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[19:35]

Ecalix

*rolls eyes*

[19:35]

H264

[the bot is] a special retrofit for the wiki

[19:36]

H264

[19:36]

H264

bdmurray: you there?

[19:38]

H264

hmm

[19:38]

H264

well it's not like this first one would be eventful anyway

[19:39]

H264

I suppose we can start?

[19:39]

H264

who all is here?

[19:39]

edavis10

waves

[19:40]

Ecalix

me

[19:40]

H264

alright

[19:40]

Ecalix

calling nem... he's probably in a game atm

[19:41]

H264

lol, ok

[19:42]

Ecalix

no answer. must have cut out and gone home

[19:42]

H264

tgm4883_laptop: let's see your face

[19:42]

tgm4883_laptop

[19:43]

tgm4883_laptop

I wont say who, but somebody forgot to look at their calendar today

[19:43]

H264

heh

[19:43]

H264

probably a couple people

[19:44]

tgm4883_laptop

possible to email the day before?

[19:44]

H264

I just happened to be at my computer :P

[19:44]

H264

yeah... actually I was thinking about that last night

[19:44]

H264

but thinking about it does no good

[19:45]

tgm4883_laptop

heh, there is a guy on the forums who wants to replace his bios with uefi

[19:45]

H264

anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/Meetings/CurrentAgenda is all we have down to cover

[19:45]

H264

tonight

[19:45]

H264

and a couple others I have in mind

[19:45]

Ecalix

kk

[19:46]

tgm4883_laptop

ok

[19:46]

tgm4883_laptop

sounds good

[19:46]

H264

for upcoming events there is the software freedom day on the 15th apparently

[19:46]

tgm4883_laptop

they really should sell the aluminum case badges in the canonical store, I emailed them about it this morning

[19:46]

tgm4883_laptop

whoops, save that for later^

[19:47]

H264

heh, np

[19:47]

H264

and actually dshufelt has something big in mind I think

[19:47]

H264

for both Oregon and Washington

[19:48]

H264

does that sound like fun?

[19:49]

tgm4883_laptop

what does it entail?

[19:49]

H264

http://softwarefreedomday.org/

[19:49]

tgm4883_laptop

because if were loading every computer in the 2 states with ubuntu by force I think thats a bad idea

[19:49]

H264

lol, no not quite

[19:50]

H264

(that does sound like fun too though)

[19:50]

tgm4883_laptop

where would we hold it?

[19:50]

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aaronburt!n=aaron@71-215-152-208.ptld.qwest.net has joined #ubuntu-oregon

[19:51]

H264

aaronburt: hello

[19:51]

aaronburt

howdy.

[19:52]

aaronburt

is a little rusty on IRC

[19:52]

H264

aaronburt: we were just talking about software freedom day...

[19:53]

H264

next month... I think dan shufelt has an idea for scope and location

[19:53]

H264

lol, looks like it

[19:53]

H264

http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/northamerica/OR/Portland

[19:55]

H264

so it will be more of a installfest/information event

[19:57]

H264

is this something that we want to help out with?

[19:57]

tgm4883_laptop

sounds good

[19:57]

tgm4883_laptop

should we vote?

[19:58]

H264

sure

[19:59]

H264

edavis10: what do you think?

[19:59]

aaronburt

Interesting: Looks like my usual 3rd-Sunday Linux Clinic is the day after.

[19:59]

edavis10

sounds good to me, just need some details

[19:59]

tgm4883_laptop

seems like most of us are in the portland and surrounding areas

[19:59]

H264

yeah, dshufelt said he was going to try to make it... I could just email him asking for more information

[20:00]

H264

and email the ubuntu-oregon list

[20:00]

tgm4883_laptop

how long is the drive from tillamook to portland anyway?

[20:01]

H264

just over an hour

[20:01]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[20:01]

tgm4883_laptop

you take the 5?

[20:01]

H264

6

[20:01]

tgm4883_laptop

hmm

[20:01]

H264

then 26

[20:02]

H264

wait, the 5?

[20:02]

tgm4883_laptop

ok, apparently i had no idea where tillamook was

[20:02]

tgm4883_laptop

closes google maps

[20:02]

H264

heh

[20:03]

H264

aaronburt: I went to #orlug and asked about software freedom day, and was generally ignored, is that a kind of thing they would want to get involved with?

[20:04]

tgm4883_laptop

yea shoot dshufelt an email and see if we can get more info

[20:04]

H264

(I asked some time ago in the IRC channel)

[20:04]

aaronburt

H264: No idear. I'mmostly involved with PLUG, which is mostly mailing-list-based.

[20:05]

H264

aaronburt: ah, ok, I should sign up on the list and ask then :]

[20:05]

tgm4883_laptop

do we need to order some bulk ubuntu cd's?

[20:06]

aaronburt

Might take too long...

[20:06]

tgm4883_laptop

i guess your right

[20:07]

H264

if everybody burned a dozen or so then I think that would do

[20:07]

tgm4883_laptop

otherwise we could get some other merchandise too

[20:07]

tgm4883_laptop

I was looking at this https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=80&osCsid=137e10779e7ee3085922298cc90feaf5

[20:08]

H264

aaronburt: how many CD's could be given out at such an event?

[20:08]

aaronburt

Excellent. My Linux-Clinic buddy JJJ has been experimenting with making Ubuntu CDs with nice color slipcovers.

[20:08]

aaronburt

Um, well, we don't end up giving away many at the Clinics.

[20:08]

H264

heh, ok

[20:09]

aaronburt

Where's the SFD event and how much foot traffic might we get?

[20:09]

aaronburt

The Solar Expo is that weekend at the Convention Center, might be fertile ground.

[20:09]

H264

I'll have to ask dan shufelt who has the master plans

[20:10]

H264

ooo, hmm

[20:11]

H264

well, I will throw a few emails at him and will find out more

[20:11]

tgm4883_laptop

it's too bad we don't have more time, i'm thinking we would get some pretty nice pressed cd's for $47/20

[20:12]

tgm4883_laptop

or at least a few give away items

[20:12]

H264

tgm4883_laptop: I have really cool labels if you want a slick looking CD

[20:13]

tgm4883_laptop

is not a fan of labels

[20:13]

tgm4883_laptop

is not a fan of adding additional weight to any optical disk

[20:13]

H264

printable CDs

[20:14]

tgm4883_laptop

now that would look good too

[20:14]

H264

http://wneary.com/AllUbuntuLabels.tar.gz

[20:14]

tgm4883_laptop

whoa, large file

[20:14]

H264

aaronburt: you might like those labels too

[20:15]

tgm4883_laptop

my 9600 baud modem is getting pretty hot downloading that

[20:16]

H264

at any rate

[20:17]

H264

any other comments/questions/suggestions?

[20:18]

tgm4883_laptop

well we need more info on it, but it sounds like a good idea

[20:18]

aaronburt

Heh. How 'bout we burn some and I'll bring all my fancy printed ones? I have like 20 I ordered for the Clinic.

[20:18]

aaronburt

ANd heck, 7.10 might be out in 2 months...

[20:19]

tgm4883_laptop

do we usually just bring vanilla ubuntu or also kubuntu, edbuntu, etc?

[20:19]

H264

aaronburt: that would be great

[20:19]

aaronburt

Might be good to have a few of those, along with Xubuntu.

[20:20]

aaronburt

BTW, I'm doing a Linux Clinic this Sunday 1-5PM

[20:20]

tgm4883_laptop

just official ones? Ideally, I would like to bring a few copies of Mythbuntu to future events after 7.10 gets released

[20:21]

tgm4883_laptop

if we want to just do official though thats cool too

[20:21]

edavis10

aaronburt: for PLUG right?

[20:21]

aaronburt

Mythbuntu? Whazzat? </me googles> Kewl!

[20:21]

tgm4883_laptop

aaronburt, unfortunetly our webpage is down right now

[20:21]

H264

the software freedom day is next month, 7.10 is in two months

[20:21]

tgm4883_laptop

but its starting to look like a real solid product

[20:22]

aaronburt

edavis10: Yeah, Linux Clinic is hosted at Free Geek, by PLUG, for anyone.

[20:22]

tgm4883_laptop

H264 yea i know, i was meaning after SFD

[20:22]

H264

ah, ok

[20:22]

tgm4883_laptop

the website should be back up for alpha 4 by next thursday

[20:24]

aaronburt

Mythubuntu has a Wikipedia entry, so it MUST be real.

[20:24]

tgm4883_laptop

lol

[20:24]

tgm4883_laptop

IMO its pretty nice, a lot better than the other programs i have dealt with.

[20:24]

H264

aaronburt: when is your clinic thing? once? twice a month? *looks at the emails you sent me*

[20:24]

tgm4883_laptop

(and im not just saying that cause i work on it)

[20:24]

aaronburt

Once a month, 3rd Sunday, 1-5.

[20:25]

H264

aaronburt: alright, and how much help do you need?

[20:25]

H264

generally

[20:26]

Ecalix

btw... linux MCE is better.. although it uses mythtv site is http://www.linuxmce.org/

[20:26]

aaronburt

Generally, we have just the right amount of help.

[20:26]

Ecalix

and it runs on *buntu as well

[20:26]

tgm4883_laptop

eh, linuxMCE is a rip off of plutohome

[20:26]

tgm4883_laptop

and dont get me started on plutohome

[20:26]

Ecalix

linuxmce rocks!

[20:27]

tgm4883_laptop

with that being said, I hope linuxMCE does well, but it tries to accomplish a lot more than mythbuntu does

[20:27]

H264

aaronburt: ok, we'll have to send mobs over to you as often as possible

[20:27]

tgm4883_laptop

there are a few projects i watch

[20:28]

tgm4883_laptop

like UbuntuHomeServer

[20:28]

edavis10

aaronburt: I'll be there to help out this Sunday.

[20:28]

tgm4883_laptop

Ecalix, how is the mythtv setup on LinuxMCE?

[20:29]

Ecalix

linuxmce uses mythtv iirc

[20:29]

H264

anyway, anything else anyone wants to add to the linux clinic and/or software freedom day?

[20:29]

tgm4883_laptop

nope, just waiting for more info on it from dshufelt

[20:29]

H264

alright

[20:29]

Ecalix

same

[20:30]

tgm4883_laptop

moving on then?

[20:30]

H264

aaronburt: like I said in the email, I would join you but am too far away right now

[20:30]

H264

yeah

[20:30]

aaronburt

H264: YES! please send mobs. We love them, with pitchforks or without.

[20:30]

aaronburt

edavis10: excellent! We'll have cookies and coffee.

[20:31]

H264

aaronburt: I figured as much

[20:31]

H264

ooo, that is worth the hour dive... why didn't you say something before?

[20:31]

H264

heh... anyway

[20:31]

H264

moving on

[20:32]

H264

now the PNW art package is just a background picture competition to be in ubuntu CD's distributed in the pacific northwest

[20:32]

tgm4883_laptop

ok

[20:32]

H264

many will enter, few will win

[20:33]

tgm4883_laptop

no purchase nessassary

[20:33]

aaronburt

Kewl. I'm on the list, let us know what dshufelt sez about SFD.

[20:33]

tgm4883_laptop

void where prohibited

[20:33]

aaronburt

Heh.

[20:33]

H264

lol

[20:33]

H264

I think after removing the pictures in the current live CD, that leaves enough room for about 4 pictures

[20:34]

H264

3-6 depending on the picture

[20:34]

tgm4883_laptop

I think that, if we have the time (and a few good artists) we should make a PNW theme

[20:34]

tgm4883_laptop

but i'm ok with the background idea too

[20:35]

aaronburt

PNW theme sounds veddy nize.

[20:35]

aaronburt

I still miss the nekkid people, though.

[20:35]

H264

dan shufelt is going to award a gift $10 card to I think each winner...

[20:35]

tgm4883_laptop

not sure if it would fit on the CD, but with the PPA's opening soon, it shouldn't be too much of a problem

[20:35]

H264

for the art package

[20:35]

tgm4883_laptop

are there categories or just 1st, 2nd, 3rd place

[20:36]

H264

uhh, I think just each person?

[20:36]

H264

each picture that wins is just as much a winner as the next

[20:36]

tgm4883_laptop

ok

[20:37]

tgm4883_laptop

just wanted to know if there was categories

[20:38]

H264

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PNWTeam/projects/ArtPackage

[20:39]

H264

not much more information, but I think a vote will happen some time with in a couple months

[20:39]

tgm4883_laptop

sounds good

[20:39]

H264

it should probably be right after the 7.10 launch

[20:39]

tgm4883_laptop

do we have a prefered resolution?

[20:40]

tgm4883_laptop

10240X7680?

[20:40]

H264

I think what the default resolution is for the CD

[20:40]

H264

1600xsomething

[20:40]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[20:41]

tgm4883_laptop

I'm planning on 16x10 unless thats a problem

[20:41]

tgm4883_laptop

i suppose i could crop for 4x3

[20:41]

H264

my flower picture won't make it because it is only 1024x768

[20:41]

tgm4883_laptop

gutsy's pretty nice, widescreen OOB on my E1505

[20:41]

aaronburt

H264: Dang.

[20:41]

aaronburt

gotta go soon.

[20:42]

H264

aaronburt: ok

[20:42]

tgm4883_laptop

starts drawing a stick figure

[20:42]

H264

heh

[20:42]

aaronburt

see ya on the mailing list...

[20:43]

aaronburt

has quit Leaving

[20:43]

H264

anyway, anybody is welcome to enter some pictures for the package

[20:44]

H264

Ecalix, edavis10, tgm4883_laptop, do you have what it takes to be a winner?

[20:44]

H264

[20:44]

tgm4883_laptop

starts scanning the mona lisa

[20:44]

edavis10

I can tell the difference between green and red but thats about all....

[20:44]

tgm4883_laptop

uh yea

[20:45]

Ecalix

i dont do art...

[20:45]

edavis10

looks at his plain black background

[20:45]

tgm4883_laptop

i will try to put something nice together

[20:45]

H264

Ecalix: me neither, but I can take alright pictures...

[20:45]

H264

haha

[20:45]

tgm4883_laptop

starts planning trips to nice places in oregon

[20:45]

Ecalix

i even suck at that... got a 5mp cam and it shows how much i suck more than my cam phone

[20:46]

tgm4883_laptop

thats one thing im getting better at, digital camera pics

[20:46]

H264

Ecalix: heh, well, only if you want to

[20:46]

tgm4883_laptop

I have a few im proud of

[20:46]

H264

tgm4883_laptop: good, I need competition

[20:48]

tgm4883_laptop

well my gf has been bugging me to put together some pics from our trips this summer, so now I have another reason to do so

[20:48]

H264

great

[20:48]

H264

and a theme would be nice... but by that time compiz-fusion will be enabled by default...

[20:48]

tgm4883_laptop

yep, so it will have to be an emerald theme

[20:49]

tgm4883_laptop

or at least a login screen

[20:49]

tgm4883_laptop

and usplas

[20:49]

tgm4883_laptop

h

[20:49]

H264

still a little too far down the road to see ahead...

[20:49]

tgm4883_laptop

not running gutsy yet?

[20:49]

H264

no, I guess not...

[20:50]

tgm4883_laptop

i just installed it today on my laptop

[20:50]

H264

and?

[20:50]

tgm4883_laptop

works pretty good

[20:50]

Ecalix

its running on this system with out any issues

[20:50]

tgm4883_laptop

had a little trouble getting flash to work with the flash in the 64-bit repos, but nothing simple64 couldn't handle

[20:51]

Ecalix

found it better to remove the light version of compiz on it and install the full blown version of it

[20:51]

tgm4883_laptop

light ver?

[20:51]

Ecalix

yeah... the "desktop effects"

[20:52]

tgm4883_laptop

no effects, normal effects, and extra effects?

[20:52]

tgm4883_laptop

i just enabled normal effects and installed compizconfigmanager

[20:53]

Ecalix

thats probably all i needed to do then... the config manager that is

[20:53]

H264

isn't that what compiz-tray-icon is?

[20:53]

tgm4883_laptop

yea, im not sure what the normal and extra settings are, i like to fine tune

[20:53]

Ecalix

the extra is the extra non supported plugins

[20:53]

tgm4883_laptop

i think compiz-tray-icon opens compizconfigmanager

[20:54]

tgm4883_laptop

and turns compiz on and off quickly

[20:54]

H264

yeah, you can also set a few different things through it

[20:54]

H264

like number of desktop sides

[20:54]

tgm4883_laptop

is emerald still the themer for compiz?

[20:54]

H264

from a cube to a triangle

[20:55]

Ecalix

emerald is not that good

[20:55]

tgm4883_laptop

whats better then?

[20:55]

Ecalix

its just title bars... its better to just get a good theme you like

[20:55]

tgm4883_laptop

like the PNW theme?

[20:55]

H264

heh

[20:55]

Ecalix

like i use this one http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=45829

[20:56]

tgm4883_laptop

oh yea, i saw that one, nice

[20:56]

tgm4883_laptop

so your saying just run metacity themes?

[20:57]

Ecalix

well... gtk 2.x...

[20:57]

Ecalix

but yes, just use the default theme manager

[20:57]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[20:57]

tgm4883_laptop

i always got confused when trying to figure out what themes went wher

[20:58]

H264

yeah... I'll have to change this one I am using

[20:58]

H264

anyway

[20:58]

H264

anything else about the PNW art package?

[20:59]

H264

just email any pictures to me or dan shufelt

[20:59]

tgm4883_laptop

well

[20:59]

tgm4883_laptop

oh nm

[20:59]

H264

..?

[20:59]

tgm4883_laptop

we will have to see if I have time for a theme first

[21:00]

tgm4883_laptop

but if we could put those on a PPA it would be kinda neat

[21:00]

H264

I was not really talking about a full blown theme, but alright

[21:00]

H264

heh

[21:00]

tgm4883_laptop

well just the pictures though

[21:00]

tgm4883_laptop

those could go in a PPA

[21:00]

H264

PPA?

[21:01]

tgm4883_laptop

in case anyone wants to get our pictures

[21:01]

tgm4883_laptop

personal package archive

[21:01]

tgm4883_laptop

it's in beta right now

[21:01]

H264

ah, ok

[21:01]

H264

hmm

[21:01]

tgm4883_laptop

also, when we did install parties, it would be easier to grab it off the net

[21:02]

H264

yeah...

[21:02]

tgm4883_laptop

anyway, we can figure that out later

[21:02]

tgm4883_laptop

just something to think about

[21:02]

H264

Zelut has lots of bandwidth and is torrenting all the time

[21:03]

H264

might ask him to put a little something on his server so we could download it on occasion

[21:03]

tgm4883_laptop

right, but it may be easier to add and push new pictures and such out of a PPA

[21:03]

H264

ok

[21:04]

tgm4883_laptop

alright, next?

[21:04]

H264

yeah, next, sorry

[21:05]

H264

the library distribution is largely based off of the PNW one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PNWTeam/projects/LibraryDist

[21:06]

H264

I was thinking about simply starting with each library having a Ubuntu book or two and occasionally restocking the back of them with CD's

[21:06]

tgm4883_laptop

that sounds feasible

[21:07]

tgm4883_laptop

isn't there a new book coming out for gutsy?

[21:08]

H264

the second edition of the official Ubuntu book come out like a couple weeks ago...

[21:08]

H264

*came

[21:08]

tgm4883_laptop

sweet

[21:08]

H264

so no updates for a while for that...

[21:08]

H264

Lord_Dicranius and I glanced at the number of libraries in Oregon

[21:08]

tgm4883_laptop

we should probably pick a few

[21:09]

H264

there is about 200 of them...

[21:09]

tgm4883_laptop

start with 3 or 4?

[21:09]

H264

however many of them could already have Ubuntu books

[21:09]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[21:09]

tgm4883_laptop

good though

[21:09]

tgm4883_laptop

t

[21:10]

H264

edavis10: do you know if your local library has an Ubuntu book?

[21:10]

edavis10

let me check

[21:11]

tgm4883_laptop

looks like stayton and salem each have a copy

[21:11]

tgm4883_laptop

wait, whats the official book called

[21:11]

H264

I talked to my local library and they said that they would restock the back of the book with CD's if provided with some

[21:12]

edavis10

The official Ubuntu book

[21:12]

tgm4883_laptop

oh

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insert massive freenode split here

[21:23]

tgm4883_laptop

brb

[21:24]

H264

back

[21:25]

H264

sorry, had some family stuff to do

[21:25]

H264

[21:26]

tgm4883_laptop

back

[21:27]

H264

who all did I lose?

[21:27]

tgm4883_laptop

edavis10 is still here

[21:27]

tgm4883_laptop

looks like the net split fixed itself

[21:28]

H264

anyway, where were we?

[21:28]

tgm4883_laptop

um

[21:29]

tgm4883_laptop

getting new ubuntu books to some libraries

[21:29]

H264

oh yeah

[21:29]

tgm4883_laptop

now the ones that i found are from 2006, so those should be ok

[21:29]

H264

ok

[21:29]

tgm4883_laptop

also, both those libraries are in the chemeketa library network

[21:30]

H264

like I said, I talked to my local library and they said that they would restock the back of the book with CD's if provided with some

[21:30]

tgm4883_laptop

they weren't the official books, but the exerpts looked ok to me

[21:30]

H264

so if I burned 10 and gave them to the library, they would refill as necessary

[21:31]

H264

however libraries will probably vary regarding policy

[21:31]

tgm4883_laptop

im not sure if this book contains a cd

[21:32]

H264

you could always make a place for a CD

[21:32]

tgm4883_laptop

yep it does

[21:32]

tgm4883_laptop

had to look in a different area

[21:33]

tgm4883_laptop

heres a question though, should we put new cd's in (a la feisty) or should we put in cd's that the book originally contained

[21:34]

H264

I would think sweeping the libraries and replacing the CDs with up to date ones would be good

[21:34]

tgm4883_laptop

ok

[21:34]

H264

but then again, some of the things in the book will not be the some

[21:34]

H264

*same

[21:35]

tgm4883_laptop

maybe an insert saying that this is an updated version of the cd

[21:35]

H264

hmm

[21:36]

tgm4883_laptop

or introducing an updated book into the system (ie 1 or 2 updated books for the entire chemeketa library system)

[21:36]

H264

the other thing I was thinking for the library would be a DVD case with some information about getting help in oregon and some of the basics about Ubuntu use and installing from the CD

[21:37]

H264

hmm

[21:37]

H264

how would a new book be introduced?

[21:37]

tgm4883_laptop

not exactly sure, but thats a question for the librarian

[21:37]

H264

edavis10: you still with us?

[21:38]

tgm4883_laptop

i dont know how libraries decide to get new books or where they come from

[21:38]

H264

yeah... I think they have a pot to get as many books as they see fit, and a ranking order of books to get

[21:39]

tgm4883_laptop

in that case, if we start asking now, maybe in a few years the ubuntu book will be at the top of the list

[21:39]

H264

haha

[21:40]

tgm4883_laptop

it reminds me of that scene from the shawshank redemption

[21:40]

tgm4883_laptop

we just have to write a letter every week

[21:40]

H264

heh

[21:41]

tgm4883_laptop

also, if we did that, we may help influence them in getting the official book, rather than the one they have now

[21:41]

edavis10

I'm here

[21:41]

H264

I was talking to my local librarian, and he was saying that normally there is a person that is head of getting books for each kind of book... like non-fiction

[21:41]

tgm4883_laptop

so its settled then, edavis10 is going to drive to every library and give them copies of ubuntu

[21:42]

edavis10

k

[21:42]

H264

that would be the person to ask to talk to

[21:42]

edavis10

might help if I had a car

[21:42]

tgm4883_laptop

ok

[21:42]

H264

edavis10: I have a list of 200 that you can start with

[21:42]

tgm4883_laptop

nope, we're only providing you with a stick and a plastic bag

[21:43]

H264

edavis10: after that I have all the branches to cover

[21:43]

edavis10

[21:43]

tgm4883_laptop

good news though

[21:43]

tgm4883_laptop

we're going to throw in a fresh pair of socks

[21:44]

edavis10

thinks about switching to Debian

[21:44]

H264

edavis10: I'll let you use my bicycle

[21:44]

tgm4883_laptop

quickly emails some debian guys

[21:44]

H264

haha

[21:45]

tgm4883_laptop

i don't think libraries would have a problem receiving a free book either

[21:46]

tgm4883_laptop

as a test, we could introduce a book that way

[21:46]

tgm4883_laptop

whats it, about $25?

[21:46]

H264

I think amazon sells the official Ubuntu book for $30

[21:46]

edavis10

http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-2nd/dp/0132354136/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9211036-3411929?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187412373&sr=8-1

[21:46]

H264

$27

[21:47]

tgm4883_laptop

?

[21:47]

tgm4883_laptop

23.09

[21:47]

H264

ah, they changed the price then... good

[21:49]

H264

any other ideas for reaching libraries?

[21:50]

edavis10

Where I used to live the library would let community groups have simple events. Like the quilting groups, etc.

[21:50]

H264

hmm

[21:50]

tgm4883_laptop

nope, i think the book idea is a good idea. Perhaps maybe some fliers with upcoming install fests

[21:51]

H264

edavis10: actually, now that you mention it, I think there was something small like that at my library not too long ago

[21:53]

H264

hmm

[21:53]

H264

edavis10: what sort of event were you thinking?

[21:55]

edavis10

dunno, I just remember those things at my library got a lot of free promotion.

[21:55]

H264

hmm

[21:56]

edavis10

Q & A? Training about a topic?

[21:56]

edavis10

cookies and coffee and cds

[21:56]

tgm4883_laptop

c cubed

[21:57]

H264

and have the linux clinic over as well...

[21:57]

H264

sure sounds like fun to me

[21:58]

H264

we will have to look at some of the libraries to see what they could do

[22:00]

H264

alright

[22:00]

tgm4883_laptop

I just had a look in Summit (another group of libraries) and they have a couple different ubuntu books

[22:01]

H264

ok

[22:01]

tgm4883_laptop

mostly electronic books, but some hard copies

[22:02]

H264

we will have to gang up with one or two of the other oregon linux groups and see what we could do at a library sometime

[22:02]

tgm4883_laptop

agreed

[22:02]

H264

and look at policy and such...

[22:03]

tgm4883_laptop

well summit is the educational libraries, UO, UW, WOU are the ones i know

[22:03]

H264

ok

[22:03]

H264

colleges are good places to hold events too

[22:04]

H264

anyhoo

[22:04]

tgm4883_laptop

ok, so whats next?

[22:05]

H264

uhh, looks like we get to move on to other

[22:05]

H264

unless something else should be brought up about team projects

[22:06]

H264

nothing else?

[22:06]

tgm4883_laptop

nope, i think these are good

[22:06]

H264

very good

[22:07]

H264

now anodized aluminum oxide computer case badges

[22:07]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[22:07]

tgm4883_laptop

I have an email in to the canonical store waiting to hear back from them

[22:07]

tgm4883_laptop

currently can only get them off ebay

[22:08]

H264

really?

[22:08]

tgm4883_laptop

yep

[22:08]

H264

o.0

[22:08]

H264

they need high quality badges for their high quality OS

[22:09]

edavis10

Can't find them on ebay

[22:09]

H264

hmm, well I never looked...

[22:10]

H264

so... my question

[22:10]

H264

I put down 400 but said that number could vary

[22:10]

H264

the cost will be roughly $0.25 each

[22:11]

edavis10

I could use some. FreeGeek mentioned selling them in their store.

[22:11]

H264

could we sell 200 of them at $0.5 each?

[22:12]

H264

or 100 at $1 each?

[22:13]

edavis10

are we trying to raise money or awareness with them?

[22:13]

H264

no, I am trying to get my money back

[22:13]

tgm4883_laptop

isn't the cost roughly .40

[22:14]

tgm4883_laptop

USA

[22:14]

tgm4883_laptop

[22:14]

tgm4883_laptop

Cost + Delivery + 3% + $0.30

[22:14]

tgm4883_laptop

I can't find the ebay ones anymore,

[22:14]

H264

no, they got enough people to order 10,000 of them

[22:15]

tgm4883_laptop

but the guy had lots, and for all sorts ones, red hat, mepis, suse, I think i even saw a trustix

[22:15]

H264

which puts the price at $0.24 (and a tiny amount for shipping)

[22:15]

H264

hmm

[22:15]

H264

were they anodized aluminum?

[22:16]

tgm4883_laptop

i think so, it has been awhile since i looked at it

[22:16]

H264

ok

[22:16]

tgm4883_laptop

im trying to find the thread in the ubuntuforums

[22:16]

H264

how much did they go for?

[22:16]

edavis10

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam/Projects/AluminiumCaseBadges

[22:17]

edavis10

Can save 3% buy not using PayPal. ~$7 shipping

[22:18]

H264

so if we sell $100 worth we could give the rest away

[22:18]

H264

at install fests and such

[22:18]

H264

for each person that gets Ubuntu installed

[22:18]

tgm4883_laptop

they looked exactly like the massachusetts ones

[22:19]

H264

is that a good way to go about it?

[22:19]

H264

unles everybody on the team wants to plunk $10 or $15 to help me out with them

[22:19]

H264

and just give them away

[22:20]

H264

or other ideas?

[22:20]

tgm4883_laptop

wait, you know the windows vista capable stickers?

[22:20]

edavis10

H264: I can prob go in for 100 of them.

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insert internet connection droppage

[22:28]

H264

edavis10: if you want 100 of them then I could bump the order up 50

[22:29]

H264

I think we could we sell $10 worth to each LUG group...

[22:29]

H264

(or more)

[22:31]

edavis10

and if not, I will just have to buy more computers for them

[22:31]

H264

lol

[22:31]

tgm4883_laptop

how much did we say they were?

[22:31]

H264

$0.25 each at my cost

[22:32]

edavis10

I am really thinking about getting some to FreeGeek. Im pretty sure the systems they build use Feisty.

[22:32]

tgm4883_laptop

nice

[22:32]

H264

I'v never been there

[22:32]

edavis10

I will know more Wednesday'ish

[22:33]

H264

the only LUG thing I have really been to was at OSU

[22:33]

edavis10

PLUG?

[22:33]

H264

at an install fest

[22:33]

tgm4883_laptop

i'd kick in some money so we could give them away

[22:33]

H264

lol, ok

[22:34]

tgm4883_laptop

i wouldn't want people coming to learn about ubuntu then trying to charge them for a sticker

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insert dad deciding to install a USB card right _now_

[22:56]

H264

edavis10: are you still there?

[22:56]

edavis10

yes

[22:56]

H264

tgm4883_laptop: how about you?

[22:56]

H264

edavis10: what did I miss (again)

[22:57]

edavis10

what did you last see?

[22:57]

H264

uhh

[22:57]

H264

I said yeah

[22:57]

H264

<tgm4883_laptop> i wouldn't want people coming to learn about ubuntu then trying to charge them for a sticker

[22:57]

H264

<H264> yeah

[22:57]

edavis10

your yeah never came

[22:58]

edavis10

22:33 < tgm4883_laptop> you got to have some freebies

[22:58]

edavis10

22:33 < edavis10> I would fell best if they were given away, sold at cost, or given to a non-profit to sell for funding.

[22:58]

edavis10

22:35 < tgm4883_laptop> ideally, it would be best if we could get these from the canonical store, as I think they could get away with ordering a lot more and having ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu and keeping it around the same price for large orders

[22:58]

edavis10

22:37 < tgm4883_laptop> now all we need is the kevin mitnick business card

[22:58]

edavis10

then me asking what is next

[22:58]

H264

heh

[22:59]

edavis10

about time for me to unplug

[23:00]

H264

BTW this is a very disorganized not-the-way-things-should-go kind of meeting

[23:00]

H264

heh

[23:00]

H264

next is possible future meeting places

[23:00]

H264

you know...

[23:01]

H264

we could just meet at the linux clinic or something every month

[23:02]

edavis10

that sounds good. IRC is fine for planning/business type stuff also.

[23:03]

tgm4883_laptop

where is the linux clinic at again?

[23:03]

H264

free geek

[23:03]

tgm4883_laptop

same place every month?

[23:03]

edavis10

yes

[23:04]

H264

yeah

[23:04]

edavis10

http://www.pdxlinux.org but is 503 right now

[23:04]

edavis10

Sunday, August 19, at 1PM at Free Geek, 1731 SE 10th in Portland.

[23:04]

tgm4883_laptop

nice

[23:05]

edavis10

Mailing list for the General LUG - http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

[23:05]

tgm4883_laptop

where to park in portland

[23:05]

H264

for a few hours?

[23:05]

edavis10

1pm to 5pm I believe

[23:05]

H264

ok

[23:05]

edavis10

I think FreeGeek has some parking

[23:05]

H264

I was told like 3 times, I should know by now

[23:07]

edavis10

http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ - More lists including ride share

[23:07]

H264

in future months I would not likely be able to go there till abit later

[23:07]

H264

on sundays

[23:09]

edavis10

H264: email me about the badges if you hear anything about them. I can spend about $25 on them right now.

[23:09]

H264

edavis10: alright

[23:09]

edavis10

edavis10 at gmail dot com

[23:09]

H264

edavis10: I will likely just stick with the 400, I think 400 is about right for now

[23:09]

edavis10

night all

[23:09]

H264

there will likely be more

[23:10]

H264

edavis10: good night

[23:10]

H264

*sigh*

[23:10]

H264

I guess meetings can only get better

[23:11]

H264

tgm4883_laptop: there was one last thing I wanted to mention

[23:13]

tgm4883_laptop

yep

[23:13]

H264

that is that PNW is trying to become official...

[23:13]

H264

however things could get a little ugly

[23:13]

H264

because everybody else is state or city based teams

[23:13]

tgm4883_laptop

how so

[23:13]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[23:14]

tgm4883_laptop

i dont think it should be a problem

[23:14]

H264

and I honestly don't think anything would be gained over Washington and Oregon becoming official

[23:14]

tgm4883_laptop

as there loco teams as in localization

[23:15]

tgm4883_laptop

i suppose they could say it isn't local enough

[23:15]

tgm4883_laptop

but the size of the teams

[23:16]

H264

the idea is that they want everybody to be able to get together for events and such...

[23:16]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[23:16]

H264

PNW _is_ a little large for that

[23:16]

tgm4883_laptop

true

[23:16]

tgm4883_laptop

tough call i guess

[23:16]

H264

and again, I don't think much of anything is gained by having PNW becoming official

[23:17]

H264

as opposed to Oregon and Washington becoming official

[23:18]

tgm4883_laptop

if they have a problem with PNW becoming official, theres nothing saying two loco teams can't do stuff together

[23:18]

H264

right, that's the other thing

[23:19]

H264

and there is lots of talk both ways in the community council

[23:19]

H264

for and against

[23:19]

tgm4883_laptop

for and against working together?

[23:20]

H264

no, for and against having PNW become official

[23:20]

H264

*becoming

[23:20]

tgm4883_laptop

ah

[23:21]

H264

I think avoiding conflict is important, esp. when the work around is just as easy

[23:21]

tgm4883_laptop

yep

[23:22]

tgm4883_laptop

it would be nice to be official, and maybe we could argue that it really is the northern oregon/southern washington loco

[23:22]

tgm4883_laptop

size wise its about the same geographical area as oregon

[23:23]

H264

yeah

[23:24]

H264

if they want to allow PNW to become official, then great, but I don't think it should be pushed

[23:24]

tgm4883_laptop

yep, if they dont like PNW, i dont have a problem with them being seperate

[23:25]

H264

well, they do like PNW, but not it becoming official as much...

[23:25]

tgm4883_laptop

who decides?

[23:26]

H264

the community council, and some even higher officials

[23:26]

H264

mark shuttleworth threw a couple thoughts in the email list too

[23:27]

tgm4883_laptop

for or against?

[23:27]

H264

for

[23:27]

tgm4883_laptop

well thats good news

[23:28]

H264

heh, yeah

[23:28]

H264

I don't know... I'm just saying that as Oregon we should do our best and let the officials decide

[23:29]

tgm4883_laptop

yep, either way it only changes our name. We would still function the same

[23:29]

H264

yeah

[23:31]

H264

dan shufelt put a poll email list kind of thing, there was one person that said go for it all the way... I just put my thoughts up (basically what I just told you)

[23:32]

tgm4883_laptop

well im with you, its no biggie if we are not PNW officially

[23:32]

H264

I was going to ask the rest of the team but that faded down to be just you :/

[23:33]

tgm4883_laptop

sweet, that means that the vote is unanamous

[23:33]

H264

haha

[23:34]

H264

all of Oregon is apposed to conflict where avoidable, dan shufelt: don't push it, Oregon and hopefully Washington will do what they can if PNW goes either way

[23:35]

H264

[23:36]

H264

I'll likely bring this up later to everybody else

[23:36]

tgm4883_laptop

sounds good

[23:38]

H264

is there _anything_ else?

[23:38]

tgm4883_laptop

i dont think so

[23:39]

H264

hopefully the next meeting will be more stream lined

[23:39]

H264

with more people

[23:39]

tgm4883_laptop

yea

[23:39]

H264

heh

[23:39]

tgm4883_laptop

a reminder email would help

[23:40]

H264

yeah

[23:40]

H264

remind me to send a reminder email

[23:40]

tgm4883_laptop

ok

[23:40]

H264

heh

[23:40]

tgm4883_laptop

as long as you remind me to

[23:41]

H264

right

[23:41]

H264

I guess that calls it quits (some time ago)

[23:41]

H264

quit