11:03 Riddell hi all, who's here?

• 11:03 freeflying @schedule Shanghai 11:03 Ubugtu Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 16 May 20:00: Community Council | 17 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team 11:03 freeflying Riddell: hi 11:03 kwwii hi all 11:03 freeflying kwwii: hi 11:03 Lure hi 11:04 uniq hi. 11:04 Riddell most important agenda item this evening is that I have a pot of soup on the boil and you must remind me to turn it off in half an hour so it doesn't boil dry

  11:04 gringo 11:04 kmon lol 11:04 Tonio_ hey

  11:04 Lure Riddell: I do not see it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings 11:05 kwwii we could form a submeeting to discuss these issues and get back to you later 11:06 Riddell shall we get started? 11:06 Lure I think so 11:06 Tonio_ yup === Tonio_ takes a coffee 11:06 Riddell the feeling at linuxtag was that we should have a kubuntu council 11:07 Riddell who would approve membership and take decisions at meetings 11:07 Riddell any thoughts on that? 11:07 Lure I think it is most appropriate thing to do 11:08 uniq i agree. 11:08 Riddell groovy 11:08 Lure edubuntu already have one, with monthly meetings for membership/community considerations 11:08 freeflying Riddell: what's the number will be 11:08 Riddell I propose we follow the example of edubuntu who have 5 people, at least 1 canonical employee but not more than 2 11:08 Lure and 3 needed to support 11:09 Lure (vote) 11:09 Riddell yes 11:09 freeflying we now onlt you are paid employee 11:09 freeflying s/onlt/only 11:09 Riddell yes, for now 11:10 Riddell so next question is how to choose the members 11:10 Tonio_ I agree following the example of edubuntu is a nice idea 11:10 Lure just collect candidates 11:10 Riddell we could also try and have a vote on launchpad but I've no idea how well that would work 11:11 Riddell maybe we should try candidates and if we have lots we can work out some sort of vote 11:11 uniq good idea. 11:11 kmon maybe create a list like kubuntu-announcements and use that as a way to tell people a poll has been created on launchpad? 11:11 Riddell so, who wants to stand? 11:12 uniq 1 year mandates? 11:12 Tonio_ Riddell: raphink isn't here, but I'm certain he would like to 11:12 Riddell kmon: kubuntu-devel is good enough I think 11:12 Riddell uniq: sounds good 11:12 Riddell I'll stand for it 11:12 freeflying Riddell: at least ,you shall descide the candidates === Lure proposes obvious candidates: raphink, Tonio_, Hobbsee 11:12 kmon Riddell: if kubuntu grows it may be needed in the future... but I agree now it's not necesary 11:13 Riddell I'd like Tonio_ to stand too

  11:13 Tonio_ Riddell: I'm standing 11:13 Riddell hobbsee would be cool, although I think she might need some persuading 11:14 Riddell so I say I put out an announcement, and if we have too many candidates we can vote on it 11:14 Lure we need somebody who is actie on #kubuntu - this is why I think Hobbsee is good candidate 11:14 freeflying raphink: Tonio_ hobbsee 11:14 Riddell Lure: very true 11:14 Riddell and by next meeting we should have a kommittee 11:15 raphink hi

  11:15 Lure we will need more irc help in future since Dapper will rock 11:15 raphink sorry for being late 11:15 Riddell hi raphink

  11:15 Lure raphink: we just elected you 11:15 raphink ah === Lure is kidding 11:15 raphink for what?

  11:15 raphink 11:15 Riddell for the kubuntu council

  11:15 Tonio_ raphink: cellphones nice sometimes 11:15 Tonio_ +are

  11:15 raphink Tonio_: indeed 11:15 raphink I was just fighting with Ooo

  11:15 raphink anyway, offtopic 11:16 Riddell raphink: any comments on the council or shall we move on? 11:16 raphink I'll read very fast 11:16 Lure I would also like maybe somebody in council that is strong background in KDE (besides Riddell) 11:16 Tonio_ Lure: only 5 names have been proposed at the moment, aren't you interested to stand for that too ? 11:16 Riddell Lure: yes that would be nice, I did ask danimo but he's too busy 11:16 Tonio_ Riddell: toma maybe ? 11:16 Lure allee? 11:16 Lure or toma? 11:16 Lure true 11:17 Riddell good names 11:17 toma ola 11:17 toma whats up? 11:17 raphink what exactly would be the role of the council? 11:17 Riddell toma: want to be our KDE representative on the council? 11:17 toma wow, you are surprising me here 11:17 Riddell raphink: approving membership, and making decisions on other stuff at meeting that are needed 11:17 raphink I'm fine for this

  11:18 raphink I mean I'm ok to be part of it if I'm proposed 11:18 Riddell allee would be good for his links to debian 11:18 raphink yes true 11:18 Tonio_ Riddell: + 11:19 Riddell ok, lets move on, we can sort out the members before the next meeting

  11:19 Riddell freeflying: your item 11:19 Riddell hmm, freeflying has fallen back asleep

  11:19 freeflying I haven't commnets on flight7 at all 11:19 Lure Riddell: will you invite formally the proposed people to confirm that they would accept the possition? 11:19 toma Riddell: what would that mean? 11:20 Riddell toma: being on the council? just means you need to turn up to meeting to approve members and vote on things that come to a vote 11:20 toma Riddell: I think kubuntu will be very important for KDE, so I'm not sure I'm the most perfect person to have within KDE. 11:21 Riddell toma: nonsense, you'll be perfect 11:21 Lure toma: we just need an active KDE person that is also active/follows Kubuntu on regular basis

  11:21 Tonio_ toma: there aren't dozens of kde developpers activelly talking on kubuntu-devel 11:21 raphink toma: you're a very good link with KDE for us 11:21 Lure Tonio_: +1 11:21 raphink very valuable 11:21 toma Riddell: I'm no eV member anymore, dont know if that matters 11:21 freeflying toma: +1 11:21 Riddell nah, nothing interesting happens on e.v. anyway 11:21 Tonio_ toma: you where one of the firsts with danimo 11:22 Riddell except slagging off gnome of course 11:22 kmon this kubuntu council will be similar to ubuntu community council right? 11:22 Riddell kmon: yes 11:22 toma wow, and i feel guilty for not having done anything spectuclar yet for kubuntu. 11:22 kmon and what about the technical board? are you Riddell part of it?

  11:22 freeflying toma: you will 11:22 toma haha 11:22 raphink toma: you have

  11:22 raphink

  11:22 Lure toma: rsibreak helps me... 11:23 Riddell kmon: I'm not on the ubuntu tech board. the kubuntu council would take votes on tech decisions too if that was helpful 11:23 raphink kmon: the kubuntu TB will be decided in Paris if any === Tonio_ reminds Riddell that his soup will be ready in 10 minutes 11:23 kmon ok, nice. Thanks raphink, Riddell 11:23 raphink if I understood what Mark said last time

  11:23 Riddell Tonio_: thanks

  11:23 Tonio_ Riddell: ^_ 11:23 Riddell so, anyone tried flight 7 11:24 Riddell and has anyone tried ubiquity most importantly 11:24 Tonio_ Riddell: I did, and there are not that much killer bugs actually === raphink is up-to-date but doesn't try installing 11:24 kwwii Riddell: I was impressed with Ubiquity

  11:24 Lure Riddell: I did... 11:24 kwwii it worked great in German and looked pretty good, all things considered 11:24 Riddell kwwii: did you do an install with it? 11:24 Riddell Lure: did you install with it? === kmon is up to date, but don't have a spare computer to try live installer 11:24 raphink ubiquity still misses the map for the time settings, doesn't it? 11:24 kwwii the partioner interface was not very nice though at first 11:24 kwwii Riddell: yes, 11:24 toma you guys are great, I can try, but I prefer a first period of six months, so if I suck you can get rid of me and if i dont like it, I can leave... Is that something? 11:25 Riddell toma: sure, that's fine 11:25 Lure Riddell: yes, and with couple of dailys before and after Flight 7 11:25 kwwii raphink: it complains about the hardware time everytime it boots

  11:25 Riddell excellent, that's the first successful reports I've heard from ubiquity 11:25 Lure Riddell: I think you have managed to nail all/most critical ones (crashes and stuff)

  11:25 raphink 11:25 Tonio_ Riddell: ubiquity worked for me, but I tested on a blank disk... 11:25 raphink kwwii: what complains? 11:25 Riddell I still need to fix some of the logic on the mountpoints page, and I'll try the map this weekend but it's not a priority 11:26 kwwii raphink: the installed system 11:26 raphink ah 11:26 raphink that's pretty bad 11:26 kwwii there are lots of endianess problems 11:26 kwwii pretty much all screenshot functions and several apps are effected 11:26 Riddell flight 8 is next week so please everyone test ubiquity because if it's broken on the final CD that's a lot of useless shipit CDs we'll have 11:26 Tonio_ Riddell: I will 11:26 raphink ok 11:27 Riddell oh and testers for flight 8 candidates very welcome too of course, around wednesday

  === Lure is out next week 11:27 Riddell toma: your item 11:27 Riddell or did we do this last meeting? 11:27 toma we did it last meeting, not sure why it ended up this meeting 11:28 Riddell nobody wiped the agenda is why 11:28 toma i dont think we need to repeat it 11:28 toma next item 11:28 Riddell I've still not had time to do the list of things for new developers but I'd still like to at some point soon 11:28 Riddell allee here? 11:28 kmon Riddell: soup 11:28 raphink lol 11:28 Riddell arg! my soup! 11:28 kwwii Riddell: two more minutes! 11:28 toma Riddell: untill k3m, i dont have time anyways. allee has not responded to my calls. 11:29 kwwii you said half an hour

  11:29 Tonio_ kmon: 4 minutes left for the soup AFAIK 11:29 toma move it to later on, he'll be back 11:29 Riddell allee seems to be suggesting renaming kubuntu, which is probably not a good idea 11:29 Riddell Lure: your item 11:30 Lure who will be in Paris and what is to be expected from this event in regards to Kubuntu? 11:30 raphink I will almost certainly be in Paris

  11:30 Tonio_ Lure: I will since I am 11:30 raphink and there are many things to be decided there 11:30 Riddell we need to plan for Edgy!

  11:30 raphink

  11:30 Riddell all ideas welcome, please put them on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas 11:31 raphink keeping in mind that Edgy will be a 4 month release 11:31 raphink which means lots of work in a short time 11:31 Lure Mark mentioed KDE developers - is this already confirmed? 11:31 raphink yes it is Lure

  11:31 raphink it has been talked about at LinuxTag 11:31 Riddell Lure: yes, we'll have a bunch of kde people there 11:31 raphink together with KDE people 11:31 kmon For paris summit I think you guys should propose which kde devs/people should be proposed to be invited by mark 11:31 raphink they have to appoint about 5 people to come there 11:31 Riddell kwwii, ervin, ellen, aseigo 11:32 Lure this sounds great\ 11:32 raphink very nice 11:32 kwwii great, now I am on the kde list? 11:32 Riddell oh and sebas of course 11:32 Riddell kwwii: yes

  11:32 kwwii hehe, ok...be prepared for oxygen 11:32 raphink kwwii: :p

  11:32 raphink yeah

  11:32 raphink we need oxygen in Paris 11:32 raphink esp. in the summer, with pollution peaks 11:32 Riddell I believe canonical will be willing to fund people working on shiny bling graphic things 11:33 raphink mhm

  11:33 DaSkreech2 What about SOC? 11:33 Riddell so if anyone hears of any projects like that let me know 11:33 kwwii raphink: oxygen will be releseased on week before paris

  11:33 Riddell DaSkreech2: put it on the agenda 11:33 raphink kwwii: great 11:33 Riddell kwwii: oh? 11:33 kwwii s/on/one

  11:33 DaSkreech2 !agenda 11:33 Riddell now that's exciting

  11:33 Riddell https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings 11:33 kwwii Riddell: we are meeting in port. for a week to get things ready 11:33 Riddell portugal? 11:34 kwwii yepp, at nunos houes 11:34 kwwii house 11:34 Riddell wow, excellent

  11:34 raphink 11:34 Riddell I wonder what colour the folders will be, that's the exciting bit 11:34 kwwii orange! 11:35 kwwii no, blue, as usual

  11:35 Tonio_ Riddell: I just hope less blue this time 11:35 raphink hehe 11:35 Tonio_ arghhhhhhhh 11:35 Riddell kmon: do you have suggestions of developers? 11:35 Tonio_ kwwii: :'( 11:35 kmon Riddell: I think the one's you've mentioned are great === Lure is already tired of blue and hates to have custom theme ;-( 11:36 kmon specially if people from different parts of KDE are involved (coding, marketing, etc) 11:36 Tonio_ Lure: yes, I agree

  11:36 DaSkreech2 Oh 11:36 Riddell do we know who K2 is? 11:36 raphink I don't 11:36 Tonio_ Riddell: nope

  11:36 DaSkreech2 Have the System settings usable with the keyboad 11:36 raphink and he's not here

  11:36 DaSkreech2 keyboard 11:36 Riddell whoever he is, he's put his item on the wrong meeting agenda, we don't really do linux module issues here

  11:36 raphink DaSkreech2: that'd have to be for edgy

  11:36 DaSkreech2 ok 11:37 raphink so... newsletters? 11:37 raphink what do you mean by that Riddell? 11:37 Riddell so my item, matt suggested I make newsletters of the week's happenings in kubuntu and post them out 11:37 raphink emails? blog ? 11:37 Riddell e-mail to the lists 11:37 raphink ok 11:37 raphink could be nice 11:37 raphink what would it feature? 11:37 Riddell nothing too long, just a quick summary of where we are and what's planned to work on 11:37 Lure I think blog would be better (more visibility) 11:38 raphink new features / bugs / new contributors / events in the community / events in the world 11:38 Riddell raphink: stuff we've all done, people who have done it, top bug fixer of the week, whatever 11:38 raphink ok

  11:38 Riddell yes, you've got the idea 11:38 raphink I agree with lure though 11:38 raphink a blog would be more visible 11:38 uniq have to go, gnite. 11:38 raphink or using kubuntu.org with a news section 11:38 Tonio_ uniq: nite 11:38 raphink and sending it to the ML in addition 11:38 Riddell ubuntu-devel-announce gets a lot of publicity

  11:38 DaSkreech2 Riddell: would that be for users or developers? 11:38 raphink night uniq 11:39 Riddell and if I link from kubuntu.org that brings in more

  11:39 Riddell DaSkreech2: developers and interested users 11:39 Lure news is too official, and blog can be more free-writing

  11:39 DaSkreech2 True but there can be a chain 11:39 freeflying blog and ML

  11:39 DaSkreech2 One leads to the other 11:39 Riddell so I'll be poking people to remind me of what's happened in the last week

  11:39 DaSkreech2 People can stop at the level of involvement they want to get into 11:40 kmon Riddell: similar to debian weekly news? 11:40 kmon nice 11:40 Riddell kmon: probably not as long or formal, but along those lines yes 11:40 kmon th desktop team do something similar AFAIK, but gnome based 11:40 Riddell yes, launchpad does too 11:41 Riddell although I've never seen more than one 11:41 Riddell ok, agenda over 11:41 raphink I've got a point to add to the meeting although it's not on the agenda 11:41 raphink which is translations

  11:41 Riddell DaSkreech2 was first 11:41 Lure Riddell: any bugs that we are concerned with? 11:41 raphink ok sure 11:41 Lure (must-fix and stuff)

  11:41 raphink go on DaSkreech2

  11:41 DaSkreech2 I am?

  11:41 Riddell DaSkreech2: you were asking about summer of code?

  11:42 DaSkreech2 Right 11:42 Tonio_ raphink: I pinged pitti yesterday, he will release new language packs this week 11:42 Riddell just asking the status in general?

  11:42 DaSkreech2 You were looking for developers for KDE4 stuff

  11:42 DaSkreech2 You emntioned oxygen 11:42 raphink new language packs are out already Tonio_, and it doesn't fix the menus

  11:42 DaSkreech2 I was noticing on the SOC page there were quite a few KDE4 specific things under kubuntu

  11:42 DaSkreech2 mentioned

  11:43 Riddell DaSkreech2: I wasn't looking for kde 4 developers, I was looking for shiny bling things we can do in edgy (4 months time, too soon for kde 4) 11:43 Riddell I never put half the kubuntu SoC ideas on the wiki page there 11:43 Tonio_ raphink: do they ? I didn't update today

  11:43 DaSkreech2 Ah ok So things like the compiz/KDE (also SOC) ? 11:43 Riddell I don't know who did

  11:43 Riddell DaSkreech2: yes

  11:44 Tonio_ Riddell: so yes, we have one killer bug to fix before release

  11:44 DaSkreech2 Where dod we want the blingy things? In art or in the tech? 11:44 Riddell we've had a good number of SoC applications, I've no idea how many we'll get in the end

  11:44 DaSkreech2 do

  11:44 Riddell DaSkreech2: both 11:44 kmon Riddell: I think good SOC proyects could be to develop apps missing in kubuntu from ubuntu (like a qt/kde frontend to gdebi) 11:44 Tonio_ raphink: btw it works for some languages like german, the translation doesn't bug on that point 11:44 Riddell kmon: our top project so far is for an OEM installer 11:44 Riddell insanekane said he'd look at gdebi for qt 11:45 kmon nice 11:45 Riddell Tonio_: killer bug being translations? 11:45 raphink Tonio_: sorry, its language-support-* that were released today, not language-pack-*-data 11:45 Tonio_ Version: 1:6.06+20060427 11:45 Riddell Tonio_: please check that the missing translations are indeed now in rosetta under kdelibs.po 11:45 Tonio_ raphink: yes, new packs aren't still built

  11:46 raphink right, let's wait then 11:46 Riddell raphink: is that your translation item dealt with? 11:46 Tonio_ Riddell: rosetta is complete, and your have supposedly corrected the kdelibs bug 11:46 Riddell Tonio_: great 11:46 raphink taking about translations 11:46 Tonio_ Riddell: we have to look carefully for updates and check if that will resolve the issue 11:46 raphink I was playing with zeroconf today 11:46 freeflying Riddell: there still many pos of kde stuff not on rosetta

  11:46 DaSkreech2 Riddell: Oh just to be clear this is a edgy type meeting or just a kubuntu future in general? 11:46 raphink and noticed that it uses kind of desktop files that have to be translated

  11:47 Riddell DaSkreech2: the Paris summit is an edgy meeting 11:47 Tonio_ the problem is it would be nice to have the response quickly, and not discovering 3 days before release that the bug is still there

  11:47 DaSkreech2 ok

  11:47 Riddell DaSkreech2: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis 11:47 Riddell raphink: desktop files are a pain for translation 11:47 raphink yes I guess 11:47 Tonio_ Riddell: definitly === kmon hopes Riddell has turned off the boiling soup 11:47 raphink the best might be to have them translated upstream 11:47 Riddell raphink: in gnome, ubuntu now has a patch that allows desktop files to take translations from .po files

  11:48 Tonio_ Riddell: that could be an interesting launchpad addon -> desktop files online translation 11:48 Riddell raphink: I didn't have time to do that for kubuntu but I'd like to for edgy 11:48 Tonio_ Riddell: don't you think ? 11:48 raphink ok

  11:48 Riddell Tonio_: tell carlos

  11:48 Tonio_ Riddell: in paris, in paris 11:49 Riddell Lure: you were talking about bugs? 11:49 Tonio_ raphink: I will ping pitti once more for langpacks if there are no updates on sunday evening 11:49 raphink ok 11:49 Tonio_ raphink: and concerning the livecd, french is supposed to come back according to what Riddell told me yesterday 11:49 Lure Riddell: yes - anyhting that needs to be fixed and we do not see it in pile of open bugs? 11:49 raphink Tonio_: I was talking about the files like _ssh._tcp . I don't know how they are to be translated in KDE 11:49 Riddell Tonio_: should be on now 11:49 raphink Tonio_: great 11:50 Tonio_ Riddell: great

  11:50 DaSkreech2 Well I'm done with my part then

  11:50 DaSkreech2 The next section may have the floor 11:50 Tonio_ raphink: yes, xml based and desktop files are a pain to translate... 11:50 Riddell Lure: I need to look at making sure chaning timezones works, I know it hasn't in the past and I don't think it's changed 11:50 raphink talking about bugs, I'm happy to say that Korganizer works again since last week

  11:50 DaSkreech2 Although I could raise my System settings irks 11:50 Tonio_ raphink: could be interesting to discuss that in paris 11:51 Lure Riddell: changing TZ where? 11:51 Riddell Lure: I've heard that KMail filters don't work, having someone to confirm that would be good 11:51 Tonio_ and make zeroconf-scripts-* packages or something

  11:51 Riddell Lure: right click on clock->configure clock 11:51 Tonio_ raphink: don't you think ? 11:51 Riddell Lure: it used not to save the new value when you rebooted 11:51 raphink Tonio_: well we'd need more protocol files, translated in various languages, and avahi default config files 11:51 raphink but that's for dapper I guess 11:51 raphink s/dapper/edgy/ 11:52 Lure Riddell: I can check KMail filters - is there a bug? 11:52 Tonio_ raphink: yes I was talking about edgy btw 11:52 raphink ok 11:52 Lure but I am in only tommorow then back next Sat...

  11:52 Riddell Lure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/39944 11:52 Tonio_ raphink: we will need to come to paris with plans and structure to propose for a correct zeroconf implementation 11:52 Ubugtu Malone bug 39944 in kdepim "Set filters are ineffective" [Normal,Needs info] 11:52 Riddell any other business? 11:52 raphink yes Tonio_ 11:52 Tonio_ raphink: nothing impossible as long as we "think" it correctly 11:53 raphink Tonio_: there should be a spec for it 11:53 Tonio_ raphink: true 11:53 raphink Riddell: well I think that's it 11:53 Tonio_ Riddell: ust a little question since you are close to kde 11:54 Riddell hmm?

  11:54 raphink Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/zeroconf 11:54 Tonio_ Riddell: one of the priorities for edgy will be compiz integration within xgl or aiglx 11:54 Riddell Tonio_: that would be cool, although I don't know who could do it, I should talk to zrusin 11:54 Tonio_ and AFAIK, there are very little chances that the kde-window-decorator will work

  11:54 allee hi, uh, meeting not 22.00 UTC as in wiki sorry 11:54 kwwii zack is working for trolltech 100a100gain 11:55 Tonio_ Riddell: zack didn't touch the cvs for 2 month.... 11:55 Riddell yes, kwin integration has been problematic I believe 11:55 kwwii funky, where did the 100's come from

  11:55 Lure allee: - wiki was wrong.... 11:55 Tonio_ so if we can't implement it, that will make a hudge difference will ubuntu 11:55 allee SHIT 11:55 kwwii that's ok, we voted you out 11:55 Riddell hi allee, sorry the wiki wasn't updated properly 11:56 Riddell allee: fancy being on the kubuntu council? 11:56 freeflying Riddell: when will be the next meeting? 11:56 Riddell that's a good question 11:57 freeflying I'd update the meetingsagenda now 11:57 Riddell maybe week after release 11:57 allee fine with me. But I'm not sure if I'm online enought to know and judge new peoples work. You decide 11:57 Riddell 8th june? 11:57 freeflying Riddell: seems too long, how about one weeks after RC1 11:57 Tonio_ Riddell: should we make a latest one just a week before release in case we miss something ? 11:58 allee Tonio_: makes sense

  11:58 Riddell 1 week after RC is final release night 11:58 Lure Riddell: I think meeting every two weeks would be approprite

  11:58 Tonio_ Riddell: 1 day after rc1 release 11:58 raphink good for me 11:58 Riddell friday 26th? 11:58 freeflying Riddell: then May, 21 11:58 Tonio_ Riddell: good for me 11:58 Tonio_ although I may not be there... 11:58 kwwii the 26th is bad for me 11:58 Lure Firday is bad day for meetings 11:58 kwwii flying to port 11:59 toma vote allee++ 11:59 Riddell monday 29th? 11:59 kmon Tonio_: suse 10.1 has just been released and they claim xgl support, maybe someone should take a look at how they do it for kde 11:59 Riddell freeflying: 21st is a weekend

  11:59 Tonio_ kmon: they do use gnome-window-decorator 11:59 Riddell kmon: I've a feeling they just use gnome window manager 11:59 Tonio_ kmon: I asked during linuxtag

  11:59 kmon Tonio_:

  11:59 allee Riddell: too late I'm in holidays starting 26 11:59 raphink kmon: xgl won't be in dapper 11:59 raphink by default that is

  11:59 raphink 12:00 raphink and it's good this way

  12:00 raphink 12:00 freeflying Riddell: then 22 st, then we have more then one week before release 12:00 kmon raphink: I think ubuntu devs don't want to go with xgl 12:00 Tonio_ kmon: aiglx is more probable, since it is much easier to integrate 12:00 allee freeflying: ++ 12:00 Riddell we could have it on 25th and just hope the RC is done by that time 12:00 Riddell freeflying: seems quite soon 12:00 kmon yesterdar mathew garret said that on irc 12:00 raphink kmon: so far at least. Dapper is to be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and we can't do that with xgl 12:00 Riddell although if we have a council by then we can do membership and stuff 12:00 toma 25 is start k3m, i wont be there then. 12:01 Riddell what's k3m? 12:01 toma kde multi media meeting 12:01 kmon raphink: I think they'll have a look at fedoras solution 12:01 Riddell oh, cool 12:01 raphink seems nice 12:01 raphink I can't promise to be there at next meeting 12:01 Riddell how's the 22nd?

  12:01 Tonio_ kmon: which is aiglx 12:01 kmon raphink: at least that's what I read the other day on IRC 12:01 raphink as I'm given a job and am not sure I'll have a connexion at the time 12:01 raphink but I'll do my best

  12:01 raphink 12:01 kmon raphink: yes 12:02 Tonio_ kmon: compiz is already compatible with aiglx, I tested and that's exactly like with xgl, except it is just a little xorg addon 12:02 Tonio_ Riddell: 22nd or 23rd are fine with me 12:02 Riddell freeflying: put down the 22nd at 21:00UTC and see who complains

  12:02 kmon raphink: OT: Did you include your linuxtag talk on the wiki? === toma too 12:02 freeflying Riddell: ok 12:02 raphink kmon: what do you mean? 12:03 Riddell meeting over, thanks all, remember to test ubiquity