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Agenda

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting
  • Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations
• Natty Development
• Ubuntu Server Team Events

• Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)

• Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)

• Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)

• Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community

• Open Discussion
• Announce next meeting date and time
  • Tuesday, March 22 2011 16:00 UTC

Minutes

Meeting Actions

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, April 14th at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:06] <hallyn> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is hallyn.
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[16:06] <SpamapS> smoser: you forgot the header update.
[16:06] <Daviey> (sorry i'm late, meeting overan)
[16:06] <SpamapS> thats what confused me
[16:06] <smoser> i did?
[16:06] <hallyn> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:07] <smoser> ah. yes.
[16:08] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <hallyn> Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations
[16:08] <hallyn> Daviey: ^ did that happen?
[16:09] <Daviey> hallyn, defer
[16:09] <Daviey> :(
[16:09] <hallyn> [ACTION] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred)
[16:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred)
[16:09] <hallyn> thanks
[16:09] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[16:09] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: around?
[16:09] <hallyn> bleh
[16:10] <hallyn> robbiew: around?
[16:10] <robbiew> yep
[16:10] <robbiew> in terms of development for Natty
[16:10] <robbiew> nothing huge to bring up
[16:11] <SpamapS> upstart ppa would be good
[16:11] <robbiew> I need to look at the burndowns, but overall (given we're in feature freeze)...we're fine there
[16:11] <robbiew> SpamapS: huh?
[16:11] <SpamapS> Sorry I typed and hit enter before thinking ;)
[16:11] <robbiew> there is an upstart ppa
[16:11] <robbiew> ;)
[16:11] <robbiew> bug wise...there's the eucalyptus/dhcp thing
[16:11] <robbiew> and apparently lxc containers broke with latest openstack updates
[16:11] <robbiew> (per zul)
[16:12] <ttx> yay live migration
[16:12] <robbiew> but no OMG! issues...at least not yet ;)
[16:12] <zul> well i got past that part
[16:12] <Daviey> Eucalyptus bug, dhcpd - is still a major concern.
[16:13] <Daviey> bug #717166
[16:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 717166 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken with v4 isc-dhcp-server in Natty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717166
[16:13] <hallyn> Daviey: is everyone who needs to be involved, involved?
[16:13] <Daviey> hallyn, Upstream have been chased - but still no update.
[16:14] <hallyn> no action items to be added here?
[16:14] <Daviey> no.
[16:14] <SpamapS> this is not related to the dhcp server starting before eth0 is up is it?
[16:14] <zul> no
[16:14] <hallyn> robbiew: any more?
[16:15] <robbiew> oh, sorry
[16:15] <robbiew> nope
[16:15] <robbiew> multitasking :/
[16:15] <Daviey> SpamapS, different interface to dhcpd.
[16:15] <hallyn> thanks :)
[16:15] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:15] <hallyn> we're trying to decide on a location for a lxc development mini-conf
[16:16] <hallyn> preferably in august (earlier I can't attend, later is... too late :)
[16:16] <hallyn> any new events?
[16:16] <hallyn> and, btw, should a link to the list of events be on the meeting page or something?
[16:16] <SpamapS> I will be speaking at the mysql UC
[16:17] <SpamapS> en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/
[16:17] <hallyn> date?
[16:17] <SpamapS> April 11 - 14
[16:17] <hallyn> topic? :)
[16:17] <SpamapS> I am speaking on the 13th and will only be ther 13th/14th
[16:17] <SpamapS> "Run Drizzle on Your Narwhal"
[16:17] <hallyn> cool
[16:17] <SpamapS> http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/public/schedule/detail/17640
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/public/schedule/detail/17640
[16:18] <hallyn> oh, hey - ubuntu cloud days counts as an event :)
[16:18] <hallyn> next week wed and thu, be there or be square
[16:18] <zul> Open Stack summit next month as well
[16:18] <hallyn> who all is going?
[16:18] <SpamapS> Right I think thats the next week after the mysql UC
[16:19] <hallyn> zul: are you going to openstack summit?
[16:19] <zul> hallyn: afaik right now yes
[16:19] <hallyn> ok,  anything else?
[16:19] <hallyn> moving on...
[16:19] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:20] <hggdh> we are still blocked on euca
[16:20] <hallyn> the dhcp bug again?
[16:20] <Daviey> yes
[16:20] <hggdh> or still, the bug was open up to last week. I did not receive any updates on it
[16:21] <hggdh> this is starting to be a real issue
[16:21] <hggdh> apart from that, life is good
[16:21] <hggdh> ..
[16:21] <hallyn> any sort of escalation we can do?  (and action here)  or are we jsut stuck waiting?
[16:22] <hggdh> Daviey: ?
[16:22] <Daviey> hallyn, I will post a another follow up, raising urgency
[16:22] <hallyn> [ACTION] Daviey: post another followup one euca-dhcp bug
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey: post another followup one euca-dhcp bug
[16:22] <hallyn> thanks Daviey
[16:22] <hallyn> any questions for hggdh ?
[16:23] <hallyn> moving on,
[16:23] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:23] <smb> \o
[16:23] <smb> So last week mainly was
[16:23] <smb> * working on some multipath debugging
[16:24] <smb> * looking into some patches proposed for xen and finding there is much more to do (currently doing that)
[16:24] <smb> smoser, btw all the requested patches are in Natty
[16:24] <smoser> smb, in a archive kernel ?
[16:24] <smoser> or were they already
[16:24] <smb> smoser, So if it does not work there (t1.micro and java) it may be something else
[16:25] <smoser> it does not work. at least last i tested.
[16:25] <smoser> it is extremely easy to test
[16:25] <smb> All patches seemed to be in since 2.6.37
[16:25] <smoser> yeah, i commented in that bug about the version i tested
[16:26] <hallyn> thanks, smb. any questions for him?
[16:26] <smb> Anyway it makes (unfortunately, as it is a lot of work) sense to sync our lucid-ec2 with upstream opensuse
[16:26] <smoser> i verified it was present in vmlinuz-2.6.38-2-virtual
[16:27] <smb> hallyn, one thing was your backports of kvm patches too. Sent them up today and nudged for a second ack for our lucid tree
[16:27] <smoser> smb, there is discussion in bug 732046
[16:27] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 732046 in linux (Ubuntu) "Missing filesystem modules in -virtual package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732046
[16:27] <hallyn> smb: yup, thanks, saw that
[16:27] <smoser> brought up by loic. we have a need for some -virtual module  or config work
[16:27] <smb> smoser, Yeah, I should look into that probably today
[16:27] <smb> I think its just missing statements in including files
[16:28] <smoser> ?
[16:28] <smoser> i'm confused
[16:28] <smoser> the config defintely needs improving to include filesystem modules
[16:28] <smoser> that is true
[16:28] <hallyn> [ACTION] smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046
[16:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046
[16:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 732046 in linux (Ubuntu) "Missing filesystem modules in -virtual package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732046
[16:28] <smoser> but the larger issue is the divergence from -server, which i think is inevitable
[16:29] <smb> smoser, I think the problem is that there is the config and the build modules, but I also saw some sort of use-this-for-packaging file
[16:29] <smb> Maybe a bit of a leftover from having virtual not be a real falvour
[16:29] <smoser> ok. well i will certainly defer to you on that.
[16:29] <smoser> going forward, i would ike -vrtual to be
[16:29] <hallyn> can you guys follow up on this offline then?  Sounds like there is some discussion to be had.
[16:29] <smoser> a.) slimmer than -server
[16:30] <smoser> b.) "just work" for as many hypervisors as possible (including built-in)
[16:30] <smoser> sure.
[16:30] <smoser> moving on
[16:30] <hallyn> thanks.  smb, anything else, else i'll move on
[16:30] <smb> I am done
[16:30] <hallyn> thanks
[16:30] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:31] <hallyn> sommer is not here
[16:31] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:31] <hallyn> do we have a proxy for the community?
[16:31] <ivoks> :)
[16:31] <hallyn> we have a volunteer!
[16:32] <kim0> hey guys
[16:32] <kim0> just want to mention
[16:32] <hallyn> ivoks: with natty release coming up...  anything in particular concerning you?
[16:32] <kim0> that cloud days is next Wed 23-24
[16:32] <kim0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays
[16:32] <ivoks> hallyn: add vlan package to CD and possibly instaled by default
[16:32] <kim0> Please spread the news :)
[16:33] <ttx> was wondering about the "Ubuntu Server Task Forces", should we still push that for Natty ?
[16:33] <ttx> Daviey: ^ still on your radar ?
[16:33] <hallyn> ivoks: wasn't there a blueprint regarding vlan?
[16:33] <ivoks> s/instaled/install/
[16:33] <ivoks> i'm not aware of...
[16:33] <SpamapS> kim0: are there open slots for topics?
[16:33] <ivoks> hallyn: i've been out of server development for some time
[16:33] <kim0> SpamapS: We can always increase it
[16:33] <ttx> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-server
[16:33] <kim0> so yes absolutely
[16:33] <Daviey> ttx, yes!
[16:33] <kim0> SpamapS: what would you like to shoot
[16:34] <Daviey> ttx, Will talk out of band to you.
[16:34] <SpamapS> kim0: I was thinking about doing an ensemble demo.
[16:34] <hallyn> SpamapS: cool!
[16:34] <kim0> SpamapS: mm that would be awesome :)
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: indeed
[16:34] <SpamapS> I'll ask the ensemble team if they'd like to be involved.
[16:35] <SpamapS> kim0: will get back to you tomorrow (no need for an ACTION item ;)
[16:35] <ivoks> hallyn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-virtual-networking ?
[16:35] <kim0> SpamapS: perhaps it could be two sessions .. one explaining concepts, and one a hands on demo
[16:35] <ivoks> hallyn: no, that's not it... this is cloud related
[16:35] <SpamapS> kim0: sure.. I like to start w/ the demo, then explain what sort of black magic we just did. ;)
[16:35]  * kim0 nods
[16:35] <hallyn> ivoks: but that's the one i was thinking i'm afraid
[16:36] <ivoks> hallyn: issue we have is that if you install ubuntu server in an evironment where VLAN is requried to get internet access, you are in pain
[16:36] <ivoks> (at least on lucid, vlan package isn't even on CD)
[16:36] <SpamapS> there's a "vlan" package?
[16:36] <ivoks> yes
[16:37] <hallyn> ivoks: sounds like a good request for UDS-o decision?
[16:37] <SpamapS> I would have thought ifconfig can handle it
[16:37] <ivoks> SpamapS: vconfig
[16:37] <ivoks> and ifconfig is old and obsolete
[16:37] <zul> yes
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> vlan tagging is done by switches, but if you use a linux box to do vlan tagging then yes it is needed
[16:38] <ivoks> hallyn: sure
[16:38] <hallyn> do we have a list of server uds topics started yet, that we could add this to?
[16:39] <zul> hallyn: not yet
[16:39] <ivoks> we had package review every uds; i hope that didn't change :)
[16:39] <zul> oh it has :)
[16:39] <ivoks> it was always best fun :)
[16:40] <hallyn> ok, there seems to be no good place to stash this action right now.  I'll put it in my tickler for may
[16:40]  * ttx has a few ideas for universe demotin that would clear up plenty of CD space.
[16:40] <hallyn> ttx: and youll be bringing those up?
[16:40] <hallyn> at uds?
[16:40] <ttx> hallyn: not sure that would be politically correct, but yes, I'll be there
[16:40] <SpamapS> ttx: we're not getting rid of eucalyptus damnit!
[16:40] <ivoks> :)
[16:40] <ttx> oops.
[16:40] <SpamapS> sheesh.. openstack guys think they invented post-its
[16:40]  * hallyn slaps his forehead
[16:41] <SpamapS> ;)
[16:41] <hallyn> all right, moving on :)
[16:41] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Open Discussio
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussio
[16:41] <hallyn> n
[16:41] <hallyn> DST is not a valid topic.  anything else?
[16:41] <SpamapS> Does anyone feel that the meeting format needs some streamlining?
[16:41] <hallyn> nah
[16:42] <ivoks> can't tell... this is my first in a long time
[16:42] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:42] <hallyn> Tuesday, March 22 2011 16:00 UTC
[16:42] <hallyn> thanks, everyone
[16:42] <hallyn> #endmeeting