DapperDev_2006-01-26
09:01 JaneW mvo, dholbach & iwj have sent appologies
09:01 JaneW and Kamion may need to be excused
09:01 JaneW Riddell: yes sorry I missed that ;)
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09:01 JaneW shout next time ;)
09:01 Keybuk btw, what are we doing for the meeting next week?
09:01 Mithrandir HELLO, JANE
09:01 JaneW is daniels expected or not?
09:01 Kamion Keybuk: 10am
09:01 mdz Keybuk: we'll all sit on IRC of course
09:02 JaneW HELLO TOLLEF
09:02 Mithrandir :-)
09:02 Keybuk Kamion: aww, I was quite looking forwards to doing it at 2am after
clubbing ;)
09:02 mdz ok, let's get started
09:02 mdz BenC: you're up
09:02 infinity JaneW: Seems unlikely.
09:02 JaneW Keybuk: pah
09:02 BenC community-server-hardware-testing: General support is in place.
Announcement to start community testing will go out today or tomorrow.
09:02 BenC Kernel status: Currently working on regressions in snd-powermac. Going
back through bug reports to work on regressions from breezy.
09:03 Keybuk JaneW: I was especially looking forward to how you'd cope with it :p
BenC: if you need extra hands dealing with the community interaction for
09:03 mdz server testing, I'm sure fabbione as server team lead will be happy to
oblige
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09:03 BenC mdz: ok
09:03 fabbione mdz: did i say that while i was drunk?
09:03 JaneW :P......*
09:03 BenC hehe
09:03 mdz fabbione: I paid helen back for you
09:04 mdz BenC: thanks
09:04 fabbione mdz: ok thanks.
09:04 mdz JaneW: dholbach?
09:04 Keybuk he "walking the dog" again? ;)
09:04 JaneW I have that hang on
09:04 JaneW dholbach: this week (done): bug triage, updates, motu organisation
09:04 JaneW this week (todo): getting ekiga, bug triage, apt-get.org reviews
09:04 JaneW next week: gnome 2.13.90, bug triage, apt-get.org reviews
09:05 JaneW he is at a trade show
09:05 mdz ok
09:05 mdz doko: next
09:05 ogra presenting edubuntu *g* :)
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09:05 doko mdz: can we have a short rount at the end about who brings which hardware
to the meeting?
09:05 mdz doko: sure
09:05 JaneW ogra: yay
09:05 doko this week:
- openoffice.org: ongoing merging with Debian unstable, setup baz archive
09:06 doko for the debian/ parts, starting test builds to identify bugs present in
Ubuntu but not in other distros.
09:06 doko - python-roadmap: python-central update, discussions/coordination with
debian-python
09:06 doko - other: syncs/merges, updates to new upstream versions, make mozilla
09:06 doko - java-roadmap: make mozilla-dev usable again, eclipse updates (works on
i386, problems on amd64)
09:06 doko next week:
09:06 doko - distro sprint
09:06 mdz in fact, if everyone would include their sprint ideas with their updates,
that would be great
09:06 mdz doko: anything in particular you will be working on during the sprint?
09:06 mdz BenC: same question
09:06 doko sprint ideas:
09:06 doko == Transitions ==
09:06 doko * Drop Python2.3, convert packages in main to use
python-central/python-support (MatthiasKlose)
09:06 doko == Discussions ==
09:06 doko * How to dump^Wdemote package from main to the MOTUs?
09:06 doko * Planning work for dapper+1-toolchain. Is it still needed/appropriate? Or
just let it happen as in the past?
09:06 doko * ISDN testing (MichaelVogt, MatthiasKlose)
09:07 mdz cool
09:07 BenC mdz: nothing in particular
09:07 doko I'd like to have some feedback about the python packaging
09:07 doko at the sprint ...
09:07 mdz doko: thanks
09:07 mdz fabbione?
09:08 infinity doko : I may have some things to say about it. I haven't been following
the debian-ptython stuff recently, though.
09:08 fabbione * server-candy: no progress. Added -server activities to
DistroSprint2006Ideas
09:08 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: no progress.
09:08 fabbione * boot-from-usb: implemented.
09:08 fabbione * last week: Holidays.
09:08 fabbione * this week: catch up from hell with emails and other activities. Started
apache-mini-sprint today.
09:08 fabbione * next week: distro sprint: server candy work.
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09:09 mdz fabbione: thanks
09:09 mdz infinity?
09:09 fabbione mdz: welcome
last week: was on VAC all last week except for today; no spec progress
09:09 infinity (obviously), and good progress on Apache 2.2 today at the Apache
minisprint.
09:09 infinity next week: more apache mini-sprint, then distro sprint.
09:09 infinity sprint ideas: I'd like to clear up any major library transitions we need
done, while I have people there to bug about FTBFS issues and such.
09:10 mdz cool, thanks
09:10 mdz JaneW: ian?
09:10 JaneW iwj sent me load of stuff ito updates... let me know when to stop ;)
09:10 JaneW Tasks and work progress:
AutomatedTesting: initial package uploaded to Debian and Ubuntu,
autodebtest 0.5.1, awaiting NEW processing in both. Announcement not yet
written; I'll do that when it's in at least one of the archives
09:10 JaneW (announcement(s) will go to u-devel and d-devel at least). Next steps:
wire piuparts into it (some design required); talk to soyuz and sysadmin
people about what shape interface they want for automatic testing of
uploads; write m
09:10 JaneW ore per-package tests.
Firefox: persistent but not consistent reports of crashes. I suspect the
09:10 JaneW Flash plugin. There are definite problems with the hack for Flash sound
support, which I plan to disable. See
https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/29760.
09:10 JaneW DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked.
09:10 JaneW Email backlog: caught up (yay)
09:10 JaneW Things to do at the sprint:
* I would like anyone with a firefox bug to please demo it front of me. I
09:10 JaneW want to spend much of the week trying to track as many of these down as
possible.
* AutomatedTesting discussions with sysadmin/soyuz people, to result in
09:10 JaneW agreed interface shape and/or tasks. See above. Will elmo be at the sprint
?
09:10 JaneW * There are some systematic problems with the LP UI (for example, the
09:10 JaneW 3-column layout is one of my pet peeves). To appropriately drive
09:10 JaneW change on these issues, we (the distro team) need to 1. discuss
09:10 JaneW amongst ourselves what our opinions are and 2. come to some
09:10 JaneW conclusions that have strong and broad support in the distro team.
09:10 JaneW This will clarify discussions with LP designers and help us to drive
09:10 JaneW good changes (even if they can't be implemented right away).
09:10 JaneW It will also allow us to identify criticisms that are not widely
09:10 JaneW shared so that those people can know they're not going to win the
09:10 JaneW argument and can stop arguing. I would suggest the following
09:11 JaneW structure: 1. plenary meeting (1h) to brainstorm opinions/
09:11 JaneW criticisms/ideas and nominate champions for particular points of view
09:11 JaneW (with lists of rough supporters for champions to talk to);
09:11 JaneW 2. refinement by champions offline and with informal discussions;
09:11 JaneW 3. plenary meeting where champions present opinions and meeting
09:11 JaneW decides (by show of hands if necessary) which opinions have consensus.
09:11 JaneW (Note that I envisage that some champions' positions will be
09:11 JaneW indepedent of each other, but others might be contradictory.) This
09:11 JaneW will take about 3h for each distro team member, which I hope is not
09:11 JaneW too much and I think it will help clear the air.
09:11 JaneW 4. consensus views documented by champions passed to LP development
09:11 mdz I don't think it'll be necessary to wire testing into uploads; we can just
periodically test the archive
09:11 JaneW team (eg as bug reports).
09:11 JaneW ok the last line...
09:11 JaneW Probably, you don't want to paste all of that into the meeting :-).
09:11 JaneW So as a summary:
09:11 Kamion heh, bit late
09:11 JaneW * IWJ would like to come to closure, and rough consensus, on disputed LP
UI issues - at least within the distro team.
09:11 JaneW :)
09:11 pitti mdz: hm, rejecting uploads on regressions would be sexy, though
he does realise that we did all this at UBZ, especially jbailey and I, and
09:11 Keybuk we managed to get just one slight change to the UI out of all of our work?
:)
09:12 Kamion (worth noting that bradb has got approval for a 2-column layout for some
of the bug pages)
09:12 mdz yes, elmo will be at the sprint
09:12 mdz Kamion: !
09:12 Keybuk Kamion: "one" of the bug pages :) but yes, \o/
09:12 Kamion mdz: should be in either #ubuntu-devel or #canonical archives for today, I
forget which
09:12 Kamion I think it was the bug contact index
09:13 mdz JaneW: I don't want to argue launchpad UI issues at the sprint; LP won't
be represented there
09:13 ogra for the overview and search output page
09:13 JaneW mdz: ok, I'll gag him
09:13 mdz it would just be us complaining
09:13 ogra http://flickr.com/photos/84096161@N00/91073757/
09:13 mdz I've received email with Malone issues from some of you, but not all
=== Kamion notes autodebtest being accepted into dapper
09:13 ogra 2 column layout ^^
09:14 mdz those of you who didn't send mail don't get to complain about Malone :-)
09:14 mdz JaneW: thanks
09:14 jbailey mdz: The rest of us are just filing bugs instead. ;)
09:14 mdz jbailey: I do want to be in the loop regarding what's most hurting you
09:14 jbailey mdz: 'k
09:14 mdz I will chase those down with LP mgmt personally
09:14 mdz a list of 3 bug numbers is sufficient
09:15 jbailey Cool.
09:15 mdz jbailey: anything to report status-wise?
* Toolchainroadmap - I'd like to peel off the timezone data from glibc and
put them into the langpacks. It's not an ideal fit, but timezone data is
09:15 jbailey updated a number of times (6 to 10) a year. Have already had one request
to update Breezy. Spoke with pitti, it seems good. Will figure out what
this means and email to mdz for an okay.
09:15 jbailey == Sprint Ideas ==
09:15 jbailey * Roundtable discussion of dropping pre-i686 from main Ubuntu port. A
side effect of this is probably a discussion on buntu.
09:15 jbailey * Group session to understand how langpack updates work, and how I should
work with pitti (and others?) to get updates in.
09:15 jbailey * Jam session. Bring instruments. =)
09:15 jbailey
09:15 JaneW jbailey: we making jam? 8)
09:15 Keybuk mdz: I've tended to just talk to bradb directly ;)
09:16 pitti jbailey: s/langpacks/locales package/ I assume?
09:16 jbailey pitti: Yes, sorry.
09:16 mdz jbailey: cool, thanks
09:16 mdz JaneW: anything from jdub?
09:16 JaneW nope, not a word
09:17 mdz Kamion: next
09:17 Kamion cd-bootloader: Implemented keymap selection. Only localised help is left
here.
ubuntu-express-bootloader: Implemented espresso-grub. (This just needs
09:17 Kamion espresso-yaboot now and then it'll be done, and I think that's fairly
easy.)
ue-partitioning-tool: Made formatting and mounting be done using partman
09:17 Kamion too, which eliminates some duplication and some outright wrong and
dangerous code. UI still slow and clunky though; I have plans for this,
probably to be discussed and played with at the sprint.
09:17 Kamion ubuntu-express: Would have uploaded an initial working-for-me version
today but for my disk problems. I'll do it tomorrow.
09:17 Kamion misc: Low-memory installation support improved (successful 32MB
installation on i386).
sprint-plans: Get somebody else up to speed on roughly how Espresso works
09:17 Kamion so that they can help me, and work on UI and performance. Live CD on USB
sticks, maybe? Localised help in the new CD boot loader?
09:18 mdz Kamion: please send something to ubuntu-devel when your WFM version is in
dapper
09:18 mdz Kamion: thanks
09:18 Kamion will do
09:18 mdz Keybuk?
09:18 Keybuk streamlined-boot: going well, various tweaks remaining but nothing earth
shattering
09:18 Keybuk network-magic: networking hotplugs again, known bugs: no /etc/resolv.conf
and no ifrename
09:18 Keybuk sprint: madwifi-ng and network-manager testing, make alsa udev-froody,
vmware testing and pretty much stealing hardware from people to test
09:18 Kamion probably once I've got a live CD image with it on
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09:18 mdz Keybuk: we should perhaps have a chat about this mount --move /var
business ;-)
09:18 Keybuk mdz: oh?
09:19 mdz Keybuk: you should have heard the noise elmo made
09:19 Keybuk it only does it quickly ;)
09:19 mdz LOOK OVER THERE shuffleshuffle NOTHING TO SEE HERE
09:19 Keybuk pretty much, yes
09:19 mdz ok
09:19 mdz thanks
09:19 JaneW mdz: I have mailed sivang, lathiat and krstic for updates, no reponse,
yet.
09:19 mdz Mithrandir?
09:19 Keybuk but yes, that's still looking for a better solution, don't worry :)
09:19 Mithrandir ooo-amd64: no progress
09:19 Mithrandir live-cd-performance: waiting for scott to do readahead magic, no progress
on lzma
09:20 Mithrandir simplified-livecd: almost there, merged the espresso hooks from Colin,
keymapper not there yet, waiting for some code from daniels
09:20 Mithrandir probe-for-root-fs: no progress
09:20 Mithrandir blocked on: live-cd-performance is semi-blocked on Scott, still no access
to popcon.ubuntu.com
09:20 Mithrandir next week: apache sprint, distro sprint
09:20 Keybuk oh, sprint+=readahead with mithrandir :)
09:20 Mithrandir sprint stuff: get up to speed on u-e, get my specs done.
09:20 JaneW mdz: will mail mjg59 too if he is not here
09:20 mdz I think mjg59 has been swallowed by his Ph.D
09:20 JaneW what of his goal?
09:20 ogra power manager
09:20 mdz please try to find out if we need to hand some of his work off to others
09:20 JaneW power-management-config
09:21 ogra is fine and working, all bits from mjg are in place so far
09:21 JaneW ogra: what more is required
09:21 ogra we ysould promote it to main
09:21 Mithrandir good that mjg59 isn't missing any parts.
09:21 mdz Mithrandir: ok, thanks
09:21 Kamion I need to go NOW, sorry
09:21 mdz JaneW: mvo?
09:21 mdz Kamion: understood
09:21 JaneW mvo: Dev-Meeting 2006-01-26
09:21 ogra Mithrandir, heh
09:21 JaneW Did:
09:21 JaneW * dist-upgrade tool:
09:21 JaneW - got/answered lots of feedback
09:21 JaneW - fixed lots of bugs
09:21 JaneW - auto-retry on network failures
09:21 JaneW - fixed kubuntu-desktop upgrade
09:21 JaneW - improved logging a lot
09:21 JaneW - has forced obsoletes now (for e.g. xscreensaver)
09:21 JaneW - i18n works
09:21 JaneW - big problem are dpkg failures (e.g. failed postinst) in the middle
09:21 Kamion hardware I'm bringing to the sprint: amd64 desktop + keyboard + monitor,
including vmware installation; my powerbok
09:21 JaneW of a upgrade
09:21 JaneW - [trivia: we made it to a big german IT news site (golem.de) with it]
09:21 Kamion powerbook, whatever
09:21 JaneW * gnome-app-install:
09:21 JaneW - new-look
09:21 JaneW http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/gnome-app-install/new-look/gai--new-look.png
09:21 JaneW implemented, can this go into dapper? or is it too
09:21 JaneW late? The old treeview dosn't scale well with many packages
[ThirdPartyPackages]
09:22 JaneW * gdebi:
09:22 JaneW - improved ui (HIG), drag'n'drop. do we want it in main as default
09:22 JaneW handler for .debs? [ThirdPartySpec]
09:22 JaneW * notification-daemon transition again (minor api changes only, look
09:22 JaneW of the notifications changed again) [DapperDesktopPlan]
09:22 JaneW * various small stuff (python-apt, update-notifier, synaptic,
09:22 JaneW update-manager
09:22 JaneW will do:
yeah, I'm bringing a 160GB drive and a 74GB raptor. Those can be used for
09:22 Mithrandir test installs and crack, but they'd need SATA cables, both signals and
power.
09:22 JaneW - more upgrade tool work
09:22 JaneW - send report to ubuntu-devel about current upgrade testing (failures
09:22 JaneW in packages)
09:22 JaneW - maybe upload gnome-app-install new-look into dapper (if it will be
approved)
09:23 mdz we definitely want gdebi in main
09:23 mdz and if it feels good, in desktop
09:23 mdz JaneW: no sprint ideas from mvo?
09:23 JaneW mdz: no sorry
09:24 mdz JaneW: please collate everyone's suggestions from here and the wiki page
into a list we can use next week
09:24 mdz ogra?
09:24 JaneW mdz: will do
09:24 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: did some more playing with nbd
09:24 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: no work this week
09:24 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: package done will upload with dummy for
now ... sabdfl images after the asia tour
09:24 ogra * general: last merges, flight 3, eurolinux conference, fiddling with
etherboot stuff
09:24 ogra * next week: sprint ... will do mostly ltsp spec finishing, uploading the
final xscreensaver split
09:24 ogra === sprint ideas ===
09:24 ogra flight 4 testing session since we all can share one CD set and will have a
bunch of differnt HW ;)
09:24 pitti JaneW: can we collect it right on the wiki page?
09:24 ogra === will bring ===
09:24 ogra compaq thin client+ keyboard/mouse
09:24 ogra ibook
09:24 ogra amd64 lappie
09:24 ogra usb dvd writer
09:24 ogra 160GB ide disk if needed
09:25 ogra both laptops have spare patitions for test installs
09:25 mdz ogra: what's left for faster-startup?
09:25 JaneW pitti: certainly - in fact please do
09:25 ogra that we talk about initscript removal ;) removing them doesnt work, i
think we need to set them to K
09:25 fabbione JaneW: I will bring my powerbook, usb hd for testing, local copies of all
the .iso, dvd burner, some cd/dvd media.
09:26 pitti JaneW: that's the page I announced for collecting ideas, so if you want to
add anything, there's no need for another place imho
09:26 ogra mdz, additionally the intiramfs patch infinity wants to talk about at the
sprint
09:26 JaneW pitti: indeed I'll use that, it was listed in my mail earlier too
09:26 mdz ogra: doesn't work?
09:26 mdz ogra: ok, let's talk about it after the meeting or tomorrow
09:26 ogra mdz, not for rcS
09:27 Keybuk JaneW: I'll bring my laptop, powerbook, guitar, and anything else I can
reasonably lug on the train
09:27 mdz ogra: did you ask anyone else?
09:27 ogra i talked with pere
09:27 infinity ogra: I'll be doing a fair chunk of initramfs hacking at the sprint, to
get everyone's pet bugs sorted.
09:27 ogra but i see that they are recreated in rcS
09:27 infinity ogra: So, just tap me on the shoulder, and we'll sor tit.
09:27 infinity sort it, too.
09:27 ogra infinity, thats what i was referring to
09:27 mdz ogra: recreated, really?
09:27 mdz ogra: ok, talk to infinity about it rather than me
09:27 mdz he's even in a convenient time zone
09:27 ogra or reinstalled ... they are there again :)
09:27 pitti I thought they were just recreated if all symlinks are removed
09:28 mdz ogra: thanks
09:28 infinity ogra: That's a feature. Talk to me about that one, too. (the init
scripts)
09:28 mdz pitti?
09:28 ogra infinity, oki
09:28 pitti langpacks-desktopfiles:
09:28 pitti * implemented langpack support for .directory files
09:28 pitti * added cdbs part for langpack support for .server files
* zyga looked into the gnome side of that and should have something going
09:28 pitti by start of next week (otherwise I'll finish that; we will definitively
have it for dapper)
09:28 pitti * wrote a script to track rebuild progress and catch packages which need
manual fixes
09:28 pitti * talked to Riddell, KDE seems more difficult; mdz, can we split that into
a separate spec and assign that to Riddel?
other stuff this week: cups bug fixing, cleaned up ALSA configuration file
09:28 pitti handling, improved default sound card selection, langpack update for
breezy (95% finished, will upload tonight if testing goes well), some
security updates
09:28 pitti no progress on other specs
plan: finish breezy langpack update, complete implementation of gnome side
09:28 pitti of langpacks-desktopfiles, catch up on bug triage, work with infinity on
PHP security update
sprint ideas so far: work on transitions with infinity (openssl, libdb,
09:28 pitti mozilla, mysql); work on various locales stuff with jbailey; help
testing/implementing NetworkMagic and work on the linux-wlan-ng side for
it (since it's a bit 'spethial')
09:28 pitti sprint hardware: iBook, USB wireless (linux-wlan-ng), usb stick, usb
headset
09:28 mdz pitti: feel free to break out the KDE bits and hand off to Riddell
09:28 pitti mdz: ok, I'll do that; easier to track that way
09:29 pitti btw, langpack testing is thumbs up
09:29 mdz cool
09:29 mdz pitti: thanks
09:29 pitti yay rosetta
09:29 mdz seb128?
dapper-desktop-plan: hacked gdm to have the new menu and icons for entries
09:29 seb128 as described by the spec, edited the ubuntu-artwork theme according to the
spec
gstreamer0.10: updated rhythmbox (now daap works with gst0.10), new
upstream version of totem. New gnome-media and sound-juicer switched to
09:29 seb128 gst0.10. Only gnome-applets (has a patch upstream), evolution (just a
plugin, we don't need to build it) and serpentine (SVN ported) require
0.8, we can probably kick gstreamer0.8 out of the desktop next week
other: bug triage, bug triage, some GNOME updates, comments on launchpad,
09:29 seb128 played with the new gconf (split of the .xml by locale) on different boxes
before uploading it
09:29 pitti late, but good :)
09:29 seb128 .
next week (sprint): GNOME 2.13.90, discussion about debugging packages for
09:29 seb128 dapper (would make bug work much easier for distro and upstream), getting
opinions on the desktop changes for dapper (what we need to adjust, what
others changes we want to do)
09:30 mdz seb128: nice, thanks
09:30 mdz Riddell?
09:30 Riddell kubuntu-dapper-roadmap: KDE 3.5.1 packaging
09:30 Riddell kubuntu-package-manager: discussions with mornfall and mdz, I believe he's
still to forward final costings though
09:30 Riddell also: revu, koffice beta packaging, fixing upgrade
09:30 Riddell blocking: mdz to decide on kde 3.5.1 upload
09:30 Riddell sprint todo: start porting espresso to qt?
09:31 mdz Riddell: go for it with 3.5.1
09:31 Riddell great, thanks
09:31 mdz Riddell: yes, waiting for pricing from mornfall
09:31 Riddell he finished his last exam the other day, I'll poke him more
09:31 mdz Riddell: thanks
09:31 mdz fastest round of status updates EVAR
09:32 mdz so who's bringing what musical instruments to the sprint?
09:32 Riddell my mini mac probably doesn't count
09:32 ogra i have a blues harp i can bring but cant play it :)
=== pitti won't bring the guitar with the plane, but will do so in april
09:32 Keybuk I can bring guitar
09:32 pitti will we have any guitar there?
09:32 jbailey Flute, recorder, might get a drum but I'm not sure yet.
09:33 pitti jbailey: no chance to forget the recorder?
09:33 mdz doko: you wanted to discuss bringing hardware?
09:33 mdz is there specific hardware we need?
09:33 fabbione my hardware is big enough
09:33 Keybuk do we know what the network situation there is yet?
09:33 fabbione Keybuk: 2M/256k
09:33 Keybuk or is it still "here's an ADSL line, enjoy"?
09:34 Keybuk oh, good. elmo: no e-mail for you
09:34 elmo no sprint for me
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09:34 Keybuk are you not popping down? :(
09:34 ogra cant you set up a wireless link from mossop street ?
09:34 mdz doko?
09:34 elmo Keybuk: hey, it beats your current internet situation ;-)
09:34 elmo ogra: across 10 miles?
09:34 elmo you guys will have your own server
09:34 ogra some hops needed indeed ;)
09:34 elmo with local mirror, squid, chroots, whatever you want
09:34 JaneW elmo: you are doing the server set-up on sunday though, right?
09:34 elmo I'll QOS upload so you can kill the down
09:35 Mithrandir apache2.2's proxy stuff is much faster than squid. Or so thom claims.
09:35 elmo JaneW: nah, distro team sucks I can't be bothered
09:35 elmo JaneW: (or, rather: yes)
09:35 JaneW elmo: :P
09:35 ogra heh
09:35 jbailey Should we try and dig up a local PPC box for builds for any portability
work?
09:35 mdz server setup party sunday night?
09:35 JaneW elmo: thanks *ruffle*
09:35 elmo Mithrandir: well, whichever, I'm not going to be there, you guys can do
what you with it
09:35 doko mdz: For OOo build I think about bringing an amd64 mini pc, just want to
avoid to bring the monitor and keyboard
09:35 JaneW mdz: I'll bring the Amarula
09:35 doko does somebody has a KVM switch?
09:36 mdz doko: you could do builds on the server
09:36 Riddell I'll bring kubuntu CDs
09:36 elmo doko: the server will be a ronne class dl385
09:36 elmo doko: would that not suffice?
09:36 mdz JaneW: excellent!
09:36 Riddell let me know if you want a box for your LUG etc
09:36 neuralis mdz: we should discuss server testing after the meeting, there seems to be
some confusion
09:36 ogra can anybody bring a serial mouse i can land until the conference for ltsp
testing ?
09:36 elmo anyway, I'm brining a monitor and keyboard
09:36 Mithrandir elmo: shiny.
09:36 ogra s/land/lend/
09:36 mdz neuralis: now is OK, we have some extra time
09:36 doko elmo: no, that's ok, as long as we can install test builds
09:37 fabbione elmo: are you going to mirror cdimage as well? (just daily?)
09:37 JaneW ogra: I think I have one lying around somewhere... may have the round
connector - that ok?
09:37 elmo fabbione: probably won't have space to do full cdimage, only 6x72 drive,
but can mirror a subset if you tell me what you want
mdz: when we last spoke, you explained you wanted community-s-t to be an
09:37 neuralis outline of testing steps that humans can carry out, much like we have with
LaptopTesting
09:37 doko ogra; serial mouse, what is this? ;-P
09:37 ogra JaneW, the round one is ps2
09:38 ogra doko, thats what i'm always asking my edubuntu users ;)
09:38 fabbione elmo: dunno.. i think daily/live for big 3 will do
09:38 mdz neuralis: yes, and it looks like you've made a good start on that on
ServerTesting
09:38 fabbione elmo: no need more than that i think
09:38 mdz neuralis: (that was you, right?)
09:38 elmo fabbione: well, someone let me know by Saturday night ;-)
09:38 neuralis mdz: yes, that was me; i wasn't under the impression you wanted anything
else for that spec?
09:38 pitti ogra: I might still have a serial mouse in my cellar somewhere if you need
it
09:38 fabbione elmo: ok
09:39 ogra pitti, that would be great
09:39 elmo doko: as I said, I'm not there, someone else'll be in chargeof the box, so
'tever
09:39 mdz neuralis: BenC will be coordinating the actual testing with the community
09:39 Keybuk ogra: I have some serial mice somewhere
mdz: BenC looked over ServerTesting and didn't have additions, so i was
09:39 neuralis expecting you'll simply ok the spec so the remainder of the wiki pages can
be created
09:39 ogra ah, cool
09:39 ogra one is enough :)
09:39 mdz neuralis: my reply about the spec was that it didn't seem to reflect what
we agreed on (and indeed what you have already worked on)
09:39 pitti ogra: don't count on mine :)
09:39 ogra pitti, k
09:40 ogra Keybuk, so if you could bring one ...
09:40 Keybuk ogra: yup, I'm reasonably sure I know where I put them
09:40 ogra great
09:40 Keybuk should be in the loft, somewhere under the mess of wires I added last
weekend :p
09:40 ogra lots of ltsp users will owe you one :)
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mdz: i altered the spec to leave the 'certification/community testing
09:41 neuralis catalog' spec bits in place, but explicity said we're first approaching
the problem via wiki and ServerTesting. would you like me to move all the
testing catalog parts to a separate spec?
neuralis: yes, I think that would be best. we're saying that
09:42 mdz ServerTesting is a target for dapper, and so the spec should reflect the
dapper goals
09:42 neuralis mdz: okay. is there anything else that you want done?
09:42 Mithrandir mdz: is the meeting adjourned? I don't think the whole distro team needs
to be around for the community server testing thingy?
09:42 mdz neuralis: thanks for your efforts on those specs
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09:43 JaneW ogra: we do have a serial mouse
09:43 mdz any other last-minute discussion topics, or shall we finish early for the
first time(!)?
09:43 fabbione the latter++
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09:43 JaneW ogra: ping me tomorrow in case I forget, but I will bring it, if I rem to
dig it out the back room
09:44 ogra JaneW, but Keybuk has the shorter transportation to do
09:44 JaneW ogra: well if you let me know by 15:00UTC tomorrow if you need it, I can
bring it
09:44 mdz ok
09:44 mdz adjourned then
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