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• Previous Actions
• Ubuntu Updates

LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates (balloons, 14:08:23)

• Other topics
• Power PC fail to build
• Testcase Admins Team sandbox and mailing list discussion

LINK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~sandra-farnedi-d/+reportedbugs (njin, 14:45:16)

Meeting ended at 14:52:36 UTC.

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• 14:00:37 <balloons> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Community

  14:00:37 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 19 14:00:37 2012 UTC. The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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  14:00:46 <balloons> alright, roll call time

  14:00:53 <balloons> i'll raise my own hand

  14:00:54 <smartboyhw> \o

  14:01:03 <phillw> \o

  14:01:06 <balloons> \o

  14:01:07 <smartboyhw> Who is on the namelist?

  14:02:08 <smartboyhw> Oh sorry:)

  14:02:29 <xnox> \o

  14:02:59 <balloons> alright, we shall dive into the agenda

  14:03:11 <smartboyhw>

  14:03:21 <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions 14:03:40 * balloons balloons to follow-up with ubuntu-qa website changes

  14:04:09 <balloons> I actually have news on this. We can change the theme in launchpad, and the admin will redploy

  14:04:10 <njin> \�

  14:04:21 <smartboyhw> Yeah

  14:04:32 <balloons> sadly I can't get the update I want for wordpress, but this will still work

  14:04:50 <balloons> It's on my to-do list, but volunteers are welcome to pitch in here

  14:05:03 <smartboyhw> wordpress?

  14:05:09 <balloons> need to be able to use lp and bzr.. the change is basic html

  14:05:13 <smartboyhw> I don´t understand balloons

  14:05:42 <balloons> smartboyhw, wordpress is a the engine running the site

  14:05:52 <smartboyhw> OK I get it

  14:05:57 <smartboyhw> phillw can do that I think

  14:05:59 * balloons balloons to fix regex on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings 14:06:05 * smartboyhw is not using any ubuntu system for now...

  14:06:12 <balloons> That's done, regex is all fixed up now

  14:06:21 <phillw> i saw, thanks

  14:06:26 <balloons> I believe that's it for previous actions

  14:06:28 <smartboyhw> Thx

  14:06:28 <balloons> anything else?

  14:07:12 <TheLordOfTime> \o

  14:07:14 <TheLordOfTime> (late attendance)

  14:07:24 <smartboyhw> That´s a lot of people today

  14:07:40 <balloons> ok, moving on to more exciting things

  14:07:51 <smartboyhw>

  14:07:52 <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates

  14:08:17 <balloons> the big excitement this week is the testcase work going on

  14:08:17 <smartboyhw> Is it that Beta 2 Freeze and DocumentationStringFreeze is tmr?

  14:08:23 <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates

  14:09:54 <balloons> the goal is to have the testcases for flavors and other leftover tests all pushed into the tracker this week

  14:10:08 <balloons> in support of the efforts, a new version of the tracker with some nice improvements is also landing

  14:10:59 <balloons> it will have collapsible testcases, date filtering for reports, and will allow us to use variables in our testcases to support multiple flavors better

  14:11:37 <balloons> beta2 testing will be next week, and as mentioned, the doc and string freeze along with beta2 freeze is happening tomorrow

  14:12:12 <balloons> I would expect the first candidate images this Friday/Monday for beta2 as usual

  14:12:37 <balloons> after the beta2 release, the RC (and testing!) comes quickly so get ready

  14:13:09 <balloons> Also, I sent some things to the list about new stuff landing in quantal

  14:13:46 <balloons> new dash's, new beta drivers for graphics and some other things.. read the archives if your interested in seeing what's still trickling in

  14:13:47 <balloons> any questions or further comments on what's going on in ubuntu?

  14:14:23 <smartboyhw> len-dt: \o

  14:14:27 <smartboyhw> Sorry

  14:14:39 <smartboyhw> I want to \o and accidentally pinged one of the Studio guys

  14:14:45 <smartboyhw> balloons: Have question

  14:14:50 <balloons> smartboyhw, go ahead

  14:15:14 <smartboyhw> Migration of legacy testcases to isotracker testcases

  14:16:06 <smartboyhw> Does that mean only changing words which are ¨Ubuntu¨ or ¨Xubuntu¨ to like ¨Ubuntu Studio¨?

  14:16:37 <smartboyhw> ..

  14:16:37 <balloons> smartboyhw, no you don't need to change the testcase for something so simple

  14:16:55 <smartboyhw> balloons: So what exactly does Migration of legacy testcases to isotracker testcases mean?

  14:16:58 <balloons> the new version of the tracker is allowing us to use a variable to replace the 'ubuntu' string

  14:17:22 <balloons> so what you can do is simply create a testsuite for ubuntu studio, and assign the needed testcases to it

  14:17:38 <balloons> let's take a look quickly as an example

  14:17:38 <smartboyhw> Ah that is easy, so I do it in the sandbox?

  14:18:00 <balloons> so ubuntu studio only releases dvd's

  14:18:05 <balloons> and there are 2 testcases

  14:18:06 <smartboyhw> Yes only

  14:18:12 <smartboyhw> Uh huh

  14:18:15 <balloons> you need to create a testsuite and add those 2 testcases to it

  14:18:26 <smartboyhw> In sandbox or real ISO tracker?

  14:18:34 <balloons> then I'll assign the testsuite to ubuntu studio and you'll be set

  14:18:45 <balloons> you'll need to do it on prod, obviously, once your ready 14:18:57 * smartboyhw now goes doing it

  14:19:07 <balloons> ok, anything else?

  14:19:32 <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics

  14:19:46 <balloons> Ok, we do have a few items to discuss under other topics

  14:20:07 <balloons> First up is the update-manager bug -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563

  14:20:08 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1046563 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager never appears on lubuntu precise" [Undecided,Confirmed]

  14:20:35 <balloons> I've seen the bug firsthand. We'll need to chat with michael voigt or someone else who understands the update-manager in more detail

  14:21:08 <phillw> thanks, it is an issue if peoplel are not getting things like security updates.

  14:21:14 <balloons> if anyone is familar with python, I don't think debugging it would be *that* hard.. I have played around with it before, but sadly I don't know any specific debugging techniques

  14:21:42 <balloons> phillw, ohh.. yes, look, it affects precise

  14:22:10 <balloons> I didn't realize that

  14:22:28 <phillw> yeah, after putting in 12.04.1 stuff on.

  14:22:28 <balloons> in that case, I would push it up through lubuntu channels to your security contacts if possible

  14:23:06 <phillw> Julien is on a well earned vacation, so we're a bit on the ground a.t.m.

  14:23:15 <phillw> *bit thin*

  14:23:23 <balloons> if we can confirm it's that serious and affecting precise, I'll work with your right after this to push it harder 14:23:34 * balloons thought it was a quantal bug

  14:23:46 <phillw> no such luck

  14:23:50 <balloons> [TOPIC] Power PC fail to build

  14:24:05 <bikefridaywalter> yay

  14:24:16 <smartboyhw> ...

  14:24:18 <phillw> o/

  14:24:20 <balloons> ok, so I've heard some success and some failure, but there certainly are some powerpc bugs affecting some lubuntu users

  14:24:23 <balloons> phillw, go ahead

  14:25:58 <phillw> Adam has spent quite some time herding bugs into some sort of reason so that they can be followed. As I only got that email about 6 hours ago, I've replied asking him to give some additional guidance to the L-QA ppc testers.

  14:26:23 <phillw> you will see his name crawling on the bugs.

  14:26:38 <phillw> (ojordan)

  14:27:07 <bikefridaywalter> of course with oversized images that makes for certain difficulties: (

  14:27:08 <balloons> yes, I too heard from Adam

  14:27:30 <balloons> on the oversized images issue, yea, it's common during the cycle

  14:27:41 <balloons> I simply use usb nowadays

  14:27:50 <balloons> I understand ppc is a bit trickier

  14:28:10 <phillw> bikefridaywalter: as I replied in the mailing list, the issue is discussed on the PPC-FAQ area. let me get the link for you.

  14:28:37 <phillw> bikefridaywalter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ

  14:28:59 <bikefridaywalter> it is very unreliable with openfirmware. i have tried for years to make it work right with no success

  14:29:13 <phillw> both how to shrink an iso, and how to get usb to work.

  14:30:09 <bikefridaywalter> the usb is not 100% with that or any process but ill try shrinking

  14:30:34 <phillw> bikefridaywalter: it is certainly worth a try, those were the suggestions from Adam.

  14:31:33 <phillw> I'll be sending an email to L-QA about the areas that Adam raised with me.

  14:31:46 <phillw> ..

  14:31:55 <balloons> thank you phillw and bikefridaywalter

  14:32:17 <balloons> [TOPIC] Testcase Admins Team sandbox and mailing list discussion

  14:32:32 <balloons> ok, smartboyhw requested we bring up the idea of another mailing list for the admin team

  14:32:59 <balloons> fyi for others; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins

  14:33:18 <phillw> o/

  14:33:44 <balloons> go ahead phillw

  14:35:24 <phillw> is the test case admin team expected to generate so much mail? I'd think something similar that is used my L-QA, where PPC has PPC in the subject line so those not interested don't need to read it and use our current QA mailing list so any one interested in test cases can see what & where we are upto.

  14:35:33 <phillw> s/my/by

  14:36:59 <balloons> phillw, I agree.. I'd really rather avoid specific mailing lists for things

  14:37:07 <smartboyhw> Agree!

  14:37:18 <balloons> njin, smartboyhw, elfy thoughts/

  14:37:32 <smartboyhw> \o

  14:38:00 <elfy> extra m/l seems a bit like just having a m/l so there's a m/l - I'd concur with phillw's thoughts

  14:38:11 <njin> balloons, we have a new hard tester, sandra farnedi is back

  14:39:09 <balloons> ok, sounds like we'll keep things as is.. If you need to get in touch, use the ubuntu-qa mailing list and consider putting a [testcase-admin] header in the subject line

  14:39:18 <smartboyhw> OK:)

  14:39:22 <smartboyhw> \o

  14:39:42 <balloons> ok, that's all we have for scheduled topics.. feel free to raise anything additional now

  14:39:58 <smartboyhw> \o

  14:40:02 <balloons> njin, go ahead -- who is this new tester

  14:40:05 <balloons> one sec smartboyhw

  14:40:10 <smartboyhw> Sorry

  14:42:18 <njin> She's sandra, https://launchpad.net/~sandra-farnedi-d

  14:43:07 <balloons> njin, excellent

  14:43:16 <balloons> I assume you'll get her up to speed

  14:43:21 <balloons> go ahead smartboyhw

  14:43:24 <njin> she was a teacher

  14:45:16 <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~sandra-farnedi-d/+reportedbugs

  14:45:52 <smartboyhw> OK my turn

  14:46:17 <smartboyhw> Been a bit worried in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates

  14:46:41 <smartboyhw> balloons: When is the deadline for distro specific testcases?

  14:47:04 <balloons> smartboyhw, no deadline.. just future work on that

  14:47:04 <smartboyhw> ..

  14:47:13 <balloons> it's up to the flavors if they want to do it at all

  14:47:25 <balloons> I don't drive your schedules

  14:48:27 <balloons> ok, anyone else have anything they wish to ask or bring up?

  14:48:34 <balloons> a question, comment, etc?

  14:49:23 <smartboyhw> balloons\o

  14:49:27 <smartboyhw> One more questino

  14:49:31 <smartboyhw> *question

  14:49:58 <balloons> go ahead smartboyhw

  14:50:14 <smartboyhw> Back in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates

  14:50:25 <smartboyhw> As I recall Mythbuntu is an LTS->LTS release.

  14:50:51 <smartboyhw> So balloons you may just go and delete the item for ISOTracker testcase for Mythbuntu in Beta 2 secion

  14:50:54 <smartboyhw> *section

  14:51:40 <smartboyhw> ..

  14:52:03 <balloons> thanks smartboyhw

  14:52:11 <smartboyhw> NP:)

  14:52:14 <balloons> ok, if no one has anything else, we're done for today

  14:52:20 <balloons> thanks for attending everyone!

  14:52:26 <balloons> and as always happy testing!

  14:52:36 <balloons> #endmeeting