UbuntuDev-2006-09-14
09:03 rodarvus good morning
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09:03 mdz missing BenC
09:04 mdz seb128: will you start us off this morning?
09:04 seb128 Done:
09:04 seb128 - bug triage, bug triage, bug triage
09:04 seb128 - bug day
09:04 seb128 - caugth up with desktop-list mails lag
09:04 seb128 - VAC
09:04 seb128 - desktop CD testing
09:04 seb128 .
09:04 seb128 To do:
09:04 seb128 - keep triaging bugs and fix some of them too
09:04 pitti seb128: your Karma will hit 10M very soon, I guess :)
09:04 mdz seb128: do you feel older?
09:05 seb128 mdz: no, I feel wiser though :p
09:05 dholbach haha
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09:05 seb128 ;)
09:05 seb128 pitti: right ;)
09:05 mdz seb128: did you test whether your usplash problem is fixed?
09:05 seb128 pitti: I'm first now, waouh :p
09:06 seb128 mdz: yep, works fine now, I let mjg59 know when I tried
09:06 mdz ok, cool, thanks
09:06 seb128 np
09:06 mdz infinity: next?
09:06 infinity Done
09:06 infinity * Assisted with the Knot-3 release (ongoing), including archive admin tasks and chasing up a mess of related soyuz issues.
09:06 infinity * General liasing with Team Soyuz regarding bugs affecting distro recently/currently.
09:06 infinity * General buildd mangling and processing.
09:06 infinity * Bootstrapped fpc for MOTU.
09:06 infinity * Finished stacked-livefs, but didn't roll it out in production for fear of hiseously breaking the knot-3 release with the (inevitable) bugs. Will roll it out for dailies after knot-3 is out.
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09:07 infinity To do
09:07 infinity * Roll out stacked-livefs
09:07 infinity * Get ddeb exports working with pitti
09:07 infinity * Lots of bug triaging and fixing
09:07 infinity Err, "other random faff" in the "done" section, like a php5 upstream bump, etc.
09:07 mdz infinity: did you do the seed changes for larger-livefs?
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09:07 pitti infinity: oh, cool, you did the PHP merge? thanks
09:07 infinity mdz: No, haven't done the new seed, though I can commit it later.
09:08 infinity pitti: Yeah, it's in queue/unapproved, waiting for knot-3 to fly.
09:08 pitti \o/
09:08 mdz infinity: have you and Kamion worked out what changes need to be made there?
09:08 Mithrandir infinity: (psst, it's flights that flew, knots are tied, or something.)
09:08 infinity Mithrandir: Thpt.
09:08 sfllaw Not another knot joke.
09:09 Keybuk They're totally knot funny at this time in the morning
09:09 infinity mdz: Should be a straightforward additoin to the structure to place it above live.
09:09 infinity mdz: I'll test with germinate to make sure I'm not on crack, of course, and pass it by Colin before I blow up the world.
09:10 mdz infinity: ok, that's well behind schedule now, please make sure that it lands immediately after knot-3
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09:10 mdz infinity: thanks
09:10 mdz doko: next
09:11 doko status:
09:11 doko - edgy-toolchain: implemented
09:11 doko - edgy-toolchain+1: no status change, opening of edgy+1 needed,
09:11 doko test rebuilds of the archive needed.
09:11 doko - python-roadmap: beta available, need to go over the list of
09:11 doko application packages in main.
09:11 doko - python2.5: beta available, extension packages are built for
09:11 doko 2.4 and 2.5, rc2 in the archive; needs an update for the final
09:11 doko 2.5 release. will not be the default python in edgy.
09:11 doko - java-roadmap: good progress, classpath-0.92 based gcj in the
09:11 doko archive, packages providing jni bindings built natively, built
09:11 doko the core java packages as native (-gcj) packages.
09:11 doko - openoffice.org-l10n: delayed
09:11 doko this week:
09:11 doko - java: ia32-libs updates, fixed issues with the 32bit gcj.
09:11 doko - openoffice.org: 2.0.4 rc1 updates, native amd64 packages,
09:11 doko provide test packages for all architectures. look at glibc/kernel
09:11 doko build problems on sparc, build failures on standard edgy (OOo
09:11 doko currently only builds in the data center and on the buildd's),
09:11 doko not in a new edgy installation.
09:11 doko - other: OOoCon, looking at python2.5 related build bugs.
09:11 doko next week:
09:11 doko - openoffice.org updates?
09:12 doko - OOo bug triage
09:12 doko - hplip update, demanded by several users (sync from debian).
09:12 mdz doko: has the oo.o event been useful?
09:12 fabbione doko: OOo builds here. it might specfic to faure the problem.
09:12 doko mdz: yes, I'll summarize on warthogs.
09:13 mdz doko: 2.0.4rc1 is running well here
09:13 doko fabbione: so let's use standard kernels in the data center (did you build until you had the .deb's?)
09:13 mdz doko: do you know if printing in oo.o is in shape for edgy? it would be a good idea to talk with tkamppeter
09:14 fabbione doko: yes full build. afaik sparc uses standard kernels at the DC. it might be a race condition on smp code specific for that cpu
09:14 doko mdz: last week when I checked on i386, yes. I can test printing tomorrow again
09:14 fabbione doko: anyway we will dig that out.. just upload.. the buildd have UP kernel anyway
09:15 Keybuk fabbione: elmo using a standard kernel? that'll be the day <g>
09:15 mdz doko: if there are any open printing bugs, be sure to subscribe ubuntu-printing
09:15 mdz then he'll see them
09:15 fabbione Keybuk: at least faure does.
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09:15 mdz is this build failure new with rc1?
09:15 doko mdz: I'm part of the printing group
09:15 doko mdz: sparc?
09:15 mdz doko: sure, but that's the list that tkamppeter is using
09:16 doko the other one: the same as in dapper, sometimes to reproduce on the buildd's, sometimes not (maybe infinity remembers)
09:16 doko mdz: yes, same list
09:16 mdz doko: my point is that he will look at the printing-related bugs if that team is subscribed, and if not, he won't see them
09:17 mdz doko: the build failure is only sparc?
09:17 doko mdz: you can see all printing related reports in the package view.
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09:17 mdz doko: hmm? I do not understand what you mean
09:18 doko there are two build failures: apparently the sparc specific one can only be reproduced on faure, the other one can be reproduced on a standard edgy setup, but not on the buildd's and in the data center
09:18 pitti doko: you mean https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-printing/+packagebugs ?
09:18 doko mdz: I mean https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-printing/+packagebugs
09:19 mdz doko: that only shows packages where ubuntu-printing is a bug contact
09:19 pitti OO.o is not a bug contact of u-printing
09:19 mdz doko: whereas there are open printing bugs filed against oo.o
09:20 doko mdz: so you do want the printing group a subscribe of all OOo printing bug reports?
09:20 mdz doko: yes, all printing-related bug reports regardless of the package
09:20 mdz so that till and other printing team members see them
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09:20 doko ok, doing that today or tomorrow
09:21 mdz doko: thank you. is there a schedule for python 2.5 final?
09:21 doko mdz: Sep 18
09:21 mdz oh good, soon
09:21 pitti doko: please not
09:22 pitti doko: oh, wait, please do
09:22 mdz pitti: hmm? :-)
09:22 pitti doko: (I thought you meant making u-printing a bug contact of OO.o)
09:22 mdz doko: I will be sending an email about opening edgy+1, should go out tomorrow
09:22 doko pitti: sure, if you will work on OOo reports ,p
09:22 Keybuk f*censored* f*gagged*! :p
09:23 doko mdz: we currently don't have a posisbility of doing throw-away builds?
09:23 Keybuk (though I prefer funky, which Mark changed the name to in the screenshots :p)
09:23 mdz doko: we'll find a way
09:23 mdz Keybuk: I will attempt to hold that discussion without addressing that particular question
09:24 mdz doko: ok, thanks
09:24 mdz iwj: next
09:24 iwj package-dependency-field-breaks: A couple of examples deployed, one (well, one source, many binaries) in the default install. Need to go through and change more packages.
09:24 iwj suggest-packages-for-filetypes: Deployed.
09:24 iwj automated-testing-deployment: No change since last report.
09:24 iwj firefox beta 2 merge: Done except for a quick final test and upload.
09:24 iwj todo: bugfixing, automated-testing-deployment, add some more Breakses.
09:25 mdz iwj,mvo: are any of the existing breaks test cases exercised by the dist-upgrade test?
09:25 iwj mdz: I need a UVF exception for firefox ...
09:25 iwj mdz: The m-f-l-all should be exercised by it.
09:26 doko mdz: what was the decision / further steps about OOo?
09:26 iwj That is, breezy's packages match the breaks in dapper's m-f-l-all.
09:26 mdz I'm not sure which set of packages the dist-upgrader starts with; if it gets language-support-en then that's certainly there
09:26 mdz doko: what's the question?
09:26 mvo mdz: the problem with hte breaks on upgrade is that the upgrader needs to use a new dpkg/apt to pre-caclulate the upgrade to see if it will work
09:26 Kamion iwj: s/breezy/dapper; s/in dapper/in edgy/ ?
09:26 iwj Sorry, yes.
09:26 mdz mvo: doesn't the dist-upgrader handle that?
09:27 doko mdz: upload to edgy? upload to edgy with the native amd64 packages as a default?
09:27 mdz doko: if the build failure is new in this version, that needs to be fixed first
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09:27 mdz doko: regarding amd64, wasn't it only yesterday that you asked for testing? was there any feedback? how well do they work for you?
09:27 mvo mdz: it could install apt/dpkg early, but to make it possible to undo the upgrade fully, we would have to downgrade apt again (or LD_PRELOAD it or something)
09:28 mdz doko: do you feel that it's clearly solid enough for a feature freeze exception?
09:28 iwj mvo: I had the impression you'd done that, or at least decided to and it was easy ...
09:29 mdz mvo: so long as the apt upgrade succeeds, I don't think it's necessary to try to downgrade it if a later step fails
09:29 mdz the system should still be consistent
09:30 infinity An apt upgrade will mean a libc and libstdc++ upgrade, though.
09:30 doko mdz: I'll recheck the printing first. the build failure is the same I do see with 2.0.3 in edgy.
09:30 infinity Among other things.
09:30 iwj We could build the new apt against dapper if that would help.
09:30 mdz iwj: regarding firefox and UVF, yes, we're committed and more or less have to push ahead with it
09:30 mvo what infinity said, and pressing cacncel won't undo all the stuff anymore
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09:31 iwj mdz: Right, that's what I thought, but I wanted the formal go-ahead. Thanks.
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09:31 mdz I've exchanged email with Mike Schroepfer at mozilla and he feels there's a reasonable chance that they'll make it in time for us to release with final
09:31 iwj mdz: I'll believe it when I see it.
09:31 mdz they should roll an RC soon, so at worst we should have that
09:31 mdz iwj: one thing, we need to change the Bon Echo branding to Firefox
09:31 iwj mdz: The problem with the dist-upgrader is that it purports to show you what it's going to do before it does anything.
09:32 mdz apparently all of the betas and RCs can be called firefox 2
09:32 iwj mdz: I would like some feedback from upstream before I do that.
09:32 iwj Oh, really.
09:32 mdz iwj: I'll forward you the email from schrep
09:32 iwj I'm not sure where to frob it, either. It seems quite pervasive.
09:32 iwj email> Thanks.
09:32 mdz they must have a knob somewhere
09:33 iwj I'll see if I can find it.
09:33 mdz we can ask if it's not obvious
09:33 iwj Mmm.
09:33 iwj Can we get back to this dist-upgrader thing ? It doesn't seem settled.
09:34 mdz iwj: how much of automated-testing-deployment is you and how much will be sysadmin, do you reckon?
09:34 mdz either the dist-upgrader can accomodate breaks in this upgrade, or it can't. if it can't, we presumably can't use breaks in edgy
09:34 iwj I'm going to deploy it on a machine here first and when that's sorted and working for a month or two then elmo won't look at me like I'm mad when I say I want him to install it.
09:35 lifeless mad, muahah.
09:35 lifeless *sorry*
09:35 iwj mdz: In general it seems to be that because the dist-upgrader wants to show the user what it's going to do, it needs to do one of:
09:35 mdz iwj: sounds like deferral to edgy+1 then
09:35 iwj 1. partially commit by upgrading apt
09:35 mvo I would like to try a solution that involves downloading a new apt, unpacking it and using LD_* magic to use the new code. I think being able to cancel without any permant changes on the system is important
09:35 iwj 2. LD_PRELOAD
09:35 iwj 3. Use algorithms from the previous release.
09:36 mdz I think you and mvo should follow up on this together after the meeting; I can chime in if needed before I crash
09:36 Mithrandir mvo: that sounds almost as crackful as just using LVM snapshots and rolling back if the upgrade fails, else commit it.
09:36 iwj mdz: OK.
09:36 mdz iwj: thanks
09:36 pitti btw, wrt firefox, many other big distros upgrade their stables from 1.0.x to 1.5.x; so Debian and we are pretty much alone now when it comes to security patch backporting :( so we still have a problem
09:36 lifeless Mithrandir: I didn't think LVM snapshots had rollback yet
09:36 lifeless just snapshot and point in time access
09:36 pitti iwj: I think we have to re-consider upgrading breezy to 1.5 again :/
09:36 mdz zul: hi?
09:36 zul mdz: hi
09:36 iwj pitti: Hmmmm.
09:37 fabbione lifeless: you just mount the other snapshot to roll back
09:37 lifeless fabbione: ah, *duh me*
09:37 pitti iwj: I'd give up on hoary, it's EOLed in a month anyway; but we have to do sth. about breezy
09:37 mdz zul: would you like to present an update?
09:37 zul sure
09:37 mvo Mithrandir: that would be interessting anyway (if feasible at all)
09:37 zul tis week: xen bug fixing, kernel security updates, bug triaging
09:37 fabbione mvo: that's something elmo and I discussed at UDU and it's not possible
09:38 zul next week: xen bug fixing, update wiki, bug triagin
09:38 mdz zul: wiki?
09:38 iwj pitti: I don't know if dapper's source builds on breezy but it might not be so far off.
09:38 zul yeah i renamed the xen kernels so they are more in line with the edgy kernels
09:38 mvo fabbione: ok
09:39 Mithrandir zul: we need to app a suffix to the version or something so we won't end up with a conflict with the regular kernel packages over /lib/modules.
09:39 Mithrandir s/app/add/
09:39 mdz zul: do you have a wiki page which explains how to get up and running with the xen packages?
09:39 fabbione Mithrandir: uh why? xen is at .16 and we are at .17
09:40 mdz fabbione: sheer luck ;-)
09:40 zul mdz: yes just need to update it reflecting the changes
09:40 Mithrandir fabbione: for now, yes. What happens when we're suddenly both at .18 or .19?
09:40 mdz zul: are you going to make me hunt for it? :-)
09:40 fabbione mdz: the day we can ship from the same source, we can merge into one kernel.. problem goes away
09:40 fabbione Mithrandir: ^^
09:40 mdz fabbione: we will see
09:40 zul mdz: no of course not ;)
09:40 fabbione the only reason why we did never merge is because xen is always behind
09:41 mdz zul: is it XenOnEdgy?
09:41 zul yes
09:41 mdz ok
09:41 mdz thanks
09:41 mdz dholbach: next
09:41 dholbach Done:
09:41 dholbach * HUG DAY
09:41 dholbach * Bug Triage
09:41 dholbach * Started Telepathy Team
09:41 dholbach TODO:
09:41 dholbach * more Bug Triage
09:41 dholbach * another REVU DAY (next week)
09:41 dholbach * start apt-get.org reviewing
09:41 dholbach * more work on art-builder
09:41 dholbach * more Telepathy
09:42 mdz dholbach: has anyone stepped up to do real work on telepathy?
09:42 mdz dholbach: how far along is art-builder? I've received inquiries
09:42 dholbach mdz: we have 3 people working quite actively on packaging (apart from me), they're doing good work and they're going to be good MOTUs
09:43 mdz cool!
09:43 dholbach mdz: i'll put more effort into it today and tomorrow and on the WE - next week I should have something presentable
09:43 mdz dholbach: ok, thanks
09:43 mdz heno: next
09:43 dholbach de rien
09:44 heno Done:
09:44 heno * Assistive technology desktop integration for Edgy -- patches prepared with Chris Jones for gnome-at-preferences and Orca -- BLOCKED - these need review and inclusion by a core dev
09:44 heno * onBoard: Ready for inclusion in main and the CD -- BLOCKED -- needs review and inclusion by a core dev
09:44 heno * ubiquity: Working with upstream and Chris on making an Orca script for Ubiquity to make it more suitable for screen reader use
09:44 heno * Meetings with ACE and ComputerAid charities to talk about a11y collaborations.
09:44 heno * Completed the OpenCD v4.0
09:44 heno To Do:
09:44 heno * Testing Live CD a11y, esp. with ubiquity-Orca script
09:44 heno * Holiday / Move to Oslo
09:44 heno * REQUEST: Could everyone here please run Edgy with AT-SPI switched on for just 20 minutes or so? There is a crash bug (#56452) that we are having a tough time getting a good backtrace on. Many users are seeing it, but it has not yet appeared for any core devs. Thanks!
09:44 mdz heno: those patches sound like they probably need a FF exception, too; please email
09:44 Mithrandir heno: when's the housewarming party? :-)
09:44 mdz heno: are there new winfoss tarballs accompanying opencd 4.0?
09:45 heno mdz: yes, that's why I was getting a bit worried, will do
09:45 dholbach heno: I tried to get a backtrace from at-spi-registryd for quite a while, I'm sorry I was not successful yet. :-/
09:45 heno Mithrandir: weekend after next I guess :)
09:45 Mithrandir heno: woo. :-)
09:45 heno mdz: I'll do those afterwards with fresher packages
09:45 mdz heno: good luck with your move; keep me informed if your schedule changes
09:45 Kamion heno: that's the "start up orca from /usr/bin/ubiquity" thing? I'll try to remember to do that in the next upload
09:46 heno looking to use FF 2 for example
09:46 mdz heno: thanks
09:46 heno mdz: thanks!
09:46 mdz Mithrandir: next
09:46 Mithrandir * misc: Knot 3 release (ongoing), some bug fixing, played a bit with Xen.
09:46 Mithrandir * blocked on: nothing
09:46 pitti heno: is that 'enable assistive technologies' (freely translated) in System->Settings?
09:46 Mithrandir * next week: X bugs
09:46 mdz Mithrandir: anything special on the hit list for knot 3?
09:46 Mithrandir (argh, network)
09:46 heno Kamion: it's more of a fix on the Orca side, I'll email you a summary
09:47 Keybuk Mithrandir: the upstart update should be in now
09:47 heno pitti: yes
09:47 Keybuk at least, the binaries built and didn't show up in unapproved
09:47 Mithrandir mdz: we've had a series of problems, but I think they're all fixed now.
09:47 Mithrandir Keybuk: I hope they were in an hour ago too?
09:47 mdz Mithrandir: are the daily heath checks useful?
09:47 Kamion heno: ok, thanks
09:47 Keybuk Mithrandir: about 9 hours ago
09:48 Mithrandir mdz: they're not good enough yet; I need to work with Colin on reordering the information there, I think.
09:48 seb128 Mithrandir: did you figure what causes that mono looking for the config at the wrong place?
09:48 Kamion I do need to apply suggestions from mdz
09:48 Kamion on the health checks, to make them less noisy for the release team
09:48 mdz I think I sent an email last week or so
09:48 Mithrandir seb128: unionfs/kernel bug, I think; I filed a bug on launchpad-integration about the same problem.
09:48 mdz but email is sort of a blur
09:48 Kamion you did, I just haven't applied the suggestion yet
09:49 Mithrandir seb128: I _can_ work around it in casper, but it's not ideal and might cause pain for Colin
09:49 seb128 Mithrandir: I've seen the lpi one
09:49 Mithrandir seb128: that's the one
09:49 mdz ok, thanks Mithrandir
09:49 mdz pitti: next
09:49 Kamion Mithrandir: #ubuntu-devel, but what's the candidate casper workaround?
09:49 pitti Done:
09:49 pitti * security updates: X.org/libxfont, mailman, coordination for kernel
09:49 pitti * finished cups 1.2.3 merge & upstream version upgrade
09:49 pitti * gnutls12->13 transition: done everything but gutenprint; this package was merged by tkamppeter, to be uploaded after knot-3
09:49 pitti * caught up on my overflowing bugs inbox
09:49 pitti * fixed high-profile langpack-o-matic bug, new edgy langpacks; BLOCKED: dapper needs an urgent update, too, we need *-updates back
09:49 pitti * started bug fixing in various packages (mainly hal and apport)
09:49 pitti * CD testing
09:49 pitti Todo:
09:49 pitti * more CD testing
09:49 pitti * more security updates
09:49 pitti * collect low-hanging fruits out of the bug firehose and fix them
09:49 pitti * care for php 5.1.6 and mysql merges if infinity's workload is too high
09:49 pitti * apt-get-debug-symbols: provide ddebs on people.u.c, BLOCKED: buildds need to export them first
09:50 mdz pitti: how is till's learning of packaging coming along?
09:50 pitti mdz: after a few rounds of discussion the gutenprint merge now looks fine
09:50 pitti I taught him about a few specifics, otherwise it's going well AFAICS
09:50 mdz pitti: updates can start to be considered again after the new policy and procedures are finalized and published; it's due Friday
09:50 pitti the merge took a while, naturally
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09:50 pitti ah, thanks for the update heads-up
09:51 mvo_ sorry, network
09:51 mdz pitti: what's the nature of the blockage regarding ddebs?
09:51 infinity mdz: pitti and I just need a quick meeting and deployment day, scheduled for early next week.
09:51 mdz ok
09:51 mdz round tuits
09:51 pitti mdz: the buildds need to use the translation tarball magic to http-export ddebs
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09:51 infinity Always with the round tuits.
09:51 mdz pitti: thanks
09:52 mdz fschoep: next?
09:52 fschoep Done:
09:52 fschoep * usplash-artwork: contact Seveas to get a basic design in
09:52 fschoep * ubuntu-art-polish-human-icons: get approval from sabdfl
09:52 fschoep Ongoing:
09:52 fschoep * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: decide on color tweaks based on artwork direction
09:52 fschoep * community-artwork: polish and rework parts to sabdfl's liking, fix outstanding bugs
09:52 fschoep * sound-themes: tweaking and polishing of sounds
09:52 fschoep * ubuntu-art-polish-human-icons: contact Dave today
09:52 fschoep * theme-teams: (try to) package their work
09:52 mdz fschoep: how has the artwork drop at feature freeze been received?
09:52 fschoep mdz: mixed reactions really
09:52 mdz reactions usually are ;-)
09:52 fschoep mdz: most important thing is that sabdfl isn't happy yet
09:52 fschoep mdz: and he's my client ;)
09:53 mdz the opinions of the rest of the world count as well, though
09:53 Keybuk fschoep: if you cause last minute artwork changes ... we know where you live <g>
09:53 fschoep mdz: I wanted to gauge public opinion with Knot 3
09:53 fschoep Keybuk: great, you're all invited since it's bound to happen
09:53 mdz if sabdfl is the *only* one who is pleased, we haven't done the best job ;-)
09:53 mdz fschoep: get something into the knot 3 release announcement?
09:53 fschoep mdz: Uh, didn't pay attention yet, can I still get something in?
09:54 dholbach fschoep: ask Burgundavia
09:54 mdz fschoep: yes, coordinate with Mithrandir
09:54 fschoep OK, great - I'll do that
09:54 dholbach oh, well...
09:54 mdz fschoep: it's not out yet but sounds close
09:54 mdz fschoep: thanks
09:54 mdz mvo_: next
09:54 fschoep mdz: thanks
=== pitti really likes the new sounds
09:54 Mithrandir fschoep: from my officemates I've had numerous comments along the lines of "wow, that's edgy"? (for the gdm screen), so that's good.
09:54 mvo_ Did:
09:54 mvo_ - added popcon/ddtp to UWN make sure the new features get popular
09:54 mvo_ - Bugtriage
09:54 mvo_ - Bugfixing (g-a-i, apt, u-m, vmware-player, ...)
09:54 mvo_ - Google SoC/apt-sync
09:54 mvo_ - Fix performance regression in aptitude/synaptic
09:54 mvo_ - comand-not-found spec database updated
09:54 mvo_ - ddtp description database updated, added more scripts to automate it
09:54 mvo_ - improved auto-dist-upgrader testing script, ran it (we do not look good :/)
09:55 mvo_ Will do:
09:55 mvo_ - bugs
09:55 mvo_ - more "frontend" work for the auto-dist-upgrade tester, make it a real package and encourage users to run it to simulate a dist-upgrade
09:55 mvo_ - investigate what to do with the dist-upgrader and early upgrading of apt
09:55 Kamion pitti: they're ok but a bit too lengthy
09:55 fschoep Mithrandir: GDM is one of sabdfl (and the whole martketing dept's) worst nightmares so it's bound to change ;)
09:55 Keybuk THE GLOW WAS IMPORTANT! </jdub> ?
09:55 mdz mvo_: do you know if the hostid in popularity-contest is used for anything important? if so, we might have some work to do
09:56 Kamion yeah, pre-knot-3 ubiquity wasn't reconfiguring it
09:56 mvo_ mdz: I don't know, sorry. but I can check it out
09:56 mdz mvo_: I like the idea of user testing of the upgrader
09:56 Kamion now, this does mean that at least there was a different one for every livefs build ;-)
09:56 mvo_ mdz: do you have privacy concerns about the hostid?
09:56 mdz mvo_: no, it's just as Kamion says
09:57 mdz it's not as unique as it should be
09:57 mdz so we should check if that's affecting the stats
09:57 Kamion unfortunately there isn't just one hostid that we can check for and forcibly reconfigure
09:57 Kamion there are lots
09:57 Kamion however, perhaps we should collate a list of the most common ones and forcibly reconfigure them in an upgrade
09:57 Kamion popularity-contest already does this for certain hostids
09:57 mdz Kamion: we could upload popcon nowish and have all upgrades from earlier versions reconfigure
09:57 mdz it does? how interesting
09:57 Burgundavia fschoep, Keybuk: the darkness of the current gdm is my primary concern
09:58 mdz anyway, time is short
09:58 mdz mvo_: thanks
09:58 mdz Keybuk: next
09:58 fschoep Burgundavia: I got the memo ;)
09:58 Keybuk Done:
09:58 Keybuk * Bug fix upload of upstart
09:58 Keybuk * Debugged hang on sparc and ppc64
09:58 Keybuk * BootMessageLogging: implemented
09:58 Keybuk To do:
09:58 Keybuk * Seed upstart-logd, update ubuntu-minimal
09:58 Keybuk * Fix "quiet" bug
09:58 Keybuk * Add output to checkfs and checkroot for when the disks get checked, and cryptdisk for password
09:58 Keybuk * Teardown Part Deux
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09:58 mdz Keybuk: my boot messages aren't logged
09:58 mdz potpal:[~] cat /var/log/boot
09:58 mdz (Nothing has been logged yet.)
09:59 infinity mdz: Known bug, I annoyed him about it earlier.
09:59 Keybuk mdz: right, I didn't get a chance to seed the required package before the ice queen descended on the distro
09:59 infinity mdz: The logger is missing from the seeds.
09:59 pitti ('me too')
09:59 mdz ok
09:59 mdz Keybuk: upstart bug list seems pretty tame
09:59 Keybuk mdz: yes, I rock
09:59 mdz Keybuk: almost...too quiet
09:59 Keybuk the worst bug we had was the ppc64/sparc one
10:00 infinity I guess I should statr filing bugs.
10:00 mdz Keybuk: good press too
10:00 zul Keybuk: is the "quiet" bug something that the quiet grub patch caused?
10:00 Keybuk fwict, it largely just works for everyone
10:00 Keybuk zul: no, just my bad spelling
10:00 mdz Keybuk: thanks
10:00 zul Keybuk: ah ok
10:00 Keybuk it works if you boot with "quite" :p
10:00 mdz fabbione: next
10:00 fabbione Done
10:00 fabbione * Catchup after all this time away has been priority.
10:00 fabbione * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: completed. we are in bug fixing mode. Only one/two GFS2 bugs left to fix and one bug in the resource manager that must be fixed before release. Considerting to add a set of NFS kernel/userland patches to handle properly NSF exports failovers.
10:00 fabbione * pkgsum.u.c is up and running. the client is in the archive but still need testing.
10:00 fabbione * edgy-sparc: not much done other than bug fixing. edgy did introduce a set of weird bugs that are slowly being worked out. Problem is that they are all in chain. silo that doesn't boot .17 with bigger initrd, lvm segfaulting etc... work in userland has been generally more difficult than usual.
10:00 fabbione To do
10:00 fabbione * Fix root on raid (dapper -> edgy regression).
10:00 fabbione * Start test install of edgy on sparc.
10:00 fabbione * Bug fixing in general.
10:01 mdz fabbione: please add pkgsum to the list for UWN so that it's featured in an upcoming issue
10:01 fabbione mdz: once it's tested i will do it
10:01 mdz fabbione: the point is to get testing for it ;-)
10:01 fabbione mdz: also the udeb is still in universe and to be useful it needs to be on CD
10:02 fabbione mdz: it's not easy to test without CD first and i was waiting knot-3 to get it there in a daily
10:02 mdz fabbione: could you send me email with details of the outstanding sparc issues? no time to discuss right now
10:02 fabbione mdz: sure.
10:02 mdz fabbione: thanks
10:02 mdz Kamion: next
10:03 Kamion Done:
10:03 Kamion sane-installer-keyboard: Mopped up a couple of loose ends, but surprisingly I'm not seeing too many issues here. The biggest ones I've noticed are that UK keyboards aren't detected properly, which I've punted to smurfix for the time being, and some problems with preseeding. We might get some more bugs coming in here after Knot 3.
10:03 Kamion usplash: Fixed up bogl backend so that usplash works on powerpc, at least for me and (more urgently) kwwii. I've had to stop working on this for the time being though - see Blocked.
10:03 Kamion misc: SoC review (project successful, need to tidy up a few loose ends but I expect to merge it for Edgy+1). Some cdebconf/debconf enhancements which will help us clean up a lot of total madness down the line. A bunch of ubiquity bug-fixing work.
10:03 Kamion Blocked:
10:03 Kamion usplash: Bug 60183 is effectively preventing me from doing much more on usplash for the time being.
10:03 Ubugtu Malone bug 60183 in linux-source-2.6.17 "oops while running usplash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60183
10:03 Kamion To do:
10:03 Kamion ubiquity: Get the bug list under something resembling control, and knock off more of the frequently-reported issues: I have concrete plans for several of them.
10:03 Kamion usplash: Work on tasksel enhancements needed to make resolution detection on fresh (d-i) install work properly. I've cleared the general idea here with joeyh.
10:03 mdz 60183 -> eek
10:04 Kamion I have no idea what's calling vfs_unlink; usplash doesn't call unlink itself
10:04 Kamion but it's entirely consistent, the trace is basically the same every time and I can reproduce more or less at will
10:04 mdz anyone else able to confirm it?
10:04 mdz Kamion: has the point release reduced the ubiquity bug torrent?
10:05 Kamion it is possible that my local usplash modifications make it more likely to crash; it is one of those bugs with the annoying property that, the more you try to debug something else, the harder your system wedges
10:05 fabbione Kamion: i will test usplash as soon as i get my PB back
10:06 Kamion mdz: I've more or less stopped keeping up with my incoming bug folder, so I don't have an accurate idea, but my impression from dealing with the web UI is that the flow of duplicates is reducing and I'm starting to be able to find interesting problems again
10:06 mdz here's hoping
10:06 mdz Kamion: thanks
10:06 mdz sfllaw: next
10:06 sfllaw Done:
10:06 sfllaw * Absurd amounts of e-mail
10:06 sfllaw * Bug triage
10:06 sfllaw * Hug day
10:06 sfllaw * E-mailed about interns
10:06 sfllaw To do:
10:06 sfllaw * Bug triage
10:06 mdz sfllaw: was the bug day forwarding theme successful?
10:06 sfllaw mdz: Marginally so.
10:06 mdz sfllaw: how is the bug count?
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10:07 sfllaw Sorry for the delay. Ubuntu machine just died.
10:07 mdz I'd like to hear about the forwarding experiment in more detail sometime after the meeting, email is fine
10:08 mdz if that approach wasn't entirely successful, maybe we need to try others
10:08 sfllaw BugDays seem more like people do what they're comfortable with days.
10:08 sfllaw Maybe we want something targetted at a particular interest
10:08 sfllaw And then ask if people would like to forward stuff.
10:08 mdz sfllaw: do we still have a request pending for graphs of bug count data from LP?
10:09 sfllaw We have graphs. They're just not useful.
10:09 sfllaw They're on cricket.
10:09 sfllaw Raw numbers are better.
10:09 mdz right, the ones I saw were awfully uninteresting
10:09 mdz I thought we asked for adjustments
10:09 sfllaw We went down from 72 unforwarded bugs to 66.
10:09 seb128 a bug triager mailed the bugsquad list, he has worked on some plots for number of bugs, etc but he needs a place where he could place it ... do we have something like that?
10:09 sfllaw However, we did have lots of bugs closed, as is normal for a BugDay.
10:10 mdz seb128: supermirror? :-)
10:10 sfllaw seb128: He's doing that by sampling Malone, isn't he?
10:10 sfllaw Wouldn't getting the raw data out of the database be better?
10:10 iwj sfllaw: ITYM scraping.
10:10 seb128 sfllaw: I've not looked at what he's doing, he just wrote saying he needs "to use wget,
10:10 seb128 python and gnuplot, in addition to a server to serve the pages. Its
10:10 seb128 just a few pages, and the plots are not huge (like < 4K each)."
10:10 mdz sfllaw: let's continue with the weekly stats presented here then
10:11 sfllaw OK. Who controls the Malone DB?
10:11 seb128 sfllaw: could you give him a reply if you think it should be done differently so he doesn't waste time neither feel ignored?
10:11 mdz seb128: he can generate the graphs locally and upload to the supermirror
10:11 sfllaw Can we get them to run a cronjob there that spits out the right numbers?
10:11 fabbione sfllaw: #launchpad
10:11 sfllaw OK.
10:11 fabbione sfllaw: probably stub
10:11 sfllaw Will ask there.
10:11 mdz sfllaw: email the LP list asking for a DBA, I believe there's more than one
10:11 seb128 mdz: the point is that he has no "locally" connected to internet all the time
10:11 mdz or at least a backup, so best to ask the list
10:12 Mithrandir mdz: how can one store web-accessible files on the supermirror? Checking them into bzr, but can you get them out as a web page of some sorts?
10:12 mdz Mithrandir: you can just sftp things to the supermirror I think
10:13 mdz sfllaw: thanks
10:13 mdz kwwii: next
10:13 kwwii done:
10:13 kwwii changed from yellow-purple to blue-purple for knot3
10:13 kwwii worked on kubuntu banner, program guide, etc. for akademy
10:13 kwwii made first usplash version and got it running on my machine (thanks to Seveas for help making the theme and Kamion for getting it running on my machine so I can test it)
10:13 kwwii worked on several ideas for usplash animations
10:13 kwwii todo:
10:13 kwwii create wiki page with all updated/final artwork
10:13 kwwii finish usplash
10:13 kwwii finish tweaking any yellow-purple odds and ends
10:13 kwwii polish, polish, polish
10:13 mdz kwwii: how has the feedback been on your side?
10:13 kwwii mdz: very good actually
10:13 Keybuk kwwii: you'll go blind if you keep polishing it
10:13 kwwii the yellow-purple kinda freaked out a few people
10:14 kwwii wax on, wax off
10:14 mdz kwwii: probably a good idea to solicit it explicitly in the knot-3 announcement as we discussed with fschoep
10:14 kwwii mdz: there is a page ready with stuff for kubuntu
10:14 fschoep mdz: kwwii / Riddell did a good job for that on Knot 2 with screenshots and all
10:14 Kamion kwwii: paint the fence
10:14 kwwii https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu
10:14 mdz cool, thanks
10:14 mdz Riddell: next
10:15 Riddell done:
10:15 Riddell koffice 1.6 beta
10:15 Riddell KDE ubiquity up to date with GTK frontend
10:15 Riddell knot 3 testing
10:15 Riddell blocked: ruby on ppc
10:15 Riddell todo:
10:15 Riddell knot 3 release today
10:15 Riddell further KDE ubiquity changes now needed
10:15 Riddell bugfixes bugfixes
10:15 mdz Riddell: same ruby problem as last week?
10:15 mdz no change?
10:15 Riddell yes
10:16 Riddell it compiles for me, just not in the buildds
10:16 mdz grr
10:16 infinity 64-bit issue, like we once had tith mono?
10:16 infinity s/tith/with/
10:16 infinity And we appear to have with fpc (just stumbled on it today)
10:16 pitti Riddell: does it work/break on davis?
10:16 Riddell pitti: I've not tried
10:16 mdz Riddell: please do
10:16 Riddell oko
10:17 mdz thanks
10:17 mdz rodarvus: here?
10:17 rodarvus yes
10:17 rodarvus Done: (very short week, I'm sorry)
10:17 rodarvus - bug triage (mostly for video drivers)
10:17 rodarvus - X.Org driver bugfixing catchup for Knot 3, X.Org server fixes (mostly ready, waiting for main to be unfrozen)
10:17 rodarvus - Some (little) OLPC work
10:17 rodarvus To do:
10:17 rodarvus - more bug triage & bug fixing
10:17 rodarvus - write down OLPC plans to Wiki
10:18 mdz rodarvus: looking forward to testing that ATI bugfix
10:18 mdz rodarvus: let's catch up for a few minutes after the meeting
10:18 rodarvus mdz, sure, it will be uploaded in a few minutes
10:18 rodarvus *nods*
10:18 mdz we're already over time
10:18 mdz anything else before we adjourn?
10:18 mdz done
10:18 mdz thanks, all
10:18 zul mdz: can i bug you later?
10:18 pitti thanks everyone
10:18 sfllaw Night.
10:19 mdz zul: I'll be up for a bit
10:19 mvo thanks
10:19 zul mdz: i was thinking later today
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10:19 mdz zul: after I've slept then
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10:19 zul yep same here
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