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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Mar 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 19 Mar 23:00 UTC: IRC Operators | 20 Mar 18:00 UTC: Community Council | 21 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 22 Mar 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team 04:08 j1mc Seveas: thanks 04:08 Grey_Loki Is there a log of this MOTU meeting somewhere? I'd quite like to read up on what was said, assuming that it's the sound-related MOTU... 04:09 effie_jayx Grey_Loki, check #ubuntu-motu === Grey_Loki frowns 04:09 Grey_Loki Damn 04:09 Grey_Loki Masters Of The Universe? 04:09 effie_jayx Grey_Loki, aham === Grey_Loki sighs 04:09 effie_jayx Xubuntu meeting here :D ? 04:10 cellofellow yeah, I think. === nothlit_ [n=nothlit@pcd416055.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:10 cellofellow supposed to be 04:10 j1mc hey effie_jayx yeah . . . 04:10 j1mc we don't have many people here right now, but . . . any of you involved with documentation or artwork? 04:10 cellofellow not really. 04:10 j1mc effie_jayx: you? 04:11 effie_jayx j1mc, In spanish 04:11 j1mc ok 04:11 cellofellow sometimes I give jmak artwork tips. I support his ideas more than some of the other devs. 04:11 Seveas I fixed the xubuntu usplash theme, that's all art I do :) 04:11 cellofellow not that i'm a dev 04:11 effie_jayx j1mc, I ma interested in begining xubuntu docs in spanish... I currently manage a team of spanish documentation 04:11 j1mc well, i guess i can provide a brief update on docs . . . === Grey_Loki [n=Loki@212.49.210.38] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === TheSheep_ [i=sheep@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:12 j1mc unlike edgy, did provide some updates to our docs === j1mc welcomes TheSheep_ 04:12 j1mc the updates primarily were to make them current, and fix glaring errors but no major overhauls 04:13 TheSheep_ hello everyone 04:13 j1mc effie_jayx: do you know who you'd contact to help with translating them in spanish? 04:13 cellofellow I'm not exactly sure what is new in Feisty. New versions of all the bits and pieces as usual. 04:13 effie_jayx j1mc, I came here hopeful that Iwould network with someone doing some spanish doc 04:14 cellofellow I would if I knew a lick of spanish. :) 04:14 j1mc effie_jayx: ok, i'll see who i can put you in touch with. i know one of the main kubuntu doc people. 04:14 j1mc can you /msg me and send me your email address? 04:15 effie_jayx sure 04:15 j1mc TheSheep_: what have you been involved in? === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-149-82.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:16 cellofellow Welcome Centre? 04:17 j1mc cellofellow: do you know if that made it through? 04:17 cellofellow not sure. === dennda [n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:17 cellofellow TheSheep_: how is Welcome Centre going anyways? It's sort of like docs . :) 04:19 j1mc cellofellow: what have you been up to, other than providing good support on #xubuntu? :) 04:20 cellofellow Learning to program with Python. 04:20 cellofellow Adding some insights to xubuntu-devel mailing list. === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-202-49-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:22 j1mc although it wasn't listed as an agenda item, xubuntu ISO testing is getting better, with more community participation. 04:22 cellofellow I don't have a CD burner, and so I am limited to using QEMU. 04:22 cellofellow I can use QEMU to install on a normal hard drive and run from there. 04:23 highvoltage hey guys 04:23 cellofellow hi 04:23 j1mc ok, if you want, i can see if they have a specific spot to report QEMU tests 04:23 j1mc hi highvoltage 04:23 TheSheep_ j1mc: oh, sorry, mainly welcome centre, it's not doing very well 04:24 cellofellow I install using qemu, but then run in the normal box. 04:24 highvoltage hey j1mc and cellofellow 04:24 j1mc highvoltage: how are things with xubuntu packages in edubuntu? 04:24 j1mc TheSheep_: what needs help in welcome centre? just more manpower? what skills are required to work on it? 04:25 TheSheep_ j1mc: the program is more or less finished, we don't really have any content for it though 04:25 cellofellow highvoltage: do we NEED to compete with TuxLabs or can we just let them fill their niche? 04:25 j1mc in content, you mean docs? 04:26 cellofellow TheSheep_: where is the content wiki again? 04:26 TheSheep_ cellofellow: welcome.sheep.art.pl === BackwardsDown [n=niels@5351BB29.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:26 TheSheep_ cellofellow: we can move it to regular ubuntu wiki 04:26 TheSheep_ cellofellow: or anywhere else 04:26 highvoltage cellofellow: I don't think tuXlabs and Xubuntu ever competed 04:27 highvoltage cellofellow: I think tuxlab has done good in getting xubuntu out there, and getting it more wider testing 04:27 cellofellow TuxLabs is Edubuntu stuff with XFCE desktop. Designed for LTSP installations. 04:27 cellofellow so, why we need Edubuntu stuff in Xubuntu? 04:27 cellofellow tuxlabs does that. 04:27 highvoltage ah, I see === nothlit [n=nothlit@n219077184133.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:28 j1mc oh . . . pardon my comment, i was just going off of some notes from the last meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 04:28 j1mc (my comment about xubuntu packages in edubuntu) 04:28 highvoltage cellofellow: well, Edubuntu is going to use Xubuntu packages on the edubuntu-add-on disk, so there's not any additional load on the xubuntu team has to do in terms of education at the moment 04:29 cellofellow ok, so an XFCE-Edubuntu option disk? 04:29 highvoltage something like that, yes 04:29 highvoltage Edubuntu will install a gnome desktop, and there will also be an Edubuntu CD 2 disk 04:29 highvoltage that will contain Xfce for those who would like to implement it 04:30 cellofellow ok then. 04:30 highvoltage cellofellow: but if anyone would like to get more involved with xubuntu-edubuntu collaboration, I'd urge them to join #edubuntu too 04:30 highvoltage (and vice-versa) 04:31 j1mc highvoltage: sounds good. thanks for that tip. 04:31 cellofellow well, allright then. I might try that. I just installed Xubuntu on a computer that is mostly for younger kids. 04:31 j1mc i think both edubuntu and xubuntu struggle a bit with manpower, no? i know nixternal was asking for edubuntu doc help. 04:31 highvoltage j1mc: yes, both need help 04:32 j1mc if we can work together on some items, maybe we can pool resources. 04:32 highvoltage both have strong, small cores, but I think they are at a stage where both needs to expand 04:32 highvoltage j1mc: sounds very good 04:32 cellofellow I would think Canonical would put a lot of effort behind Edubuntu, because it's a more commercial-oriented version than the otehrs. === j1mc will look into edubuntu project. cellofellow i agree. esp because edubuntu is an official Canonical project. === j1mc thinks the welcome centre looks pretty great 04:34 highvoltage the demand for Xfce is *definitely* growing, imho, it's just a matter of time before Canonical will have to provide for Xfce as well 04:34 highvoltage especially on large LTSP deployments. 04:34 cellofellow I think the language is a bit too technical and needs to be lively and written for the lay-man or even the semi-technophibic. === j1mc *nods* 04:35 j1mc cellofellow: was the welcome centre intended to replace the "getting started guide"? 04:36 cellofellow It was supposed to pop up and "welcome" the user on first boot I believe. 04:37 TheSheep_ j1mc: it was supposed to have links to the most important parts of documentation 04:37 TheSheep_ j1mc: something like the windows' one 04:38 j1mc TheSheep_: ok, kind of like an introduction to the documentation - more concise 04:38 TheSheep_ j1mc: I'm not convinced it's needed, but it was fun to write :) === highvoltage thought that big parts of it was already written 04:38 j1mc :-) yeah 04:39 cellofellow I think the language in it should be bright and happy. It seems technical and concise right now. Not that concise is bad, you want it in serious docs, but in a Welcome! thing it should say the basics in a nice happy way. 04:39 TheSheep_ cellofellow: you are absolutely right 04:39 TheSheep_ cellofellow: some dialog would be nice too 04:39 highvoltage been a while since I've seen Adam on IRC, anyone been in contact with him? 04:39 cellofellow Dialog? how do you mean. 04:39 TheSheep_ cellofellow: unfortunately, most of it is just copied from the ubuntu docs or written by tech people 04:39 j1mc Adam? you mean maxamillion? 04:39 cellofellow I saw him yesterday. and on jabber too. 04:40 cellofellow he's offline ATM. 04:40 highvoltage j1mc: yep 04:40 j1mc was he heading up the welcome centre? 04:40 cellofellow I thought it was Radomir here. (If we are using real names. ;) ) 04:40 TheSheep_ cellofellow: dialog like in books, you know, also some narration and maybe even plot 04:41 highvoltage him and cody somersville, iirc 04:41 cellofellow Don't know about that. Perhaps so. 04:41 cellofellow Cody's been in the hospital or something. 04:41 highvoltage oh yes, indeed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter 04:41 j1mc cellofellow: yes. :( i hope he's ok. 04:42 cellofellow I think I can juice up the Welcome Centre if I find time. My family and I are going to England this week, will be gone for three. 04:43 cellofellow I currently have some Home LAN admin issues too. 04:44 j1mc i am not an expert, but it looks like the UI is off to a decent start. i would be willing to help write for the welcome centre. 04:44 j1mc sounds like we're looking at feisty+1 for this? 04:44 cellofellow Maybe 04:45 cellofellow (I think Feisty+1 should be Groovy Gazelle.) === j1mc thinks grande giraffe 04:45 cellofellow both cool. 04:45 j1mc hehe :) 04:45 highvoltage geeky gazelle 04:46 j1mc hehehe 04:46 cellofellow Grande Giraffe sounds big. Groovy Gazelle sounds cool and fast. === j1mc pings mark shuttleworth to ask which he prefers. ;-) 04:47 j1mc so . . . sounds like we need to get in touch with the welcome centre devs. 04:48 cellofellow hey, jmak is online 04:48 j1mc oh, cool... 04:48 cellofellow Gtalk, I just IM'd him. 04:48 j1mc thanks. === nothlit [n=nothlit@pcd555190.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:50 j1mc cellofellow: did he respond? 04:50 cellofellow not yet 04:50 cellofellow he must be busy. === Jmak [n=mak@h66-201-246-27.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:51 cellofellow *wave* 04:51 j1mc hello, Jmak! 04:51 Jmak Hi 04:52 j1mc howdy. thanks for stopping by. 04:52 Jmak What's going on 04:52 cellofellow Nothing really. Might we ask how the artwork is going? 04:52 j1mc so far we have briefly discussed documentation, working with edubuntu, and also spent some time talking about the welcome centre. 04:53 j1mc . . . so now would be a good time for artwork. :) 04:53 Jmak Everything is already done 04:53 j1mc i must say that the default wallpaper has grown on me. 04:53 Jmak How so? 04:54 j1mc at first i thought it was a bit too dark or rich, and i thought something glass-ier might look better, but now i like it. 04:54 j1mc just one person's opinion. 04:54 cellofellow Jmak: how about my face-browser-enabled login screen idea? 04:55 j1mc Jmak: there are some new icon sets available in the repos. have you given any of them a try? 04:55 Jmak What repos? 04:55 j1mc well, i'm not sure if they're "new" but they are new to being in the repos. 04:56 j1mc i'll check . . . 04:56 Jmak I am also working on an orange version of the tango 04:57 cellofellow Isn't that already? Tangerine? 04:57 Jmak Tangerein is too oragne 04:57 Jmak Mine is more brownish 04:58 Jmak And i also have an aluminium version 04:58 j1mc gnome-icon-theme-gartoon tangerine-icon-theme gnome-extra-icons gnome-humility-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-blankon gnome-icon-theme-dlg-neu gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2 gnome-icon-theme-nuovo gnome-icon-theme-suede 04:58 j1mc those are new to me from the repos, anyway. 04:59 j1mc i just did an "apt-cache search icon --names-only" 04:59 cellofellow perhaps we can provide overall "themes". You seem to like either Blue or Gray. I like green myself. 04:59 Jmak I know the nuovo and the neu, i check out the rest 04:59 Jmak Green icons? 04:59 j1mc Jmak: there are a few others, too. those are just what i picked out. 05:00 cellofellow never seen any, I just like green desktops. 05:00 Jmak Everythin is better than the blue tango 05:00 cellofellow someone must have packaged a bunch of icons for debian. 05:00 j1mc Jmak: i haven't done a thorough test, but using some of those as my icon set doesn't convert *all* of my icons to the selected settings. 05:01 cellofellow that means they aren't quite complete. 05:01 Jmak I like the green themes as well for feisty + === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:01 j1mc cellofellow: might it mean that xfce looks for icons to be in a specific file hierarchy, and that it doesn't always match up with gnome?? 05:02 Jmak Most icon sets are incomplate 05:02 cellofellow I do like the Gcezanne icons you linked to on the mailing lists once, and they work great for ROX, but not enough icons in the right places for full XFCE. 05:02 j1mc Jmak: do gnome and xfce use the same file tree structure to store icons? 05:02 cellofellow XFCE uses the Tango standard for icon locations, I think. right? 05:03 Jmak There is a nice Gcezanne one of my favorite too. 05:03 TheSheep_ xfce has some icons named differently -- there are symbolic links to amend that] === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:03 cellofellow can't we all just settle on the gnome or tango standard please? 05:03 j1mc welcome, PuMpErNiCkLe 05:03 PuMpErNiCkLe yo 05:04 TheSheep_ cellofellow: agreed :) 05:04 j1mc cellofellow: is that a rhetorical question? :) 05:04 Jmak Blue tango is very dull 05:04 cellofellow I thought Tango was more than just an iconset, it was also a icon tree standard wannabe. 05:04 cellofellow j1mc: sort of. === highvoltage quite likes blue tango === vinze [n=kvirc@ip4da1ded4.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:06 cellofellow I like Firefox themes that match or look like the native iconset. I can do that with Tango but not others. 05:06 vinze Hey 05:06 cellofellow Could we make a complementary Firefox theme too? 05:06 cellofellow perhaps not for Feisty, but next time. 05:07 Jmak There is a tango icon set for firefox 05:07 TheSheep_ better make firefox use the system icons and theem ;) === highvoltage agrees strongly with TheSheep_ 05:08 cellofellow Trouble is Firefox doesn't acces the system icons. 05:08 cellofellow you have to make a firefox theme addon. 05:08 highvoltage can't the theme contain symlinks to the system icons? 05:09 highvoltage (an add-on theme, that is) 05:09 cellofellow themes are sort of self-contained. 05:09 cellofellow the default firefox theme uses the system GTK colors, it just has its own icons. 05:10 PuMpErNiCkLe Also, they're not just icons - themes cover other aspects of the appearance, iirc. 05:10 cellofellow yeah, I think we're talking about icons right now. We settled on a murrina GTK theme right? 05:11 Jmak Great then we have to add the murrina configurator as well 05:11 Jmak That will be a big success 05:12 Jmak Everyone is going to like it 05:12 cellofellow is the Murrina engine package in the repos yet? 05:12 Jmak I think so 05:13 cellofellow not here in Edgy, I have to hunt it down on the web. 05:13 Jmak I find the author web site for you 05:14 PuMpErNiCkLe It's in the Feisty repos. 05:14 cellofellow I use it already, it's ok jmak. 05:15 vinze I'll be back in a sec 05:15 vinze Just testing Herd 5 :P 05:15 vinze There was en error burning it 05:15 _MMA_ Ubuntu Studio also uses murrine for its engine. We got it in. 05:16 cellofellow cool then 05:16 j1mc the murrine engine allows easy customization of the theme, right? 05:16 _MMA_ .51 is in. 05:16 j1mc of murrine-based themes. . . 05:17 _MMA_ With the configurator. 05:17 j1mc is the configurator in the repos? 05:17 Jmak Yes, you need the configurator 05:17 cellofellow haven't tried the configurator yet. 05:17 _MMA_ I havnt messed with that much myself. 05:17 _MMA_ I did ours by hand. 05:17 _MMA_ I dont think thats in the repos. 05:17 Jmak The confugurator is not in the repo you can get it from the authour website === j1mc answers his own question: no. :) === _MMA_ looks at the new queue. 05:18 Jmak Thsi is the author web site 05:18 Jmak http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/download.php 05:19 j1mc Jmak: do you think it would be a good idea to include the configurator for feisty+1? 05:19 gpocentek _MMA_: do we have Murrine themes in the repos 05:19 gpocentek ? 05:19 Jmak In feisty 05:19 _MMA_ gpocentek: I think there are a couple. 05:19 TheSheep_ none 05:20 _MMA_ Our art packages didnt make the freeze. :( 05:20 TheSheep_ there is OranSun in feisty 05:20 j1mc TheSheep_ is correct, we just have the engine. 05:20 TheSheep_ but I think it's in a separate repositorium 05:20 j1mc _MMA_ your art package? 05:20 _MMA_ j1mc: This is OT but all the Ubuntu Studio art. 05:21 _MMA_ We struggled a little with the packages. 05:21 j1mc _MMA_: :( 05:21 _MMA_ We'll host it on the site. 05:21 _MMA_ All the apps made it though. 05:21 j1mc well, any other art-related subjects for anyone? 05:22 j1mc any other topics? :) 05:23 j1mc anything that anyone would like to bring up? 05:23 TheSheep_ web site? 05:23 j1mc TheSheep_: yes? 05:23 TheSheep_ j1mc: actually, no, it's good :) 05:24 j1mc vincent has been helpful in providing updates about my ISO tests. :) to me, it meeds cody's criteria that it be clean, warm, and fuzzy. :) === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:25 j1mc anything else? 05:26 j1mc i will get a few notes up on the meeting wiki about our conversations here today. 05:26 j1mc anyone know how / if these meetings are logged? === j1mc didn't log anything from irssi. 05:27 TheSheep_ there is ubuntulog here... 05:28 j1mc !ubuntulog 05:28 j1mc TheSheep_: can you access it? or let me know how to? 05:29 TheSheep_ j1mc: no, no idea where it logs :/ 05:29 j1mc hehe ok. hmmm... 05:30 j1mc i see a link up at the top here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ 05:30 Seveas /msg ubotu logs 05:30 j1mc thanks, all. 05:30 Seveas :) 05:30 TheSheep_ http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ 05:30 TheSheep_ :) 05:31 cellofellow well, gtg 05:33 j1mc thanks, all
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