: yeah, if we have better defaults no need to change casper - we can change that in the
                     packages directly
08:14 dholbach       heno: yeah, that was great
08:15 TheMuso        dholbach: Yeah. The only thing the script for casper should do is turn on or off the ke
                     settings that make things available or not when GNOME starts.
08:15 heno           OK, so we'll just pick the position setting in your mail and call that settled ?
08:15 TheMuso        Yep. We still have time to test so we can hopefully get feedback.
08:15 dholbach       yes
08:15 heno           ok, point 2?
08:16 heno           I guess that's an upstream bug really
08:16 TheMuso        hmmm
08:16 dholbach       *nod*
08:16 heno           they need to get used to the idea of fixing that
08:16 dholbach       at least we could ask for pointers
08:16 dholbach       :)))
08:16 TheMuso        No pun intended right? :)
08:16 heno           I still havent 100% understood the problem
08:16 TheMuso        Me neither.
08:17 TheMuso        Something to do with gok getting more direct hardware access to the mouse.
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08:17 heno           Gok just needs more testing and exposure generally which we will hopefully provide
08:17 TheMuso        Yeah.
08:18 heno           Has anyone else experienced my panel crashing bug?
08:18 heno           I've asked other random people to test on dapper
08:18 TheMuso        heno: I will be totally honest and say that I haven't played with GOK AT ALL>
08:18 TheMuso        LATELY
08:18 heno           but so far it works for everyone else
08:19 dholbach       i guess that was the at-spi / gail changes that made it work again
08:19 heno           it's a quick test: just install and start somethinmg from the gnome panel while gok is running
08:19 TheMuso        Righto.
08:19 heno           if nothing crashes you're ok
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08:20 heno           I've not tested it today after the latest updates
08:20 heno           anyway, it doesn't look like a showstopper for us
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08:21 dholbach       i seem safe
08:21 heno           works for most and doesn't get in anyones way
08:21 TheMuso        ok
08:22 TheMuso        Nice to see GNOME is killing its processes properly now. :)
08:23 sorush20       so what are you guys trying to make more accessible?
08:23 heno           So I guess the conclusion on GOK is that it works acceptibly now
08:23 dholbach       sorush20: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda is our agenda
08:23 TheMuso        So if it is just a matter of running something from the panel while GOK is running, there seems
                     to be no problem. I haven't updated today either.
08:24 dholbach       sorush20: we're discussing point 2 atm
08:24 heno           and if we have time, enenergy and brains to make it better for dapper we will
08:24 heno           but it can go in as it is
08:24 TheMuso        Yeah.
08:25 heno           Cool. I might be I have funky hardware or that a reinstall would fix it
08:25 heno           I'll try it on the Live CD too when it turns up there
08:25 heno           Great! point 3?
08:26 heno           Is there somewhere we can see the packages currently on the live cd?
08:26 heno           germinate something or other?
08:26 TheMuso        heno: Yes there is. Give me a sec.
08:26 ogra           heno, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/live
08:27 ogra           and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/desktop
08:27 heno           ogra: thanks. and hello :)
08:27 TheMuso        Thanks ogra.
08:27 ogra           (live contains desktop)
08:27 heno           ogra: are you absorbing all these cool new AT features into Edubuntu?
08:28 ogra           not yet
08:28 ogra           i have massive space probs
08:28 TheMuso        So it seems that the packages we need are not there yet.
08:28 dholbach       we really need to know how much all these packages will take
08:28 heno           ah, ok
08:28 ogra           (cat include the example content)
08:28 TheMuso        I found the same when checking one of the dalies the other day.
08:28 heno           dholbach: yeah, I'm still in the dark on that
08:28 ogra           *cant
08:29 heno           ogra: hm, shame
08:29 ogra           yup
08:29 dholbach       ogra: it's just 8,7M :)
08:29 heno           ogra: are you carrying the winfoss?
08:29 heno           that will shrink this time
08:29 ogra           dholbach, i dont even have 1M free
08:29 ogra           heno, nope
08:29 ogra           only edubuntu
08:29 dholbach       ogra: throw away openoffice and add the accessibility stuff
08:30 heno           I'm making some unilateral cuts :)
08:30 ogra           and as long as we ship kdeedu we wont have space
08:30 heno           makes sense
08:30 ogra           dholbach, nope, i'll replace the kde stuff in dapper+1
08:30 heno           replace OOo with koffice?
08:30 sorush20       I can't even start gok
08:31 heno           sorush20: have you installed at-spi and restarted the X session?
08:31 heno           sorush20: try starting it from the command line
08:31 heno           see if you get any errors there
08:32 sorush20       heno: shouldn't that be part of the dependency that needes to be installed.. I get the error
                     that can't find registery..
08:32 heno           sorush20: it should yes
08:32 dholbach       sorush20: could you file a bug about that and include which version of ubuntu you use?
08:32 sorush20       its running now thanks.. but at-spi sould be installed with it..
08:33 sorush20       oka
08:33 dholbach       thanks
08:33 heno           brb
08:33 TheMuso        I will see if I can chace up the total size of packages needing to be installed.
08:33 dholbach       that'd make it easier to start a disciussion
08:34 sorush20       what packages are you guys talking about ... and will there be a gui fo me to just check box
                     the assistive stuff or will there be a blue screen?
08:35 TheMuso        Good old speakup. Managed to cause a bit of a kernel oops of some sort when trying to press
                     several keys at once or close to each other.
08:35 TheMuso        An now on another machine while I wait for that box to reboot. :)
08:36 sorush20       brrb
08:36 heno           sorush20: a black screen actually:
                     http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/screenshots/dapper/flight4/gfxboot-big.png
08:37 heno           and
                     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreatFeaturesOfUbuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=AT-boot-menu.png
08:37 sorush20       heno: so it hasn't changed.. that is bad... there should be something similar to xp
                     installation where you can select extra stuff like a gui..
08:38 heno           sorush20: actually our solution is better than the XP one
08:39 heno           youb select this technology at the very first screen and off you go
08:39 dholbach       it does the right thing for you
08:40 heno           I've seen some shots of the vista installer though and that's looking strong on this
08:40 heno           so they're catching up :)
08:40 heno           dholbach: the Live boot
08:40 TheMuso        heno: It won't be accessible AFAIK.
                     I guess you have a point.. although I think you would agree that it would be better if there
08:40 sorush20       were some icons.. like a disabled wheel chair.. stuff. like that to make it more visually
                     enhanced..
08:40 heno           I tried a live CD a few days ago, but I got no boiot at all then
08:40 TheMuso        No good for us people with vision impairements.
08:41 TheMuso        heno: I don't even think my casper stuff is on the live CD yet.
08:41 heno           Ah, the wheelchair picture is therrible! :)
08:41 TheMuso        Mithrandir only merged it a couple of days ago
08:41 sorush20       TheMuso: you have a big point there..
08:41 heno           I need to email the icon designer and make sure we don't get that :)
08:41 Mithrandir     TheMuso: it could be on tomorrows if you want.
08:42 heno           Mithrandir: yes please :)
08:42 TheMuso        Mithrandir: No point in doing so until we have the necessary packages.
08:42 TheMuso        on the live CD.
08:42 TheMuso        Which is the point we are still discussing.
08:42 TheMuso        I am trying to work out here just how much space they would take up, so bare with me guys
08:43 heno           so what is the right process for that?
08:43 heno           thanks
                     We need to finalize what speech approach we are going to take, and if we have to use flite due
08:43 TheMuso        to space constraints, there is no choice but to use speech-dispatcher. Yeah the driver is
                     young, but we have no choice.
08:44 heno           sorush20: here is a description of how it will work:
                     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/Accessibility
08:45 heno           the irony is that it doesn't seem to take that much less space
08:45 sorush20       how are you guys going to do documentation for blind people?
08:45 heno           I'm hoping to push the new slimmer WinFOSS package out Sunday-ish, which should clear up a ton
                     of space
08:45 sorush20       talking about the interface between brail writer and linux?
08:45 Riddell        heno: what will (or not) be in that?
08:46 heno           Then the plan is to just grab it again ;)
08:46 heno           Riddell: I'll remove OpenOffice and see if people cry
08:46 Riddell        that should free some space :)
08:46 heno           the mailing lists seemed to agree on that
08:47 heno           but I'll add some stuff
08:47 Riddell        heno: will you do the same for the kubuntu winfoss?
08:47 heno           of course some wanten no winfoss at all
08:47 TheMuso        Ok. The debs themselves are about 10.6MB. When installed, 40.5MB will be used on disk.
08:47 heno           Riddell: didn't we already skip OO on kubuntu?
08:47 TheMuso        Give or take a few meg.
08:48 heno           TheMuso: that's not too bad
08:48 Riddell        heno: don't think so, can't actually remember now
08:48 heno           Riddell: btw, I have anew layout now which IMHO is look sweet :)
08:48 heno           http://www.theopencd.org/LayoutIdeas
08:48 heno           (sorry OT)
08:48 TheMuso        heno: Thats not entirely accurate, as I am trying to work this out on a dapper chroot atm. That
                     is with flite though.
08:49 TheMuso        But as close as I can get it.
08:49 heno           ah, ok
08:49 heno           I'd be very interested to see Festival too
08:49 TheMuso        Hang on.
08:50 TheMuso        Festival on its own is about 16.1MB.
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08:52 heno           So we might land on about 22 as the Sun-gnome guys suggested
08:52 dholbach       which packages? installed size?
08:52 heno           that would be ok
08:52 heno           deb size I guess
08:52 TheMuso        We are concerned with the installed size as debs aren't used on the Live CD.
08:53 heno           True, but I guess they give an idea of how well it compresses
08:53 TheMuso        Yeah thats true.
08:54 TheMuso        SHould have a deacent figure for you in a sec for gnome-speech with festival.
08:54 heno           cool
08:55 heno           enrico: did you ever get openoffice or firefox to talk to you in Italian?
08:55 heno           I was reading about your efforts on planet debian I think
08:55 TheMuso        There is only 3MB difference between flite and festival it seems.
08:56 dholbach       hrm
08:56 heno           right, so the choice seems obvious. perhaps flite is bundled with too much stuff?
08:56 TheMuso        Festival packages compress down to about 5948KB from 16MB or so.
08:57 TheMuso        I don't know.
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08:57 TheMuso        Festival would actually be a safer route, as it is an already tested gnome-speech setup
08:57 heno           I think we should lobby for Festival then
08:57 heno           yep
08:57 TheMuso        Mind you that doesn't include any other voices for other languages.
08:57 enrico         heno: haven't done that try yet
08:58 heno           how big is GOK by comparison?
08:58 enrico         heno: but I should be about to get a small working plan approved (and paid)
08:58 TheMuso        heno: Well in that case, we also need to get libgnome-speech3, gnopernicus, libatspi1.0-0,
                     at-spi and gok onto the CD.
08:58 heno           enrico: really, to work on accessibility stuff? cool!
08:58 dholbach       what about gnome-mag?
08:58 TheMuso        and gnome-mag
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08:59 TheMuso        BUt that will come in time. :)
08:59 heno           what do you mean 'in that case'? Festival route?
08:59 dholbach       how much would that weigh in?
09:00 heno           TheMuso: definately! you are getting a proven track record as an expert :)
09:00 TheMuso        heno: Gnome-speech with festival has been used dand tested extensively. It is a proven speech
                     setup.
09:00 enrico         heno: nothing signed yet, fingers crossed, lots of final work to do in the next few days
09:01 enrico         TheMuso: we're talking not many hours so far, unfortunately.  But the good thing is that we are
                     talking for a small pilot project to see how we get alng
09:01 TheMuso        dholbach: about 37.9MB. It was bigger before for flite due to other gnome libraries having to
                     be installed.
09:01 TheMuso        So flite would probably be 34 or so.
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09:01 heno           TheMuso: is that the total with gok and everything?
09:02 dholbach       + the speech-dispatcher dependencies
09:02 TheMuso        heno: Yes.
09:02 TheMuso        dholbach: That is not including speech-dispatcher or flite.
09:02 heno           which we don't need with Festival
09:02 dholbach       dotconf and speech-tool
09:02 dholbach       dotconf and speech-tools
09:02 TheMuso        They only get included with flite.
09:02 dholbach       phew
09:03 dholbach       yeah
09:03 heno           TheMuso: OK, cool. It's good to have an approximate number number
09:03 TheMuso        So as much as flite is smaller, I reckon we push for festival.
09:03 TheMuso        festival is in main anyway.
09:03 heno           I'll email the people who decide and ask nicely
09:04 TheMuso        But for future relesaes, if the speech-dispatcher driver gets better, I would like to pursue
                     that route for speech.
09:04 TheMuso        heno: Thanks.
09:04 heno           And Festival sounds soooo much better IMO
09:04 TheMuso        Once we have the packages on the CD, we can then get the casper stuff done and start testing.
09:05 TheMuso        Festival in the future allows for further language expansion should we need it.
09:05 heno           TheMuso, dholbach: could one of you end me a list of the package names
09:05 heno           ? for my email
09:05 TheMuso        I have your address. Sending now.
09:06 heno           thanks
                     TheMuso: note that festival might not be the synthesis of choice for some languages.  For
09:06 enrico         example, while festival is a decent synthesis for Italian, there's a proprietary synthesis
                     called 'Eloquence', for Linux, which is light years better
09:08 TheMuso        Sent.
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09:08 sorush20       is the meeting finished.?
09:08 TheMuso        enrico: I know, but that is proprietary. We can't ship that.
09:08 TheMuso        sorush20: We still have another point to discuss.
09:09 enrico         TheMuso: sure
09:09 heno           got it thanks
09:09 heno           So point 4: the todo list needs cleaning up
09:09 heno           Which is good news
09:09 enrico         TheMuso: I just wanted to point out that I wish festival shouldn't be too hardcoded into things
09:10 dholbach       yeah :-))))
09:10 heno           perhaps we should split it into a dapper and a deferred section
09:10 TheMuso        enrico: It isn't. However I don't see how that synth would work. Can you point me to some info
                     about it?
09:10 TheMuso        heno: SOunds good.
09:11 heno           enrico: we should even consider making a derivative at some point where some priprietary stuff
                     could in theory go in
09:11 TheMuso        heno: Or at least packages to help one install proprietary stuff.
09:11 heno           right
09:11 TheMuso        As there are a few synths that gnome-speech supports that are proprietary, and I have access to
                     them, i.e bought copies for testing.
09:12 TheMuso        And on my laptop, I use one of them on a daily basis
09:12 heno           One point on the todo list that we might want to bring up is documentation
09:13 TheMuso        I am not good at docs. :)
09:13 heno           that was doing really well but seems to have stalled
09:13 enrico         TheMuso: should be around http://www.speechworks.com/demos/eti.cfm but I can't get to it now
09:13 TheMuso        I think Jason is busy with life stuff.
09:13 heno           I think Jaso got really busy
09:13 enrico         TheMuso: more info will come when I'll actually lay my hands on it
09:13 enrico         heno: for Italian, that'd be something I'd do
09:13 enrico         heno: (I mean, the derivative)
09:14 TheMuso        I get a download question. Won't let me view it as it should.
09:14 heno           enrico: cool
09:14 enrico         TheMuso: :(  I get a white page and a 1x1 pixel popup
09:15 heno           I've spoken with mdke on the doc team and they arehappy to include it if we have something
                     ready
09:15 TheMuso        enrico: Worked out why, and I know eactly the synth you are talking about, as it is used in
                     JAWS for Windows, and many mobile applications.
09:15 heno           it would go in yelp
09:15 dholbach       brb
09:15 TheMuso        Eloquence is a well known synth in the blind community.
09:16 TheMuso        THey changed name to Nuance COmmunications.
09:16 TheMuso        Or something like that.
                     TheMuso: there'd even be a 'Loquendo' for Italian which should be even better, but it has no
09:16 enrico         Linux binaries as I know of.  Although I could have extreme plans of running it as a TCP
                     service in a Window virtual machine inside a vmware player and making it speak from Linux :)
09:16 enrico         (kind of like my old dosgate hack)
09:17 TheMuso        Go to www.nuance.com for more info.
09:17 enrico         But please, don't make me digress on proprietary software.  That's a stinky bit that shouldn't
                     be particularly supported by this group.
09:18 TheMuso        I know.
09:18 TheMuso        I am all for free software, but proprietary synths are so much better.
09:18 TheMuso        But that is another story.
09:19 heno           Right, so we are at the end of the agenda I think
09:19 heno           any other items?
09:19 TheMuso        Not from me atm.
09:20 TheMuso        dholbach: I should have a patch for gnopernicus with gconf settings later today.
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09:20 enrico         about self
09:20 dholbach       TheMuso: that'd be great
09:20 enrico         If all goes well I'm about to sign a small contract (100 hours for 2006) with a local high-tech
                     center for the blind
09:20 dholbach       TheMuso: we'll have a status update meeting at 2:00 utc, so i'll be awake for quite a while
09:21 TheMuso        Ok.
09:21 TheMuso        It shouldn't take all that long.
09:21 enrico         they have skilled people (but not on Linux) and a big archive of accessibility hardware
09:21 TheMuso        Then I can remove those changes from the casper script and push them through.
09:21 enrico         the idea is to try to start looking at accessibility of free software, and atm that means
                     Ubuntu
09:21 TheMuso        Yeah.
09:22 heno           enrico: cool. Look forward to working with you on that :)
09:22 enrico         plans go along the line of "first get to do it.  Then document it.  Then improve it."
09:22 heno           sounds like a good plan
09:22 enrico         I look forward to working with you all on that
09:22 enrico         and of course I hope the project goes well and it can be continued
09:22 dholbach       cool :)
09:23 enrico         documentation will be mainly in Italian, or centered at having an Italian speaking desktop
09:23 TheMuso        It would be nice to get some of the team at least at the next conference.
09:23 enrico         I could do translation of it, though
09:24 heno           TheMuso: dholbach and I will certainly be there
=== TheMuso is going to try and get sponsored to get there.
09:24 dholbach       wooo! :)
09:24 enrico         Ubuntu confs are fun
09:24 TheMuso        Or seek other funding to help.
09:25 heno           TheMuso: cool! We'll support you :)
09:25 TheMuso        Cool, thanks guys. Even if sponsorship doesn't happen, there are other sources of funding I can
                     certainly look at, which may help me get there anyway.
09:27 heno           OK, I will go write some emails. Thanks guys. Good meeting!
09:27 enrico         heno: thanks for telling me of the meeting.  I was in need of a pretext to tell everyone what I
                     should going to be up to :)
09:27 heno           heh
09:27 TheMuso        heno: Thanks again.
09:28 dholbach       thanks guys for all the good work you did :)
09:29 TheMuso        No problem.
09:29 heno           yep, we've got a good little core team going now :)
09:29 Riddell        who's the best person to talk to about live cd accessibility profile for kubuntu?
09:30 heno           depends on what aspect, probably TheMuso or Mithrandir or Kamion
09:30 heno           or yourself :)
09:30 Riddell        just need to find out how it's done so we can do the equivalent thing
09:31 TheMuso        Riddell: FOr the GNOME accessibility settings, we are directly setting stuff in gconf.
09:31 dholbach       Riddell: one part of it is in casper's casper-bottom/30accessibility
09:33 TheMuso        The other part will be in the packages we ship on the CD.
09:33 TheMuso        i.e gnopernicus will have the settings we want patched into it.
09:34 TheMuso        So what you see in the casper script is going to change quite a lot in the next day or so.
09:35 Riddell        where can I find that script?
09:36 TheMuso        Ok guys, I'm outa here. Ping me in #ubuntu-accessibility or query me if you need anything.
09:36 TheMuso        If you are using bzr, pull a branch from Mithrandir's casper trunk.
09:36 Riddell        TheMuso: thanks
09:36 TheMuso        I can get the address for you if you like.