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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting.

• Review progress made on the Roadmap.

• Mysql 5.1 in karmic main? - mathiaz
• Open Discussion.
• Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, August 4th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

16:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:04] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:05] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090721
[16:05] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] SRU tracking on server-related packages
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU tracking on server-related packages
[16:05] <mathiaz> So I've asked bdmurray about a script to get the list of bugs marked fixed released during a previous week
[16:06] <mathiaz> he said he almost had such a script
[16:06] <mathiaz> I need to follow up with him and see how and where we can run this script
[16:07] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to follow up with bdmurray about the list of fixed released bugs related to the ubuntu-server team.
[16:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to follow up with bdmurray about the list of fixed released bugs related to the ubuntu-server team.
[16:07] <mathiaz> anything else to add on this topic?
[16:08] <zul> are we going to review it every week at the meeting?
[16:08] <zul> or should it be an automated email to the server mailing list?
[16:09] <mathiaz> zul: let's start by a weekly review in this meeting
[16:09] <mathiaz> zul: if this takes too much time, we can always move it to the mailing list
[16:10] <zul> k
[16:10] <mathiaz> anything else related to this topic?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:11] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Preparing a 2009 edition of the Server Survey
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Preparing a 2009 edition of the Server Survey
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba wrote up a blog post about it: http://nicolas.barcet.com/drupal/en/preparing-2009-server-survey
[16:12] <mathiaz> anything else to add to this topic?
[16:13] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu HA team: Cluster stack update
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu HA team: Cluster stack update
[16:14] <mathiaz> neither RoAkSoAx nor ivoks seem to be around
[16:15] <mathiaz> on a related note Debian has moved to DKMS for the drbd package
[16:15] <mathiaz> and the latest version of drbd has been synced in karmic this morning
[16:15] <mathiaz> congratulation to ivoks for driving this packaging effort in both Debian and Ubuntu
[16:16]  * sommer cheers
[16:17] <mathiaz> ivoks told me yesterday he was now focusing on packaging the pacemaker+openais+... stack for karmic
[16:17] <mathiaz> anything else to say on the cluster stack?
[16:18] <mathiaz> it seems not. Let's move on.
[16:19] <mathiaz> That's all I had from last week minutes.
[16:19] <mathiaz> Anything else to add related to last week meeting?
[16:20] <mathiaz> seems not - let's move on.
[16:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Mysql 5.1 in karmic main
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mysql 5.1 in karmic main
[16:21] <mathiaz> Debian unstable saw the upload of 5.1 into unstable last weekend
[16:21] <mathiaz> and thus transition to libmysql16 has started in unstable.
[16:21] <mathiaz> The question is whether we should do the same in karmic now?
[16:22] <zul> i dont see why not
[16:22] <mathiaz> The two blockers I had when I looked at moving 5.1 into main a couple of week ago were:
[16:22] <mathiaz> 1. the test suite was not enabled during build time, while it was in 5.0
[16:22] <mathiaz> 2. the cluster engine is not available in 5.1 while it is in 5.0
[16:22] <zul> is there a reason why it was disabled?
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: because it wasn't successful?
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: because it wasn't successful.
[16:23] <zul> pretty good reason
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: hm well - what are you refering to 1 or 2?
[16:23] <zul> both probably
[16:25] <mathiaz> For 2. one solution could be to add a check in pre and see if the ndb engine is used
[16:25] <mathiaz> if so the upgrade would abort and suggest to remove mysql-server
[16:25] <mathiaz> and leave mysql-server-5.0
[16:25] <mathiaz> and leave mysql-server-5.0 installed on the system
[16:25] <zul> sounds reasonable
[16:26] <mathiaz> as transitionning from 5.0 to 5.1 in karmic main means that mysql-server would be provided by 5.1 instead of 5.0
[16:27] <mathiaz> The kubuntu team also would like to move to 5.1 as it would simplify the packaging of amarok
[16:27] <mathiaz> and it seems that we'd want to have 5.1 for the next LTS
[16:28] <mathiaz> uploading 5.1 to main now would mean going through another library transition - I wonder if it's not too late in the release cycle
[16:28] <zul> how many libraries are affected again?
[16:29] <zul> if its alot then it would be just a matter of going to motu's saying we need help to transition mysql libraries to 5.1
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: well - not really - only packages in main would have to be transitioned in karmic
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: as we could keep 5.0 in universe for this release cycle
[16:30] <zul> true
[16:30] <mathiaz> zul: in debian there are around 160 pkg IIRC
[16:30] <mathiaz> zul: but there isn't a difference between main and universe
[16:30] <zul> but this would also be an opprotunity to help debian out as well
[16:30] <mathiaz> I've check point 1 (test suite not enabled in 5.1) and it's not true anymore
[16:31] <mathiaz> the test suite is run at build time IIUC
[16:31] <mathiaz> so the only blocker I have is point 2 and we have a workaround for karmic.
[16:31] <mathiaz> so I think the next step is to send an email to ubuntu-devel to discuss the transition to mysql 5.1 in main
[16:32] <mathiaz> and file a MIR for 5.1
[16:32] <mathiaz> which may take some time to get processed.
[16:32] <zul> cool beans
[16:32] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:33] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to send an email to ubuntu-devel about moving 5.1 to main
[16:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to send an email to ubuntu-devel about moving 5.1 to main
[16:33] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:33] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Cloud power management
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Cloud power management
[16:33] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^
[16:33] <mathiaz> kirkland: anything new on this front?
[16:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: howdy o/
[16:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: not much since last week, really
[16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: i expect that the functionality is basically done for karmic
[16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: and i've moved into test-mode
[16:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: allright - feature complete, testing required.
[16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: yessir!
[16:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: are you looking for specific hardware?
[16:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: are there any test instructions?
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, still looking for a rackable server that has S3 in /proc/acpi/sleep
[16:35] <kirkland> if you are in possession of one of these, let me know :-)
[16:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: are you focusing on hardware support testing or software testing?
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: software testing of PowerNap and PowerWake
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: i considered the work I did testing suspend/hibernate/resume in Jaunty to verify the hardware support
[16:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd suggest to talk to cr3 - he may have some hardware available
[16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[16:38] <mathiaz> anything else to add to this topic?
[16:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: nope, not really
[16:38] <mathiaz> ok. Let's move on.
[16:38] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Gudie
[16:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Gudie
[16:38] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Guide
[16:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Guide
[16:38] <mathiaz> sommer: ^^
[16:38] <mathiaz> sommer: how is it going on this front?
[16:40] <sommer> mathiaz: slowly but surely... been busier than normal with the day job and real life
[16:40] <sommer> mathiaz: I think everything in the blueprint should get done though :)
[16:40] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome - what are the deadlines?
[16:41]  * RoAkSoAx waves
[16:41] <mathiaz> sommer: has the doc team changed the milestones this release cycle?
[16:41] <sommer> Doc Freeze is Oct 1st
[16:41] <sommer> mathiaz: nope as far as I know the milestones are the same
[16:42] <mathiaz> sommer: ok - keep up the good work!
[16:42] <mathiaz> sommer: and ask around for some help
[16:42] <mathiaz> sommer: since there is a list of items to be done on a wiki page (where?) people can pick up some tasks listed there.
[16:42] <sommer> mathiaz: ya, I've been meaning to do a blog post about the new sections
[16:43] <sommer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicServerGuide is the spec
[16:43] <mathiaz> sommer: great!
[16:44] <mathiaz> anything else to add on the topic of documentation?
[16:44] <sommer> think that's it for me
[16:45] <mathiaz> allright - let's move on then.
[16:45] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu HA team: Cluster stack update
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu HA team: Cluster stack update
[16:45] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: now that you're around - I've given a quick status update earlier in the meeting
[16:46] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: did you get a chance to update the Roadmap?
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHighAvailabilityTeam/Roadmap
[16:46] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: with a brief overview of what needs to be done
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> Well for now, we are just waiting for the Debian packages of pacemaker and heartbeat, since openais sis already in debian experimental, and corosync is about to reach it
[16:47] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: awesome thanks.
[16:47] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - and then all of these packages need to be synced in karmic?
[16:48] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yes
[16:49] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add related to the Cluster stack?
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> we are just gonna wait for debian packages, do our own tests and see if there are any other needed for Ubuntu. Other than that, those packages already contains our changes
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> and that would be it
[16:50] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - keep up the good work.
[16:50] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: and once the packages are in Ubuntu, I'd suggest to write up a blog post to ask for more testing
[16:50] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:51] <mathiaz> Anything else to add?
[16:52] <jmdault> mathiaz: I'm back from vacation and resuming work on Asterisk
[16:52] <mathiaz> jmdault: great!
[16:52] <mathiaz> jmdault: are you up-to-date on what happened in Debian in the mean time?
[16:53] <mathiaz> jmdault: (I'm not)
[16:53] <jmdault> It's more work than I expected, I will have to work with Debian in making newer packages
[16:53] <jmdault> mathiaz: nothing has changed on the Debian side. The dahdi drivers are still 2.0-rc5
[16:53] <jmdault> But the final 2.0 are out from digium, and it fixes some kernel panics
[16:53] <mathiaz> jmdault: ok - is there a wiki page where the plans for Karmic are recorded/outlined?
[16:54] <jmdault> mathiaz: not yet
[16:56] <mathiaz> jmdault: it may be worth spending some time to write a short description of the plan for karmic
[16:56] <mathiaz> jmdault: and get in touch with the debian team to work together.
[16:56] <mathiaz> anything else to add before we wrap up?
[16:56] <jmdault> mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsteriskIntegration ?
[16:56] <mathiaz> jmdault: looks like a good place
[16:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same place, same time?
[16:58] <sommer> +1
[16:59] <mathiaz> allright then.
[16:59] <mathiaz> see you all next week, same place, sime time.
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.